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De-nazification, total surrender by the ukrainians. now the kremlin is saying there could be more limited options if ukraine accepts russian sovereigty over crimea, accepts russian sovereigty over donbas and promises never to join the eu or nato, they would stop the war immediately. the ukrainian government has said it is willing to dismiss and make compromises but it is a far cry from total annihilation and regime change. still some conditions the ukrainian government may not be willing to accede to. richard, thanks so much. joe and mika, the convoy we have been looking at for more than a week still sits somewhere outside of kyiv. as richard just said, the russian military is struggling ....
How precious freedom is and how abhorrent life is living under the menace of the russian armed forces, the russian secret police, et cetera. so throughout europe and i think mika has made this point. 1945, 39 to 45 was yesterday when the cities came down, when europe was destroyed from the ural mountains all the way to the channel, when the brits hung on by their eye teeth in 1940. those memories have resurfaced and almost this will treat ukraine now as if they re not ready to give my life. they were a factionalized, semi corrupt country two weeks ago. i think you make the point it is ....
Not weeks from now but sooner? mika, there are other weapons systems that go after aircraft. but can they get there? that s exactly the right question. now, going across the border is easier for ukrainians than it is for the russians to stop it. this russians don t know the territory. right. the russians are on foreign territory and they don t understand the back roads. so we have an advantage, the ukrainians have an valid, the pols have an advantages in that they know the back roads and how get across the rivers. and what surprised you 13, 14 days into the battle? here we are, day 13. people thought two days they would be in kyiv. the ukrainian resistance has been so strong, that s got to be the inspiration for the rest of the country, for the rest of the alliance. so that has been the major story here for 13 days. tom, how do we keep vladimir putin in the position where he s back on his heels through our ....
Countries. we have heard this morning that the refugees that have left the country is now 2 million. it doesn t count all of the idps, the internally displaced people that left their home. we heard from the lviv mayor 200,000 people are here. this train station, tens of thousands of people are going firsthand out. as we see the cease-fires possibly break down or scenes out of mariupol continue to get worse, i imagine the scenes here and the number of people leaving from the train station will just grow. mika. nbc s molly hunter. thank you very much for your reporting on the ground there. joining us now retired four stare army general barry mccaffrey, founding partner and washington correspondent julia ioffe and mark barnacle joins us, and white house bureau chief at politico , jonathan lemire, the host of way too early joins us. general, let s get your ....
Following that. mika, we are getting news from mariupol, the southeastern city we have been talking about under constant bombardment, a city around 450,000, the red cross says 200,000 are under desperate need for evacuation without electricity, water or food. our understanding at this hour there are eight trucks and buses headed into mariupol with basic supplies. they will hopefully pick up tens of thousands of people over the day if the cease-fire holds to head back out. that only gets them to kind of the center of the east of the country, not even close to the safety of the west where i am, mika. we are at the central train station in lviv. this is the destination for everyone who is trying to evacuate from the east. it is also the bouncing off point, the departure point of everyone trying to get into poland or the safety of other ....