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Worried that, by going that deep, you are depleting the groundwater . Well, yes, we are depleting it. But on the other hand, what choice do you have . Stahl whats the result of all of this drilling . Thats our story tonight. Thats alarming. It should be. Rose this is what everybody that is watching this wants to know. Yeah. Rose who is larry david . Oh, this guy. Hes too much. Rose who is larry david . You are too much, mr. Rose. Rose why . Huh . Rose why . Youre probing. What is the probe . Rose because we want to know who you are, i mean. Im a jerk, thats who i am. Lets stop talking about me. I. Thats why i didnt want to do this interview in the first place. I had to be talked into 60 minutes. You think i wanted to do this . I didnt want to do it, because i knew youd be asking questions like this im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im morley safer. Im bill whitaker. Im charlie rose. Im scott pelley. Those stories tonight on 60 minutes. To be a concern, all throughout the day. 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The fragile trust between cops and many inner City Residents has been broken by the deaths of unarmed black men in encounters with police in ferguson, new york city, north charleston, and most recently, baltimore. As we first reported in january, tensions reached a critical stage in cleveland when a city cop killed 12yearold tamir rice as he played in a park with a toy gun. Now, its up to the citys chief of police, Calvin Williams, to calm the outrage and reform a department in one of the most violent cities in america. Are there bad guys within the Police Department . Calvin williams of course there are. And its my job to make sure we weed out the bad people from this division, and that we nurture and grow and support the good officers that are out there. Hang tight for a second while you guys sit in the car and let me talk to the commander, all right . All right. Williams okay. Whitaker chief Calvin Williams has been a cop in cleveland for 29 years. Hes faced one crisis after another since assuming command last year. No incident in cleveland has been more horrifying than the killing of tamir rice. Security camera video captured rice playing with a pellet gun. The police pulled up, and within two seconds, an officer shot the boy. On the left, you see tamirs 14 yearold sister being tackled by police as she rushed to her dying brother. The police ride up, and almost even before the door is open the 12yearold boy is shot. Williams a 12yearold boy lost his life, period. And what makes it even more difficult for me, not just as a person that lives in the city but as a chief, is that that happened at the hands of a Police Officer. Whitaker the rookie officer who killed rice was hired by the cleveland p. D. , even though another Police Department had found him emotionally unfit and forced him to resign. How did he get hired by the cleveland Police Department . Williams those are things that are under investigation that were definitely taking a second, a third, and a fourth look at. Whitaker how did he slip through . Williams we know some of the things that happened in that process, and were even at this moment changing the way some of that is done. Whitaker prosecutors are investigating the rice case. Protests against, and in support of police, have continued in cleveland ever since the shooting. Youve got a predominantly black city and a majority white police force. Does that need to change . Williams diversity is always, always at the forefront of what im trying to do in this city. But if you come from the premise that only an African American can police other African Americans, then were all doomed to failure. Whitaker youve heard about the talk that many African American families have with their young sons to watch out when they have an encounter with the police. Is that unnecessary . Williams well, bill, i dont want to minimize that, because i know that happens a lot in minority communities. I can say, from a personal standpoint, you know, i have a 24yearold son and ive never had that talk with him. You know, i expect him to be respectful and to act properly no matter who hes encountering, whether its a Police Officer or a news anchor person. Is there something that happens in this country between African Americans or minorities and Law Enforcement . Yes, it does happen. Whitaker the city asked the u. S. Justice department in 2013 to investigate the cleveland p. D. After more than 100 Police Officers joined a highspeed chase and fired 137 times at this car, killing two unarmed people inside. Police mistook their car backfire for gun shots. The Justice Department report found a pattern of unnecessary and excessive use of deadly force, and it described an us against them mentality between the police and the community. Whats more, some suspects were beaten, pepper sprayed, and tasered, even after they were already in custody. The report found a pattern of excessive use of force. You disagree with that . Williams yes, i do. Whitaker the report found that it was systemic within the division. You disagree with that . Williams yes, i do. Whitaker what do you agree with . Williams i agree that there are some issues within the Cleveland Division of police as they pertain to use of force, as they pertain to reporting, and community issues. And we are working diligently, both with the department of justice and