an elderly couple was shot while they prayed and these specific stories are important to embed it in the minds of americans. >> he gave it in graphic detail and he defined it by saying that it wasn't a riot but a massacre. well, to define it as president and i think three things. one, he backed it up with us istance. we're going to deal with the white to black family wealth gap and he talked about how the infrastructure bill would deal with things. second thing i think that was important is that he is not one of the quote, liberal or radicals. here's what -- he's not a latte liberal. he's a small state guy saying this, and i think i was more effective to the country if it had been a more progressive branded type of politician and third, you know, i talked to him for a while. i have to -- cedric richard