Forces were fully organized and ready to make their kick. Why suddenly does it feel like shes in the drivers seat . Well, people are either positioning themselves already for a role in hillarys government or acting to lock in positions they have with either her or the few people she would give authority to hire for her. Why does it feel like the train has already left the station . What does this mean for the other side . If the republicans are also looking for jobs in 2016 and need to win to get those jobs, if they see her on the move already, does that mean theyre more likely to push a candidate who actually has a good chance of boxing her out for the center . Those people in the middle politically . In other words, new jersey governor chris christie. Does this help give him a leg up . Speaking of boxing out, is that what the earlier than expected coming of hillary is doing to president obama . Hes still in the inaugural term of his second term. Is he getting brushed aside from the rush for jobs and connections to a president who has yet to take office and might Never Take Office . Who is to blame for all the hilary action right now . A foo feisty crowd pushing her . A media, okay, im part of it, looking hungry for the next big story or is it the president in the oval office . Is the reason hillarys getting all this attention, the reason the former secretary of state is getting the big buildup because the man in the white house and the fire and excitement for action with three years to get things done is so dimly lit right now . The Washington PostChris Cillizza is an msnbc political analyst and amy davidson is Senior Editor for the beautiful, well written, new yorker magazine. I want to start with chris. Great column in the post, the Washington Post about sort of the oil and water aspect of whats his name, rand paul whos name ill learn to say more quickly and chris christie. They dont have nothing in common. Its like that movie the candidate. We aint got nothing in common. Lets talk about the dems. Sure. The Democratic Party used to be the party where all the fight was. There was a fight between left and right civil rights, anticivil rights, the old seggies hanging in there. Now it seems to be a party of sort of a general agreement. Sort of the same party. But i noticed something over the weekend. The slow, what do you call it, the thing where you change color to meet the background, the fitting in thing of the animal. Chameleon. The chameleon party seems to be changing color to a hillary background rather than an obama background. I know you are reporting on the phone all day must be hearing this. Well, you know, what you hit on in the intro, chris, is right, which is i will say i am struck by how aggressive and how public she herself is being with this series of speeches. Shes given one, going to give two more on sort of big topics, voting rights, Foreign Policy. Talk about national security. Theres no way to interpret those kind of speeches except that laying the groundwork for 2016. Ill add one other quick thing to it which is the ready for Hillary Super pac, the extent to which real clinton hands, im not talking about sort of lower level operatives, herald ickes, huge fundraisers, huge factor in the clinton world, he is affiliated with it. Some of the obama folks, jeremy bird and Mitch Stewart very involved in the obama Field Organization are affiliated with it. I guarantee you if Hillary Clinton or someone in her world said to harold ickes dont get involved with this right now, its going to spur this thing out of control, we dont want it to start yet, harold would not be involved yet. So theres both youre so right. People are so talking, the old joke is are they measuring the drapes. Lets be more practical. Theyre all talking about who should be chief of staff. I was pushing ed rendell. Theyre already doing the deck chairs. This is 2013. Its the first year of obamas second term and theyre already talking about hillary and who is going to do what. Are we ahead of schedule on purpose or is this sheer accident . Have they blown it by getting out too fast or is it just smart to keep biden out of the race . I dont think its an accident. You have to look at where shes coming from. She came from a highly visible role as secretary of state. Im not sure she knows how not to be visible at this stage in her life after all of the places shes been and the way shes been doing it. Whats really interesting in terms of obamas visibility is that even as her secretary of stateship seems more and more now about having been about her and about her stature and less and less about really crystallizing an obama agenda, and so now his Foreign Policy fields really a little vacant, especially in the face of the crisis in egypt and the nsa. I think john kerry is doing a hell of a job bringing together the middle east because hillary hadnt done that. In all fairness to him, hes done what she hadnt yet done. Thats the fact. Its true. Look at her luck in a way. She left the secretary of stateship before she had to deal with questions like Edward Snowdens passport or the crisis in egypt. Now it really can be about her and about her candidacy. The New York Times, amy, now has a reporter, a desk editor whose entire job at the New York Times cillizza back to you, your competition is in the New York Times, theres an editor, this woman has been assigned the job of hillary editor. Thats how close its gotten. Look, chris, people always say to me, because i write a lot about this stuff unapologetically so, people always