working toward, that would be helpful. >> the september 8th text exchange between you and ambassador sondland and ambassador taylor, at the top ambassador sondland says, guys, multiple convos with zs, potus. let's talk. then approximately one hour later, ambassador taylor says, the nightmare is they give the interview and don't get the security assistance. the russians love it and i quit. and then at the bottom, about five hours later, how do you respond? >> i say, i'm not in the loop, talk monday. >> so you were not in the loop in terms of all of these conversations that ambassador taylor, mr. morrison, ambassador sondland, were having? >> yes, that's correct. >> and now ultimately, the hold was lifted on september 11th, is that right, ambassador volker? >> that's my understanding. >> mr. morrison, were you aware