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An f.b.i. Counterintelligence agent was removed this summer from Special Counsel Robert Muller's team investigating Russian election meddling after the discovery of an exchange of anti Trump text messages c.b.s. News Senior Legal Analyst Andrew Cohen this is precisely the sort of story the president's supporters in and out of office will cite as proof in their view that the f.b.i. Probe is a partisan and biased on the other hand Special Counsel Robert Mueller acted immediately here when he discovered the problem the swift removal apparently reflects a desire to insulate the investigators from any claims of political bias or favoritism it's controversial but the Senate has passed a nearly want to have trillion dollar Republican tax bill that's historic in scope and an urgent political priority for President Trump in the g.o.p. C.b.s. News correspondent Errol Barnett not all Americans will see equal financial gains the corporate tax cut from 35 to 20 percent is permanent that individuals and families would get a temporary tax cut it's estimated a family of 4 owning $75000.00 annually would initially get a tax break averaging $2200.00 but only until 2025 it now has to be reconciled with a House bill Former President Obama has taken a swipe at his successor over the issue of climate change or his speech in Paris Mr Obama says he regrets what he calls a temporary absence of American leadership on climate change but says local officials have stepped up we are absolutely on target to meet our goals because of the actions that are taking place at the local and state levels and because businesses recognize that this is good business sense to invest in clean energy he did not mention President Trump by name in his speech the Metropolitan Opera says it's looking into reports that its legendary music director James Lavonne is accused of molesting a teenage boy in the 1980 s. 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It's very kind of hello everybody I'm Larry Kudlow Welcome back this is a Larry Kudlow show as always great pleasure to be with you lots and lots to talk about as we usually do this was a particularly interesting as and Porton week I guess I'm back to am 2 am last night. Senate finally voted for the tax cuts believe the count was $5150.00 Republicans lost only one vote that was Senator Corker of Tennessee who cares he's retiring anyway when the want to see so blah Blah blah blah but they got 51 votes that's it it's going to go over to the house for going to have a conference and I tell you this. Waiting for Senator Roy Blunt a key member. Kay member of the Republican Senate leadership is going to tell us some of the ventures from last evening and where we're going to go from here into conference and one of the most contentious issues that he thinks to face biologist hey this make it real simple we're going to get a tax cut bill we're going to get a tax cut bill before Christmas and we're going to get a tax cut bill with glitches and all that actually has an extremely strong pro growth incentive oriented business side which going to account for about 85 or 90 percent of the growth and will create an investment boom in the USA we have had any real investment since the year 2000 we had any were productivity we haven't had any worries near higher real wages the business side of this bill 20 percent corporate tax less than 30 percent small business passed Rose repatriation and made it expensing for new and Quitman Cap Ex right there that's all I care about it's what we developed in the trunk campaign in the summer of 2016 . Directly attacked the lack of investment and will bring American money back home it will bring foreign money here we will have an investment boom and here's my point this investment boom well help every single working America of whom there's about 155 some odd 1000000 Everybody wins everybody wins I don't like targeted tax credits we could done a lot better on the invalid's individual side cut marginal tax rates but the reality is the business side is what matters it's always what mattered Oh it was the basis of President Trump then candidate Trump we're not going to get 2 percent growth we're going to get 3 percent or 4 percent or 5 percent the title of my column which is out last night and this morning I vote for it and you should do this tax plan will spark an investment boom that will benefit every single working American and will create new job opportunities for non working Americans and will create more productivity and therefore with the workforce getting more capital for better technology job training learning everyone will benefit all right so that's my very quick opening because I'm going to cede the rest of my time. To a great friend and Senate Leader Senator Roy Blunt of Missouri Mr Blunt as a member of the Republican leadership he had me in for a breakfast couple 3 weeks ago maybe we snag devoted to who knows but Senator Blunt 1st and last say yes or no you're up so about 2 o'clock in the morning maybe later now congratulations Ok congratulations you did what nobody believed you could do a month or 2 ago congrats or well you were helpful when you came by and and the opportunity to talk with a number of Republican senators about growth potential in the country and how. We don't want to get into a view where we think the Obama economy is the new American economy I think this this tax bill is relatively easy now the conference with the house and has unbelievable potential to come right behind the regulatory efforts the president and the Congress has played a greater sense that the courts are going to decide cases