say its too early. If you think that no one who is thinking about running for president makes their decision till after the 2014 election, youre just wrong. Rand paul, ted cruz, marco rubio, scott walker, you know, thats martin omalley. Joe biden. Theres a story in the wall street journal today joe biden says he might run regardless. This is a huge process. I compare it to an iceberg. The little part that people see above the water, the average voter seize above the water, theres a giant formation below water thats all of the stuff were talking about now. So look, you cover it if theres news. I think there is news there. She is acting in political ways on a political landscape. I think we all need to write about that. Amy, whats the first year you can run for class president . Is it high school, freshman year . These guys and women show their hand that day, 13 years old. Hillary clinton was the star of her graduating class at wellesley. No doubt about it from the beginning before she met this guy named bill from arkansas she had her eye on the prize. This is something that comes with the territory. Usually the guys but here we have a woman. By the way, i think the Womans Movement behind hillary is bigger than her. I think the reason she will run and maybe win is the power of women my age who want her to be president. Its an overwhelming power base that has little or nothing to do with the tactics of her race. Your thoughts . I think theres definitely that. You also look at the other reasons shes been in the news and her campaign in the news. One of them in new york is Anthony Weiner and the fact that somebody on her staff, huma abedin, her husband and gets asked about her job might be on the campaign. There are slightly random factors that made it sort of a complicated question for women as well as because it brings up the whole question of the clinton marriage and the choices that shes made. So theres that, too. Im not sure that its for women of every age its overwhelmingly unambiguously exciting to have hillary be the standard bearer for that. But ill talk about women my age ive had to deal with like close to home. I got to tell you that hillary has done so much in her career that i think that overwhelms everything else. Today on morning joe, chuck todd said there have been unintended consequences of the big Hillary Clinton push and becoming so visible. We have also joining him is former White House Press secretary robert gibbs who made a similar point on meet the press yesterday. Theres lame duck status happens to any second term president in two phases. One is in washington and the ongoing back and forth with congress at some point, you sort of run out of political capital. The president is running up against the clock on that over the next year. But then the second phase, of course, is are you a leader of your own party . At some point, the outgoing president is no longer, you know, sort of is a leader at large but is no longer the rallying point. And if youre barack obama, you want that to start as late as you possibly can. Nobodys saying this is what Hillary Clintons trying to do or anything like that, but this is an unintended consequence and its going to make it harder for barack obama to stay leader to sort of be able to marshal resources. I completely agree with chuck. I as a strategist am fairly floored she has decided to enter the public fray so quickly. Wow. What do you make of that, amy . Well, its interesting because, you know, we were at a stage where we were going from bush to clinton to bush and then suddenly were back at a clinton. It does have the effect of making the Obama Presidency seem what republicans in one way always hoped it was, an interlude. And it sort of makes it seem like a historical detour. Now were back to the story we already know. And there are advantages to that for her. But there is the sense, chuck is totally right of feeling a little tired and a little early. I get the feeling the president s become reactive. I mean, i was once warned dont be reactive, amy. Stay with you. This idea of spending your life reactively, he gets a bad headline in the New York Times about the Egyptian Military going well beyond what they should have done. And all of a sudden he has a press conference the next day. A reaction to editorial writing. Thats dangerous when a president begins to be not a case of himself doing what he wants to do, why he was elected to be there, but simply reacting to events. That doesnt look strong. It looks to me mechanical. Whatever you would say about the clintons, theyre not just reactive. Protean is a word that was always used about bill clinton. That way of disrupting and changing and setting agenda and tell a new story is something that they have been able to do and that maybe theyre distracting obama from really figuring out his own way of doing now. You bet, chris, i know you dont bet, broder, one of our great grandfathers told you not to do this because he never predicted either and he was the greatest. Why do you think joe biden might, this is the way im phrasing it, why would he might take on hillary for the nomination fight . If it came to that, knowing hes facing her . I think its simple. He would like to be the president of the United States. I tell people the best indicator whether someone will run or not is have they run before. Hes run twice, 87, 88, and 2008. I think he sees he is adds close to the job as anyone. He sees and believes in his heart of hearts hes the best person to do the job. My guess, though, chris, is that