to help explain the significance of what just happened i'm joined by an associate law professor who was one of the lawyers involveden this particular case when it was initially filed against trump. zeffer, great to see you. talk about white house this reversal means. did the original case mean that the litigants didn't have standing, and did this court say yes you do? >> absolutely. this is a huge deal. this is the first time a federal court of appeals has recognized plaintiffs who can go forward with the emallulatoluments laws against donald trump. so it will go back to district court, and there are two other similar lawsuits in -- any time a federal court has looked at whether or not donald trump is violating or looked at what the meaning of emoluments is they've said it includes profits, benefits, gain, the kind of