with the community to make sure that we correct those things. Whitaker theres a memorial here at the spot where 12year old tamir rice was shot. But this park is Hallowed Ground for Police Officers, as well. Less than 100 yards away are memorials to two officers killed in the line of duty. One was murdered by a drug dealer, another by a rape suspect. When it comes to pain in cleveland, there isnt much distance between the people and the police. Six cleveland cops have been killed in the last 20 years. Danger and stress take their toll. A Police Officers Life Expectancy here and around the country is ten years shorter than the average american. Officers shane bauhof and eric newton patrol clevelands 4th district, the most dangerous beat in the city. They told us about a struggle with a drunk suspect who tried to grab newtons gun. Eric newton theres safeguards to keep it from just coming out. Coming straight out. But, i mean, you can hear that and i can feel it tugging on my hip. Whitaker hes trying to pull it out. Newton with both hands. Whitaker were you scared . That had to be frightening. Newton its terrifying. Youre keenly aware of what the consequences are if he is successful in doing that. Whitaker does it still haunt you . Newton i dont think id use the word haunt. I find myself thinking about it now every time i talk to somebody. Whitaker they have been partners for six years, and have never wanted to work in any other neighborhood. Shane bauhof i dont live here, but this is my community. A lot of times, in a busy week i spend more time here than with my own family at home. Its not me against them; im out here protecting. Whitaker the murder rate in cleveland last year was higher than in chicago, new york, or los angeles. 103 people were killed in cleveland, 42 in this neighborhood. This day, the wind chill was 20 below zero, but newton and bauhof kept the car window open so they can hear gunfire. This is the most dangerous area right here. Bauhof i can tell you, there are some individuals in the community who do scare me a great deal, given the types of things that theyve done in the past and the arrests weve made involving them. Yeah, they scare me. If an officer comes out here and says hes not scared of anything, hes a liar. Whitaker how do you protect and serve people youre afraid of . Williams you know, if you look at things that have happened around the country, both to other people and the Police Officers, some of that fear is warranted. Because there are people out there that mean harm to Police Officers. Whitaker one of the problems exposed in the Justice Department report was how the Cleveland Police improperly deal with the mentally ill. Tanisha anderson had a history of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Last november, she was disoriented and outside in the cold wearing a nightgown. Her brother joelle and her mother casandra called for an ambulance. Two Police Officers responded instead. Joelle anderson she was treated like a criminal instead of a human being that had a right, you know, to get some help. Whitaker the family and the cops agreed that tanisha needed to go to the hospital. But when police moved to put her in the squad car, her brother saw her panic. How was she behaving . Anderson she was just holding onto the car doors. Whitaker not allowing them to push her in. Anderson right, thats all she was doing, just holding onto the car doors. Casandra johnson ive never seen so much force from a big hand crunched down on somebodys head like that, just constantly, constantly trying to get her in the car. And im like, what is going on . Is she a criminal or what . Anderson the big cop, he slammed my sister. Whitaker he slammed her . Anderson he slammed her. He snatched her off the car, the inside of the police car and he slammed her. Whitaker to the ground . Anderson to the ground. I never will forget that. Whitaker the officers say that tanisha was kicking at them and resisting them. Anderson thats absolutely untrue. I was there, i know. Whitaker the family says one officer put his knee in her back as he cuffed her face down on the sidewalk. She stopped moving. They waited 20 minutes for an ambulance. She was pronounced dead at the hospital. Tanisha anderson was 37. The medical examiner ruled her death a homicide. The Anderson Family is suing cleveland, and has demanded all officers be trained to deal with the mentally ill. Williams its another incident that we definitely feel sorry that it happened, period. Whitaker do your officers have training in how to deal with the mentally ill . Williams yes, some of our officers do. We have approximately close to 450 officers that are trained in crisis intervention. Whitaker 450 out of how many . Williams out of approximately 900 that are in patrol. The agencies that were in place, id say ten years ago, to handle things with the families, to handle things with mental illness, to handle things with addiction arent there anymore. People call 911, we have to respond. Whitaker the department received a staggering 400,000 calls for assistance last year more than one call per resident. Chief williams says he wants his officers to stop responding to so many nonemergency calls, and instead get out of their squad cars and get to know the community. But it can be uncomfortable for police, which is exactly what we saw when we asked officers newton and bauhof to meet with some of the people they serve at this community