To publicly question the engineering behind our smartphones, apps and social media platforms. He says theyre built to be addictive, and warns of long term consequences for us and our families. Never before in history have a handful of people at a handful of Technology Companies shaped how a billion people think and feel every day with the choices they make about these screens. Bruno mars may be the hottest lucky man in show business. And when you hear how he grew up youll understand why this fullback never takes anything for granted. Your house. I just really care about what people see. I want them to know that im. Im working hard for this. The artists that i look up to like, you know, michael, prince, james brown theyre not phoning it in. Theyre going up there to murder anybody that performs after them or performs before them. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im anderson cooper. Im lara logan. Im scott pelley. Those stories, tonight on 60 minutes. [beeping] wow. 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Such a weapon could eventually carry a Nuclear Warhead and threaten american cities. U. S. Defense secretary jim mattis called that possibility and the missiles kim has aimed at south korea a clear and present danger to the world. As we first reported in february, we went to south korea and saw how tense the situation has become. We got two important perspectives from the commander of the 28,000 american troops there, and the highestranking north korean to defect in decades. He told us kims Missile Program is part of an obsession with the survival of his regime. Thae yongho ive been in seoul for six months, and to be honest, i was never public until now. Whitaker we went for an evening out in seoul with thae yongho. He was north Koreas Deputy ambassador in london before he defected in august. A defection by someone of his rank is extremely rare. This was the first time he had walked about in public. Just off camera, six bodyguards watched his every move, as we made our way down one of the busiest shopping streets in asia. North korea has assassinated defectors in seoul. Thae yongho in order to prevent more possible defections from north korea i think kim jongun will do anything. Whitaker even kill you . Thae yongho of course. Why not . Whitaker the man who could order an assassination is kim jongun. The dictator is the third member of the kim family to rule north korea. They have controlled the impoverished country with an ironclad fist for 70 years. This missile test was in february. Kim devotes a quarter of his countrys economy to weapons like this, and his million man army, despite widespread food shortages. Thae yongho kim jongun strongly believes that once he possesses i. C. B. M. , then he can easily scare off america. Whitaker right now, how dangerous is north korea to the stability of south korea and as a threat to the United States . Thae yongho kim jonguns capability to wreak harm, not only to america but also to south korea and the world, should not be underestimated. Whitaker during his five years in power, kim jongun has expanded north Koreas Nuclear arsenal, despite International Sanctions that have brought his countrys economy to its knees. Electricity is scarce. From space, north korea is a black hole. Thats it, wedged between the shining lights of south korea, and china to the north. Thae said he was living a comfortable life here at the north Korean Embassy in london before he fled with his wife and two grown sons. His job in london was to spread north korean propaganda, and report back on his colleagues. You all live together under one roof . Thae yongho yes. Whitaker so you could keep an eye on each other . Thae yongho keep an eye on each other, control each other, and even spy on each other. Whitaker but thae said he lost all faith in the regime when kim jongun killed his own uncle in 2013, and executed dozens of perceived enemies, including diplomats. I have seen tape of you thae yongho yes. Whitaker giving speeches in london. Youre very convincing. You seem to be a true believer yourself. Thae yongho if i show any sign of hesitation, then i would be, you know, sent to whitaker what would happen to you . Thae yongho i would be sent to prison camps. So my whole familys life will be jeopardized. Whitaker thae said there was one big obstacle to his defection. Thae yongho all north korean diplomats are forced to leave one of their children back in pyongyang as a hostage. Whitaker as a hostage . Thae yongho yes. Whitaker his break came when that policy unexpectedly changed, and thaes oldest son was allowed to join the family in london. They all agreed to defect. He would not give us the details of his escape and who helped, but we know he was kept in a safe house by south korean intelligence agents and questioned for more than three months. He said it was too dangerous for us to meet his family. Now, ive been talking to you for a couple of days now. You come from a secretive place. Thae yongho yes. Whitaker but i think you still have lots of secrets. Thae yongho sure. Yes. Whitaker how do we know that what he is telling us is the truth, not just selfserving . Chung min lee you know, when