Sheffield. Indian Authorities Say a signal problem was likely responsible for the countrys worst train crash in decades. 275 people were killed in the accident and another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary Freight Train before derailing and striking a second passenger train. Prime minister Narendra Modi has vowed to punish anyone found responsible for the immigration minister has told gb news its wrong for migrants to demand better Hotel Accommodation while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed east. Its after a protest was sparked in london by migrants being asked to sleep four to a room. Speaking to camilla tominey, Robert Jenrick said the government will never put their interests above the british public. He also said sharing hotel rooms is necessary to get value for taxpayers money. Members whether these are migrants who have said they are destitute, theyve said that they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends, no family, no money, and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and board and lodgings. And so those i think those d 93 and so those i think those migrants d q5 and so those i think those migrants are wrong those i think those migrants are wrong to those i think those migrants are wrong to protest those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that they wrong to protest and say that they deserve wrong to protest and say that they deserve to wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single bedrooms they deserve to have single bedrooms with they deserve to have single bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so and bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. And im bedrooms with en suite bathrooms and so on. And im pleased to that and so on. And im pleased to see that common and so on. And im pleased to see that common sense seems to have see that common sense seems to have prevailed see that common sense seems to have prevailed in see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this case. have prevailed in this case. A labour have prevailed in this case. A labour mp have prevailed in this case. A labour mp has have prevailed in this case. A labour mp has told have prevailed in this case. A labour mp has told gb have prevailed in this case. A labour mp has told gb news victims are to scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. Charlotte nicholls said harassment is baked into every single part of how westminster operates. She how westminster operates. She also accused the labour party of choosing not to act on concerns raised about a number of colleagues over a very long penod. Colleagues over a very long period. Her comments come after period. Her comments come after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps. She should avoid when first becoming an mp. Youre up first becoming an mp. Youre up to date on gb news now its time for free speech nation. For free speech nation. A secret government unit colludes with social media to kerb criticism of the lockdown. An Oxford College threatens to expel an Oxford College threatens to expel students an Oxford College threatens to expel students for misgendering and angle expel students for misgendering and anglo saxons expel students for misgendering and anglo saxons are cancelled. Nee and anglo saxons are cancelled. The e and anglo saxons are cancelled. The is free and anglo saxons are cancelled. This is free speech and anglo saxons are cancelled. This is free speech nation. On this is free speech nation. On and this is free speech nation. On one weoomee this is free speech nation. On and welcome to this is free speech nation. On and welcome to free speech notion and welcome to free speech notion wm. And welcome to free speech nation with me and welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. Nee nation with me andrew doyle. The e nation with me andrew doyle. The e the nation with me andrew doyle. This is the show nation with me andrew doyle. This is the show where we take a look this is the show where we take a look oo this is the show where we take a look at culture this is the show where we take a look at culture Current Affairs one look at culture Current Affairs and polities. Look at culture Current Affairs and politics. And look at culture Current Affairs and politics. And of course weu and politics. And of course weu hove and politics. And of course well have the and politics. And of course well have the latest from those lovable lovable culture warriors. Theyve lovable culture warriors. Theyveno lovable culture warriors. Theyve a busy lovable culture warriors. 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Bestselling author Michael Shellenberger wm author Michael Shellenberger willioin author Michael Shellenberger will join ee author Michael Shellenberger will join us to author Michael Shellenberger will join us to discuss the counter Disinformation Team set up by counter Disinformation Team set up by obe counter Disinformation Team set up by the government to target booboown up by the government to target lockdown critics up by the government to target lockdown critics during the pandemic lockdown critics during the pandemic and lockdown critics during the pandemic and ella whelan will be bere pandemic and ella whelan will be bee bo pandemic and ella whelan will be bee to bob pandemic and ella whelan will be here to talk about pandemic and ella whelan will be here to talk about the protests, wbbb here to talk about the protests, which disrupted here to talk about the protests, which disrupted kathleen stocks ebeeob which disrupted kathleen stocks ebeeob ob which disrupted kathleen stocks speech at be which disrupted kathleen stocks speech at the oxford union this week. 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My studio guest tonight are cressida wenon guest tonight are cressida webon obo guest tonight are Cressida Wetton and Lewis Schaffer , who. 7 wetton and Lewis Schaffer, who. 7 bewb wetton and Lewis Schaffer, who. 7 bewb be wetton and Lewis Schaffer, who. 7 lewis its been wetton and Lewis Schaffer, who. 7 lewis its been a wetton and Lewis Schaffer, who. 7 lewis its been a while since youve lewis its been a while since youve been lewis its been a while since yonve been on lewis its been a while since youve been on the show, hasnt be youve been on the show, hasnt be no youve been on the show, hasnt be b nos youve been on the show, hasnt it. 7 it has been. Youve been on the show, hasnt it. 7 it has been. I youve been on the show, hasnt it. 7 it has been. I was youve been on the show, hasnt it. 7 it has been. I was beginning to feel unloved. Well, you are nnboveo to feel unloved. Well, you are nnboveo , to feel unloved. Well, you are nnboveo , bub to feel unloved. 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And i dont think we need delve into nothing to do need to delve into nothing to do with question. Were with the question. So were not going delve into lewiss. Do going to delve into lewiss. Do you this i you have me on this show . I dont know have you on dont know why i have you on this lewis were to this show, lewis were going to move question from move on to a question from ayana. Ayana . Im here. Ayana. Where is ayana . Im here. The is, ayana. Where is ayana . Im here. Tnete enowtt ayana. Where is ayana . Im here. Theis, should i ayana. Where is ayana . Im here. Theis, should i be the question is, should i be bobet the question is, should i be bobet ont the question is, should i be kicked out of the question is, should i be kicked out of university for misgendering misgendering someone . Okay so thisinteresting this is an interesting one. This is park college at the is Regents Park College at the university oxford. And university of oxford. And theyve released this trans inclusion statement. It says students expelled for students could be expelled for behaviour as, quote, behaviour such as, quote, consisting using incorrect titles, pronouns or names to refer to a trans person. And then over in america this week, coincidentally, weve had the employees of this of the city of dallas in texas being told they could be fired. And if they dont use preferred pronouns, this a trend this is obviously a trend crusader that i think is creeping because it starts with would you mind using the pronouns that this person would like use and suddenly it like you to use and suddenly it becomes you must use the pronouns this person likes you, likes to use, and likes you to use, and irrespective of what you think about that, theres a very good reason society we reason why in a free society we dont whats called dont have whats called compelled speech, right . We dont because youre compelled speech, right . 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So, for instance, we had the case of adam graham, who changed rapist, who changed a double rapist, who changed a double rapist, who changed isla bryson, changed his name to isla bryson, demanded or she demanded to be called he or she and her. And i dont think we should extending courtesy to should be extending courtesy to double think possibly double rapists. I think possibly tnoee double rapists. I think possibly tnoee beobte double rapists. I think possibly those people should ctr . I think possibly those people should be excluded bon those people should be excluded tton tnte. Those people should be excluded from this. Right. Those people should be excluded from this. Right. Well there we go. From this. Right. Well there we 90 so from this. Right. Well there we go. So but from this. Right. Well there we go. So but b from this. Right. Well there we go. So but it shouldnt. But it enowtt go. So but it shouldnt. But it enowtt be go. So but it shouldnt. But it should be. Should go. 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Its about being okay. Which is common. Its about being to okay. Which is common. Its about being to avoid problems. But but. Okay. What about how but but. Okay. What about how far does this go . Does it go to near pronouns such as g and g, cat and cat for self people who identify as cats . Would you use those pronouns for those individuals . I think you should make best effort to. No, make your best effort to. No, you wouldnt. Lewis. No you wouldnt. Such wouldnt. Youre such a contrarian. No, no, no, you would not. Miaow at someone on demand. On would not. Miaow at someone on demand. On demand. Would not. Miaow at someone on demand. On demand. I might not, but. Demand. On demand. I might not, but. But demand. On demand. I might not, but. But. Demand. On demand. I might not, but. Butt ntebt demand. On demand. I might not, but. But i might. You 3 on demand. I might not, but. But i might. You know what . Twe but. But i might. You know what . We tone but. But i might. You know what . 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Sorry, did the government try to suppress tteoweeton government try to suppress discussion of government try to suppress discussion of the lockdown bottotee discussion of the lockdown bottetee e discussion of the lockdown policies . This discussion of the lockdown policies . This is discussion of the lockdown policies . F t policies . This is actually quite a shocking revelation. This this one came out in the telegraph. This week. And this is a report that claims that a government counter disinformation unit was actually working with social Media Companies during the pandemic to actually suppress discussion of lockdown policies. So these documents, theyre saying that that that critics of the government of governments approach , be they in the press approach, be they in the press or whatever they were being monitored this unit. And now monitored by this unit. And now all of these records have come out. Louis this is kind of chilling, isnt it, because weve had with the twitter weve had this with the twitter files america now files in america where we now know the and twitter, know that the fbi and twitter, there was lots of, know, there was lots of, you know, certainly discussions, certainly lots of discussions, if going on there if not collusion going on there to suppress certain accounts, certain points of view. Surely, when it comes to a pandemic where we know nothing about this is a phenomenon, there where we know nothing about this is a be henomenon, there where we know nothing about this is a be henordiscussione where we know nothing about this is a be henordiscussion about should be more discussion about it, less. I should be more discussion about it, less. I agree with you. It, not less. I agree with you. But it, not less. I agree with you. But we it, not less. I agree with you. But we twe it, not less. I agree with you. But we live in it, not less. I agree with you. But we live in a e i agree with you. But we live in a police state ont but we live in a police state and were controlled. Were oonttotteb and were controlled. Were controlled. This and were controlled. Were controlled. This state is way bobbe controlled. This state is way more police driven than in anetteo more police driven than in anettoo b. More police driven than in america is. And more police driven than in america is. And americas a totottw america is. And americas a totottw bottee america is. And americas a totally police police. In; gtzzt totally police police. Weve got a totally police police. Weve got to tent totally police police. Weve got a real problem with the police havent you, louis . I totally do. And i have havent you, louis . I totally do. And i have a e 57 i totally do. And i have a problem with outnotbw do. And i have a problem with authority. Yes, do. And i have a problem with authority. Yes, i do. And i have a problem with authority. Yes, i know. 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I ban of tnbe dan, what do you think of this . I it is a bit i mean, i think it is a bit dodgy, it, when the dodgy, isnt it, when the government is sort of saying we cant even have discussion. Cant even have a discussion. Its is its bad enough when youtube is sort kicking off people from sort of kicking off people from the because they raise the channel because they raise questions sort expect the channel because they raise qlof tions sort expect the channel because they raise qlof silicon sort expect the channel because they raise qlof Silicon Valley. Sort expect the channel because they raise qlof Silicon Valley. But expect the channel because they raise qlof Silicon Valley. But the xpect it of Silicon Valley. But the government i think its horrific. Mean, as you said, horrific. I mean, as you said, be horrific. I mean, as you said, bewnote horrific. I mean, as you said, itswhole pointits. Its the whole point is its itont its the whole point is its new. 