center. What is the perception of the police . In this neighborhood, its not that good. Some people get that badge on they chest, and they think they become superman. They got a right to take on the world. Whitaker how do you differentiate these kids from the ones you call the bad guys . Bauhof one of the things is probably a smile and a wave and how you doing, officer . Instead of spitting. Whitaker why do you think they would spit at you . Bauhof not everyone likes the police. It seems like every time a young, black man is involved they shoot first, ask questions later. Bauhof me and my partner have arrested hundreds of gun arrests. Neither one of us have ever fired our gun at anybody. Whitaker eric, you been kind of quiet here. Newton well, im listening. Whitaker what are you hearing . Newton more communication. Ive never encountered a situation that couldnt benefit from more communication. Whitaker the Justice Department is insisting on reforms, including new rules on the use of deadly force and faster ways to discipline bad cops. Williams unfortunately, it takes time. You know, i for one would love to be able to wave my magic wand and have this change tonight. Good morning. Good morning, chief. Whitaker after spending four days with chief williams, you get the sense that hes disgusted, even furious that the actions of some of his officers have so badly damaged the reputation of the department hes risked his own life for. Williams i had people actually trying to take my life on four separate occasions. And i survived that. I could give you a whole list of officers attacked with Deadly Weapons that survive and dont end up using deadly force against that person. Whitaker whats at stake here for cleveland . Williams everything. Everythings at stake. I mean, i talk to people every day that say, we support you and we know you have a difficult job to do with the division of police. But we know, in the end, this Police Department will be better. And if thats not the case at the end of this, then i failed at my job. And i hate to fail. Whitaker the investigation into the shooting of 12yearold tamir rice is still not complete more than six months after he was killed by a cleveland cop. The rice family says the boys remains still have not been buried because another forensic examination could be necessary. Cbs money watch updatenpbrought to glor good evening. An security paid 20n million inagx benefits tookn suspected nazi war crimarbq s. 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Ohh. Maybe thats whats preventing me from getting the sleep i need talk to your doctor about ways to manage your insomnia. Stahl last fall, we brought you a story about something that has made headlines ever since water. Its been said that the wars of the 21st century may well be fought over water. The earths population has more than doubled over the last 50 years, and the demand for freshwater to drink and to grow food has surged along with it. But sources of water like rainfall, rivers, streams, reservoirs certainly havent doubled, so where is all that extra water coming from . More and more, its being pumped out of the ground. Water experts say groundwater is like a savings account something you draw on in times of need. But savings accounts need to be replenished, and there is new evidence that so much water is being taken out, much of the world is in danger of a groundwater overdraft. California is now in its fourth year of a recordbreaking drought. This past winter was the hottest and driest since the state started keeping written records. And yet, pay a visit to californias Central Valley, and out of that parched land, youll see acre upon acre of corn almond trees, pomegranates tomatoes, grapes. And what makes them all possible water. Where do you get water in a drought . You take it out of the savings account, groundwater. Jay famiglietti when we talk about surface water, were talking about lakes and rivers. And when were talking about groundwater, were really talking about water below the water table. Stahl Jay Famiglietti, an Earth Sciences professor at the university of california irvine, is a leading expert on groundwater. Famiglietti its like a sponge. Its like an underground sponge. Stahl hes talking about the aquifers where groundwater is stored layers of soil and rock, as he showed us in this simple graphic, that are saturated with water and can be drilled into, like the three wells shown here. You can actually pump it out of the crevices . Famiglietti imagine like trying to put a straw into a sponge. You can actually suck water right out of a sponge. Its a very similar process. Stahl sucking the water out of those aquifers is big business these days in the Central Valley. Well driller steve arthur is a very busy man. Steve arthur all the farmers, they dont have no surface water. Theyve got to keep these crops alive. The only way to do that is to drill wells, pump the water from the ground. Stahl so its either drill or go out of business . Arthur yes. Stahl so theres something of a groundwater rush going on here. Arthurs seven rigs are in constant use, and his waiting list is well over a year. And because some wells here are running dry, hes having to drill twice as deep as he did just a year or two ago. This well will cost the farmer a quarter of a Million Dollars and go down 1,200 feet, about the height of the empire state building. Are you and are the farmers worried that, by going that deep, you are