matter of 30 seconds or so. seeing a device which was a hoax device and nobody knew it was a hoax device. at any moment he could have pulled that thing from their perspective. not knowing if it was a hoax device or not and killed every one of them. that didn't happen, thank god, but think of the mindset and what these police officers were trained for in approaching this individual who had a device strapped to him and what these civilians were not trained for. just enjoying their walk across the london bridge. attacking this individual, getting him to the ground despite the fact that he had this device strapped to his chest which turned out to be a hoax. >> well, you're absolutely right. and, you know, i think here in the united states we -- you know, we see these things or supposedly they're routine. because we have armed police officers everywhere. they know what to do with an individual with a knife. they shoot him or use a taser, but in a terrorist incident like