this is i think that joe biden might do it regardless is much more about if hillary doesnt run. I know the speculation is if she run, he might run too. I think the trip hes going to make to iowa next month to be at the tom harkin steak fry is about saying martin omalley, elizabeth warren, all the other people out there if hillary doesnt run, im the top dog if shes not in this race and im in this race if shes not in. I cant see him ultimately running against hilary in what would amount to basically a one v. One. I dont think any other serious candidate the way you described it because they run before is a sign theyll run again its like where you find a baseball manager in the major leagues . Look for somebody fired in the last three or four years. Great to to have you on, amy. Great magazine, by the way. Coming up, stop and frisk. A judge has limited it dramatically and many have criticized it. Tonight well hear from someone who says that the policy if done right is saving lives. In fact, its saving the lives of those in tough neighborhoods. Hes got the numbers, he says, to prove it. Also, a lot of people say the United States should boycott the winter Olympic Games in russia this winter because of russias new antigay laws. Olympic gold medal winner Greg Louganis joins us tonight to say thats not his suggestion. But next, its been 50 years since Martin Luther king jr. s i have a dream speech and nearly that long since the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and now the butler a movie based on the man who worked in the white house for eight president s. I saw it last night. It is quite a movie. Cuba gooding pops out so wonderfully is joining us live. And our new time slot, our new viewing habits. You and i together. This is hardball, the place for politics. San diego mayor bob filner was due to return to city hall today but he didnt show up. Some City Residents in san diego are taking steps to make sure he goes for good. Goes away. Yesterday was the first day for recall supporters to collect signatures. They have to collect more than 100,000 in 39 days to move ahead with the recall. Antifilner protests you can see them picketing outside city hall. So far 16 women have come forward to accuse filner of sexual harassment. Well be right back after this. G good around turn around barry i finally found the right snack welcome back to hardball. Next week, obviously, marks the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. A seminal event in the Civil Rights Movement, one of the most famous speeches in u. S. History, Martin Luther kings i have a dream speech which i think is the second best speech ever given in this country right up there with lincolns second inaugural. This weeks starts with a dramatic remind her confident arc of racial relations in this country with lee daniels the butler which debuted at number one in the box office, made 25 million inspired by the life of an africanamerican white house butler who served from harry truman to Ronald Reagan over 34 years, spanning some of the most important years of the Civil Rights Movement, starting with the federal troops going into little rock in the 50s. The starring roll in the butler is played by Forest Whitaker and cuba gooding. He plays his coworker in the white house. In this clip, he welcome heres cuba goodings character welcoming the new kid on the block, Forest Whitaker to the back rooms of the white house. There he is. Heard you were coming. Whats your name . Cecil gaines. Im carter wilson, the head butler. Dont worry about big mo behind you. This brother in the mirror over here is james holloway, hes my second in command. Why dont you shake the mans hand first before you start asking difficult questions. I want to know where the mans coming from. He give you the tour yet . He did. I might be able to answer that question if carter will stop running his nasty mouth. That was Lenny Kravitz at the basin. Joining me right now is Academy Award winning actor cuba gooding, jr. , and director lee daniels. You did it. Last night i saw it in d. C. You got one customer and when i start selling a movie, i never stop. What i loved about it was the education. Are you guys having a conversation without me . Let me in on this. First off, thank you for all the wonderful things you said about the movie. We love to you death anyway. I couldnt hear a thing. He couldnt hear a thing. His ear piece so i was saying it to him. Hes repeating what youre saying. Im helen keller right now. Heres the story. What i came away from not just the sweetness of the characters, you popped, cuba. You popped out of that room from that first scene. Every once in an while, im getting down with Forest Whitakers character because hes like job. Like an Old Testament character. How much more crap can he take . In history from his kids, from his wife whos cheating on him . How much can he take and he keeps taking it. You have this effervescence and youre enjoying who you are and helping the kid out when hes in trouble secretly from the old man, giving him money but saying give me the money back. It was just a great, snappy character. I want to go back to lee on this question. Tell me about your character, what it meant to you to play in the white house as a butler behind the scenes but yet a man on top of things . It was great because with this particular story, its easy to make these butlers seem one dimensional and without emotion and life. Almost like dehumanize them. They had to be in a room and be invisible in the room. So Lenny Kravitz and i had a