depleting the groundwater . Arthur well, yes, we are depleting it. But on the other hand, what choice do you have . This is the most Fertile Valley in the world. You can grow anything you want here. If we dont have water to grow something, its going to be a desert. Stahl he said many farmers think the problem is cyclical and that once the drought ends things will be okay. Now, when they take water out and it rains. Famiglietti yes. Stahl . Doesnt the water go back down there . Famiglietti these aquifers near the surface, they can sometimes be replenished very quickly. If were talking about a deeper aquifer, that could take tens or hundreds of years to recharge. Stahl figuring out how much is being depleted from those aquifers deep underground isnt easy. Hydrologist Claudia Faunt took us to what looked like someones backyard shed, where she and her colleagues at the u. S. Geological survey monitor groundwater levels in the Central Valley the way they always have by dropping a sensor down a monitoring well. So this is a well. Claudia faunt this is a well. We have a tape here that has a sensor on the end. Stahl oh, let me see. The Geological Survey has 20,000 wells like this across the country. Its a tape measure. Faunt its a tape measure. Stahl how will you know when its hit water . Faunt its going to beep. Stahl by comparing measurements from different wells over time, they get the best picture they can of where groundwater levels stand. She unspooled and unspooled, until finally. beeping stahl oh. It startled me, as did the result a fivefoot drop in just one month. Faunt right now, were reaching water levels that are at historic lows. Theyre like. Stahl historic lows . Faunt right. At this site, water levels have dropped about 200 feet in the last few years. Stahl gathering data from holes in the ground like this has been the only way to get a handle on groundwater depletion. That is, until 2002 and the launch of an experimental nasa satellite called grace. What does grace stand for . Mike watkins so, grace stands for gravity recovery and climate experiment. Stahl mike watkins is head of the Science Division at Nasas Jet Propulsion Laboratory in pasadena. He was the Mission Manager for the latest mars rover mission, and he is the project scientist for grace. Watkins so, the way grace works is its. Its two satellites. Stahl two . Watkins theyre actually measuring each others orbit very, very accurately. Stahl what affects that orbit is gravity. Watkins as the first one comes up on some extra mass, an area of higher gravity, it gets pulled away. Stahl it goes faster. Watkins . From the second spacecraft. Stahl and thats where water comes in. Since water has mass, it affects the pull of gravity. So after the first grace satellite approaches an area thats had lots of heavy rain, for example, and is pulled ahead, the second one gets there, feels the pull, and catches up. The instruments are constantly measuring the distance between the two. Watkins their changes in separation, their changes in their orbit are a little different this month than last month because water moved around, and it changed the gravity field just enough. Stahl so grace can tell whether an area has gained water weight or lost it. So grace is like a big scale in the sky . Watkins absolutely. Stahl grace can also tell how much water an area has gained or lost. Scientists can then subtract out the amount of rain and snowfall, and whats left are the changes in groundwater. Its kind of brilliant to think that a satellite in the sky is measuring groundwater. Watkins it is fantastic. Famiglietti i thought it was complete nonsense. Theres no way we can see groundwater from space. Stahl Jay Famiglietti started out a skeptic, but that was before he began analyzing the data grace sent back. The first place he looked was india. He showed us a timelapse animation of the changes grace detected there over the last 12 years. Note the dates on the lower right. The redder it gets, the greater the loss of water. Oh, look at that. He calculated that more than half the loss was due to groundwater depletion. Famiglietti and this is a huge agricultural region. Stahl have they been doing the same kind of pumping that were seeing in california . Famiglietti yes. Stahl it got so dark red. Famiglietti yeah, thats bad. Stahl his india findings were published in the journal nature. But as he showed us, india wasnt the only red spot on the grace map. Famiglietti this is right outside beijing. Bangladesh, and then across southern asia. Stahl he noticed a pattern. Famiglietti they are almost exclusively located over the major aquifers of. Of the world. And those are also our big food producing regions. So, were talking about groundwater depletion in the aquifers that supply Irrigation Water to grow the worlds food. Stahl if that isnt worrisome enough, some of those aquifer systems are in volatile regions for instance, this one that is shared by syria, iraq, iran, and turkey. Famiglietti turkeys built a bunch of dams, stored a bunch of water upstream. That forces the downstream neighbors to use more groundwater, and the groundwaters being depleted. Stahl oh, my. Famiglietti were seeing this water loss spread literally across iran, iraq, and into syria and down. Stahl progressive. Famiglietti, whos now moved to the jet Propulsion Lab to work on grace, has started traveling around the world, trying to alert governments and academics to the problem, and he isnt the only one whos worried. A 2012 report from the director of National Intelligence warned that, within ten years, many countries important to the United States will experience water problems that will risk instability and state failure, and cited the possible use of water as a weapon or to further terrorist objectives. Water is the new oil. Famiglietti its true. Its. Its headed in that direction. Stahl and what about our own foodproducing regions, like californias Central Valley, which produces 25 of the nations food. What is grace telling us there . 