World. Especially for ted cruz, his unfavorables have doubled. But its the whole party thats taking a beating tonight. People dont like having their government held captive, dont like their economy being threatened and guess what. They now like the president S Health Care plan a lot more. It hurts the country too much to laugh, but lets face it, even the republicans are facing it tonight. They followed the wrong leader into the wilderness. They went off a cliff because a bugle boy out there blew charge into the nasty winds of reality. They got drew into a cause that no one can explain now. Did ted cruz only have one cause . Could it have been ted cruz . And is john boehner about to take back the banner of leadership . Can he . Will he . Before his party is drawn further into regret. And will he . Chuck todd, ed rendell, michael steele. There have been major developments in washington today with john boehner proposing now a sixweek debt ceiling increase. But the government would we main shut under his plan. And republicans are calling for negotiations now to work out a longer deal on the budget, on the debt, and then to reopen government after that. Republican leaders went to the white house today for a meeting with president obama late this afternoon. Just in the last half hour nbc news has released the results of the latest poll. It is devastating for republicans. When asked who do they blame for for the shutdown . 53 said the republicans in congress. 31 said the president. Meanwhile, 70 of americans say Congressional Republicans are putting their own political agenda ahead of whats good for the country. And when asked what they want the makeup of the next congress to look like, 39 said republicancontrolled while nearly 50 now say they want the democrats back in charge. Chuck, this is something. I get the sense this is an historic poll. It is. Look, theres no bones about it. The shutdown has been an unmitigated political disaster for the gop. Theres more numbers in here. Their negative rating of 53 in our poll is historic. They have never been that low in the nearly 25year history of this poll. Youve got the two numbers that you pointed out. Theyve got 22point advantage on getting the blame for the shutdown. The fact that even 40 of republicans, essentially the nontea Party Republicans and thats a whole separate story, there is a stark divide inside the Republican Party thats going to Start Playing itself out the longer this goes on. But when you even have 40 of those nontea Party Republicans say theyre putting politics ahead of the country. The president , his Approval Rating actually went up a couple of points. Hostility toward the Health Care Law has lessened. Everything that this shutdown was supposed to be about for republicans has boomeranged on them. Peter hart who has been around as a democratic pollster. Do they agree this is onesided fault line right now thats going in one direction . Both of them use the same phrase, chris, when they looked at these numbers. They said jaw dropping. Peter hart said in his 30, 40 years of polling, you only get this about four or five times in a lifetime. A poll that is so resounding, thats so moves in such a quick and fast way as these numbers did, that it was surprising to him. But they both offer a warning here. Its not a seesaw for the democrats in this poll. It is a basically big lead rock for the republicans. But it is not all transferring to the democrats. There is some. Theyre getting boosted a little bit on that generic ballot. But what you really have here is a public who is angry and fed up. They clearly believe the republicans are driving the country off a cliff right now with the shutdown hurting the economy. They feel terrible about the direction of the country. But peter hart would caution the democrats shouldnt be jumping up and down here because its creating a public that is really distrustful of washington to be able to solve problems. Last question, compared to watergate. Well, compared to watergate, thats the is it watergate levels . You might be talking about something about it. If this were a month out from the election. But were not a month out from the election. I got that. You got more than a year. Governor rendell, youve been through a lot of elections. Lets talk about this. One number that struck me, not just the tilt against republicans. The countrys really angry. You can hear it in the comedians voices, the public. Theyre ticked. 78 of the American People, four out of five, now believe this country is headed in the wrong direction. Ive never seen such unity of opinion that whatever is going on in d. C. Right now they dont like. And its solely driven by the politics, not by the economy or anything else. Solely driven by our inability to function as a government. And the republicans are bearing the brunt of this. Its not just the nbc poll. Gallup says 28 of people feel favorable of the Republican Party. Down from 30 last month. 