real opportunity to be behind the scenes and just let our hair down, so to speak and to get you know, forests butler to laugh and just experience life. Particularly in those scenes in the house, it was just an opportunity. I mean lee was throwing stuff. Threw a parrot at us during one scene. Had me doing the james brown and all that, just to show that these were human people so that the audience could connect with them. Lee, i dont know if you thought about this. Im a movie nut going back to the 20s movies. John ford might haves. Movies. Can you hear me . No, he cant hear you. Maybe you can translate here. Heres what i want to know. I can hear you. Black history. This move i reeks of black history. Its a little like forrest gump because the son is playing in selma, hes a black panther, hes everybody, hes everywhere. But the thing that hit me was, black folk in this country, africanamericans not people from the caribbean or mixed background like the president , your history in this country is so deep and goes so far back to the beginnings of the colonization of this country. Youve seen all the white people performance, youve seen all of us just like youve seen all the president s. Its a sweeping look at how blacks are the real deep down americans. Your history is American History. And thats what grabbed me about that movie last night. Thank you. I did it originally, i did the film originally because to me its a father and son love story. And what i found out that when we were doing the when we did the bus scene and the woolworth scene, the sitins, i found out it was deeper than just a father and son love story. That it is an american story. Its the Civil Rights Movement and that the Civil Rights Movement is American History. American history is the Civil Rights Movement. We didnt ask to be brought over here, and we didnt ask for those atrocities to happen to us post us being freed as slaves. Its it was a magical experience, a learning experience for me. Cuba, what you could see as an africanamerican, just as an american you can see the way blacks have to talk to white people. You know, because the white people maybe have power in situations and you have to put up with the bs, if you will of acting a certain way like youre happy when youre not, is your subservient when you dont feel subservient. What did that mean to you as you learn the way the movie is portraying the black experience of living in two ways, the white way you have to show yourself and the real family and friend way you behave. I got to be honest with you, chris. When i read this script, i thought that that was such a powerful mechanism to use to show the civil rights era. Not an opinionated biased approach but an open approach explaining two ideologies, one being representative of the teachings of dr. Martin luther king, where we should be representative of a people accessible as a people and professional and act eloquently and speak eloquently. And then you had the other teachings of malcolm x who said by any means necessary we will get the respect that we deserve until he later changed his views. But this film seems to encompass both of these trains of thought through the relationship that is specific between the cecil gaines character and his son. And it was interesting because it wasnt just about race. It was about a parent and a son growing and evolving in their relationship. And one you know, all the misunderstandings and misgivings that we all have with our teenage children and how we have to give them the tools for them to be, you know, independent and strong and fierce and at the same time not be too overbearing on our own opinions on what they believe. And i think thats whats so beautiful about this movie is the statement is it opens a dialogue so that kids today can learn what we as americans, white and black, fought and struggled for during the sitins, during the freedom rider bus situations. And how we were weve been enriched by americans because of that experience and, you know, like ive been saying in all these interviews, we travel foreign a lot. And the american brand has been beaten up and if they knew where we have come from as a people, theyd understand that president barack obama is a natural progression of things to have a black president of such a wonderful nation. Lee daniels, congratulations. I hope this movie wins every weekend for the next three months. I got to tell you, ill never know what its like to be black. Come on, chris. This movie gives you a hint, a hint of what you think it might be like because its so rich and because its conflicting. You got Oprah Winfrey who was wonderful in this movie doing cheating, drinking too much. She straightened herself out at one point. She stopped drinking, staying faithful to her husband later on. A mixed person with problems. The young good looking woman who is not a good person. Youve got the son whos a mixed bag. The other son is this loyal american that gets killed in vietnam. Theres so much richness to the story. Its about people and about our country. You should be so proud. Chris, what ive learned is that what i walked away from this film was that it wasnt as an africanamerican you think we as black people were the only people that experienced the Civil Rights Movement. But there were so many white people just as many that were killed trying to help america with the Civil Rights Movement. That was my learning experience from it and i hope everybody will walk away with that too. Two of those three guys burned alive are white. Thank you, cuba gooding. Youre