the attorney-client realm. rudy said i wasn't acting as his attorney. so he can't say that the conversations with the president are privileged. or the work is privileged. and now it's like rudy is going down a cliff and he's reaching up and he's grabbing the entire state department. >> yeah. >> and dragging it down the cliff with him saying, if i'm going to fall, everybody's coming down with me. >> he definitely should get an award. >> that's the only explanation is that he's covering his rear end at that point. because i'm watching that thinking, do you think that's better that the state department -- that mike pompeo and the state department directed you to have private meetings with sa saturday lens ski's aide and madrid and other places? that's not better. it's incredible if the goes in the category of we're going to release this category of the phone call we made because that's going to help us.