62 unfavorable. Those are crushing numbers. Crushing numbers. Let me go back to michael. Youve had experience in the Republican Party. Youve led it in the past. It seems to me like its not about values. People do think the debt is too big. People do have questions about the new Health Care Law. All that is legitimate debate in a democracy. Thats what we do. We fight and argue. Its about tactics. I think ted cruz is recognized now as the bad guy. I think ted cruz said starting this summer lets use the debt, lets use the Government Shutdown as a tool, a weapon if you will, to screw health care or to kill the baby in its crib, if you will. And i dont think hes right. I dont think the people think hes right. They think he caused this mayhem. Your thoughts. I dont think id go that far. I dont think there was that much thought put into this to be honest. By him . By anybody. There was a political vacuum created with a lack of a strategy, a lack of a message, and a lack of a direction in leading the country through a conversation on obama care, number one, and now into this period where were trying to link this to debt ceiling. And ted cruz filled that void. He filled that vacuum with his own message and his own sense of where he thought the country should be heading on this. And he brought the party into it. There was very little resistance at first. There was a lot of the back room chatter that we hear. It didnt amount to too much. There was no concise, precise effort by the leadership to move this thing in a different direction. You had people talking about the fight do you think john boehner likes being called a vacuum . Because i think youre right. Im not calling but you said there was a vacuum there. Chris, you personalize it. Im not personalizing this to john boehner. Im saying the Republican Party as a whole left a vacuum in the conversation with respect to what it wanted to do. 40 votes on obama care was not a conversation with the American People. And now were up against a wall on the debt ceiling and we have that reality now trying to be into a conversation on the debt. So i just the poll numbers bear out that the country is pissed and theyre pissed at us. Weve got to do something with this going forward. If we dont, this gets worse. Let me go back to chuck on the numbers and how you analyze them objectively. Nbc poll is dead objective. Very strong nonpartisan over the years. 78 , chuck. It seems to me that that anger is going to find its way to somebody. Maybe not ted cruz although i think he will get a lot of it inside washington. I saw his numbers, his negatives in just the time weve heard of him in june have doubled. Hes climbing in the villain category. He is, but this really is the aim of congress. This 78 number, weve only hit that one other time and that was right after Lehman Brothers collapsed. The worst economic recession since the depression, we hit 78 . And this political crisis that has been caused on capitol hill by the tea Party Republicans has equalled that. We are in a political depression. A great political depression. Well said. Thats what these poll numbers are saying. So it is an angry public. And when you look at it inside, democrats are rallying around the president. Thats why his numbers went up. His numbers didnt go up amongst independents. But theyre really sour on the republicans and they really believe the republicans are the ones being politically that are playing politics here much more so than they believe the president is or congressional democrats. Thanks for that great report on the new poll just out today. Chuck todd, thank you. According to politico, Speaker Boehner told republicans this morning quote we cant fight on two fronts. Thats when he proposed raising the debt ceiling for six weeks. Lets watch him. What we want to do is to offer the president today the ability to move, a temporary increase in the debt ceiling, an agreement to go to conference on the budget, for his willingness to sit down and discuss with us a way to reopen the government. Well, he looks a little happier there. Jay carney responded cautiously. The president is happy cooler heads at least seem to be prevailing. In the house. Well see what House Republicans propose and pass. And consider it then. This afternoon after meeting with the president , harry reid was asked if the senate would vote on a debt dreelg extension without first reopening the government. Reid said not going to happen. Let me go to governor rendell. This is going to continue. This inability to think large and not go for the other guys below the belt. I mean, why didnt the republicans say, look, the country doesnt like debt. Nobody likes debt. They dont like deficit spending. Nobody likes it. Were going to do something about it. Instead they went after the baby. The one thing he will never give up on. They say screw you. To me thats not negotiating. I dont think. No, youre right, chris. And in fact, you can see theyve abandoned that. Theres no talk on the Health Care Act at all anymore. They should have fought on debt. And right now theyre taking the wrong strategy. The American People are more concerned on a daytoday basis with the debt limit. They dont understand the debt ceiling and they think the debt should stay low. But they do know the consequences of the Government Shutdown. What the republicans ought to do is say, okay, were going to reopen the government. Were going to raise the debt level for six weeks. And in that sixweek period were going to try to negotiate to do something that will in the longterm reduce the debt. That would get them back on solid ideological grounds and grounds that a lot of americans agree with. But theyve chosen again the wrong avenue. And theyre going to pay for it. Thank you, governor rendell. Thank you michael steele. Coming up, the man who led the republicans into this abyss, ted cruz. With each day he looks more and more like a roman candle. All noise and bright lights but burning out. And they funded the republican redistrict and gerrymandering and now they find they may not be able to slay the monster they created. Isnt it interesting how much of government republicans want to fund now that theyve shut it down . Head start, fund it. Veterans, fund it. Fund it, fund it. Fun new how much republicans like government now after theyre getting hurt for shutting it down. And let me finish tonight with how the last few weeks have given the American People a healthier appetite of politics. This is hardball, the place for politics. 