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Because the they were the twitter files, they were barely covered by uk media and a lot sort of left leaning us lot of sort of left leaning us media. Almost if you media. Its almost like if you just it, goes away. Just ignore it, it goes away. Well show weve got well later in the show weve got michael is Michael Shellenberger, who is one who one of the journalists who was entrusted leak the twitter entrusted to leak the twitter files and were going to talk about because this about that because i think this is very question when about that because i think this is comes question when about that because i think this is comes freedom,;tion when about that because i think this is comes freedom, when hen about that because i think this is comes freedom, when itan it comes to freedom, when it comes but dont comes to liberty. But dont tont comes to liberty. But dont tont present comes to liberty. But dont dont present it comes to liberty. But dont dont present it in i l but dont dont present it in the way that cteeebo dont present it in the way that cressida presented it is we tont cressida presented it is we tontwnot cressida presented it is we dontwhat it cressida presented it is we dontwhat it is. Cressida presented it is we dont what it is. So we dont know what it is. So we enowtt dont know what it is. So we enowtt be dont know what it is. So we should be an dont know what it is. So we should be an open should be having an open investigation. Should be having an open investigation. Everybody knew wnot wnot investigation. Everybody knew what what it. What it was. I knew what it was on wneni on april, on march 20th, when i posted on april, on march 20th, when i poetet ny on april, on march 20th, when i poetet my tbet on april, on march 20th, when i posted my first facebook thing not posted my first facebook thing tnot tnb posted my first facebook thing tnot tnblo posted my first facebook thing that thisla fakei that said this is this is a fake bontenb. That said this is this is a fake pandemic. Yeah that said this is this is a fake pandemic. Yeah lewis, lewis, tnb pandemic. Yeah lewis, lewis, this your your attempt to this was your your attempt to provoke. Usual, it was provoke. No. As usual, it was a it was a if it was a fake pandemic, how come i got sick it was a if it was a fake pand it . Ic, how come i got sick it was a if it was a fake pand it . Threed come i got sick it was a if it was a fake pand it . Threed come wett sick it was a if it was a fake pand it . Threed come we all ck it was a if it was a fake pand it . Threed come we all get from it . Three times . We all get sick because the flu sick because because the flu happens every year and people get sick and people get sick. Well, what . Should be well, you know what . I should be now entobteeetngel now. What are you suppressing . Wee wbnl me . No, im disagreeing with wow. Me . No, im disagreeing with wowltont me . No, im disagreeing with youldontla me . No, im disagreeing with you. Dont a hypocrite. You. So dont be a hypocrite. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Lewis is mistaking tewte unbelievable. Lewis is mistaking lewis criticism unbelievable. Lewis is mistaking lewis criticism andi lewis is mistaking criticism and tteogteenent lewis is mistaking criticism and disagreement for lewis is mistaking criticism and disagreement for censorship bee disagreement for censorship becausenot disagreement for censorship becausenot the disagreement for censorship because not the same thing. Because its not the same thing. Let because its not the same thing. Bettbsotwtetw because its not the same thing. Letabsolutely clear because its not the same thing. Letabsolutely clear abouti let me be absolutely clear about that. Got get that. Right. Weve got to get another now. Is another question now. This is from ed, wheres ed . Hello, ed, did exist after did anglo saxons not exist after all . Well, i mean, its a good tweetton all . Well, i mean, its a good question, actually. 7 well, i mean, its a good question, actually. \tit 7 well, i mean, its a good question, actually. Bit e question, actually. No, its a stubb question, actually. No, its a stupid question. But lets talk about it, because Cambridge University decided to tackle university has decided to tackle what its calling myths of nationalism by teaching students that anglo saxons did not exist. Now, this is going to cause some problems since early mediaeval history at the university is taught by the department of anglo saxon norse and celtic. But anyway, whats going to happen . This is beyond stupid. They did exist. I think theyre they did exist. I think theyre teet they did exist. I think theyre twet twtng they did exist. I think theyre twet twtng to they did exist. I think theyre just trying to argue that they weent just trying to argue that they werent a homogenous group. Wett werent a homogenous group. Web, no werent a homogenous group. Wett, no group werent a homogenous group. Well, no group is werent a homogenous group. Well, no group is a homogenous. Wett well, no group is a homogenous. Web, the well, no group is a homogenous. Web, tie to well, no group is a homogenous. Well, this is it, well, no group is a homogenous. Well, this is it, isnt well, no group is a homogenous. Well, this is it, isnt it . You 90 well, this is it, isnt it . You go to well, this is it, isnt it . You go to onw well, this is it, isnt it . You can go to any part of the world if can go to any part of the world b tot can go to any part of the world b tot enowen can go to any part of the worldi if far enough. Yeah, if you go back far enough. Yeah, of if you go back far enough. Yeah, ottnete if you go back far enough. Yeah, ottnete we if you go back far enough. Yeah, of there was mixing and of course. There was mixing and netentnd of course. There was mixing and matchingyeah. Matching, you know. Yeah. Its very. Matching, you know. Yeah. Its weekot matching, you know. Yeah. Its wenwot ow matching, you know. Yeah. Its very. Of our time, very. Its very of our time, tent very. Its very of our time, tent be very. Its very of our time, isnt it . Yeah. Very. Its very of our time, isnt it . Yeah. But very. Its very of our time, isnt it . 43 . very. Its very of our time, isnt it . Yeah. But lewis, they say that this is an anti racist approach i suppose what approach and that i suppose what theyre is that i dont theyre saying is that i dont get this is the anglo saxon get this is it the anglo saxon is of has been co opt by is sort of has been co opt by sort of racist right sort of racist far right nationalists dont nationalists has it . I dont know. Right. Well know. Yes, youre right. Well from i was growing from america, when i was growing up and white anglo saxon up and a white anglo saxon protestant was was wasp. Protestant was was a wasp. Yeah. And they had a particular bteoe yeah. And they had a particular bteoe tn yeah. And they had a particular place in american yeah. And they had a particular place in American Society of twe place in American Society of ttbewno place in American Society of like who were place in American Society of like who were were better like people who were were better tnen like people who were were better tnen ewewbotw like people who were were better than everybody else. They were new than everybody else. They were tnew wee than everybody else. They were tnew tne than everybody else. They were they were the upper class. They tne they were the upper class. They tne bnee they were the upper class. They were the kings and queens of anettee were the kings and queens of anettoe. Vee were the kings and queens of america. Yes yes. Were the kings and queens of america. Yes yes. And as a new tott america. Yes yes. And as a new vowwee america. Yes yes. And as a new wontwere not america. Yes yes. And as a new yorkwere not part america. Yes yes. And as a new york were not part of york jew, we were not part of wet. York jew, we were not part of betnewe york jew, we were not part of that. Have we york jew, we were not part of that. Have we were york jew, we were not part of that. Have we were like that. We could have we were like in that. We could have we were like tn oweeweel in the we thought of ourselves as in the we thought of ourselves eee nee in the we thought of ourselves eee nee andl as like being down here. And new as like being down here. And be wee as like being down here. And they were there as like being down here. And they were there and we hated tnen. They were there and we hated tnen. Teen. They were there and we hated tnen. Ween. They were there and we hated them. Yeah. Get they were there and we hated them. Yeah. Gill them. Yeah. No, i get the idea that anglo saxon can that the anglo saxon can be co opted idiot co opted by a bunch of idiot racists, but that doesnt mean that didnt that the anglo saxon didnt exist. And thats not the way to sort deal with the way sort of deal with it. The way the with it surely, the way to deal with it surely, is deal with racists rather is to deal with racists rather than revise history and than just revise history and pretend didnt. Idont pretend history didnt. I dont see it as a racial issue. Pretend history didnt. I dont see it as a racial issue. I i t t i e i dont see it as a racial issue. I see b. See it as a racial issue. I see b. T see it as a racial issue. I see b. Ttne see it as a racial issue. I see it. I the anglo saxons as it. I see the anglo saxons as betng it. I see the anglo saxons as betne e it. I see the anglo saxons as betne e en it. I see the anglo saxons as being a an invader, a colonial groupe being a an invader, a colonial groupt e being a an invader, a colonial atone, e group being a an invader, a colonial group, a group that purports had Mass Immigration group, a group that purports had Mass Immigration , which Mass Immigration, which teettowet Mass Immigration, which destroyed the Mass Immigration, which destroyed the indigenous bobwtetton destroyed the indigenous population of destroyed the indigenous population of britain. And i tntnb population of britain. And i tntnb tnew population of britain. And i think they should be they should be wbbtet. Think they should be they should be vilified. Do think they should be they should be vilified. Do you think they should be they should be vilified. � jtit be vilified. Do you think anglo saxon should be vilified . So got there in the end. So we got there in the end. Lewis hates hates the Lewis Schaffer hates hates the anglo saxons, what they did anglo saxons, but what they did was invasion for the was the invasion for the invasion of this country. Youve got to go. That was got to let it go. That was a long time ago. Are you going to be having a go at vikings be having a go at the vikings next . You know next . Well, do you know eonetntnge next . Well, do you know something . Lets ti;,b you are listening to gb news radio. Welcome back pitt welcome back 35tt welcome back to 35t welcome back to free radio. Welcome back to free sbeeon radio. Welcome back to free speech nation 35t welcome back to free speech nation Childrens Charity cnbtttne speech nation Childrens Charity childline has speech nation Childrens Charity childline has been heavily otbtoteet childline has been heavily criticised recently for giving teeneeete criticised recently for giving teenagers who criticised recently for giving teenagers who think they may be ttenegentet teenagers who think they may be transgender potentially tengetowe transgender potentially dangerous advice. C t dangerous advice. Childline provides uk children up to the age of 19 with counselling and advice and concerning messages have been found on the charitys forums for example, suggesting girls as young as 14 should administer hormone blockers without telling their parents, and there hasnt been any moderator stepping into those forums. So james sps is a former volunteer. Childline counsellor. He joins me now. James welcome to the show. Thanks, james. So, tenee to the show. Thanks, james. So, tenee betote to the show. Thanks, james. So, james, before we thanks, james. So, james, before we begin and talk ebowt james, before we begin and talk ebowt tneee james, before we begin and talk about these forums, lets talk ebowt about these forums, lets talk ebowt wow about these forums, lets talk about your background. Titiii about your background. You were wbn about your background. You were with childline a time, with childline for a time, werent was. Was werent you . I was. It was a oowneettot werent you . I was. It was a counsellor there ttttiiii e tit7 i was. It was a counsellor there about five counsellor there for about five ween counsellor there for about five weennest counsellor there for about five yearsmust have counsellor there for about five years must have done counsellor there for about five. Yearsmust have done a years weekly. I must have done a tnoweente years weekly. I must have done a tnoweente ot years weekly. I must have done a thousands of hours years weekly. I must have done a thousands of hours of counselling thousands of hours of counsellingpeople. Counselling of young people. Ane counselling of young people. And began and what happened there . I began to get concerned. I mean, i saw ent to get concerned. I mean, i saw more and more children gill ii i mean, i saw more and more children coming tntowen more and more children coming tntowan eewtna more and more children coming through saying that were through saying that they were tenet through saying that they were trapped bodies. Through saying that they were trapped bodies. | trapped in the wrong bodies. Tnet trapped in the wrong bodies. Thatconcerning trapped in the wrong bodies. That concerning enough, trapped in the wrong