a defector makes a decision to jump ship, he is doing it at a huge cost, his coworkers or relatives, inlaws will be purged or killed. Whitaker chung min lee was south koreas ambassador for National Security until last year. He said looks here can be deceiving. The risk of war today is exceptionally high. I think most americans right now would see this as a holdover from the cold war. But it seems to be quite hot when youre here. Chung min lee thats right. This is the only place on the entire planet where you have nearly a million forces on both sides standing, ready to fight a war in basically a nanosecond. And who is there right in the middle of this . Its basically the u. S. Forces. Whitaker lee helped shape seouls policy toward north korea. He went with us to panmunjom, the village in the two and a half mile wide Demilitarized Zone that separates north and south korea. As we got closer, seouls sprawl gave way to military check points. The agreement that suspended the korean war was signed here. But theres still no peace treaty. The war began when the communist north invaded in 1950. 34,000 americans were killed in what amounted to a stalemate. Chung min lee so this is the longest war on paper since world war ii. So we are still technically in a state of war. Whitaker today both sides still stare each other down. Thats north korea right there, that building just 100 yards away. We were told to avoid sudden movements that could be interpreted as threatening. It wasnt long before north korean soldiers took an interest in all the activity. So we went inside a negotiation hut that straddles the border. What is right behind the door . Chung min lee right behind the door is, basically from there this is north korea. Once you go out, thats it. We have no jurisdiction on that side of the door. Whitaker so if i were to walk out that door . Chung min lee thats it. Whitaker im in the hands of north korea . Chung min lee thats true. Whitaker lets stay on this side. It was all surreal. This part of the d. M. Z. Closest to seoul had the feel of a cold war theme park complete with a fake village on the north korean side built to impress the south. And in case you missed the point, loudspeakers blared propaganda marshal songs praising kim jongun. A few miles away, tourists crowded an observation deck, snapping photos with troops, cardboard cutouts, and the real ones. What the visitors could not see on the other side of those mountains are 10,000 artillery pieces the north Korean Military has aimed at seoul. All of which could reach the 28 Million People in and around the south korean capital. U. S. War planners estimate 500,000 people could be killed in a second korean war. Is there any other metropolitan area on earth this vulnerable . James slife certainly nothing that approaches seoul in terms of the size, the density of the population. Theres nothing like it. Whitaker u. S. Air force general james slife flew with us over the city. Its just 30 miles from the d. M. Z. We landed at Osan Air Base where korean airmen and their american colleagues monitor all activity north of the d. M. Z. For security, they shut off the giant video displays right before we came in. This facility is among the first to detect north Korean Missile launches. Youre, like, on a war footing all the time. Slife thats right. This is truly one of those places where the best way to prevent a war is being ready for a war. Whitaker the norths latest missile tests used a new type of solid fuel engine and were fired from mobile launchers, making them quick to deploy and difficult for u. S. Satellites to detect in realtime. Slife with the development of ballistic missiles, with the development of nuclear weapons, things here have a tension that you can feel in the air as you move around places like this. Whitaker we wanted to talk to the general who leads u. S. Forces in korea and would command korean troops in the event of a war. He asked to meet us at guard post four. Its a citadel on critical high ground at the end of a road lined with land mines. We were the First American news crew allowed in. This was no cold war theme park. Body armor was required and artillery was on standby in the event we came under fire. General vincent brooks has commanded u. S. Forces fighting in iraq and afghanistan. I dont think people at home know how tense this line is. Vincent brooks what it takes to go from the condition were in at this moment to hostilities again, is literally the matter of a decision on north koreas side to say fire. And on top of this, we have the missile capability thats been developed, over 120 missiles fired just in the time of kim jongun alone. Whitaker so now theyre talking about i. C. B. M. S that might be able to reach the west coast of the United States. How do you stop them from taking that next step . Brooks north koreas responsible for the direction that the region is going. It is responsible for the conditions of instability that are starting to arise. It has to take responsibility for that and stop. Whitaker his country is poor. His people are starving. What is it that he wants . Brooks survival whitaker survival. Brooks and recognition. Whitaker kim jongun is now