2008. Famiglietti right. Stahl 09. Famiglietti and now, things are going to start to get very red. Stahl grace is confirming what the Geological Survey well measures have shown, but giving a broader and more frightening picture, since it shows that the rainy years are not making up for the losses. gasps 14 dark red. Thats alarming. Famiglietti it should be. Stahl so much groundwater has been pumped out here that the Geological Survey says its causing another problem parts of the valley are literally sinking. Its called subsidence. Faunt so the ground basically collapses or compresses down, and the land sinks. Stahl the land is sinking down. She said, at this spot, the ground is dropping several inches a year. Faunt and north of here, its more like a foot per year. Stahl that sounds like a lot, a foot a year. Faunt its some of the fastest rates we have ever seen in the valley, and in the world. Stahl she says its caused damage to infrastructure buckles in canals and sinking bridges. Here the land has sunk six feet. It used to be level with the top of this concrete slab. And this is because of the pumping of the groundwater . Faunt yes. Stahl is there any limit on a farmer as to how much he can actually take out of this groundwater . Faunt not right now in the state of california. Stahl none . Faunt as long as you put it to a beneficial use, you can take as much as you want. Stahl but whats beneficial to you may not be beneficial to your neighbor. When you dig a well like this, are you taking water from the next farm . Arthur i would say, yeah were taking water from everybody. Stahl well, is that neighbor going to be unhappy . Arthur no. Everybody knows that theres a water problem. Everybody knows you got to drill deeper, deeper. And its funny you say that, because were actually going to drill a well for that farmer next door also. Stahl making things worse, farmers have actually been planting what are known as thirsty crops. We saw orchard after orchard of almond trees. Almonds draw big profits, but they need water all year long, and farmers can never let fields go fallow or the trees will die. But with all the water depletion here, we did find one place that is pumping water back into its aquifer. Look, it really looks ickier up close. We took a ride with mike markus, general manager of the Orange County Water District and a program some call toilet to tap. They take 96 million gallons a day of treated wastewater from a county sanitation plant and yes, that includes sewage and, in effect, recycle it. He says in 45 minutes, this sewage water will be drinkable. Mike markus youll love it. Stahl you think im going to drink that water . Markus yes, you will. Stahl they put the wastewater through an elaborate threestep process suck it through microscopic filters, force it through membranes blast it with u. V. Light. By the end, markus insists its purer than the water we drink. But it doesnt go straight to the tap. They send it to this basin, and then use it to replenish the groundwater. Famiglietti its amazing. Because of recycling of sewage water, theyve been able to arrest that decline in the groundwater. Stahl all right, im going to do it. All that was left was to try it. To tell the truth, it wasnt bad. I cant believe how brave i am. 45 minutes ago, this was sewer water. Markus and now, its drinkable. Stahl he says its a great model for big cities around the country. But its not the answer for areas like the Central Valley, which is sparsely populated and therefore doesnt produce enough waste. So, at least for now, its continuing withdrawals from that savings account. Will there be a time when there is zero water in the aquifer for people in california . Famiglietti unless we take action, yes. Stahl california has taken several actions. Last month, Governor Brown mandated a 25 cut in water use by homes and businesses. And the state also enacted a law that, for the first time, takes steps toward regulating groundwater, but the law could take 25 years to fully implement. And now a cbs news sports update. At the at T Byron Nelson australian steven bodich, now a dallasarea resident, shot a finalround 64 to take the title by 4 his second career win. 