bodies. Tfound concerning enough, trapped in the wrong bodies. Tfound c0ichildlinetnough, trapped in the wrong bodies. Tfound c0ichildline were h, i found that childline were beginning al i found that childline were beginning a gender beginning to encourage a gender beotoew beginning to encourage a gender ideology counselling ideology through the counselling netnote ideology through the counselling methods, through ideology through the counselling methods, through the information be methods, through the information tnew owt methods, through the information tnew owt to methods, through the information tnew owt to wownel methods, through the information they you out to young methods, through the information they you know,out to young methods, through the information they you know, counsellors] people. You know, counsellors eebtng people. You know, counsellors eebng tot people. You know, counsellors asking for childrens prone names when asking for childrens prone names when they were starting the conversation names when they were starting the conversation , names when they were starting the conversation , i raised the conversation, i raised concernssenior the conversation, i raised concernsSenior Management concerns with Senior Management in concerns with Senior Management tn cnbtttne concerns with Senior Management in childline and concerns with Senior Management in childline and for concerns with Senior Management in childline and for a time it seemed in childline and for a time it seemed as if in childline and for a time it seemed as if they were willing toconversation. Seemed as if they were willing to conversation. But to have a conversation. But ewentwettw to have a conversation. Buti eventually theyd eventually it seemed theyd had enowen enough and they gave me the boot. Enough and they gave me the boot. Tnew enough and they gave me the boot. They must. Enough and they gave me the. Boot. They must have boot. But surely they must have eeoebtet boot. But surely they must have eeeebtet tnet boot. But surely they must have accepted that to boot. But surely they must have accepted that to ask a childs pronouns te accepted that to ask a childs pronouns is to. Accepted that to ask a childs pronouns is to. E e pronouns is to. Its like a test. Pronouns is to. Its like a test. Are on board with this test. Are you on board with this religious ideology . And thats a position that they shouldnt be taking a support taking as a neutral support mechanism. Well, quite right. But i mean, dont seem to but i mean, they dont seem to eeoebt but i mean, they dont seem to eeoebt tnet but i mean, they dont seem to accept thatmeant but i mean, they dont seem to accept that meant be accept that theyre meant to be non benteen accept that theyre meant to be nonpertteen. Accept that theyre meant to be non partisan. And accept that theyre meant to be non partisan. it gti;5 accept that theyre meant to be non partisan. t gti;5 gti;5 non partisan. And yes and yes, i would go in for counselling sessions see posters from sessions and see posters from stonewall example, stonewall, for example, plastered walls. I plastered all over the walls. I know stonewall have had know that stonewall have had a real some of real hand in developing some of the materials, of real hand in developing some of the website materials, of real hand in developing some of the website materials of real hand in developing some of the website materials as of real hand in developing some of the website materials as well. the website materials as well. Yes but they seem to be enthralled to ideology. Enthralled to this ideology. But very strange, isnt but this is very strange, isnt it . But this is very strange, isnti be eonoebt but this is very strange, isnt. Be eonoebt ot it . Because even the concept of bebo it . Because even the concept of betne born it . Because even the concept of being born tn it . Because even the concept of being born in wrong body, being born in the wrong body, tnete tnet being born in the wrong body, thats that many. Being born in the wrong body, thats that many trans thats something that many trans oraenteettone thats something that many trans organisatitsomething that a know, its something that for a wnbe know, its something that for a while promulgated, while it was promulgated, but tnen while it was promulgated, buti tnen out while it was promulgated, but tnen owt ent then even mermaids came out and setb then even mermaids came out and an, tnete then even mermaids came out and an, tnete not then even mermaids came out and said, thats not true. Then even mermaids came out and said, thats not true. So why is wet said, thats not true. So why is be bee said, thats not true. So why is that idea being said, thats not true. So why is that idea being passed around etbte that idea being passed around etbte that idea being passed around etbte rte that idea being passed around still . Its bizarre. That idea being passed around still . tit that idea being passed around still . E tit still . Its bizarre. You know, we know that gender dysphoria is a Mental Health condition. Childline is meant to be a neutral explorative counselling service for children with including Mental Health conditions. And yet they seem to conditions. And yet they seem to be content to push this idea that it be content to push this idea thatitis be content to push this idea that it is possible to be trapped body. And trapped in the wrong body. And of weve had mermaids, of course weve had mermaids, wnton of course weve had mermaids, wnton te of course weve had mermaids, wnton to e of course weve had mermaids, which is a trans of course weve had mermaids, which is a trans childrens enerbw which is a trans childrens onerbw. Which is a trans childrens enerbw. Tnew which is a trans Childrens Charity. They been charity. They have been investigated investigated because there have been retettne been some forums relating to members been some forums relating to mermaids were. Mermaids where they were etwetne mermaids where they were etwetneto mermaids where they were advisingto use. Mermaids where they were advisingto use breast advising children to use breast btntere advising children to use breast btntere, tor advising children to use breast binders, for instance, which can oeweebnwetoet binders, for instance, which can cause physical damage. Cause serious physical damage. So cause serious physical damage. So the cause serious physical damage. So tnte eeene cause serious physical damage. So this seems to cause serious physical damage. So this seems to be something tnet so this seems to be something we be so this seems to be something that its almost so this seems to be something that its almost like adults tnboetne that its almost like adults tnboetng en that its almost like adults imposing an ideology, irrespective imposing an ideology, irrespective of child safeguarding, correct . tit irrespective of child safeguarding, correct . You know, safeguarding, correct . You know, at safeguarding, correct . You know, et teeet safeguarding, correct . You know, at least with mermaids , we know at least with mermaids, we know what theyre about. Theyve theyve made that clear from day dot. Yes childline is a much beloved organisation in this society. Its there to safeguard the most vulnerable children. The most vulnerable children. Okay. Well, lets talk about wnet okay. Well, lets talk about we tnewwe well, lets talk about what theyve done. Were talking ebowt what theyve done. Were talking now about these what theyve done. Were talking now about these and youve been postna now about these and youve been poettneltot now about these and youve been poettnaltot on now about these and youve been posting lot on twitter about posting a lot on twitter about we posting a lot on twitter about tnte onttne posting a lot on twitter about this online forums. Now youve been torwnei been monitoring these forums tnrowgn newei been monitoring these forums. Tnrowgn newe wow through childline. What have you tteoowerete through childline. What have you discovered . A discovered . I did a bit of a beep discovered . I did a bit of a beep ewe. Discovered . I did a bit of a deep dive. These discovered . I did a bit of a deep dive. 5titi; deep dive. These are all publicly anyone can publicly available. Anyone can go the childline website go onto the childline website and and theres and see these and theres various threads various gender identity threads in i mean, i say in which children i mean, i say children, but its quite easy for to go and pretend for an adult to go and pretend theyre a child and create a profile. Are things such profile. Are saying things such as advice on where to as giving advice on where to source cheap breast binders or are saying to a child, if your parents dont want you on puberty blockers go source them behind even behind their back or even a thread came across in thread that i came across in which young person is saying, which a young person is saying, i believe that theres a genocide the genocide against us and the responses from other responses are from other concerned people , children concerned young people, children saying, id thought of it saying, id never thought of it like , but now, actually im like that, but now, actually im really there a really scared. There is a genocide against us child line say moderate every say that they moderate every single post that goes in these Message Boards , which tells me Message Boards, which tells me that either theyre not doing the moderation, which is bad enough, actually enough, or that theyre actually completely for this completely fine for this worrying material. Now , thats worrying material. Now, thats tntereettne worrying material. Now, thats interesting because g now, thats interesting because childline interesting because so childline is interesting because so childline te bsrcc. Interesting because so childline is nspcc. Theyve. Is run by the nspcc. Theyve sent is run by the nspcc. Theyve eent we is run by the nspcc. Theyve eent we we is run by the nspcc. Theyve sent us this statement. They say sent us this statement. They say the childline sent us this statement. They say the childline Message Boards are a the childline Message Boards are e bteee the childline Message Boards are e bteee wnere the childline Message Boards are a place where young people can ebreee a place where young people can express themselves and seek and otter express themselves and seek and otter ewbbon express themselves and seek and otter ewbbort to express themselves and seek and offer support to each other on any offer support to each other on enwbrobten. Any issue or problem. The neeeeeg any issue or problem. The. Neeeege tet any issue or problem. The neeeege tet bw message board posts are led by young message board posts are led by young pewter message board posts are led by young peoplee and message board posts are led by young people, and it is not wnwewet young people, and it is not wnwewet to young people, and it is not unusual to find young people, and it is not unusual to find diverse or content unusual to find diverse or conflicting opinions. As you conflicting opinions. As you wbt conflicting opinions. As you wttt ttnt conflicting opinions. As you will find on conflicting opinions. As you will find on any conflicting opinions. As you will find on any public forum. Will find on any public forum. But will find on any public forum. But ternee will find on any public forum. But ternee te will find on any public forum. But james, is it will find on any public forum. But james, is it not the case tnet but james, is it not the case be e but james, is it not the case be e enbt but james, is it not the case that a child Internet Forum outb that a child Internet Forum owebtlbe that a child Internet Forum ought be moderated by adults . Ought to be moderated by adults . I ought to be moderated by adults . T tnew ought to be moderated by adults . T tnew tenwtng ought to be moderated by adults . Ithey denying that i mean, are they denying that were i mean, are they denying that tnere one i mean, are they denying that tnere one t i mean, are they denying that. There on . I mean, there whats going on . I mean, tnete there whats going on . I mean, tnete e there whats going on . I mean, thats a complete there whats going on . I mean, thats a complete abdication of any thats a complete abdication of enwot thats a complete abdication of enwot cere thats a complete abdication of enwot or any duty of care or responsibility. Its responsibility. And its a breach of their own policies. I mean, says it in black and mean, it says it in black and white the website that every white on the website that every single moderated, white on the website that every singworse moderated, white on the website that every singworse than noderated, white on the website that every singworse than this. � ated, white on the website that every singworse than this. Theres a get worse than this. Theres a function on childline called ask sam, where young sam, which is where a young person write sam is an person can write in. Sam is an anonymous childline counsellor, anonymous childline counsellor, an adult counsellor , so ive an adult counsellor, so ive come across threads that. For come across threads on that. For example, in which person example, in which young person said dont like their said that they dont like their body. They body. They feel like they might be in wrong body. The be born in the wrong body. The counsellor, than counsellor, rather than exploring starts exploring it, openly, starts to suggest puberty blockers cross sex hormones. Ive come across threads in which across other threads in which young girl said that she wanted to but was worried to become a boy but was worried about fertility later to become a boy but was worried abotthis fertility later to become a boy but was worried abotthis childline later to become a boy but was worried abotthis childline counsellor life. This childline counsellor says dont worry about it. You can always get a surrogate to carry the baby for you. Mean, carry the baby for you. I mean, this is shocking stuff. This is this is shocking stuff. Thats unbelievable. Thats betng ebowtl being very flippant about the entity being very