recognized as a global threat. U. S. Intelligence estimates he has at least ten nuclear weapons. If the u. S. Decided it had no choice but to launch a pre emptive strike on an i. C. B. M. Test site, it could trigger the unthinkable. Brooks if north korea uses nuclear weapons, it will be met with an effective and overwhelming response. Now they can take it to the bank. We make that same point to our allies and partners, like the republic of korea and like japan. Whitaker effective and overwhelming response . Brooks effective and overwhelming response. Whitaker wipe north korea off the map . Brooks whatever overwhelms you. Whitaker that warning rang in our ears as we returned to seoul and met one last time with defector thae yongho. We asked about his brother and sister, still in north korea. What do you think has happened to them . Thae yongho they will be sent to prison camps. That is what i am absolutely sure. Whitaker does that weigh on you . Thae yongho of course. Yes. I cannot get rid of that kind of nightmare after night of seeing my brother and sister in prison camps. Whitaker thae told us he believes he can help topple the north korean regime by encouraging other defections and speaking out. During the campaign, President Trump called kim jongun a maniac. His language has been much more careful since the latest missile tests. Join the 60 minutes team under the watchful eyes and loaded guns of the north korean army. You are watching a very on 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by pfizer. Your body was made for Better Things than rheumatoid arthritis. Before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz is right for you. Xeljanz is a small pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. Xeljanz can reduce joint pain and swelling in as little as two weeks, and help stop further joint damage. Xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. Dont start xeljanz if you have an infection. 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According to a former google product manager you are about to hear from, Silicon Valley is engineering your phone, apps and social media to get you hooked. As we first reported in april, he is one of the few tech insiders to publicly acknowledge that the companies responsible for programming your phones are working hard to get you to feel the need to check in constantly. Some programmers call it brain hacking, and the tech world would probably prefer you didnt hear about it. But Tristan Harris openly questions the longterm consequences of it all, and we think its worth putting down your phone to listen. Tristan harris this thing is a slot machine. Cooper how is that a slot machine . Harris well, every time i check my phone, im playing the slot machine to see, what did i get . This is one way to hijack peoples minds and create a habit, to form a habit. What you do is you make it so when someone pulls a lever, sometimes they get a reward, an exciting reward. And it turns out that this design technique can be embedded inside of all these products. Cooper the rewards harris is talking about are a big part of what makes smartphones so appealing. The chance of getting likes on facebook and instagram. Cute emojis in Text Messages. And new followers on twitter. Harris theres a whole playbook of techniques that get used to get you using the product for as long as possible. Cooper what kind of techniques are used . Harris so, snapchats the most popular messaging service for teenagers, and they invented this feature called streaks, which shows the number of days in a row that youve sent a message back and forth with someone. So now you could say, well, whats the big deal here . Well, the problem is that kids feel like, well, now i dont want to lose my streak. But it turns out that kids, actually, when they go on vacation, are so stressed about their streak that they actually give their password to, like, five other kids to keep their streaks going on their behalf. And so, you could ask when these features are being designed, are they designed to most help people live their life . Or are they being designed because theyre best at hooking people into using the product . Cooper is Silicon Valley programming apps or are they programming people . Harris inadvertently, whether they want to or not, they are shaping the thoughts and feelings and actions of people. They are programming people. Theres always this narrative that technology is neutral, and its up to us to choose how we use it. This is just not true. Cooper technologys not neutral . Harris its not neutral. They want you to use it in particular ways, and for long periods of time, because thats how they make their money. Cooper its rare for a tech insider to be so blunt, but Tristan Harris believes someone needs to be. A few years ago, he was living the Silicon Valley dream. He dropped out of a Masters Program at Stanford University to start a software company. Four years later, google bought him out and hired him as a product manager. It was while working there he started to feel overwhelmed. Harris honestly, i was just bombarded in email and calendar invitations, and just the overload of what its like to work at a