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All that income tax and sales tax money getting poured into the black hole of newark. The biggest portion of our tax dollars goes to newark, new jersey. Notice that big black hole of newark. Lonegan also cited ted cruz among those he most admires. And sarah palins comment to campaign with him. The election is next wednesday. Well be right back. Acso 45 states and then District Of Columbia have voluntarily decided to raise the bar with consistent educational standards. Now, students in those states will have a better chance to succeed in college and careers and to compete in the global economy. Which means a Better Future for our students and our nation. Join exxonmobil in supporting the common core state standards. Lets solve this. Welcome back to hardball. Ive compared ted cruz to a lot of things and his political assent to me as most shown as a roman candle. Burning hot and short. But is the roman candle of texas already at risk of flaming out . Hes facing nasty winds from a lot of fellow republicans lately. Grover norquist originator of the pledge against raising taxes has described cruz as having fumbled the ball. Quote, i think it was very possible for us to delay the implementation of obama care for a year until cruz came and crashed and burned. Tom coburn of oklahoma gave cruz the i love him, but treatment on Laura Ingrahams radio show. I love ted cruz. I love the fact that hes got the p and vinegar in him to take on things. But i believe you ought to pick battles you can win rather than kill your troops going up the hill. Last week ron johnson called cruzs tactics to gut obama care intellectually dishonest. I think its appropriate that we ask people who led this defund ifeffort, which i would y in the end ended up being pretty intellectually dishonest. Because there was never a chance of that working. And if People Magazine is any indication, senator cruz is becoming better known although the magazine cover is of prince harry and his new girlfriend. But inside is a feature on senator ted cruz. Jim moore is a political analyst in texas who covered senator cruz. Joan walsh is an msnbc contributor and editor at large of salon. This guy, since june hes gotten better known and doubly hated. The more hes singled out as someone people dont approve of. Its fast. I think hes a roman candle. Up, all of excitement. And here it is the poll showing his unfavorables as i said. This guy is going nowhere. Whats your thought . I agree hes going nowhere. He brought together left and right. We all agree we dont like him. Thats one thing. I used to fear him as a 2016 contender and i dont so much anymore. I never thought he could win the presidency, but i thought he had a shot at the nomination. Ron johnson and tom coburn are both, they dont deserve a whole lot more credit. Because both of them are default deniers. They say they dont matter if we default. And they have voted with ted cruz. They havent voted on a clean cr. They voted it down. Harry reid has only passed that with democrats. So i think hes succeeded in pulling his party to the right even though personally hes destroyed his popularity. You know, jim, thanks for joining us. I want you to look inside this guy from closer range. Joe mccarthy who has a stylistic comparison to this guy failed because he didnt believe in the cause. It was just a way to create excitement about himself. Because he drank himself to death. And writers said if he believed in his cause, he wouldnt have destroyed himself. He would have fought. If he really believed in what he said he believed in. Whats ted cruz believe in . Well, i do think he is a constructionist. He thinks that the constitution is guiding his politics. And i wouldnt say that he has deeply held principles, but he is going in that direction. One thing that you have to say about him that is undeniable is he loves to be the center of attention. This is a charismatic man. He loves commanding a room. I dont think theres an underestimating that part of politics he enjoys. But he also wants to blow up things he doesnt believe in. I think the Attention Party is equally important to him. He seems to be a selfloathing republican. He doesnt like the parties. And at this luncheon last week members came outside and said he wouldnt even defend his colleagues from people further to the right. He doesnt have loyalty to the party. What is he loyal to then . Whats he believe in . Why is he republican . Well, i think he is, but only in the sense the tea Party Republicans are