flippant about the fertilitychild being very flippant about the fertilitychild in being very flippant about the fertility child in later fertility of a child in later be. Fertility of a child in later be. Ant, fertility of a child in later life. And, you fertility of a child in later life. And, you know, this is a born life. And, you know, this is a botnt tnet life. And, you know, this is a point that ive life. And, you know, this is a point that ive made again and etern point that ive made again and egetnltnte point that ive made again and again. This show. Point that ive made again and again this show. And im not again on this show. And im not going again on this show. And im not going to again on this show. And im not going to etob again on this show. And im not going to stop making which again on this show. And im not going tthe op making which again on this show. And im not going tthe majorityig which again on this show. And im not going tthe majorityig the hich again on this show. And im not going tthe majorityig the vast is that the majority of the vast netorbw is that the majority of the vast netorbw ot is that the majority of the vast majority of children who are reterret majority of children who are referred paediatric referred to gender paediatric ettntee referred to gender paediatric ettnteeto referred to gender paediatric clinicsto. Same clinics tend to be same sex ettreetet. Clinics tend to be same sex attracted. Hannah attracted. I think hannah barnesssaid attracted. I think hannah barnesssaid 80 barness book said between 80 ene barness book said between 80 endtot barness book said between 80 enttot ot barness book said between 80 andlot of them barness book said between 80 and lot of them are on the and 90. A lot of them are on the ewttette and 90. A lot of them are on the autistic spectrum and 90. A lot of them are on the autistic spectrum well. Autistic spectrum as well. Tneree autistic spectrum as well. Theres otherl theres all sorts of other reasons explain why reasons which explain why eertetn reasons which explain why certainfeel reasons which explain why certainfeel a reasons which explain why certain feel a sense reasons which explain why certainfeel a sense of certain children feel a sense of gender certain children feel a sense of gender dysphoria. Certain children feel a sense of gender dysphoria. So why arent gay gender dysphoria. So why arent aew nonre gender dysphoria. So why arent gay Rights Groups gender dysphoria. So why arent gay Rights Groups outraged about tntee gay Rights Groups outraged about this . Because gay Rights Groups outraged about this . Because what were etteettwetw this . Because what were effectively seeing is people fixing effectively seeing is people ttotng gey effectively seeing is people fixing gay gay effectively seeing is people fixing gay gay people through medicalisation fixing gay gay people through medicalisation because theyre nottente medicalisation because theyre notRights Groups medicalisation because theyre not Rights Groups anymore. Not gay Rights Groups anymore. Tnete not gay Rights Groups anymore. Tnete why not gay Rights Groups anymore. Thats why theres not gay Rights Groups anymore. Thats why theres the not gay Rights Groups anymore. Thats why theres the need for groups lgb alliance, groups like lgb alliance, because the old historic groups are concerned by the other are more concerned by the other letters that are followed on in the alphabet soup. Over recent years things are years. And these things are completely conflicting with one another. Mean, youre another. I mean, youre conflating day basis conflating on a day to day basis simply using the term lgbt simply by using the term lgbt one sexuality with gender dysphoria or again, a Mental Health condition. But then, you health condition. But then, you know, health condition. But then, you know b health condition. But then, you know b be health condition. But then, you know, if its an health condition. But then, you know, if its an adult health condition. But then, you know, if its an adult to ttit c it but then, you know, if its an adult to say i e tiit3 but then, you know, if its an adult to say if an know, if its an adult to say if en etwb know, if its an adult to say if an adult feels know, if its an adult to say if an adult feels for know, if its an adult to say if an adult feels for whatever tnew an adult feels for whatever reason they want to undertake ewreew reason they want to undertake ewrgew tor reason they want to undertake surgery for whatever reason, tnew surgery for whatever reason, tnewto surgery for whatever reason, theyto change surgery for whatever reason, they to change their body they want to change their body in they want to change their body tn e they want to change their body tn e ttberet they want to change their body in a liberal society, you know, were in a liberal society, you know, tnere ntent in a liberal society, you know, there might be in a liberal society, you know, there might be Mental Health issues there there might be Mental Health issues there and there might be Mental Health issues there and other issues tnet issues there and other issues be won issues there and other issues we wowwent issues there and other issues that you want to issues there and other issues that you want to explore. That you might want to explore. But that you might want to explore. Bet tn that you might want to explore. Bet tn e that you might want to explore. But in a liberal but ultimately, in a liberal eoetetw but ultimately, in a liberal society, adults but ultimately, in a liberal society, adults get to do what new society, adults get to do what tnewrtente society, adults get to do what theyright . Yes, society, adults get to do what they right . T ti;5t int ti. they want, right . Yes, which is why they want, right . Yes, which is why said i would why ive never said that i would call on all of these call for a ban on all of these surgeries procedures medical surgeries, procedures or medical procedures adults. But for procedures for adults. But for children, completely children, its completely different. And i mean, its a strange, strange place live strange, strange place we live in. Child cant buy in. If a child cant buy a scratch card or or have a pint in the pub, but can consent to irreversible bodily changes and potentially infertility in later life as well. I mean, its crazy. And youve been life as well. I mean, its crazy. And youve been speaking out ebowt crazy. And youve been speaking out about this crazy. And youve been speaking out about this for crazy. And youve been speaking out about this for a i and youve been speaking out about this for a long time ent out about this for a long time ent wowwe out about this for a long time now and youve had a lot of consequence, havent you, for doing consequence, havent you, for totnele consequence, havent you, for totnele t consequence, havent you, for totnele t newe consequence, havent you, for doing. . I have. I consequence, havent you, for doing . Doing so . I have. I was i was doing so . I have. I was i was doing a masters degree in psychotherapy. I was three years into the cusp of setting into this on the cusp of setting up private practise, was up a private practise, and i was expelled email. I was expelled over an email. I was told that id brought them into disrepute and im now having to take the employment take them to the employment tribunal discrimination. Take them to the employment tribunil discrimination. Take them to the employment tribuni mean scrimination. Take them to the employment tribuni mean ,crimination. Take them to the employment tribuni mean , myiination. Take them to the employment tribuni mean , my wholei. Of yeah, i mean, my whole kind of future life has been , well, future life plan has been, well, it overnight. And it evaporated overnight. And what i dont understand what i dont understand about we what i dont understand about tnte een this is why why can a conversation this is why why can a conversation not happen . Were conversation not happen . Were teettne conversation not happen . Were teettng wbn conversation not happen . Were dealing with the conversation not happen . Were dealing with the safeguarding of ebbtren children. So surely that should be now children. So surely that should be now eenl children. So surely that should be now bi be the top priority. How can it boeetbtw be the top priority. How can it boeetbtweo be the top priority. How can it possiblyso many be the top priority. How can it possibly so many major possibly be that so many major tnetbwttone possibly be that so many major institutions have possibly be that so many major institutions have just bought tnto to into this without stopping to tntnb newbel into this without stopping to. Think maybe were think and thinking maybe were doing think and thinking maybe were borne tnen think and thinking maybe were doing than good think and thinking maybe were doing than good here . Doing more harm than good here . Ive doing more harm than good here . Be reeked doing more harm than good here . Be noted my doing more harm than good here . Ive racked my brain doing more harm than good here . Ive racked my brain with doing more harm than good here . Ive racked my brain with that. Andrew think for some andrew and i think for some people, genuinely people, they genuinely believe theyre right thing. Theyre doing the right thing. For others, theyre too scared to out. For some, they to speak out. For some, they just want an easy life. And for some i think may be some i think they may well be pure ive come to the pure evil. But ive come to the conclusion that i dont really care reasoning care what the reasoning is anymore outcome, anymore because the outcome, which harm to our children, which is harm to our children, happens time. James sps, happens every time. James sps, thanks very much for joining me. Thank you. So next, coming up on thank you. So next, coming up on tree thank you. So next, coming up on tree sbeeen thank you. So next, coming up on free speech nation, thank you. 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As discussed earlier, it has been as discussed earlier, it has been reported as discussed earlier, it has been reported in the telegraph tnet been reported in the telegraph tnet twrtne been reported in the telegraph that during the been reported in the telegraph that during the pandemic the government that during the pandemic the government worked in tandem with eoetet government worked in tandem with eoetet nette government worked in tandem with social Media Companies to try ent social Media Companies to try ent ebenee social Media Companies to try and silence critics social Media Companies to try and silence critics of its toebtown and silence critics of its lockdown policies. This so called lockdown policies. This so called counter disinformation wnb so called counter disinformation wntt wee so called counter disinformation unit was designed so called counter disinformation unit was designed to tackle toneette unit was designed to tackle domestic threats and secretly nonboret domestic threats and secretly monitored critics domestic threats and secretly monitored critics of the government monitored critics of the government with their social nette government with their social nette teete government with their social media posts. Apparently being btoebet media posts. Apparently being blocked from media posts. Apparently being blocked from being widely circulated. Blocked from being widely circulated. Author Michael Shellenberger circulated. Author Michael Shellenberger joins me now to tteewee shellenberger joins me now to tteewee tnte. Shellenberger joins me now to discuss this. Michael, welcome to tree discuss this. Michael, welcome to tree sbeeen discuss this. Michael, welcome to free speech nation. Good to to free speech nation. Good to be wbn to free speech nation. Good to be wbn yow to free speech nation. Good to be with you, andrew. Michael, vou be with you, andrew. Michael, yow be with you, andrew. Michael, you were one of be with you, andrew. Michael, you were one of the journalists tnet you were one of the journalists be we you were one of the journalists that was entrusted to leak the twbter that was entrusted to leak the twitter files that was entrusted to leak the twitter files in that was entrusted to leak the twitter files in the us. Could you twitter files in the us. Could yow twet twitter files in the us. Could yow twet tett twitter files in the us. Could you just tell us twitter files in the us. Could you just tell us a twitter files in the us. Could you just tell us a bit about tnete you just tell us a bit about that . Because you just tell us a bit about that . Because there we saw that . Because over there we saw tnet that . Because over there we saw thatevidence, that . Because over there we saw that evidence, wasnt that there was evidence, wasnt bere that there was evidence, wasnt naelame that there was evidence, wasnt there,. Some kind that there was evidence, wasnt there, some kind of collusion there, of some kind of collusion between there, of some kind of collusion between tne there, of some kind of collusion between the uk, there, of some kind of collusion between the uk, us between the uk, the us authorities between the uk, the us authorities and the social media dente authorities and the social media gtente. Authorities and the social media atente. Swe authorities and the social media giants. Sure. So authorities and the social media giants. Sure. So what we giants. Sure. So what we discovered giants. Sure. So what we discovered in giants. Sure. So what we discovered in the twitter files is discovered in the twitter files te extrenety discovered in the twitter files is extremely similar to what oeewnet tn is extremely similar to what occurred in Great Britain , as occurred in Great Britain, as reported occurred in Great Britain, as reportet by occurred in Great Britain, as reported by the occurred in Great Britain, as reported by the telegraph yeetertey reported by the telegraph yeetertey , reported by the telegraph yesterday , but also had been yesterday, but also had been brewowety yesterday, but also had been previously reported in what i bettewe previously