based on what the law says and now this incredibly international competitive environment that we're moving into I'd like it's very exciting and your advice and your enthusiasm for what we could do was very helpful I think and putting that last few votes together and helping Republican senators know what the real impact of this could be Larry well I mean I get I get maybe a small check mark you all did a heavy lesson but I was very pleased to see the miles friend good friend Senator Susan Collins of Maine voted for we got her. Well exactly. I think I think all Republican senators wanted to get there on I think it's unfortunate for the Democrats that should have voted for this that they decided this was going to be such a partisan messaging issues and they really couldn't join us in talking about what can happen to the country and about to happen in the country and you know Senator Collins was one of the last people to announce what she was going to do but that the one of the 2 the vice president was in the building but not necessary to get this job done last night and I'm sure he was pleased that he didn't have to be the deciding vote he would have been more than happy to be but to see Republican senators doing this and doing this almost unanimously and having the votes we needed very important but what's way more 'd important is what this can mean to our economy you know there are 2 ways to increase take home pay and $1.00 is to take less money out of the paycheck for working families which is going to start happening in January and 2 is to have a better paycheck to start with and I think we're going to see that happen quicker than people would imagine just because of the important moment we're in and the United States once again will become without I think any question the number one place to invest capital in the world. Or sandblast I think doesn't exactly the key points just a couple of questions on that. If this thing is done before Christmas which it looks like it will be done before Christmas which is terrific Is there any retroactive provision will just start January 1st 2018. Well the current bill starts January 1st 2018 and I think that's probably what needs to happen now but what really needs to happen as we need to get this done this year we don't need to drag this into next year we haven't seen the final product yet but the House and Senate bill are very close together making tax reform the international competitive tax reform permanent the territorial system a rate that now puts us back in the middle of the countries we compete with just where Larry you'll remember that's where we were in 1986 with 35 percent was in the middle of the pack and you know it may not have been a bad number in 1986 become a really bad number by 2017 yes or and yes it looks like we're going to be able to do that in a way where it's permanent and move forward seeing people bring profits home with every incentive to bring profits of been stranded overseas back to the United States we've never had a stimulus package that has the potential that this has to bring back your estimate would be better than mine but somewhere certainly in the neighborhood of a trillion dollars and maybe several dollars beyond that coming back into our economy to be used in a way that will make sense for the people who have money and are ready to invest and spend it in the 1st year to center blunt I'm estimating not last than $3.00 trillion dollars of repatriated cash we've got $700.00 American companies registered domicile that are full of that value and we've made it picked up some from the Cayman Islands and fact I think the Joint Tax Committee has sown badly asked the maid of all these international laws. You know sort of but they don't have neither the c b o nor the Joint Tax Committee nor really the Tax Foundation and they don't have any good modeling of international capital flows they don't have any good modeling on how great this is going to be I mean I think right there you're going to make 40450000000000 and revenues that are not being scored or right there and I think that's a huge thing you're selling it right you sound like an economist I could save it better and you just have a couple of those things here my friend Senator Ron Johnson I'm sure is a friend of yours I know he was you know fighting to the end for his own interest but I must say a 23 percent deduction for the subchapter s. Passed through as a Satcher really gets the small businesses effectively below 30 percent I just think that I know it came towards the end I know is a bit difficult to do but I think that's a big plus or small business going to play a major role in this investment boom that I'm predicting. Well you know Missouri where I live 97 percent of the business is that that small business criteria that's where the most job growth always is and will continue to be and I think trying to figure out how we keep everybody as close as competitive as we can with the what the American companies are competing with as well as the world wide companies are competing with a fairly hard balance to hit but I think Senator Johnson Center James and the Chairman Hatch working with them. Found that balance we'll see as we implement this who got left out of who is who is in that competition with the person next door that isn't competing in the same fairway but I'm pleased with the 23 percent the the small businesses the past 3 businesses that we're concerned with the initial Senate and House bill I think are feeling pretty good this morning looking at what's ahead of them as they try to compete and by the way a lot of our exports are those very same small businesses there