look like they've been rode hard and put away wet. i mean, just jaramillo's tired looking and, you know, you can imagine the amount of stress that must be going through him. and then the old man who didn't look like he was doing particularly well either. >> did he look frightened or something? >> yeah, they both looked scared. they both looked like trapped rats on a burning ship, you know? >> and as they feared, fred was suspicious. he sat down, said not a word. but he'd written something on his notepad. >> at which point, fred schockner lifted that note up that says, "are you wired?" >> i'm not. >> very possible. >> i thought he was going to walk, you know? i thought, you know, this guy's going to come to his senses and realize this -- >> stand up and turn out and walk out the restaurant. >> but he didn't. >> he stayed. and they talked. frank trying to get fred to admit his role, fred deflecting his attempts.