reported in what i bettewe tne previously reported in what i believe the telegraph had called the believe the telegraph had called tnetbee believe the telegraph had called the files including the lockdown files including enette the lockdown files including enette tron the lockdown files including emails from. The lockdown files including emails from. One of your emails from. One of your government emails from. One of your government ministers, hancock to teeeboob government ministers, hancock to facebook executive government ministers, hancock to facebook executive nick clegg. Facebook executive nick clegg. Very facebook executive nick clegg. Very etnber facebook executive nick clegg. Very similar dynamic facebook executive nick clegg. Very similar dynamic here facebook executive nick clegg. Very similar dynamic here with white house officials putting direct pressure on facebook to censor the what facebook called often true posts , including often true posts, including around a post around vaccine side effects that they feared would cause Vaccine Hesitancy in the twitter files. We discovered that there was a large operation run by Us Government agencies, including department of homeland security, that that interacted with private sector ngos that then that then flagged social media posts , disfavoured social media posts, disfavoured social media posts, disfavoured social media posts, disfavoured social media posts that they wanted, twitter and facebook to censor. And they reported very high levels of compliance. Somewhere levels of compliance. Somewhere between 20 and 50 compliance. And what was what was really satisfying about the telegraph reporting yesterday is that it verified that everything that we had found had also occurred in britain. I mean, thats not good britain. I mean, thats not good news. But it had come at a time when people were were suggesting that what we discovered was that what we had discovered was very innocent government flagging of social media posts and not censorship. I think what you see in both countries is very heavy handed pressure by governments on the social Media Companies to censor these disfavoured views, many of which were among some of the twitter files that were released. There were emails that were � 7 there were emails that were showing now were emails that were showing now rnernereb were emails that were showing how members of were emails that were showing how members of the Democrat Party how members of the democrat reny wee how members of the Democrat Party were flagging certain tweete party were flagging certain tweete eeytna party were flagging certain tweets saying, could we deal wbn tweets saying, could we deal wbn tneee, tweets saying, could we deal with these, take tweets saying, could we deal with these, take these down . To betne with these, take these down . To be the republicans were at be fair, the republicans were at it be fair, the republicans were at b ee be fair, the republicans were at b ee wett. 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And why is it the case that this did isnt it . And why is it the case that this did not isnt it . And why is it the case that this did not get as much coverage as it that this did not get as much coverage as it ought have coverage as it ought to have tone coverage as it ought to have toneltne coverage as it ought to have donethe media . Coverage as it ought to have done the media . Why do you done in the media . Why do you tntnb t done in the media . Why do you tntnb t tntnbl done in the media . Why do youi think i think the think that is . Well, i think the media is part of the problem in many cases. Its part of what you call the censorship you would call the censorship industrial , which i industrial complex, which i should add, we are coming to britain on june 22nd at 7 pm. In central hall, westminster to expose at greater length , in expose at greater length, in part because we think that the United States and Great Britain have historic. Oakley defended have historic. Oakley defended free speech as people of English Speaking nations that have a significant role in in shaping how governments around the world think about this, how people around the world think about this. So i around the world think about this. So i think that the media has really failed. I was extremely happy to see the telegraphs report , and i think telegraphs report, and i think that the story will increasingly come out because clear come out because its clear there was a major government effort in the United States, in Great Britain , across the eu, Great Britain, across the eu, andifs Great Britain, across the eu, and its now happening around the world, where there has been significant censorship over the last three years of disfavoured views that were often very accurate, including telling peoples personal experiences of an experimental drugs side effect , that one that we might effect, that one that we might think had more benefits than harms. And i certainly took the vaccine myself. But nonetheless , its been in the Public Interest to fight for knowing the side effects of drugs over the side effects of drugs over the last several decades to so to see the media just play cheerleader while accepting significant amounts of money, you may know pfizer invested many tens of millions of dollars in advertising, which all those Media Companies took. And then, of course, they have a direct competitive interest not in not allowing alternative media where in social media they want the Advertising Money for themselves. So i think there was a lot of reasons why the advertisers , why the mainstream advertisers, why the mainstream news media to have ignored the story to date. But news media to have ignored the story to date. But in a news media to have ignored the story to date. But in a sense story to date. But in a sense you story to date. But in a sense yow een story to date. 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And they demand greater censorship. And they hete demand greater censorship. And they doing demand greater censorship. And they were doing it demand greater censorship. And they were doing it through various causes. So it included election denialism in the United States. Its included covid vaccines and also covid origins. Its included now the war in ukraine, which whatever you think of it, we should have a free debate about it. Include climate change. And now the latest thing is so called hate speech, which we have shown that there is really no evidence that any incidents of hate on any significant levels are increasing in the western world. But yet in all of these countries, britain, the United States, canada, australia, new zealand , brazil, all the states, canada, australia, new zealand , brazil , all the excuses zealand, brazil, all the excuses being used that there is more hate online as a way to demand greater censorship. So we see basically elites looking for reasons to justify greater censorship. In some ways it censorship. In some ways it gives the sense that the ultimate goal is just to have a censorship apparatus, that they have greater control over and theyre using these issues in order to establish that apparatus. I mean , the way you apparatus. I mean, the way you say that, it sounds like you think its this is this has been designed this way. I mean, my teeth; designed this way. I mean, my teethg htght designed this way. I mean, my feeling might be designed this way. I mean, my feeling might be that designed this way. I mean, my feeling might be that it d i mean, my feeling might be that it might be well intentioned people be just well intentioned people getthe be just well intentioned people tenthwrong. Be just well intentioned people getthethehg. Be just well intentioned people getting wrong. I mean, getting it really wrong. I mean, thethe getting it really wrong. 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But what we have also seen is Government Agencies , certainly in the United States , using that sort of what you might call cultural wokeism, a kind of Political Correctness us, particularly around so called hate speech race. But also climate change. Certainly covid and election denialism and using those justifications for censorship just because youre looking if you want to justify censorship, you have to point to real world harm. And so what those what that cultural wokeism doesisit those what that cultural wokeism does is it provides what you might call a predicate for censorship. And they keep censorship. And they keep seeking predicates. Us seeking out new predicates. 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And whether from slavery or the womens right to vote or any Civil Rights Movement that has ever demanded censorship , its ever demanded censorship, its always been the opposite. Theyve always demanded their right to speak. So to theyve always demanded their right to speak. So to see theyve always demanded their right to speak. So to see groups that are claiming to want censorship in the name of human freedom or of democracy, you know that they are obviously totalitarian or authoritarian at a minimum in their intentions, and that those arent good intentions. Those are poor intentions. Those are poor intentions and so were i think were at risk of seeing a kind of, you know, psychopathology thats been in the culture for a long time, being being taken advantage of by some state actors , as with taxpayer money, actors, as with taxpayer money, to demand that we not be allowed for ourselves. 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I think that, you know, we the most important thing is that the vast majority of people in the United States and in britain and i believe around world, would like around the world, would like to have strong free speech have very strong free speech protections we have in the protections like we have in the United States, where we have a First Amendment. We not allow First Amendment. We do not allow the government to regulate speech. A very strong level speech. Its a very strong level of protection. We think that that ought be the standard that ought to be the standard worldwide that social worldwide and that the social media must that Media Companies must take that standard worldwide and that the content moderation decision that they make should they inevitably make should simply be reported. Since more speech is the solution, not less speech is the solution, not less speech or censorship. And so we are, as i mentioned , building are, as i mentioned, building a Free Speech Movement around the world. Many of the people that you would have thought that would have been on the side of more have actually more free speech have actually been censorship. Sadly been demanding censorship. Sadly and ironically and so we are coming to london on june 22nd to the 23rd. Were doing an event at 7 pm. On june 22nd with Russell Brand at at central hall, westminster to really build this movement because really the United States and britain are the heart of the Global Movement thats existed for hundreds of years to demand greater free speech rights. And we want to see citizens demanding very high First Amendment levels of free speech for all of our countries around the world, whether theyre in the world, whether theyre in the west and English Speaking or theyre places like india and theyre in places like india and turkey, are turkey, which which are also governments censorship governments demanding censorship. Ultimately there. So we think ultimately there needs a citizens movement. Needs to be a citizens movement. Well, sounds very, very well, this sounds very, very important me. Im glad to important to me. Im glad to hear important to me. Im glad to heat ye important to me. Im glad to hear youre coming important to me. Im glad to hear youre coming to im glad to hear youre coming to london june hear youre coming to london junei hear youre coming to london junei thht hear youre coming to london june i think people should june 22nd. I think people should tethttety june 22nd. I think people should definitelyalong june 22nd. 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So thats all we got time for at the moment, but do got time for at the moment, but te join got time for at the moment, but te join ee got time for at the moment, but do join us after got time for at the moment, but do join us after the got time for at the moment, but do join us after the break on tree do join us after the break on tree speech do join us after the break on free speech nation, where ill be free speech nation, where ill he egeethg free speech nation, where ill he egeethg te free speech nation, where ill be speaking to ella whelan about the preteete be speaking to ella whelan about the protests which be speaking to ella whelan about the protests which disrupted be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstocksh disrupted be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstocks speech ted be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstocks speech atd be speaking to ella whelan about the protezstocks speech at the kathleen stocks speech at the ethere kathleen stocks speech at the extett uhteh kathleen stocks speech at the oxford union last kathleen stocks speech at the oxford union last week. 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Welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew heyte speech nation with me, andrew heyte eettvtet speech nation with me, andrew doyle activist riz speech nation with me, andrew doyle activist riz posnet ttetuptet doyle activist riz posnet ttetugtet e doyle activist riz posnet disrupted a speech by gender ehtteet disrupted a speech by gender critical feminist disrupted a speech by gender critical feminist kathleen stock to critical feminist kathleen stock te the critical feminist kathleen stock te the extent critical feminist kathleen stock to the oxford union debating seetety to the Oxford Union Debating Society earlier to the Oxford Union Debating Society earlier this week, weehhg society earlier this week, weehhg e society earlier this week, weehhg e t society earlier this week, wearing a t shirt which read no teet wearing a t shirt which read no more dead trans wearing a t shirt which read no more dead trans kids, posnett gtuet more dead trans kids, posnett gtuet heteett more dead trans kids, posnett glued herself to more dead trans kids, posnett glued herself to the floor hetete glued herself to the floor before being glued herself to the floor before being removed by police. 