misinformation. i'm not trying to promote misinformation. i'm not trying to be controversial. >> podcast host joe rogan has pushed back to gantz allegations today. though he's promised to do better, spotify is going to put -- when you do for a host that tells tens of millions of years are weak that they don't need to be vaccinated during a pandemic. michelle goldberg is a columnist for the new york times, sam-seater joins me now. sam, a plucky independent man i come to for entertaining conversation. but cannot trust a word that you say. what do you think about this situation? >> i should say. full disclosure, i tried to get on rogan's show years and years ago. because a, to go on his show was to really help out your own show. at the time to, i felt like he had a lot of right-wingers, a lot of libertarians on.