republicans. That people are borderline anarchists, that they dont believe the government has any real roll or function and then getting the hell out of the way. Thats what ted cruz is working for. He doesnt believe in taxation. He doesnt believe in the basic needs being provided in any way by the federal government. Were all in this on our own. And if he can effect that, he makes the tea party happy and himself happy. Again, i want to stress this thing about ted liking attention. Because this is very much a case of a guy who loves it and he thinks hes going to be the nominee for president in 2016 for the gop. One thing weve learned in this country and our selfgoverning democracy, there is that. The checks on power. And in this country, the demagoguery is not a good career plan. Its a great plan for a couple weeks or months, joan. It works. Like a roman candle. We all know it aint going to live long. The heat level this guys at. I dont think anybody left right or center can sustain his heat. Its in every direction. I want the attention right now. I want to destroy obama care. I want to bring down the government. I want to risk everything. How long can you pursue what do you do the next year after the first year like this . This is his first year. Whats the second act look like . Let me contradict myself briefly. I dont believe he could get the nomination, but he could. Because there is that foot of hatred in our country and our government. Far right people believe that they were pushed, they were sold a bill of goods, a moderate in mitt romney and this time is their time. 2016 is their turn. Hes popular in iowa. He really i dont think this is going to happen, but it could happen. Because he really is giving voice to a very nihilistic, very angry, antigovernment, out of touch sector of our society. And we dont know how destructive they are or how many of them there are, but they are the truth believers. He could go farther than we think just on that. Back to the mccarthy comparison and no comparisons are perfect. But it seemed like people didnt like mccarthy as much as they didnt like his enemies. They knew he had gone overboard, but they didnt like the enemies so much they were willing to put up with him . Does anybody love him or the fact that he hates obama . He does have people who love him. His supporters are very, very serious people. Especially here in texas. Theyre active and theyre determined. What do they believe . Whats that . What do they believe in . Well, basically what i just said to you previously. They think the governments too big. They think the government shouldnt do anything. But the caveat on this as always, we dont like the government until we need the government. Until we need the government to bail out wall street. Until we need the government to mess in a womans right to choose. When we have problems when agriculture, when we have droughts, when we have floods, when we have anything god made thats real and part of the history of this planet. It doesnt come occasionally, its somewhere all the time. The very prospect of living on this planet means theres going to be things that happen you need help with. Joan, ive learned were going to get to this in the rest of the show, but ive learned in the last couple of days how many the Republican Party when it comes down to it, loves the federal government. Whether its the monuments to world war ii, all the things theyve spent their careers voting against they now say they want back big time because theyre effected by the shutdown. What do they really believe about government . I only like when its there or not there or when i need it or what . I see in polls people like it, so ive got to position to like parts of it. Certain parts of it are easy to embrace. Then when theres a flood or a tornado or hurricane, people like it too. But, you know, you asked what these people believe in, i wanted to be mean and say secession. There are people who have been crusading against the government going that far back. Ted cruz told us he wanted more jesse helms in the senate. Lets go back to something short of secession. It seems the biggest fear ted cruz has of obama care, Affordable Care act which is law of the land is that it will be liked. He said that in january. Let me go back to jim moore. Thats amazing. He said his fear is that it would be like sugar, as he put it. People would become addicted to it. Thats a way of saying they support it. But he says addicted because it carries a reference there. Is that his real fear . That government is getting bigger in some cases because people want it to do certain things . Well, i believe, chris, that this is very much the specter of social security. A law that the right and the Republican Party, a lot of them did not want. Theres this fear now the democrats are going to give the country something the country believes in and uses. And the traffic on health. Gov is clear theres just an overwhelming interest in this idea. And if the voters, if the electorate gets used to this and its a value, they remember the party that gave it to them. And its a threat to the Republican Party. Its a threat to the far right which wants to dismantle programs of this nature. Thats what hes afraid of. And they will push the myth of the welfare cadillac on this just like other programs. What an amazing admission. I hope they dont get what they want because theyre like it and know where they got it. Well stated. Thank you. Up next, a way furloughed federal employees in washington can vent their frustrations in this very tough time. This is hardball, the place for politics. Im Tony Siragusa and im training guys who leak a little, to guard their manhood with new depend shields and guards. The discreet protection thats just for guys. Now, its your turn. Get my Training Tips at guardyourmanhood. 