place like google. And i was asking, when is all of this adding up to, like, an actual benefit to my life . And i ended up making this presentation, it was kind of a manifesto, and it basically said, you know, look, never before in history have a handful of people at a handful of Technology Companies shaped how a billion people think and feel every day with the choices they make about these screens. Cooper his 144page presentation argued that the constant distractions of apps and emails are weakening our relationships to each other, and destroying our kids ability to focus. It was widely read inside google, and caught the eye of one of the founders, larry page. But harris told us it didnt lead to any changes, and after three years, he quit. Harris and its not because anyone is evil or has bad intentions. Its because the game is getting attention at all costs. And the problem is, it becomes this race to the bottom of the brainstem, where if i go lower on the brainstem to get you, you know, using my product, i win. But it doesnt end up in the world we want to live in. We dont end up feeling good about how were using all this stuff. Cooper you call this a race to the bottom of the brainstem. Its a race to the most primitive emotions we have . Fear, anxiety, loneliness, all these things . Harris absolutely. And thats, again, because in the race for attention, i have to do whatever works. It absolutely wants one thing, which is your attention. Cooper now he travels the country trying to convince programmers and anyone else who will listen that the Business Model of Tech Companies needs to change. He wants products designed to make the best use of our time, not just grab our attention. Do you think parents understand the complexities of what their kids are dealing with, when theyre dealing with their phone, dealing with apps and social media . Harris no. And i think this is really important. Because theres a narrative that, oh, i guess theyre just doing this like we used to gossip on the phone. But what this misses is that your telephone in the 1970s didnt have a thousand engineers on the other side of the telephone, who were redesigning it to work with other telephones and then updating the way your telephone worked every day to be more and more persuasive. That was not true in the 1970s. Cooper how many Silicon Valley insiders are there speaking out like you are . Harris not that many. Cooper we reached out to the biggest tech firms, but none would speak on the record and some didnt even return our phone call. Most Tech Companies say their priority is improving user experience, something they call engagement, but they remain secretive about what they do to keep people glued to their screens. So we went to venice, california, where the body builders on the beach are being muscled out by Small Companies that specialize in what ramsay brown calls brain hacking. Ramsay brown a Computer Programmer who now understands how the brain works, knows how to write code that will get the brain to do certain things. Cooper ramsay brown studied neuroscience before cofounding dopamine labs, a startup crammed into a garage. The company is named after the dopamine molecule in our brains that aids in the creation of desire and pleasure. Brown and his colleagues write computer code for apps used by Fitness Companies and financial firms. The programs are designed to provoke a neurological response. Youre trying to figure out how to get people coming back to use the screen . Brown when should i make you feel a little extra awesome, to get you to come back into the app longer . Cooper the computer code he creates finds the best moment to give you one of those rewards which have no actual value, but brown says trigger your brain to make you want more. For example, on instagram, he told us sometimes those likes come in a sudden rush. Brown theyre holding some of them back for you, to let you know later in a big burst. Like, hey, heres the 30 likes we didnt mention from a little while ago. Why that moment cooper so all of a sudden, you get a big burst of likes . Brown yeah, but why that moment . Theres some algorithm somewhere that predicted, hey, for this user right now who is experimental subject 79b3 in experiment 231, we think we can see an improvement in his behavior if you give it to him in this burst instead of that burst. Cooper when brown says experiments, hes talking generally about the millions of computer calculations being used every moment by his company and others to constantly tweak your online experience and make you come back for more. Brown youre part of a controlled set of experiments that are happening in real time, across you and millions of other people. Cooper were guinea pigs . Brown youre guinea pigs. You are guinea pigs in the box, pushing the button and sometimes getting the likes. And theyre doing this to keep you in there. Cooper the longer we look at our screens, the more Data Companies collect about us, and the more ads we see. Ad spending on social media has doubled in just two years to more than 31 billion. Brown you dont pay for facebook. Advertisers pay for facebook. You get to use it for free because your eyeballs are whats being