are major export others as well as Major people who compete in this domestic marketplace some pretty big in that pass through world and some not so big but all benefit from this new ability to put more money right back into their business center right you're talking to on the path through. That's me exactly that's me exactly and I think in the last 24 hours I made a buck. There is nothing wrong with having profit and I think what our friends on the other side of the aisle of the Joint Tax Committee and the Congressional Budget Office really don't understand is the dynamic impact of people making money and investing that money back in the economy if we get into anything close to the growth an average of $4.00 decades since World War 2 or even the growth average of the entire 20th century. We're going to have lots of competition for the workforce. People who are seeing their wages stagnant for the last 8 or 9 years are going to begin to see employers much more interested in attracting them and keeping them and that's the kind of American economy we want if we could punishing and vestment Mr Blunt then you're going to get stronger business investment higher productivity and higher real wages and if you go back to the year Roy if you go back to 2000 that's the peak and business equipment investment product to Vittie and real worker wages have barely I mean barely increased and this whole really increases right now I mean this whole business side of the tax cut is directly directly. At the wage earners and the productivity we're going to give more capital per worker and that to business investment story Fred Smith as you know the c.e.o. Famous c.e.o. Of Fed Ex has always said quit punishing invest with this bill we have quit punishing investment and that's why I believe sir we're gone back to 3 to 4 percent growth and there are some glitches in this bill there's stuff that I may not like or others may not like but the reality is the big picture and investment boom is going to create 3 or 4 percent growth you know it's Or you're going to see revenues coming in that will more than pay for this package over the next 10 years I'm here to guarantee you I'm confident I'm confident that's right and the way to increase federal revenue is not increase taxes it's increased incomes that people are making and increased the number of people who are paying taxes I think this is what will happen here what I'm what I mean you're right in saying that there's more capital on the sidelines than any time in American history and there's more u.s. Capital ready to come back into the country than any time in American history than any time in history by far I mean I'm going to tell you we've been through these numbers and this and that and this and that and as I say these CVO Joint Tax things do not they have they have no real component in their model for international capital flows but you know what Sir I think the bidding on this is going to start a 3 trillion dollars And so if I apply an average rate of 10 percent I just got to $300000000000.00 but I think it's going to be more than that and I think it's going to be in the 1st year or 2 serve the Joint Tax Committee doesn't get it they haven't scored it let me ask you I don't want to hold you I know you're all tired we're so grateful you're come on today is there any chance in the conference that the corporate tax cut down 20 percent might be moved up to 2018. I don't know I don't know but that was the one thing I do know is that all of the incentives to invest that are in the bill start in 2018 and interesting Ali you really create even a greater incentive to go ahead and get that money on the on the table get that money working right away because you're. Spending that money against a 35 percent rate the 1st year rather than the 20 percent rate that comes in the next year what's really the most important thing I think here is making that corporate rate permanent doesn't mean no future Congress could change it but it does mean a house a Senate and a present United States all have to agree to change it as opposed to any one of them that doesn't want to change what it does want to continue it could let it fall back to the days numbers if it was a normal 10 year window so that whatever it takes to stretch that into Year 11 in a way that allows the rules to make it permanent I think should be our number one priority on corporate taxes even beyond the specific rate so 20 is a great number and I think that we're going to say center right plan having this certainty Emma certainly matters your right to be was what times you got bad last night Sir tell us the truth. Sir. 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By the way we didn't quite get it in the 1st segment center right blunt such a key player in this I'm not sure he ever gets credit senator from Missouri a veteran who's House member Senator. He part of leadership and really was a key player and this there are a lot of them by the way we're going to have Pat Toomey center Pat Toomey great friend friend of the show was another key player and others will get to that later but I will just put in one statistic here as it became clear that the tax cut bill would pass in the Senate and that the business side of that bill were Maine's largely intact in fact improved with the repeal of the Obamacare mandate and the bigger tax cuts for small businesses the Dow Jones rose $674.00 points in the week all right we have a Dow Jones of $24000.00 plus and we have an s. And p. $500.00 of $2600.00 plus those are big numbers and it's all related so the tax cuts now there's another gigantic story here that the special counsel Robert Muller. I