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But as we first told you in march, he says thats just an act, the nice guy act. Who is he . Thats what we wanted to find out. This is what everybody that is watching this wants to know. Larry david yeah. Rose who is larry david . David oh, this guy. Hes too much. Rose who is larry david . David you are too much, mr. Rose. Rose why . David huh . Rose why . David youre probing. What is the probe . Rose because we want to know who you are, i mean. David who the hell knows . I dont know. Rose but you do know. David like, what. Whatever youre seeing, thats who i am rose really . David yeah. Rose well, its not true. You told me you created a character. Its not you. Its who you might want to be but are not. Who are you . David im a jerk, thats who i am. Im like. Rose youre not thats an act david im like everybody else. Rose no, thats an act. David no, it isnt. Rose it really isnt . David no. Rose how are you a jerk . David oh, look, lets stop talking about me. I. Thats why i didnt want to do this interview in the first place. I had to be talked into 60 minutes. You think i wanted to do this . I didnt want to do it, because i knew youd be asking questions like this rose then whyd you do it . David they. They talked me into it, just like they talked me into the play rose oh, so youre a guy that you can be talked into things. David yes, hence the jerk. Rose you have no backbone. You have no capacity to say no. David no rose but the guy that you create would be able to say no. David there you go. Rose and theres your biggest hangup. David yep. Rose you cant say no, but you can create a character that can say no. David yeah. Rose youre not a jerk, but can create a character thats a jerk, but you dont have the courage to be a jerk. David thats perfect. Thats good. Thats good. I like that. How much you charge . Thats better than any therapy i ever got. Rose whoever he is, larry david attracts hardcore fans wholl wait for hours in bone cracking cold for a stagedoor glimpse of their hero. David look at you. Youre all prepared, huh . Goodbye. Rose before the play opened in march, advance ticket sales set a 15 million record, with the best seats priced at 425 each. So here we are backstage. David is a very fit 67 years old and, being the star of the show. David my own pants, my own jacket, my own shirt. Rose . He insisted on bringing his own clothes, for comforts sake. David it takes me a while to acclimate to new clothing. I dont know about you. Mom, are you crazy . Rose fish in the dark is a dark comedy about family dysfunction in typical larry david style. After his fathers death, Norman Drexel, davids character, fights with his mother, his brother, his wife, and the housekeeper over just about everything. David well, its not about me. But the character is very similar to me. Okay, its me, yeah. That was a wonderful, wonderful eulogy. Rose sometimes, his characters are so similar to the man, its easy to get confused. Larry, larry . That is you hey rose on the hbo show curb your enthusiasm, his character was actually named larry david. He was politically incorrect, a bit of a jerk, and an equal opportunity offender. David let me ask you this question. Have you noticed if she has any proclivity for chopsticks . Jerry seinfeld if thats not that, what is that . Rose david and Jerry Seinfeld created one of the most successful sitcoms ever. And by his own admission, the character closest to davids heart was the wily weasel, george costanza. George costanza im going to slip him a mickey anna shapiro its not about where he can go to get the thing. Rose we asked the plays director, anna shapiro, about the many faces of larry david. Heres a guy who says he doesnt consider himself an actor, doesnt want to be an actor, has created two characters that he says are him. And then is going to play a character who he says is him. Shapiro hes a liar. Hes just lying. All those things, none of those things are true. He is an actor. They arent him. And hes actually a pretty good actor, and hes clearly interested in acting. David youre talking normal again. Shapiro . Because you dont do a play if youre not interested in acting. Its a very, very weird way. Its kind of a long way around to get a laugh. So i dont think its true. I think hes acting his head off. Larry you belong with us. Rose and acting is a very different animal from improvisation, making it up as you go along, which was the essence of his tv show curb your enthusiasm. Was that your dads doctor . Rose here, hes got to stick to the script, and remember it. Is the acting, does it worry you . Did you have trepidation of not being able to do it . David is that one of the great understatements of the century . laughter yeah. Rose of what . Forget your lines . Not know how to move . David all of it. Yes, everything. Oh, boy. Theyre right on it. Rose its a million miles from broadway to brooklyn and the Apartment Building where he grew up. He hadnt set foot in the place in half a century. David this was my apartment. This is where i grew up. And here, this is where my aunt and uncle and cousins grew up. Rose the current residents the galinskis, invited us in. David look at the size of our kitchen. Rose this is the point in most profiles where the subject is usually flooded with warm nostalgic memories. Well, curb your enthusiasm. Emotions . David not much. Nothing. Rose youve moved on. A place where your loving and wonderful mother raised you. Its where she made you, along with your father. David yeah, i feel nothing yeah. Rose you know, gave you the confidence to go out and be what you became . David oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Yes. Rose dont you feel that . David nope. Nope. Rose it doesnt touch you . David nope. Completely devoid. Rose what kind of heart do you have . David im completely devoid of any feelings whatsoever at this moment. Rose the david apartment was a lot like seinfelds. Larry remembers a lot of relatives and friends constantly wandering in and out. All right rose . A lot of yelling and no privacy. laughter david in the yearbook. Rose we moved on to Shell Bank Junior High for the