sold, there. Cooper thats an interesting way to look at it, that youre not the customer for facebook. Brown youre not the customer. You dont sign a check to facebook. But cocacola does. Cooper brown says theres a reason texts and facebook use a continuous scroll because its a proven way to keep you searching longer. Brown you spend half your time on facebook just scrolling to find one good piece worth looking at. Its happening because they are engineered to become addictive. Cooper youre almost saying it like theres an addiction code. Brown yeah, that is the case. That, since weve figured out, to some extent, how these pieces of the brain that handle addiction are working, people have figured out how to juice them further and how to bake that information into apps. Larry rosen dinner table could be a technologyfree zone. Cooper while brown is tapping into the power of dopamine, psychologist larry rosen and his team at california state universitydominguez hills are researching the Effect Technology has on our anxiety levels. Rosen were looking at the impact of technology through the brain. Cooper rosen told us, when you put your phone down, your brain signals your adrenal gland to produce a burst of a hormone called cortisol, which has an evolutionary purpose. Cortisol triggers a fightor flight response to danger. How does cortisol relate to a mobile device, a phone . Rosen what we find is the typical person checks their phone every 15 minutes or less, and half of the time they check their phone, there is no alert, no notification. Its coming from inside their head, telling them, gee, i havent checked on facebook in a while. I havent checked on this twitter feed for a while. I wonder if somebody commented on my instagram post. That then generates cortisol and it starts to make you anxious, and eventually your goal is to get rid of that anxiety, so you check in. Cooper so the same hormone that made primitive man anxious and hyperaware of his surroundings to keep him from being eaten by lions, is today compelling rosens students and all of us to continually peek at our phones to relieve our anxiety. Rosen when you put the phone down, you dont shut off your brain, you just put the phone down. Cooper can i be honest with you right now . I havent paid attention to what youre saying because i just realized my phone is right down by my right foot and i havent checked it in, like, ten minutes. Rosen and it makes you anxious. Cooper im a little anxious. Rosen yes. Cooper we found out just how anxious, in this experiment conducted by rosens research colleague, nancy cheever. Nancy cheever so the first thing im going to do is apply these electrodes to your fingers. Cooper while i watched a video, a computer tracked minute changes in my heart rate and perspiration. What i didnt know was that cheever was sending Text Messages to my phone, which was just out of reach. Every time my text notification went off, the blue line spiked, indicating anxiety caused in part by the release of cortisol. Cheever oh, that one is thats a huge spike right there. And you can imagine what thats doing to your body, every time you get a text message. You probably cant even feel it, right . Because its such a its a small amount of arousal. Cooper thats fascinating. Their research suggests, our phones are keeping us in a continual state of anxiety, in which the only antidote. Is the phone. Is it known what the impact of all this Technology Use is . Rosen absolutely not. Cooper its too soon. Rosen were all part of this big experiment. Cooper what is this doing to a young mind, or a teenager . Rosen well theres some projects going on where theyre actually scanning teenagers brains over a 20year period, and looking to see what kind of changes theyre finding. Gabe zichermann heres the reality. Corporations and creators of content have, since the beginning of time, wanted to make their content as engaging as possible. Cooper Gabe Zichermann has worked with dozens of companies, including apple and cbs, to make their online products more irresistible. Hes best known in Silicon Valley for his expertise in something called gamification, using techniques from video games to insert fun and competition into almost everything on your smartphone. Zichermann so one of the interesting things about gamification and other engaging technologies, is at the same time as we can argue that the neuroscience is being used to create dependent behavior, those same techniques are being used to get people to work out, you know, using their fitbit. So all of these technologies, all the techniques for engagement can be used for good, or can be used for bad. Cooper zichermann is now working on software called onward, designed to break users bad habits. It will track a persons activity and can recommend they do Something Else when theyre spending too much time online. Zichermann i think creators have to be liberated to make their content as good as possible. Cooper the idea that a tech company is not going to try to make their product as persuasive, as engaging as possible, youre just saying thats not going to happen . Zichermann asking Technology Companies, asking content creators to be less good at what