going to get an oscar nomination. Oh, you are going to get one. Were already dealing with one in the movie and thats oprah. Back off a little bit. Shes going to win one too but the other guy, whitaker, is going to get the big one. Thank you. Lee daniels, great work. Fabulous historic work. Up next, its americas biggest yard sale and if you ever wanted a souvenir from the war in afghanistan now is your chance. If you want a humvee and an important programming note. Starting next monday, one week from today, catch hardball exclusively at 7 00 eastern. No more 5 00. For those of you watching at 5 00 eastern, next week you need to tune in at 7 00. Dont worry, im going to keep reminding you all this week about that. Were going exclusively at 7 00 eastern. So were going to have to share some time at a different time. Anyway, thats hardball. Im hardball. Its the place for politics. Back to hardball. And time for the sideshow. If youve ever dreamed of taking a joyride around the neighborhood in a camouflaged fiveto know cargo truck, nows your chance. 50 billion worth of military hardware used over the last 14 years in afghanistan will be coming home over the next 16 months. Believe it or not, some of it can be yours at gov liquidation. Com. There it is. Its like ebay for the department of defense. The site publicly auctions everything from Aircraft Parts and cranes to vending machines and household appliances. Its made more than 500 million for the department of defense as of 2011. But the drawdown in afghanistan which is the largest pullout in the American History means theyll have a lot more inventory in the coming months. Next up, a san diego radio show took to the skies to send a notsosubtle message to besieged mayor, bob filner. Surrender it said. Hes refused to resign and now facing a recall effort. The sky writing as an homage to the famous scene from the wizard of oz. Nobody expects a happy outcome in this case. Catch this. U. S. Senator ted cruz released his birth certificate on sunday to prove to naysayers that he is indeed a naturalborn citizen. But according to the Dallas Morning News he may also be a canadian citizen as welt. After consulting with canadian legal scholars the paper reported born in canada to an american mother, ted cruz became an instant u. S. Citizen but under under canadian law he also became a citizen of that country the moment he was born there. Unless the texas senator formally renounces his citizenship, he will remain a citizen of both countries. Legal experts say, well, that means he could assert the right to vote in canada or even run for parliament up there. While dual citizenship doesnt preclude the senator from becoming president in this country, hes asserting that hes not, he says, a canadian citizen. They say differently. Up next, stop and frisk. Yes, its controversial, but does it work . Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. The same thi. Its what you love about her. But your erectile dysfunction that could be a question of blood flow. Cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be Ready Anytime the moments right. You can be more confident in your ability to be ready. And the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. Do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. 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Talk about a tough subject, that was new york mayor Michael Bloomberg speaking earlier today making reference to Bill Thompson, an africanamerican democrat running for mayor right now whos taking a somewhat moderate position on the citys stop and frisk law. A couple candidates are trying to find the middle. His remarks came today at a press conference where he announced a massive sting operation. It resulted in the largest seizure of guns in new yorks history. The shakedown comes as he continues to defend the citys controversial implementation of its stop and Frisk Program which the mayor argues thats bloomberg has made the city safer by taking guns like these guns they picked up in stop and frisk. A federal judge ruled the tactics were unconstitutionally targeting blacks and minorities in the courts right now. Bloomberg was livid when the ruling came out last week. Hes filing an appeal and continues to plead his case. Not just with new yorkers but obviously the country. In todays Washington Post, he spells out in a big editorial plainly stop and frisk is not racial profiling. Unlike many cities where wealthy areas get special treatment, the nypd targets its manpower to the areas that suffer the highest crime levels. 90 of all those who commit the murders and other Violent Crimes are black and hispanic. It is shameful so many elected officials and editorial writers have been largely silent on these facts. When it comes to policing, Political Correctness is deadly. Bill bratton is now an msnbc analyst and Eugene Robinson is a pulitzer prizewinning columnist for the Washington Post and an msnbc political analyst. Unlike other people, im going to try to find the way to good security in this country, people who love our cities, mr. Commissioner, who love walking the streets of our cities in nighttime and in day and would like to walk to as many neighborhoods as they could at night without fear of death or mugging or something else. I believe police have a responsibility. I want the Honest Police officer man or woman, white, black, hispanic, latina or latino to do their job. My question is this, police are not scarecrows and dont just walk around in uniforms and nice hats and do their jobs by simply