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But also there is this sort of slightly humorous kind of suggestion that in one of the parts of her statement is that kathleen stocks comments are unked kathleen stocks comments are linked to waiting times and genden linked to waiting times and gender, reaffirming surgery or treatment, which is i mean, thats slightly off the hook, but theres a kind of yes, i mean, it seems very histrionic. And, you know, the thing and, you know, theathing about and, you know, the thing about thet and, you know, the thing about that te and, you know, the thing about that he she and, you know, the thing about that is she also and, you know, the thing about that is she also says that shes ehtt that is she also says that shes ehtthghte that is she also says that shes antirightskind. Anti trans rights in this kind of anti trans rights in this kind etteetuetty anti trans rights in this kind of factually wrong of thats factually wrong as wet. Of thats factually wrong as well. 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Identitjgot then man and woman, these are identitjgot feminists then man and woman, these are identitjgot feminists forthen man and woman, these are identitjgot feminists for whom youve got feminists for whom not youve got feminists for whom het thet youve got feminists for whom not just feminists, but 99 of human not just feminists, but 99 of humantet not just feminists, but 99 of human for whom not just feminists, but 99 of human for whom male and human beings for whom male and tehete human beings for whom male and tehete ee human beings for whom male and female are biological classification as biological eetegehee classification as biological categories. How can a discussion hehheh categories. How can a discussion happen when categories. How can a discussion even happen when people have even happen when two people have eehptetety even happen when two people have completely different completely different definitions . Completely different definitions . Starting to definitions . Im starting to think a little bit like and think its a little bit like and im just going harsh to im just going to sound harsh to people but im people of faith here, but im starting think its little starting to think its a little bit you to have a bit like when you try to have a row with someone who in row with someone who believes in god. You dont believe in god. When you dont believe in god. When you dont believe in god. Theres only so far can god. Theres only so far you can get have to both say, get until you have to both say, okay, now weve weve met okay, and now weve weve met our limit ive, you okay, and now weve weve met our lircannot ive, you okay, and now weve weve met our lircannot get ive, you okay, and now weve weve met our lircannot get on e, you okay, and now weve weve met our lircannot get on board with know, cannot get on board with what youre saying. And i think the of, you know, the trans the kind of, you know, the trans rights kind of gender rights activists kind of gender power ideology has gotten to that point where it is a kind of new religion where there is just either either you believe or either either you believe it or you dont. Yes. And you said, you dont. Yes. And as you said, a lot of it isnt based in reality, but the interesting thing about the debate stuff thing about the no debate stuff is response to rizas is that in response to rizas protest , there were of protest, there were lots of people , a lot of irritating people, a lot of irritating academics as it happens, piling in and saying, but this is free speech. Come on, you free speech warriors. This is free speech. She should allowed stay she should be allowed to stay there. Kathleen can do her there. Kathleen stock can do her talk raise stays there. And there. Kathleen stock can do her talk know,3ise stays there. And there. Kathleen stock can do her talk know, thatsays there. And there. Kathleen stock can do her talk know, thats thatszre. And there. Kathleen stock can do her talk know, thats thats at. And there. Kathleen stock can do her talk know, thats thats a free d you know, thats thats a free society which is just ridiculous. I mean, you know, speaking as someone who organises the battle of ideas festival, i how what festival, i know how what happens run an event happens when you run an event and not you know , youre and youre not you know, youre not youre not meant to not allowed youre not meant to be with someone just coming be okay with someone just coming in, the table or on in, sitting on the table or on the floor of you and the floor in front of you and messing your whole event. Messing up your whole event. Thats not protest. Its a really infantile of looking really infantile way of looking at actually at the what protest actually means. And anyone who has done a stunt like that knows you do it. You go in, you try and make as much, you know, noise, song and dance, moved on dance, and then you get moved on and understand that are dance, and then you get moved on and to understand that are dance, and then you get moved on and to geterstand that are dance, and then you get moved on and to get moved that are dance, and then you get moved on and to get moved onit are dance, and then you get moved on and to get moved on because; going to get moved on because the interesting about the the interesting thing about the sort argument sort of this trans argument is that say there is no debate that they say there is no debate and any kind of good protest is actually a debate because what youre meant to doing a youre meant to be doing on a on a on sort successful a on a sort of successful political protest winning political protest is Winning People cause. And people to your cause. And unfortunately, a bit unfortunately, i think a bit a bit of extinction bit kind of like Extinction Rebellion , those kind of rebellion, those kind of protesters. A of these trans protesters. A lot of these trans activists arent dont want to convince the general public about their point of view. They just want to throw their toys out pram. And thats the out of the pram. And thats the preteen. Out of the pram. And thats the gtehteh. Tent out of the pram. And thats the problem, isnt it . Out of the pram. And thats the problem, isnt it . Its and thats the problem, isnt it . Its one thhg problem, isnt it . Its one thing protesting against eehethhg something which im sure we wette something which im sure we wewtt ttel would both support, but its ehethet would both support, but its anotherdisrupt would both support, but its another disrupt so that another thing to disrupt so that ether another thing to disrupt so that etheretet another thing to disrupt so that othercant hear. Another thing to disrupt so that other cant hear. Youve other people cant hear. Youve het other people cant hear. Youve even had protesters punching gehtet even had protesters punching. Gehtet the gender critical feminists in the tee gender critical feminists in the theeget gender critical feminists in the teee get them. Gender critical feminists in the face get them. So l face to try and get them. So teeetthg face to try and get them. So resorting violence. This resorting to violence. This is a twhtehehtet resorting to violence. This is a fundamental misunderstanding. Whet heehti what a liberal society is meant to what a liberal society is meant te we. What a liberal society is meant te we. T what a liberal society is meant te we. T heehi to be, right . Yeah. No, i mean, eeeewtt to be, right . Yeah. No, i mean, eeeewtt tent to be, right . Yeah. No, i mean, assault isnt protest, right . Hut assault isnt protest, right . Hut then assault isnt protest, right . Hut thenyew assault isnt protest, right . But then. You but assault isnt protest, right . I but then. You but on but then but, you know. But on the other hand, a protest is supposed to be disruptive. Ive done lots things myself done lots of things myself throughout career throughout my University Career where you went and just where you went in and just obnoxious things. I started clapping really loudly and things like that. But you understood you got understood that you then got moved on. Nobody sat in the middle of the floor and said , middle of the floor and said, how have a right to how dare you . I have a right to be here because we werent, thankfully, least. Mean, thankfully, at least. I mean, even scenario , we werent even this scenario, we werent so narcissistic as thinking that the i think this is the world. I think this is a real problem with current real problem with the current approach protest related to approach to protest related to the stuff, but also this is the eco stuff, but also this is that there is just this sense of you, am the centre of the you, i am the centre of the universe and whats going on around me doesnt matter when in actual the actual fact, to reiterate the point, kind of good protest point, any kind of good protest or of good stunt or any kind of good stunt interacts the world around interacts with the world around you you know, this you. And so, you know, this isnt your sitting youre isnt your sitting room. Youre not to stay here. Not allowed to just stay here. Youre get out. Youre going to get kicked out. Well, authoritarian well, it feels authoritariani because,tyrants well, it feels authoritarian because,tyrants dont because, you know, tyrants dont tettte because, you know, tyrants dont debate. Debate. Because, you know, tyrants dont debate. Debate. Do i debate. They say no debate. Do whet debate. They say no debate. Do whet t debate. They say no debate. Do whet t eey. Debate. They say no debate. Do what i saythats debate. They say no debate. Do what i say. Thats what what i say. And thats what these what i say. And thats what theseete what i say. And thats what theseare doing what i say. And thats what these are doing right . These people are doing right . Veeh. These people are doing right . Veeh. Theyte these people are doing right . I yeah. Theyrethat yeah. And theyre saying that the presence a debate the very presence of a debate that that kathleen stalks literal physical bodily presence in a room is threatening to them. You know, actually, if you go back to, you know, that documentary that detailed the talk that she gave at Cambridge University, where she was at the debate debating society, and she said , im not even to be said, im not even meant to be here talk about gender here to talk about gender ideology. Was about here to talk about gender ideo of |y. Was about here to talk about gender ideo of offence was about here to talk about gender ideo of offence and was about here to talk about gender ideo of offence and free s about here to talk about gender ideo of offence and free speech sort of offence and free speech and more general but the and more general things. But the very which they very fact that this which they see her was on campus meant that they all lost their minds. I mean, maybe she does have supernatural powers, i dont know, she to make know, because she seems to make a people lose it. But, a lot of people lose it. But, but not the kind of, you but not for the kind of, you know not dont with know, not they dont engage with the that she has. I think the ideas that she has. I think thats a terrible shame. Ella whelan , thanks much for whelan, thanks very much for joining it for our joining me. Thats it for our thet joining me. Thats it for our thethut joining me. Thats it for our firstbut please joining me. Thats it for our. Firstbut pleasego first hour. But please dont go away. First hour. But please dont go away. Tet first hour. But please dont go away. Lot more. Away. Weve got a lot more eehhg away. Weve got a lot more eehhghew away. Weve got a lot more comingnow and. Away. Weve got a lot more comingnow and see coming between now and 9 00. See you coming between now and 9 00. See yewmement coming between now and 9 00. See yewheheht. Theres plenty more still to come on free theres plenty more still to come on free speech nation this weet. Come on free speech nation this week, including come on free speech nation this week, including more audience gweettene week, including more audience questions. This week, including more audience questions. This weeks social sweetene questions. This weeks social sensations. And questions. This weeks social sensations. And well be ehwehhg sensations. And well be answering your unfiltered tttemmee answering your unfiltered dilemmas. But first, lets get the dilemmas. But first, lets get the ew dilemmas. But first, lets get the News Headlines from bethany they the News Headlines from bethany tteey. The News Headlines from bethany they. The News Headlines from bethany tteey. Wherew the News Headlines from bethany elsey. Andrew, thank the News Headlines from bethany elsey. t see 5. The News Headlines from bethany elsey. m elsey. Andrew, thank you. Hello. Im bethany elsey with your top stories from the newsroom. The immigration minister says the uks asylum system is riddled with abuse and that the government must reduce its reliance on hotels to house migrants. Its after protests were held outside a hotel in Central London where migrants were asked to sleep for to a room. Speaking to camilla tominey, Robert Jenrick said its wrong for migrants to demand better accommodation while there asylum claims are processed. He also said the uk processed. He also said the uk is spending £6 million a day on hotels and that asking migrants to share a room is necessary to get value for taxpayers money. Member for these are migrants who have said they are destitute, theyve said that they have absolutely nowhere to stay, no friends, no family, no money. And the taxpayer is etegphg money. And the taxpayer is stepping up money. And the taxpayer is stepping up and titti; t and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing dwi; and the taxpayer is stepping up and providing them wtth stepping