they do feels like a ridiculous ask. It feels impossible. And also, its very anti capitalistic. This isnt the system that we live in. Cooper ramsay brown and his garage startup, dopamine labs, made a habitbreaking app as well. Its called space and it creates a 12second delay what brown calls a moment of zen before any social media app launches. In january, he tried to convince apple to sell it in their app store. Brown and they rejected it from the app store because they told us any app that would encourage people to use other apps or their iphone less was unacceptable for distribution in the app store. Cooper they actually said that to you . Brown they said that to us. They did not want us to give out this thing that was going to make people less stuck on their phones. Cooper a few days after our story first aired, apple called to tell us it had a change of heart and made Space Available in its app store. This cbs sports update is brought to you by the lincoln motor company. Hell loy, everyone. Im bill macatee with backtoback rounds of 66 today in memphis. Daniel berg berger has won his second consecutive fedex classic. 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I want them to know that im im working hard for this. uptown funk the artists that i look up to, like, you know, michael, prince, james brown. You watch them, and you understand that theyre paying attention to the details of their art. And they care so much about what theyre wearing, about how theyre moving, about how theyre making the audience feel. Theyre not phoning it in. Theyre going up there to murder anybody that performs after them or performs before them. Thats what ive watched my whole life, and admired. Logan he is a throwback. You see it in the choreography on stage locked out of heaven and hear it in the songs themselves, descendants of the generations that came before him. locked out of heaven logan when i listen to your songs mars uhhuh . Logan you can hear all those people that youve listened to mars yeah. Logan over the years. Mars a lot of people are really quick to say, that song sounds like this. Or you hes tryin to sound like this. And im always like, youre damn right i am. Thats how thats why were all here. You know, we all grew up idolizing another musician. Thats how this works. Thats how music is created. Logan the musical education of bruno mars began in his hometown honolulu, hawaii. He was born peter hernandez, to a puerto rican father and philippino mother parents who were professional musicians, performing together in the tourist showrooms of waikiki beach. Their act was called the love notes, and when bruno was four years old, his parents included him in the family business. blue suede shoes he played little elvis and its when he first learned he could steal the show. hound dog the little elvis routine lasted six years, but the lessons of his parents vegas style waikiki entertainment revue, have lasted a lifetime. Mars you know, it was, like, school of rock for me. And it was just this kind of razzledazzle lifestyle. Logan thats real showbiz. Mars yeah, show business. You know . Logan right . Mars and if you wasnt hitting those notes and the audience wasnt freakin out, then you werent doing it right. Logan by the time he turned 12, his parents divorced and the family band broke up. Money was tight. His four sisters moved in with his mom. He and his brother lived with his dad on top of this building . Mars on top of this building. Logan anywhere they could. Mars my dad was just the king of finding these little spots for us to stay that we should never have been staying at. Logan but you were, like, Homeless People . Mars yeah. No. Yeah, for sure. We was in a limousine once. 1984 limousine. Logan sleeping in the back of a car, on top of buildings, and this place so this is where you lived . Paradise park, a bird zoo where his dad took a job. This was the first time hed been back here since. Even people who work with him havent heard this part of his story. Mars where we were staying at first logan yeah . Mars didnt have a bathroom. So wed have to walk across the park to this other spot that had a bathroom. Logan wow. Mars in the in logan and sometimes in the middle of the night. Mars in the middle of the night. Logan when the park closed, they stayed, moving into this oneroom building. This was your house . Mars yeah. Logan they lived here for more than two years. Mars just so people dont think were crazy logan yeah . Mars it did not look like this. Logan it had a roof . Mars it had a roof. Logan it didnt have plants growing inside . Mars it didnt have plants growing inside. I dont know what happened to the roof, but the bed would be right there in the middle. Logan yeah . And youd all sleep in one bed . Mars wed all sleep in one bed. Logan happy memories . Mars the best. Logan thats is kind of amazing, in that, what you remember about it is not the struggle or the things you didnt have. Mars naw logan its all the things you you had. Mars yeah. We had it all, you know. We had each other and it never felt like it was the end of the world. Its all right we dont got dont got electric today. Its all right. Its temporary. Sayin, well, were