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How are you . Good to see you. What a regular guy, huh . Be sure to catch the tonight show tonight. Im going to be on to talk about my book about when politics well, i was in politics and it worked. Next, many young people are probably familiar with the concept of drunk dialing. For those who arent the phrase refers to the random and unfiltered phone calls people are prone to make while intoxicated. Well, with thousands of furloughed employees taking to local d. C. Bars, theres sure to be a lot of pent up anger directed at congress. Now theres a website that helps them let off some steam. Drunk Dial Congress connects your call with the office of a random member of congress so that you can give them a piece of your mind. Heres the message that plays before connecting frustrated callers to capitol hill. Hi. Is this Government Shutdown making you want to drink . Well, it sure makes me want to drink. And let me tell you. When i drink i like to tell people whats on my mind. So in a minute, were going to forward you to a member of the house of representatives and you can tell them whats on your mind and tell them to get back to work. Whatever you think of that, they have been transferring a thousand calls an hour. Up next, mad money is now fighting the Tea Party Monster it helped create. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. Clay. Mom . Come in here. Come in where . Welcome to my mom cave. Wow. Sit down. You need some campbells chunky soup before todays big game, new chunky cheeseburger. Mmm. I love cheeseburgers. I know you do. When did you get this place . When i negotiated your new contract, it was part of the deal. Cool. [ male announcer ] campbells chunky soup. It fills you up right. [ male announcer ] hall we do is go out to dinner. . Thats it . I mean, he picks up the tab every time, which is great. What . Hes using you. He probably has a Citi Thankyou card and gets 2x the points at restaurants. So hes just racking up points with me. 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Weve never been there, and i think anyone who suggests they know exactly what that means would be projecting after 224 years of the history of paying all of our bills what happens if we stop paying all of our bills. If Congress Fails to meet its responsibility, it could deeply damage financial markets, the ongoing economic recovery, and the jobs and savings of millions of americans. Welcome back to hardball. That was treasury secretary jack lew on capitol hill today taking on a recent scourge of default deniers that have emerged in the gop. These are republicans who are driven by the tea Party Obsession of destroying the president s standing. The republican threat of economic catastrophe has unnerved conservative business groups across the country. Including the powerful Koch Brothers and the u. S. Chamber of commerce. The irony here is that the gop busy lobby finds itself fighting against what it created. After the 2010 elections the chamber of commerce and others funneled millions of dollars into redistricting efforts around the country helping draw republican safe districts whose occupants are now far less vulnerable to challenges from more moderate republicans. Money talks. And already were seeing business groups funding new primary challengers to take on tea partiers like amash, jones. Thank you both for joining us. This happens in politics. We have groups that were once in bed together decide theyre not in bed in terms of the final interests. Nick, what happened here . It seems the logic is clear in what you point out in your reporting. That if you make it safe for republican, the only thing a republican risks is somebody to their right not necessarily someone to the middle. That is correct. After youve created these very safe districts, the tools you have which are advocacy, Campaign Dollars are less effective. Because they cant really be moves. The only real threat is from the right. But more importantly i think whats interesting and has been revealed is the business lobby which we think of as all powerful in washington actually doesnt have a lot of influence over this particular faction of tea party conservatives. The head of the National Federation of businesses, Small Business lobby said to me yesterday these guys dont care what i think. Thats astonishing when you think of how closely intertwined the Small Business world is with the gop. How many interests in common they have. What ive heard from people is for the business community, its been all carrot for a long time but no stick. Whats missing here is stick from the business guys. And what theyre saying now is its time for the stick. You know, kathleen, what always bugs me about political reporting because its boring to me is any time you hear people talking about an election a