guess indicted is the right word. General Michael Flynn. For one month Len was the National Security Advisor for Trump. Press went wild over this they went wild over this but one of our guest David French broke last night on National Review and I hope this gets around we're going to talk about it a.b.c. News broke a story where they claimed Trump instructed Flynn to contact the Russians during the campaign all right that is incorrect and later on a.b.c. Made the correction for one hell of a correction the fact of the matter is when contacted Russians during the transition not to campaign the transition and that has happened so many times transitions typically have the incoming administration. Discuss with key foreign powers key issues on the foreign policy front in this case it was the Russian sanctions on the un vote on Israel so I'm just saying This story may be the most trumped up story that is around temporarily the real the stock market but we've got 2 experts to talk about this whole thing clarify and get us Senate here 1st of all my old friend John Hinderaker John's president center of the American experiment and of course he's the head of the great blog Powerline Blog dot com that thing's been going on for years and it is a major blog site and just to add a little icing on the cake John Hinderaker is a tax law for 41 years and it says here he retired in 2015 so I guess he's in recovery from his law practice and we welcome David French senior writer for National Review senior fellow at National Review Institute Mr French is an attorney and he is a Iraq vet and his author most recent book is the rise of ISIS a threat we can't ignore So gentlemen thank you ever so much John Hinderaker thanks for printing that interview I did with Politico our pre-shared very very much. Mr French David I don't know if we formally met perhaps we have you doing great work for an hour Oh and you're the guy filed a correction last evening a.b.c. Clarifies its story claiming Trump instructed Flynn to contact the Russians during the campaign that's not the truth is it and what is that any has that recall or this story. Transforms a story completely so you know that the big question was what is still in giving the special counsel in exchange for the plea deal and that's what was a lighting up the Internet was speculation yesterday and so minutes after this indictment or information gets split this really is a plea deal and news the plea deal starts to leak a.b.c. News publishes a story that says he's going to say that the president the current president who was then candidate for president instructed flip the context in Russia during the campaign why that was very important say during the campaign that's because that raises the poll possibility of the c. Word collusion and that's what caused everyone to go into a frenzy when the correction was issued last night of course after hours and hours and hours speculation and said that he instructed Flynn to contact the Russians during the trip this shit that changes everything because during the transition when Flynt is going to be the national security adviser reaching out to foreign powers is completely normal and often quite prudent especially when you're dealing with policy matters that will impact the incoming administration. And so essentially what what that is news is that Trump with asking Flint to do his job every transition day that I've been in a couple I was in the Reagan Bush transition way back when in 198081 I went into the administration as deputy budget director but I served on the Bush Cheney transition I've been close to this including the tranche of this is normal in fact this is important they should be doing this I mean correct me if I'm wrong Dan's December 29th that calls roommates to the Russian ambassador whatever his name is just the act may actually just toss do aren't you. Well yes specially Now let's the 2 issues that were mentioned and the is the fall in a fit state that. Sanctions that Russia may impose against the u.s. And the u.n. Resolution against Israeli settlement both of those issues were going to be far more relevant to the trumpet ministration that they were going to be to the closing days of the Obama administration so if Russia imposed sanctions on the u.s. That was going to be something that was going to impact the United States during the trip presidency the fallout from that u.n. Resolution what impact the United States during the trip presidency it's a higher really appropriate for a Trump transition official to reach out and express the view of the intel to get a straight shot all of those batters it would be surprising given their importance if the new administration didn't express its view what's what's a mystery is why fully and chose to to lie to the f.b.i. About that because what he was doing was just doing his job that's for I want to come back that's very very key point John Hinderaker I don't use a home as home and Jenkins's piece in The Wall Street Journal but his opening line is retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn on Friday pleaded guilty to lying about a non trine Even Adam Schiff the House Democrat most determined to ride the Russian collusion story to bigger and better things eg knowledge that conferring with a representative of Russia about the incoming administration's Russia policy is not illegal or improper So John. 2 things cooking here one is it did do anything wrong as David France has acknowledged but secondly. Why did Len I mean lying to the f.b.i. You put the noose around your own that I mean that's the dumbest rookie thing ever been around for a while why this whole story is so strange