going to figure this out. Maybe thats why i have this mentality when it comes to the music. Because i know im going to figure im going to figure it out, just give me some time. Logan as soon as he graduated high school, he left the waikiki showrooms, and hawaii altogether. You couldve stayed here, right . Mars and be logan and you could mars very happy. Logan yeah . And made a good living, and and done what your dad did, and been a big star in hawaii . Mars i wanted to go for it. Logan you wanted more . Mars i wanted more. And my family pushed me. And this island pushed me. Logan how . Mars these are my people, and this is my culture, and i want to represent them. I want people to think of hawaii and think of palm trees and laughter magical islands and and bruno mars. Logan so he headed for los angeles, where he was quickly signed by motown records. Gone was his given name of peter hernandez, branding himself bruno mars instead. Bruno, his childhood nickname, mars, shooting for the stars. The name stuck, but the record contract didnt. Motown dropped him. Mars i dont blame motown. I dont i i was sim its simply, i wasnt ready yet. I think everybody dont know what color i am. Its like, hes not black enough, hes not white enough. Hes got a latin last name but he doesnt have he doesnt speak spanish. Who are we selling this to . Are you making urban music . Are you making pop music . What kind of music are you making . Logan with no hit songs of his own and dead broke, he started over, writing and producing songs for other artists, with friends ari levine and philip lawrence. They were starving musicians. Inspired by the hustle just to pay for food, they came up with this song billionaire it led to another record deal of his own. just the way you are. his career as a songwriter and performer was finally on track. just the way you are. about that time though, he was arrested for possession of 2. 5 grams of cocaine. Logan from the outside, you really seem to keep it together and to be very professional and, you know, very committed, but you nearly threw it all away. Mars i did something very stupid. Im in las vegas, lara. Im 24 years old. Im, you know, drinking way more than im supposed to be drinking and it was so early in my career and i always say that i think it had to happen. That was the reality check i needed, and im i promised myself that that you know, you aint never going to read about that again. grenade logan headlines for hits, not drug busts have been his narrative ever since, capped by two super bowl halftime performances in three years; and five grammys, including record of the year for his collaboration with producer mark ronson, uptown funk. Its the biggest hit in a career full of them. uptown funk how difficult is it to write a song thats great . Mars uptown funk took us almost a year to write. And theres songs that taken thats taken us two hours to write. And we throw em away. Uptown funk was in the trashcan about ten times. Logan really . Mars yeah. Logan why . Mars because we made a lot of you know, you can make a left turn and all of a sudden this song is something terrible. Embarrassing, almost. But you have this one thing that keeps you going, this one part of the song that feels so good and it makes you want to keep going. And it makes you want ah, we should just try again. Lets try again, lets try again. Logan he told us the conception of much of his music begins, in this california recording studio. Mars this is it, lara. Logan over the last two years, he has been on lockdown here, trying to answer the challenge created from his run of big hits, especially uptown funk. Mars this album, it was daunting, because coming off of uptown funk was like the biggest song ive ever been a part of. And then, youre like, all right, now what are you going to do . 24k magic logan this is what he came up with. 24k magic his latest album is called 24 karat magic. The title song is already another massive hit. 24k magic he showed us how they built the song, from the drums up. Mars thats how it starts. Logan and then . Mars well, come on, come on 24k magic and then we could put some sparkle on it. Like, put a little magic dust on it. Hear that . 24k magic drums and bass is locking, right . Logan yes. Mars feel good yet . Logan yes mars then you add the sauce, the secret sauce. You ready . 24k magic thats it. 24k magic 24k magic showtime guess whos back again . Logan its easy to see that bruno mars loves the only job hes ever wanted, and that hes still driven, to get it right. Mars i was built for this, lara. Its dedicating yourself to your craft. Spending thousands of hours in a studio learning how to write a song, learning how to play different chords, training yourself to sing. You know, to get better and better. Logan are you there . Mars no. Im not even close. Goodnight, yall i was always the girl with psoriasis. People dont stare anymore. I never joined in. That wasnt fair to any of us. I was covered. I tried lots of things over the years. But i didnt give up. I kept on fighting. I found something that worked. That still works. Now . See me. See me. I found clear skin that lasts. 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