tell you that he told m mr. yermak? >> that the ukrainians would have to have the prosecutor general make a statement with respect to the investigations as a condition of having the aid lifted. >> your staff at least gleaned from those conversations that the ukrainian embassy was aware that there was some kind of a hold on the assistance. >> sir, the way i would phrase it is that there was some kind of an issue, yes. >> secretary perry, ambassador volker, and i worked with mr. rudy giuliani on ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the united states. >> i was upset with him that he wasn't fully telling us about all of the meetings that he was having. and he said to me but i am briefing the president, i am briefing chief of staff mulvaney, i am briefing secretary pompeo, and i have talked to ambassador bolton.