year off or two years off, they talk about who has how much money in the bank. Thats supposed to decide the election. Is it possible people on the hard right are getting small contributors to help them. In the primaries, theyre more interested in keeping those people than the fat cats who will help in general. Of course money helps. Its important, but its not everything. The most important thing is the candidate every time. And in these districts that are being challenged that are going to be primaried from the other side now, theyre not you know, some of those are it all depends on the district. Some of those are ultraconservative. It doesnt matter how much money you throw at them, theyre still going to put the incumbent back in office. The others that arent so hard right may face serious challenges. But it really comes down mostly to the candidate. It has everything to do with the district itself and the composition. Talk about mad money, look at this. Since the shutdown began not too many weeks ago, a week ago, business interests have released attacks. The chamber of commerce and 250 businesses warned the congress of a shutdown and default. 19 of the nations largest banks meet with president obama to discuss economic harms of shutdown. And then the wall street journal talk of the kamikaze strategy. Then october 6th the Washington Post reports business groups begin funding tea party challengers. Then the Koch Brothers send out a letter warning of the obama care tactics. And then the coalition of business lobbyists are revolting to the party. And then today the gop offering a clean sixweek exof debt limit. Theyre out there saying we had nothing to do with tying obama care to the Government Shutdown or to the debt when, in fact, we know theyve been fighting it like dogs to kill obama care any way they can. Whats the truth here . Well, thats an important distinction. The Koch Brothers and the political world around them, yes, they have funded or helped fund i should say, some groups that favor this strategy. But their own groups and they themselves do not think its the best strategy. Theyve actually been pretty consistent for awhile. I think the letter yesterday was an effort to say, look, we support getting rid of obama care. This is not our strategy. We dont agree with it. We have a better strategy. Didnt they support alec to go hard right on things like voter requirements, voter suppression, if you will . Yeah. They support all kinds of conservative causes. But the koch world strategy on obama care is stop people from enrolling it, warn them about rising insurance premiums, make the thing grind to a halt and then elect people who can overturn it. The strategy of doing it through this kind of brinksmanship is not one that some of the big funders support. Only 20 seconds here, kathleen. Honestly larger concerns perhaps on the world market than the grassroots. Hows the republicans reconcile both points of view . I think its over tactics and a lot of the republicans in the party had no intention of taking things to this point. I think at this stage, how do you get the tea party to sit down and play along with the more established, more conservative moderate parts of the party . And that has to do with will the president and Speaker Boehner and the other republican leaders, will they be able to come up with some little bit of cover that allows these republicans, these tea partiers to say, see. We did get something for all of our effort. The trick is to separate it so the president doesnt have to say he negotiated. But everyone is looking for the fig leaf. I think everybody is ready to accept it. The president will negotiate. Hes just not giving up his baby. And the people went after him to get the baby made a calculated error. They should have gone after debt and kept away from his legislative achievement which they have got to accept. Thats my view. Maybe not yours, but i love having you on the show. Thanks for joining us. Up next, for all their antigovernment talk, it seems republicans like a lot of things the government does. Like every one of them they like. Nih, monuments, all kinds of things. And this is hardball, the place for politics. Build character through quality. And earn the right to be called a classic. The lands end no iron dress shirt. Starting at 49 dollars. New polling in that hot governors race in virginia. Lets check the hardball score board. According to a new quinnipiac poll, mccauliffes lead over cuccinelli is growing. Well be right back. [ male announcer] surprise youre having triplets. [ babies crying ] surprise your house was built on an ancient burial ground. [ ghosts moaning ] surprise your car needs a new transmission. [ coyote howls ] how about no more surprises . Now you can get all the online Trading Tools you need without any surprise fees. Its not rocket science. Its just common sense. 