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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:15:00

And in december, 2009, more than a year after she went on the lam, they found her in austria. detective gamber received the news from overseas and realized he wasn t out of rabbits after all. a coded message that said she s in custody in vienna, and do you want to extradite her? it was like a one-word response, yes. but pam would spend some time waiting in an austrian jail first while her accused co-conspirator ron young stood trial. in february 2010, prosecutors presented their case against young to a jury. they argued that young planted the bomb that killed gary treeian that, and that pam phillips paid him to do it. everything you say, everything you ve heard reeks of

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:51:00

Death, monetarily. as the trial headed toward its close, the counsel felt confident, but one never knows which way a jury will go. we both firmly believed we had the right person on trial. we both firmly believed the evidence showed she was guilty. the question was, given the circumstantial nature of the case, did we produce enough? coming up ladies and gentlemen, you re excused to deliberate. feel confident? i ve been doing it long enough to never be confident about anything. a 17-year investigation comes down to a single moment. it was overwhelming. my heart breaks. my heart breaks. the verdict when dateline continues. - i can t believe you got me this! - yes, verizon is giving one to everyone when they trade in

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:17:00

The united states. you can guess who was there to welcome her back. what do you say to the triano family? who do you say to gary s adult children? what do you say to your own children and whose mother is going to be in jail? but lupita s wasn t the only face pam saw at the airport. what was that like, to see pam come back to tucson to face trial? it s gratifying. she got off the plane about 10:00 at night. she wasn t happy to see me. also present, melissa triano. why was it important for you to be there? i think because she had thought she had gotten away with this, and i think that we wanted her to see that we knew that she hadn t. there she was on full display, the former socialite chauffeured lee know was now a

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:28:00

She could be rid of and stop doing, and i said, absolutely not. and if you can t pay for it now, i will. but you need to have the security for the kids. and the friend told the jury, she actually forgot to make the last two payments on the insurance policy before gary was killed. which you think is significant, why? well, because she testified at trial that pam never asked her again about the insurance policy. it never came up in any conversation with her. she just let it go. so if pam was killing gary for the insurance money, she would have said something to her friend, like, you made the last payments, right? exactly. but then how to explain the recorded phone calls between pam and ron. the discussion of payment. i m really happy that your 1.6 was tax-free. the threats. there s just plenty of stuff that i could literally dig out of the ground. and talk of prison time. when you sit in a women s

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210925 08:40:00

Before the trial, the defense inspected jerry capuano s former wood shop. the new owner allowed us to go into that shop and we found items in that shop that everything there could have been used to build a bomb, cut pipes, wires, several units for the model planes. this is something they could have found in 1997. there s just one problem with this defense theory. it s pretty hard to check out. where s mr. capuano now? he died. and neil mcneice died? right. so they re the perfect third-party defense for you, that s true. they re dead. they can t stand up and call you a liar. but the evidence is what it is. the evidence is there. and the defense argued, dr. dantonio was not the only person to mention neil mcneice as a potential suspect in the case. gregory seiffert.

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