story of his school days. David in Junior High School and high school, i did not participate in anything. Rose you didnt. David i didnt even know things were going on. By the way. Rose yes, you did. David . I didnt even know. I swear to you, i didnt even know there was a prom okay . Rose you didnt go to the prom . David not only did i not go, i didnt even know about it yeah, this is it. Rose this is the very spot where he made his only previous stage appearance at age 13, in the school play charlies aunt, wearing a dress. This is your class. Just look at this and tell me if you can find yourself. David oh, there . Rose oh, oh, oh, oh. You were a goodlooking kid. David cute, yes. Cute kid. Rose what would you have written for your caption at that time . David lost at sea, yeah. Rose did you feel lost at sea . David yeah, the prom story is true i didnt know there was a prom, so, you know. Rose that says a lot to me. David . That says a lot. Rose didnt know. David didnt know. Rose heres what they should have written about you. David out of it, yeah. Rose no. Didnt go, didnt know. David laughs thats it. Perfect, yeah. I wish i came up with that answer, yeah. Rose but he does concede that growing up in brooklyn gave him all sorts of material for later use some of it, very close to the bone. What did your mother want you to be . David a mailman. Rose a mailman . David yes. She wanted me to work in the post office. Rose because it was safe . David safe, yes. Secure paychecks. Rose pension. David yeah. That was her dream, by the way. You know, that wasnt just. That was a dream. It wasnt only because she said that; thats how i felt about it. I. Rose you had no reason to believe that you were going to be as successful as you wanted to be. David zero, zero belief in myself. And its changed somewhat, but theres still a lot of that in me. Rose getting out of the house, going to the university of maryland, lightened his mood. People actually enjoyed his emerging sense of humor. After college, he became friends with fellow funnyman richard lewis, and david started doing standup. But it was not his finest hour. David you know, when you do standup, there are certain requirements that you have to do, like you have to go on stage, and when you get introduced, you have to say hey, how ya doin . How are ya . I couldnt do it. Rose it was false for you. David it was false, i couldnt do it. Rose it is even said that sometimes you would take a look at the audience and not go on. David yeah, i did that once. I got up on stage and i kind of looked them over and i went, nah, i dont think so. And i left. Rose he survived along the way, as young entertainers do, with odd jobs. David paralegal. Rose chauffeur. David . Private chauffeur taxi driver. Rose taxi driver. David . Driver and. Rose bra salesman. David bra salesman, yeah. Mr. Farkus so, basically george, the job here is quite simple selling bras. Costanza well, that interests me very much, mr. Farkus. Very much indeed, sir. Rose and when seinfeld came along, who could tell the uplifting story of davids brief bra career better than his favorite jerk, george costanza. Costanza from the first time i laid eyes on a brassiere, i was enthralled. laughter i knew i wanted to be around brassieres. Farkus thats an incredible story. Rose fortunately, larry david chose television over bras. It brought him fame and many millions of dollars, almost everything. Did it change you . David i mean, it gave me money. Rose yeah, of course it did. Lots of money. David but. But. Rose but confidence, a sense that. David it gave me something. Rose yeah david it gave me something that i didnt have, but not in the way that. That people think, that, oh, man, i just. Like a total transformation. Rose but then you tell me. David it wasnt that at all. I still, you know. To this day, i still couldnt walk up to a woman at a bar and say hello you know, so i dont have that. But i feel. Rose yes, you do. David no, i do not. Rose yes, you do. David oh, no rose you know why . David huh . Dont. I dont. Charlie, dont argue with me on this one, baby. laughter oh, hey. Hey, doc. Rose and whether hes personally a jerk or not, larry david or Norman Drexel or whoever he is, has figured one thing out. What are you doing, giving me a tip . David yeah. Rose . Jerks make for great comedy. David i thought it was customary. I can assure you it is not customary. Rose his play starts with a man on his deathbed; we end on a similar light note. So, on your tombstone, first line is going to be writer . David oh, god. Oh, oh. I dont know. Writer, really . Is that what people put on tombstones, their occupation . Rose no, what they love. David oh, what they love. What they love . I like to watch tv. I like baseball. Rose here lies larry david. David yeah. Rose he liked to watch tv. Or here lies larry david. David yeah. Rose . He liked to make people laugh. David oh, charlie. Rose and keeping it all in the family, for the last few weeks of his plays run, david will be replaced by his old alter ego, that jerk george costanza, alias jason alexander. Charlie rose talks about interviewing someone who doesnt want to talk. You know what . Your ruining my day off, okay . Thats what youre doing. Go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by pfizer. S made for Better Things than the pain, stiffness and joint damage of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. 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