showing up. They have to take action, pro action to prevent crime. Whats an appropriate role for a Police Officer if he sees people in his sights that he believes are out for trouble. In other words, lets take the example of a gang that has just suffered a hit and he thinks that gang is going out for revenge that night. Whats the proper role to prevent that crime . You would want it your officers to be cops, what cops are paid to do which is to go in harms way. If they see something that rises to the level of a suspicion that a crime has been, is, or may be about to be committed, you want them to do something. You dont want them to do as they did in los angeles in 2001 and 2002 prior to my going there as chief of police, drive by and wave. And with the result a significant increase in crime. You want your cops to be assertive and active. But you also want them to be respectful. You want them to be mindful of the law, not break it to enforce it and you want them to in all neighborhoods of the city be the same, not behave differently in a minority neighborhood than you would in a white neighborhood. Just to stay on that subject, like we do at airports, and i know gene and i have been in many airport situations where it looks hideously stupid. Ive said before its like lords where they expect people in wheelchairs to stand up and walk 30 feet to go through the turnstyle. I go why are they doing this to an older woman . They dont want to be prejudiced to people who look middle eastern. We know that story. But on the streets, would you stop four or five business guys coming out for lunch to see if theyre carrying . Would you do that in order for the optics . Would you do that if you were commissioner of new york today to keep it consistent, as you say . You would not want your Police Officers to do that either absent something that atracks the attention of that individual to the Police Officer or the Police Officer attracted to them. And again, the Supreme Court has basically laid this out with a clear line that you cant go over. That you have to have a reasonable suspicion. And thats defined in the law and defined in i want genes reaction to what youve said so far. I actually agree with the commissioner that you want Police Officers to be proactive. I think what the judge said in this case was that this policy, the way the policy is being done in new york, violates equal protection. Its not the same in all the neighborhoods of the city the way the commissioner said it should be. And you know, once you look at the figures, you look whats happened with stop and frisk, theres interesting things that jump out. One thing that jumps out at me, for 2012, 86 of those stopped were black and hispanic. In only 2 of those cases did they find any weapon at all on the person. 2 of the cases in which they frisked. But of the few whites who got frisked, in 4 of those cases they found weapons. That tells me theres something not bright about the way its being done. That youre actually what do you think is at work here as a columnist and a person who covers social life in this country, what do you think is the motivation for the police to stop these usually young men, lets be blunt about it, minorities . Why are they doing it, to harass them or what . I cant look into their minds. I think theres some genuine Good Police Work going on. Theres some element i think of keeping a neighborhood under control. Look, it doesnt that doesnt bother me as much as the fact that its not done in other neighborhoods and that in fact, the number one thing, the number one offense that gets alleged or charged after stop and frisk is marijuana offenses. So that makes it a victim of crime on wall street but not im with you, my friend, on that. Is there any way you can stop and frisk for weapons and leave it at that, mr. Commissioner . Because it seems to me, we have a general Public Interest in not having guns on the street. Thats why people have problems with stand your ground laws, why people walk around with guns. One of the reasons theres been so much resistance to the policies of mayor bloomberg is unfortunately, because of his focus, his wellintended focus on the issue of guns. He has created the impression that the reason that stop and frisk is practiced in new york city is to get guns off the street. That is one of the results, if you will, but stop and frisk is used for everything. If i stop you for a traffic violation, for drinking beer in an open container, it isnt intended to get guns off the street unless you specifically see a gun. The idea is stop and frisk is the basic tool of american policing. And so much of the resistance to whats going on in new york is around the idea that, well, geez, 600,000 stops but only 700 guns, isnt that really overkill, if you will, to get those guns . So its were talking past each other, unfortunately, on this situation. Gene . Yeah, and thats a problem, frankly, of the mayors creation. The mayor keeps saying its to get the guns off the street. Its not. So if he keeps setting that as the bar, people are going to say it confused me because i thought it was that too. Thats what he said. I think you can get around the Fourth Amendment questions of unreasonable search and seizure. I think the 14th amendment questions of equal protection are more difficult, but theyre easily solved. Would it kill them to stop some white guys. Would it kill them . I wish we had the technology where a Police Officer could have a scanner and find out if theyre carrying. Some day well have that. Commissioner bratton, thank you sir. Its a decent argument. Were trying to find the truth here. Eugene robinson, as always. This is hardball, the place for politics. Too small. Too soft. Too tasty. [ both laugh ] [ male announcer ] introducing progressos new creamy alfredo soup. Inspired by perfection. I want to remind you again, starting next monday, hardball will be on exclusively at 7 00 eastern time. Remember, if you want to see us and i do want you to join us, ill talk about that later, 7 00 is your time for us to share. Back in a minute with olympic medalist Greg Louganis on whether america should boycott the olympics coming up this winter in russia. [ man ] look how beautiful it is. Honey, we need to talk. We do . I took the trash out. I know. And thank you so much for that. 