she could be rid of and stop doing, and i said, absolutely not. and if you can't pay for it now, i will. but you need to have the security for the kids. >> and the friend told the jury, she actually forgot to make the last two payments on the insurance policy before gary was killed. >> which you think is significant, why? >> well, because she testified at trial that pam never asked her again about the insurance policy. it never came up in any conversation with her. she just let it go. >> so if pam was killing gary for the insurance money, she would have said something to her friend, like, you made the last payments, right? >> exactly. >> but then how to explain the recorded phone calls between pam and ron. the discussion of payment. >> i'm really happy that your 1.6 was tax-free. >> the threats. >> there's just plenty of stuff that i could literally dig out of the ground. >> and talk of prison time. >> when you sit in a women's