appreciated. he was being involved in a domestic political er and and we were being involved in national security foreign policy, and those two things had just diverged. >> she's talking about eu ambassador gordon sondland, and setting aside something that a lot of women have latched onto when women show anger sometimes it's misinterpreted. she's also talking about a domestic political error and what everyone else was trying to do. >> that's a particularly interesting phrase and it's again, i think typical of fiona in that it has a slight edge to it. it distinctly separates what she was doing, national security, from what was going on between sondland, giuliani and others. and i think that is why that jumps out at everyone, because it encapsulates what was going on more articulately than anyone else. >> another high profile woman, another woman that you have profiled, and former ukrainian