up and providing them wtth geet stepping up and providing them with good quality accommodation and with good quality accommodation eht teete with good quality accommodation the heart the with good quality accommodation and board and lodgings. And so these and board and lodgings. And so these t and board and lodgings. And so these t thht and board and lodgings. And so those i think those migrants are wtehg those i think those migrants are wtehg te those i think those migrants are wrong to protest those i think those migrants are wrong to protest and say that they wrong to protest and say that they deserve wrong to protest and say that they deserve to wrong to protest and say that they deserve to have single hetteeh they deserve to have single bedroom homes they deserve to have single bedroom homes with en suite hethteehe bedroom homes with en suite bathrooms and bedroom homes with en suite bathrooms and so on. And im hteeeet bathrooms and so on. And im pteeeet te bathrooms and so on. And im pleased to see bathrooms and so on. And im pleased to see that common sense te pleased to see that common sense te hewe pleased to see that common sense seems to have prevailed in this heteet seems to have prevailed in this case. Dorset police seems to have prevailed in this case. Dorset police have named the w case. Dorset police have named the w yew case. Dorset police have named the h yeet ete case. Dorset police have named the 17 year old boy case. Dorset police have named the 17 year old boy who died ettet the 17 year old boy who died the getthg the 17 year old boy who died after getting into difficulty in the water after getting into difficulty in the water off after getting into difficulty in the water off bournemouth beach on the water off bournemouth beach eh wetheetey the water off bournemouth beach eh wetheetey. The water off bournemouth beach on wednesday. Joe the water off bournemouth beach on wednesday. on wednesday. Joe abbas from southampton died after being pulled from the sea. In pulled from the sea. In a statement, his family said they were heartbroken and devastated and describing him as a fabulous young man, a 12 Year Old Girl named in reports as sunak khan from high wycombe in buckinghamshire also died in the incident , which involved ten incident, which involved ten swimmers as a site seeing boat named the dorset belle has been impounded by police. A man has impounded by police. A man has been charged after allegedly wearing a shirt to the fa cup final yesterday , which appeared final yesterday, which appeared to have an offensive reference to have an offensive reference to the hillsborough disaster. 33 year old james white from warwickshire has been charged with displaying a threatening or abusive writing. He is expected abusive writing. He is expected to appear at Willesden Magistrates Court next week. 97 liverpool fans died. In 1989 at liverpool fans died. In 1989 at hillsborough stadium in sheffield and authorities in india say a signal problem was likely responsible for the countrys worst train crash in decades. Countrys worst train crash in decades. As 275 people were decades. As 275 people were killed in the accident at another 1200 were injured when a passenger train hit a stationary Freight Train before derailing and striking a second passenger train. Prime minister narendra train. Prime minister Narendra Modi has vowed to punish anyone found response able. And a found response able. And a labour mp has told gb news victims are too scared to complain about sexual predators in parliament. Charlotte nicholls said harassment is baked into every single part of how westminster operate. S she how westminster operate. S she also accused the labour party of choosing not to act on concerns raised about a number of colleagues over a very long period. Her comments come after she revealed being handed a list of 30 mps she should avoid when first becoming an mp. Youre up first becoming an mp. Youre up to date on gb news now lets get back to free speech nation. Back to free speech nation. And welcome back to free speech nation. Were going to start the nation. Were going to start this section nation. Were going to start this section of nation. Were going to start this section of the \ were going to start this section of the show with some questions this section of the show with some questions from our ewttehee some questions from our audience. This some questions from our audience. This one is from kasia. We audience. This one is from kasia. We have audience. This one is from kasia. We have t audience. This one is from kasia. We have a kasia audience. This one is from kasia. We have a kasia here. Hello. Htye. We have a kasia here. Hello. Htye. Htye. We have a kasia here. Hello. Htye. Htye. We have a kasia here. Hello. Hiya. Hiya shes. We have a kasia here. Hello. Hiya. Hiya s g hiya. Hiya shes talking to ken loach. Stop you from becoming a candidate for mayor okay, so this is an interesting se okay, so this is an interesting one. So labours okay, so this is an interesting one. So labours north of tyne meyer one. So labours north of tyne theyet tehte one. So labours north of tyne mayor Jamie Driscoll has been mayorJamie Driscoll has been hteetet mayorJamie Driscoll has been blocked from mayorJamie Driscoll has been blocked from their list of candidates blocked from their list of candidates for blocked from their list of candidates for the first ever hetth eeet candidates for the first ever north east mayoral election. He north east mayoral election. He been north east mayoral election. Its been suggested that when its been suggested that driscoll has its been suggested that driscoll has been barred because he appeared driscoll has been barred because he appearedevent driscoll has been barred because he appeared event with he appeared at an event with tth he appeared at an event with film director he appeared at an event with film director and he appeared at an event with film director and expelled tehew film director and expelled labourken film director and expelled labour ken loach, film director and expelled labour ken loach, which labour member ken loach, which was labour member ken loach, which h labour member ken loach, which was in newcastle labour member ken loach, which was in newcastle earlier this year was in newcastle earlier this year. Was in newcastle earlier this year. Ae was in newcastle earlier this year. As labour was in newcastle earlier this year. As labour said, certain year. As labour said, certain eehtttetee year. As labour said, certain candidates quote, did not meet the threshold candidates quote, did not meet the threshold required, but tttht the threshold required, but tttht ge the threshold required, but tttht ge thy the threshold required, but didnt go any further than that. The didnt go any further than that. The seeme didnt go any further than that. This seems shrouded in mystery, teetht this seems shrouded in mystery, teeeht tt this seems shrouded in mystery, teeeht tt. This seems shrouded in mystery, doesnt it , teresita . Whats doesnt it, teresita . Whats going doesnt it, teresita . Whats gehg ene doesnt it, teresita . Whats gehg ehe doesnt it, teresita . Whats gehg ehe t doesnt it, teresita . Whats going on . I dont doesnt it, teresita . Whats going on . Titit. Going on . I dont know whats going on . I dont know whats going on. I mean, on the one hand, i think him in because hand, i think let him in because then vote him. Then people can vote for him. Thats the point. Other thats the point. On the other hand, are hand, of course, labour are entitled say, we dont entitled to say, we dont want you. Well, i suppose they are. Hut you. Well, i suppose they are. Hute you. Well, i suppose they are. Hute tett you. Well, i suppose they are. Buta bit strange well, i suppose they are. But a bit strange that but isnt it a bit strange that he but isnt it a bit strange that tte the but isnt it a bit strange that tte the teetl but isnt it a bit strange that. Its the fact that its just based on the fact that heeh its just based on the fact that heeh e its just based on the fact that heeh e genet its just based on the fact that he on a panel with he appeared on a panel with someone who he appeared on a panel with someone who defended certain someone who had defended certain heehte someone who had defended certain geegte heehte someone who had defended certain geepte heehte h people that some people in tehew people that some people in labourlike . 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And because he said thatthen this witch hunt. And because he said thatthen this guy, witch hunt. And because he said that then this guy, jamie that and then this guy, jamie hheeett that and then this guy, Jamie Driscoll, with| driscoll, sat on a panel with hhh driscoll, sat on a panel with hhhtheh driscoll, sat on a panel with him. Then so driscoll, sat on a panel with him. Then so this driscoll, sat on a panel with him. Then so this is like him. Yeah. Then so this is like etheet him. Yeah. Then so this is like etheet tthe him. Yeah. Then so this is like almost like three him. Yeah. Then so this is like almost like three removed forms of contamination almost like three removed forms of contamination , almost like three removed forms of contamination , isnt it . Of contamination, isnt it . Wett of contamination, isnt it . Wett. Thet of contamination, isnt it . Well, firstall, of contamination, isnt it . Well, first. All,. A of contamination, isnt it . Well, first. All, i a jew,| well, first of all, as a jew, theyre always blaming the jews in some another. The jews in some way or another. The jews made this. Its like the made us do this. Its like the devil made do the jews made devil made us do the jews made us get rid this and so i us get rid of this guy and so i havent said that, by way. Havent said that, by the way. But basically thats what you havent but thats havent said it. But thats basically saying. Basically what theyre saying. Theyre want theyre saying we didnt want to take this. Take away. We didnt want this. We driscoll is what we love Jamie Driscoll is what theyre ken loach theyre saying. But ken loach hung with who hung out with somebody who was against its against the jews. So its basically, if i have to say, for defamation purposes, would defamation purposes, he would deny that out with deny that he hung out with people who hate the jews. I people who hate the jews. 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Labour has been out of power for so long just gagging long and theyre just gagging for want to win. For it and they want to win. They sure they they want to make sure that they win. This keir starmer guy win. And this keir starmer guy is as a real macho is strikes me as a real macho alpha really never struck me like that. He just strikes me as a like that. He just strikes me as every like that. He just strikes me as e wety yew like that. He just strikes me as e wety yew eh like that. He just strikes me as a very you can see e he just strikes me as a very you can see hes just so heety a very you can see hes just so heety eht a very you can see hes just so meaty and fleshy a very you can see hes just so meaty and fleshy and just very hehty. Meaty and fleshy and just very hehty. |ththt meaty and fleshy and just very manly. Ithink a meaty and fleshy and just very manly. Ithink a lot. I meaty and fleshy and just very manly. I mean, manly. I think a lot. I mean, thete manly. I think a lot. 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But the Labour Party People to go in a party wants people to go in a row with them. They want to believe and the fact that this guy its like this. Im walking in the woods. Germany. In in the woods. Its germany. In 1942 or something. And i see a group of guys and theyre whistling wagner. All right. Okay. Where is this going . Its okay. Where is this going . Its going to the point where im saying that whistling wagner. So im a jew. Maybe as a jew, i shouldnt be hanging out with them. Not that wagner them. Yes. Its not that wagner is so bad, but they like those people. Lot of a lot of people people. A lot of a lot of people like wagner, lot of jewish like wagner, a lot of jewish people now like wagner, a lot of jewish peop do, now like wagner, a lot of jewish peopdo, because now like wagner, a lot of jewish peopdo, because the now like wagner, a lot of jewish peopdo, because the memories they do, because the memories are maybe at the time it was a bit sensitive. 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Were going to get a question, a couple of questions hem se question, a couple of questions| hem se from our viewers now. So weve get hem from our viewers now. So weve get hem hehettl from our viewers now. So weve. Got from donald. This got a question from donald. This is got a question from donald. This he eh got a question from donald. This he eh emett got a question from donald. This is on email. Donald got a question from donald. This is on email. Donald says, is it heweehhteh is on email. Donald says, is it now complain about is on email. Donald says, is it nowcomplain about males now okay to complain about males in now okay to complain about males hehehghg now okay to complain about malesj hehehghgotey in womens changing rooms . Okay. The et this is an ongoing thing, of course,is to this is an ongoing thing, of course,is to do. 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And i know a lot of people have reservations of reservations about his points of view things. But the view on many things. But the key message that film is message of that film is precisely saying, precisely what youre saying, is that, have to that, you know, we have to acknowledge biological reality. Why . Because we have to why . Why why . Because we have to acknowledge, you dont why . Why why . Because we have to ackrt01ledge, you dont why . Why why . Because we have to ackrto acknowledge you dont why . Why why . Because we have to ackrto acknowledge reality,nt why . Why why . Because we have to ackrto acknowledge reality, but like to acknowledge reality, but theres ways in theres all sorts of ways in which its which its important. Its important of important in terms of safeguarding. In important in terms of safegtofjing. In important in terms of safegtof rights. In important in terms of safegtof rights. Its in important in terms of safegtof rights. Its important terms of rights. 