and what General Flynn has pled guilty to is misleading the f.b.i. About 2 good things that he did. Very weird these 2 things that he has pled guilty to misleading the f.b.i. About have nothing to do with the election have nothing to do with alleged collusion with Russia were completely proper and so as you said Larry and David I mean the real mystery here is why on earth would would Flynn have misled the f.b.i. Particularly since he must have known that the Russian ambassador's routinely eavesdropped I'm. They would know exactly exactly what he was saying to the Russian ambassador and of course that's that's one of the ironies here Larry is that you know Mueller is perfectly well aware of the fact that there's no evidence of collusion in any of these communications this whole thing is a political charade so you've got this media coverage I started by where I mean I see I was on the air about 11 o'clock. And b. 10 minutes for c n b c I was on quite a while the original topic was tax cuts where I told them it was going to pass because I just talked to 2 senators leaving the conference but then comes the fun story and I'm Who's the guy he sees investigative reporter who put this misinformation out I can't remember his name maybe you guys I know the guy. Maybe Larry's it a lot yes that's me right off that's Brian Ross is not a bad person but sometimes he gets it right and sometimes he does it now that came up and I had to dance around I'm no expert no legal expert and talk about that and I kept sand that I didn't understand. What was illegal about this except for the fact that Flynn lied to the f.b.i. Misaka Martha Stewart story you lie the f.b.i. Your he travel but the rest of the story so what if Trump asked him to contact the Russians I believe the phone call was December 29th during the transition just before the inauguration or why is Jack Question are passed along to the fled so you've got these media guys Well it's reaching deep into the White House and it's coming closer now to Donald Trump but censored Sasha and again even this guy and. What's his name Adam Schiff has become of you know he wants to impeach Trump basically for collusion with Russia even he said they didn't do anything wrong that's a party don't get shot legally I mean yeah and real bad judgment from fled who may serve some time in the pokey but has this affect Tromp why why is this affect Trump Well it shouldn't affect you as you say Larry the bizarre thing about this is there's no underlying crime what is being investigated it's an investigation that is trying to generate crimes by getting people like Michael Flynn to say things that aren't true but there is no underlying crime you know the Obama administration disgracefully disgracefully abandoned Israel in the Security Council and Donald Trump denounced that from day one if Jared Kushner told Flynn Hey call the members of the Security Council including Russia but not limited to Russia and urge them not to pass this resolution at least to delay the resolution until the new administration is in place that's great that's entirely consistent with what Donald Trump was saying publicly at the time and they were right the Obama administration's abandonment of Israel was a disgrace so there is no underlying miss. Here just for we take a break David French Your the title of your column. Dated yesterday National Review There is no evidence of collusion in Michael Flynn's fence statement so. I guess that collusion I guess people are saying collusion with Trump and hence Russian somehow that's a bad thing or Jarryd question or maybe cushion or was the guy on behalf of the president elect to call Flynn Can you just expand on that quickly before our break because again what could you do wrong what Trump do wrong right well this sort of answer is in this post-election period there's no evidence that they did anything wrong in the media the media was very breathless because the offense statement that said there was that plan was directed by a very senior member of the très transition team to contact the Russians immediately speculation landed them that it was dear sister who asked them and that would be during Mr doing his job that because you're asking him to do what he should do now been the question becomes because because there's but I by some reports has been entered into Rick interviewed by the f.b.i. Did Christer tell the truth to the f.b.i. And growing up with an investigation that is resulting in a series of convictions of people for people lying about doing their job then that is something very different than what the American people were told this is going to be about let's hold that thought I got to take a quick break I want to explore that. Much more because I think there are some issues there too anyway thanks John Hinderaker president center of the American experiment. Running that Powerline Blog dot com John you were you were really the 1st blogger I ever read many many here Soko anyway job as a recovering lawyer and he's all over this story David Franz senior writer National Review senior fellow National Review Institute he's an attorney he's an Iraq vet God bless you David and his most recent book is the rise of ISIS a threat we cannot ignore on Kudlow much more on this one story stay with us. You're listening to Larry Kudlow. 