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That unless the soviets withdraw their troops within a month from afghanistan, that the Olympic Games be moved from moscow to an alternate site or multiple sites, or postponed or canceled. That was president jimmy carton, of course, on nbcs meet the press in 80 announcing plans to boycott the summer olympics held that year that summer in moscow unless the soviet union withdrew its troops from afghanistan. Carter went through with his promise to boycott. American athletes did not participate in the summer Olympic Games and the soviets boycotted the summer games in l. A. The cold war is is over. When russia announced itself antigay law, applied during the games during this summer, winter, rather, gay rights and human rights activists turned their focus to protesting the 2014 olympics in russia. The law, by the way, allows for the finding and detaining of anyone deemed to, i dont know what this means, to promote homosexuality to children under the age of 18. Is boycotting the games the solution . President obama said hes opposed to a boycott. Joining me, somebody who ought to know about this, former four time olympic Gold MedalistGreg Louganis, a diver. Its great to have you on. By the way its great to be on. You know how that started . Robert kaiser, a great reporter for the Washington Post, columnist at the time, wrote a column saying we should boycott the olympics over the invasion of afghanistan. Walter mondale, the Vice President saw the article that morning, took it to jimmy carter, the president , who i was working for as a speechwriter and said, lets do. I think we have to be careful about these things. Your thoughts. Youre an athlete. Your life, your career, your greatness comes from being able to compete. Should we stop our young people from being able to compete because we dont like an ordinance in the russian government we dont like . Right. Your thoughts. I did compete in the 1976 Olympic Games in montreal and had that opportunity, silver medalist there. 1980, i was one of the Team Captains of the 1980 olympic team for our dive team. What we wanted to do is go over there, send one person into the opening ceremonies then all the rest of the athletes stay at home in protest of the soviet unions invasion of afghanistan but still have a presence there. And we had a really strong team. And, you know what, an athlete, an elite athlete has a shelf life. You know, i was fortunate. I was able to continue competing through 84, through 88. And i was on both sides of two boycotts. So i you know, i was very blessed in that way. But not all athletes have that opportunity. So whats the right way for people, gay and straight in this country, to say we dont like your stupid law . I dont even, by way, i mean, i dont want to be sarcastic about this. I dont know what it means to promote homosexuality. Its nature. You can argue about it. Something like an Advertising Campaign isnt going to change your orientation. Exactly. It seems to me. I would be a walking propaganda, myself, personally. Im a gay man. Im also hiv positive, but im also an athlete, too. So, you know, im totally against the whats the right smart american way to give an evolutionary values on this . I must say our values have changed, as you know, personally. So here we are, 20 or 30 years ahead of the russian people. What do we do to get them to catch up . How do we hit them hard or kiss them right way, whatever it takes to get them to change . I dont know if were going to kiss them the right way. I dont know whats that about. Its not about anything. Go ahead. So, but, you know, i think it would be wonderful for our athletes to go over there. You know, gay or straight. You know, and if theyre sympathetic to the cause, i mean, because there are other countries involved here. Theres denmark, theres the uk, theres sweden. How about a black power salutes at the olympics years ago where the black athletes did compete in the track and field but did put their fists up with the gloves on sometimes. They did. Should Something Like that happen in russia this winter . You know, i dont know if it needs to be all that overt, either. I mean, if all our allies were to dedicate their performance to their gay uncles, son, daughters to make it individual. To make it individual because, you know, it personally says a story that theyre in support of their gay family. Were out of time. Youve got the standing to make that proposal. Thank you so much for doing it here. Greg louganis. My pleasure. Well be right back. My doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. Axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. Axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. 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