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Nearly half a million federal workers right now remain furloughed without getting paid. National parks are closed and inadvertence may soon be without their benefits. But now the same republicans who shut down the government and often rail against it have decided that what some of government does just fine with them. Look at all the government they want to start paying for right now. The military, veterans, national parks, head start, women and children living in poverty, National Institutes of health, air travel, air travel safety, food safety. Imagine that, its rich irony, isnt it, coming from the party that hates government, wants to shrink and it constantly advocate for budget cuts to the same programs theyre now, like with crocodile tears, accusing the democrats of being against. Joining me right now is Jonathan Allen of politico and lynn winsted, cocreator of the daily show. Thank you both for joining us. Jonathan, does the raw gnaw of irony ever cross the bellies of these republicans, as these do these horrific claims of horror at the closing of a goth they never liked in the first place . I dont even know how to find the right metaphor for this. Its a hard one. Theres no shame in politics, chris, as you well know. Frequently, members of congress go out and rail against something, only to be supporting it in private or vice versa. This is no different here. Look, do i think the republicans really believe in funding veterans and Cancer Research and those things . Absolutely. But, you know, i think this is a little bit of a case of them, you know, of them making politics out of something that clearly the democrats support. You know, liz, there was a great line from reagan back in the old days, where she said im sorry, charlie wilson. Remember texas charlie wilson, Charlie Wilsons war, he said, i hope reagan doesnt come out against sex. Its interesting how these people get into these things and then, hey, this affects me. I never thought of this. This stuff im saying, this bs im spewing every night, hey, it has a reality to it. We do like the memorials, we do like the National Institutes of health, people do get cancer, they have to be dealt we need the research, we need meals on wheels, head start. These are good programs. And my people back home who say they hate government are pounding me for this shutdown. Well, it shouldnt surprise anybody that these people dont understand how the political system even works. Half of them dont even understand how a womans reproductive system works, if you look at the things they try to legislate on that front. So, i really think you hit it on the head, chris. They dont understand the stuff that they enjoy. And now its dawning on them that this might be a bad idea. Well, i think, is there going to be any Lesson Learned here, john . Or is this just one of those things that goes we have to keep two conflicting ideas at the same time. One, we hate government. Two, we dont hate government. Is this just going to pass two weeks from now, or im sorry, probably two months from now, around thanksgiving time, the republicans will go back to blowing their horns the against government, after having begged to have to come back. I think theyll go back to blowing their horns against government. Remember that the spending levels right now, democrats would argue, got important programs, including some of those republicans are saying right now, that they support so much and are accusing the democrats of not supporting by passing these pills on the house floor. The president , of course, has said its a bad idea to start taking a piecemeal approach to government. Republicans support what they call zero baseline budgeting, where you would create funding for each program, each year. Democrats think thats a losing proposition. Well, i dont understand why they would ever try to do it this way. So, again, i think it wont be long before you hear republicans bashing government again. Let me go back to liz. You know, they say they like defense, republicans tend to be, as a group, a bit more hawkish than democrats, but not in terms of supporting the military. Both parties are whatever they are, but theyre not particularly ideological about Veterans Benefits and things like that. But along come the republicans. It seems like they wrote that bill, shutting down the government, they wrote the exceptions. They never made the exceptions for what happens if you get killed in war, which is part of war. It happens. Its one of the statistical realities of war, which we all hate, but its there. And they never allowed for the fact that some of our good gis are risking their life for this country and its values, including democracy, arent going to make it back. And apparently according to the expert, the controller, they knew it when they did it that they were secluding the death benefits, the 100 k that goes to the family for travel and everything, they knew they were kissing goodbye to that and they did it. I dont get that part. I dont get, really, any of it, when they talk about that theres been no compromise. Because this clean cr they keep talking about is sequesterlevel cuts. And so, i feel like they dont know anything theyve cut. And they havent paid attention. And you have a whole bunch of people who try to fool the American People by saying, you know, the president hasnt compromised at all, when the cr they want to pass is practically as austere as the ryan budget itself. Liz, by the way, i get a chance to say this on the air. You writers ton daily show are geniuses, and the colbert report. I laugh my butt off listening to you guys. Thank you so much, liz, who knows whats funny and what isnt. And john allen who knows whats true. 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