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Making money makes sense you're listening to the Larry Kudlow show better back so. Facts about which we will return at the top of the next hour big big big big story Sebastian prosecutor Muller as busted former National Security Advisor lieutenant general formula kind of general retired Lieutenant General Mike Flynn and the question is what the heck does that mean if anything we are here John Hinderaker president center of the American Experiment his Powerline Blog one of the original really original powerful nationally read block sites to still is David French senior writer for National Review attorney Iraq vet and his most recent book is the rise of ISIS a threat we cannot ignore Mr Francis become a star on the National Review website David let me go to the piece you wrote get some comment. Again the title of the piece is there is no evidence of collusion in Michael Flynn's fence statement now you say it's becoming increasingly clear that trump officials hid their lawful Russian contacts behind a smokescreen Ally's the next targets for Mahler may well be the quote senior official unquote which I guess is Jarrett question but but maybe not. And you say a number of folks have asked me if there's no collusion why lie about these contacts that's a good question and then finally you say at the end of the day we may well end up with multiple senior members of the administration facing prison time for covering up no crime and no collusion Whoa I said Just tell me this is Alice in Wonderland. Right I mean you know this is something right when the special counsel is announced a number of smart commentators said watch the kinds of charges that emerge if there is a very good chance that they will disproportionately be charges for lying to get lying to the f.b.i. Because what happens is the f.b.i. Interviews people it knows the truth already knows whether these meetings occurred it knows what these meetings are about and then it asks these people what did the meeting occur and what was it about when the f.b.i. Already knows the answer and so if they don't answer correctly then they face off in face charges and it's a way of generating leverage and it's often a way of penalize of punishing criminals when you can't prove the underlying crime but here the interesting thing is they're asking questions about things that are underlying crime and unless something changes where there's more evidence that we don't know about that hasn't leaked out that hasn't been reported in newspapers or any other outlets. Less something changes what we might be looking at here is exactly what I described is possibility Well we already have a couple of campaign campaign or administration officials who faced legal jeopardy for misleading the f.b.i. About doing things that weren't criminal in the 1st place which raises the question why why did they mislead the $64000.00 question and we don't know the answer. Jared question is a friend of mine so I'm not entirely on bias here but I just can't imagine Jared lying to the f.b.i. I just can't maybe I'm wrong by scanner match and sometimes people provide in accurate information. And the f.b.i. Charges them and well you know the d.o.j. Charges them with with lying or being misleading you know you can't presume automatically that any charge of course has now the fact that Clint pled guilty here removes from him any kind of defense of the public that he did anything other than what he says that he did so we have to presume that yeah Flynn lied here and that raises the question why lie why did Flynn lie. John Hinderaker take your Sat 30 seconds or so but just to to tromp in your view in your Vs really a political question it is 100 percent political Larry this whole investigation I think has hurt him there's no question if the Democrats take the house next November which they might vote to impeach Trump and so this whole thing is a political smokescreen it has no legal merit but politically it's probably pretty effective All right we will see gentlemen and I appreciate very much your time and John Hinderaker Powerline Blog Dave French National Review Online up to come back to us folks. 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Before firing him president from was back on Twitter Saturday night comparing Flynn who has pleaded guilty to felony use to Hillary Clinton starting with the Am presidential reaction to Lee Flynn guilty plea with absolutely no solution someone very happy and on social media in his tweet the president acknowledged for the 1st time that he knew plane had lied to federal investigators before he was fired I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the vice president and the f.b.i. Lying to the f.b.i. Is a felony plain was a loyal Trump surrogate during the campaign but he was fired as the president's national security adviser after just $24.00 days at the time the White House said he was fired for lying to Vice President Pence about his communications with his Lee act that is c.b.s. News justice reporter Paul Reed among the president's later Twitter thoughts Saturday night General Flynn wise to the f.b.i. His wife is destroyed while in the president's words crooked Hillary Clinton lies many times and nothing happens to her Mr Trump also had words for a.b.c. News words of praise actually for suspending investigative reporter Brian Ross for what Mr Crump calls his horrendously you know accurate and dishonest report on the Russia Russia Russia which ought Mr Trump was calling on other media to do the same with his from ill your fake news claim early Saturday and along party lines the Senate now really approved its version of a Republican tax overhaul plan it still needs to be reconciled with a somewhat different version passed by the house neither one is lacking for partisan critics and there were demonstrators out on the streets of New York City and Boston where w.b.c. T.v. Reporter Paul Burton's.

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