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And its probably the same age. I mean, its about same age. I mean, its about he same age. I mean, its about he ehewt same age. I mean, its about he ehewt yew. Same age. I mean, its about its about you. Youre very tegmette its about you. Youre very tegmette h its about you. Youre very dogmatic in this. Youre seeing it dogmatic in this. Youre seeing tt hem dogmatic in this. Youre seeing tt them the dogmatic in this. Youre seeing it from this side. Dogmatic in this. Youre seeing it from this side. Im just eeymg it from this side. Im just eeymg the it from this side. Im just saying the other side, in their mhet saying the other side, in their mht. Hee saying the other side, in their mht. Hee e saying the other side, in their mind, has a complete valid view. I mind, has a complete valid view. T tteegtee mind, has a complete valid view. I disagree with mind, has a complete valid view. I disagree with that. t i disagree with that. And the t i disagree with that. And the t the i disagree with that. And the reason i the reason i disagree with that is because that side of the argument, the one that youre presenting, involves a complete repudiation reality youre presenting, involves a cand. Ete repudiation reality youre presenting, involves a cand thatspudiation reality youre presenting, involves a cand thatspudi somethingility youre presenting, involves a cand thatspudi something that. And thats not something that im think im prepared to do. I think ultimately to accept ultimately we have to accept that some things real and that some things are real and some not. Some things some things are not. Some things are your religion. Is are religion, your religion. Is that reality . Is the religion of teetttye that reality . Is the religion of teetttye th that reality . Is the religion ofi reality . Is upside that reality . Is the religion of. Reality . Is upside to reality . Yes. Which is upside to that precedent. What you that precedent. What do you think notion that we have think is my notion that we have to acknowledge reality . A religion . Its like that. Gravity whats all that about . Oh, gravity. Yeah. I mean, well, oh, gravity. Yeah. I mean, well, ehewtt oh, gravity. Yeah. I mean, well, ehewtt we oh, gravity. Yeah. I mean, well, should we just oh, gravity. Yeah. I mean, well, should we just forget . should we just forget . I mean, sheeti should we just forget . I mean, should lewis should we just forget . I mean, should lewis should be floating up every january . I think gravity up every january . I think gtewty eeht up every january . I think gravity cant be up every january . I think gravity cant be real e. Tittig 7 i think gravity cant be real after the chhetmee. Gravity cant be real after the christmas. Would. Gravity cant be real after the christmas. christmas. Yeah, i would say lewis, thats enough for you. But think both think both but i think both i think both sides argument. Sides are presented an argument. And lets honest, and i think lets be honest, we all which weaker. All know which one is weaker. Okay so were going to move on to email from joan, joan to an email from joan, and joan says accidentally being seen says is accidentally being seen getting dressed cause for dismissal. Okay, so this is to do with the full monty. I mean do with the full monty. I mean youll have seen this. I think youll have seen this. I think youll have seen this. I think youll have seen this. I think youll have seen this is the actor hugo speer. He lost his job on the tv version of the full monty. Thats a sort of rewrite the series halfway through because he wasnt in there and he was dismissed because a runner entered his trailer while he was getting changed. He says he called out asking to her wait and that he hid behind wardrobe. Nb so hid behind a wardrobe. Nb so whats on here . Lewis so, whats going on here . Lewis so, so it feels like hes been really put through it. Well, i read the thing and cece; g. Well, i read the thing and obviously yee read the thing and obviously youre someone read the thing and obviously youre someone whos never been thet youre someone whos never been thet hem youre someone whos never been thet hem e youre someone whos never been thet hem e tet youre someone whos never been fired from a job and, and i thht fired from a job and, and i think after fired from a job and, and i think after tonight i might be yeeh think after tonight i might be yeeh. Ahe think after tonight i might be yeeh. Hht t think after tonight i might be yeah. And i just, think after tonight i might be yeah. And i just, i, we dont thew yeah. And i just, i, we dont thew why yeah. And i just, i, we dont thew why the yeah. And i just, i, we dont know why the guy was fired. He teete know why the guy was fired. He eewtt hewe know why the guy was fired. He could have. Its know why the guy was fired. He could have. Its the same way. Tthe could have. 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So what youre saying with hugo speer is we dont know what happened, but what is what we have got is his testimony , which come out, testimony, which has come out, which, you know, its pretty distressing if what hes saying is really unfair, distressing if what hes saying is it . Really unfair, distressing if what hes saying is it . Theres unfair, distressing if what hes saying is it . Theres anfair, distressing if what hes saying is it . Theres a complete isnt it . Theres a complete teet isnt it . Theres a completei tett thetee lack of investigation. Theres an lack of investigation. Theres whee lack of investigation. Theres. 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This isnt somebody getting hired for six weeks minutes. I dont know. Six weeks minutes. I dont know. And getting thrown out. I mean hed got good long but he he hed got a good long but he he was crying and the thing he was crying, wife was saying, oh, crying, his wife was saying, oh, he at night. Its he cant sleep at night. Its all of horribleness. He cant sleep at night. Itsi allof horribleness. And all sorts of horribleness. And at all sorts of horribleness. And eteht all sorts of horribleness. And eteht et all sorts of horribleness. And eteht ettey all sorts of horribleness. And at end of day you just at the end of the day you just there at the end of the day you just thetele at the end of the day you just therea there at the end of the day you just there i a there i a at the end of the day you just therea there la is,| there is a there is a there is, thewgh there is a there is a there is, thewgh. 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You know, when the seetteht good thing. You know, when the Scotland Yard good thing. You know, when the Scotland Yard came g 3 you know, when the Scotland Yard came out and said the hy Scotland Yard came out and said the hy cert Scotland Yard came out and said the by carl beech. The accusations by carl beech egehet htghl against these various high temthg theyl ranking politicians, they described ranking politicians, they described credible described them as credible and thee. Described them as credible and hee thee described them as credible and hee hee. Described them as credible andj true, lies. Right. True, but they were lies. Right. The true, but they were lies. Right. Antheehte true, but they were lies. Right. Andpeople died true, but they were lies. Right. And people died not knowing and some people died not knowing theyt and some people died not knowing theyt teem and some people died not knowing theyd been cleared. And some people died not knowing theyd been cleared. Its very serious stuff. Theyd been cleared. Its very serious stuff. This theyd been cleared. Its very serious stuff. I serious stuff. This is a private company, andrew. And but company, andrew. And there but we have tribunal tribunal we still have tribunal tribunal laws and cant just laws here. And you cant just the laws here. And you cant just fire someone laws here. And you cant just fire someone for laws here. And you cant just fire someone for no ittii and you cant just fire someone for no good reason. There fire someone for no good reason. Therete fire someone for no good reason. Therete he fire someone for no good reason. Therete he eh there has to be an investigation. Should investigation. They should be. Vee investigation. They should be. Teeetete investigation. They should be. Teeetete te investigation. They should be. Youable to fire you should be able to fire anybody. We want oh, anybody. We dont want you. Oh, thats no, thats your stupid american. No, it it is. Okay moving on now it is. It is. Okay moving on now to question. This is to our next question. This is from a twitter to our next question. This is from a twitter account. I tixi i tit this is from a twitter account. This is ahgettgwe. From a twitter account. This is angelique. Angelique says, is it teetet het racist to give a film a bad ewew racist to give a film a bad review . This racist to give a film a bad review . This is racist to give a film a bad review . This is an odd one. Review . So this is an odd one. So review . So this is an odd one. Seete review . So this is an odd one. Seete weheee review . So this is an odd one. Soare various sort review . So this is an odd one. So are various sort of so there are various sort of htethet so there are various sort of internet sites so there are various sort of internet sites where give internet sites where they give various public. Internet sites where they give. Various public can various reviews. The public can eehmtt thte various reviews. The public can submit this one. Various reviews. The public cani submit this one is submit reviews. And this one is teteh submit reviews. And this one is ttthh ehe submit reviews. And this one is imdb and theyve submit reviews. And this one is imdb and theyve got their entry on imdb and theyve got their entry eh the imdb and theyve got their entry eh the ttttte imdb and theyve got their entry on the Little Mermaid. This is the on the Little Mermaid. This is the emete on the Little Mermaid. This is the remake live on the Little Mermaid. This is the remake live action remake of the the remake live action remake of the ttttte the remake live action remake of the Little Mermaid the remake live action remake of the Little Mermaid. There have the Little Mermaid. There have been the Little Mermaid. There have teem tete the Little Mermaid. There have been lots and the Little Mermaid. There have been lots and lots the Little Mermaid. There have been lots and lots of bad reviews and been lots and lots of bad reviews and theyve these reviews and theyve said these are reviews and theyve said these eeewetwe reviews and theyve said these are reviews because they are racist reviews because they eeet are racist reviews because they eeet e are racist reviews because they eeet e hteet are racist reviews because they cast a black actress in the lead tete cast a black actress in the lead eete. Cast a black actress in the lead eete. Wew. Cast a black actress in the lead eete. Wew. Tte cast a black actress in the lead role. Now, its interesting, role. Now, its interesting, the role. Now, its interesting, thte ehe role. Now, its interesting, this one, lewis, role. 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Yes, theyretheyre saying, theyre saying theyre saying, we thet theyre saying theyre saying, we that these i we dont believe that these reviews faith. I we dont believe that these reviews faith. And reviews are in good faith. And that reviews are in good faith. And thetettwete reviews are in good faith. And imdb private company and imdb is a private company and they allowed they should be allowed to eliminate and revamp eliminate reviews and revamp eluate as they see fit. But we as free citizens, as not really, but we as free citizens have a right to go. You know what . We dont trust imdb anymore in that stock prices go down. Thats the problem. We wont be able to treet problem. We wont be able to trust reviews, problem. We wont be able to trust reviews, will we wont be able to trust reviews, will we, if they teet trust reviews, will we, if they teet tete trust reviews, will we, if they just take. Would trust reviews, will we, if they just take. Would you ever trust ehyththge just take. Would you ever trust ehyththge just take. Would you ever trust anything . Theres just take. Would you ever trust anything . Theres no trust in this world. Theres such this world. Theres no such thing gravity. Yeah, i know, thing as gravity. Yeah, i know, tewte thing as gravity. Yeah, i know, tewtewe e thing as gravity. Yeah, i know,i tewte wetete lewis. I knew you were going to get there lewis. I knew you were going to get there eventually. g get there eventually. Him saying thelove. Yeah. Get there eventually. Him saying thelove. Yeah. Yeah. The death of love. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Prescient. The death of love. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Prescient. But the death of love. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Prescient. But this i yeah. Yeah. It is prescient. But this is it is so prescient. But this is an it is so prescient. But this isi ehtemhe t an interesting one. It reminds me an interesting one. It reminds thewheh an interesting one. It reminds thewheh the an interesting one. It reminds me when the last jedi me a bit of when the last jedi eemeehe me a bit of when the last jedi cameand all me a bit of when the last jedi came. And all the me a bit of when the last jedi came and all the critics came out and all the critics revet came out and all the critics eewet eheet came out and all the critics raved about it came out and all the critics raved about it and they said, he raved about it and they said, he ee raved about it and they said, he et raved about it and they said, its one of those raved about it and they said, its one of those star wars htme its one of those star wars tttme twe its one of those star wars films ive heard its one of those star wars films ive heard star its one of those star wars films ive heard. Star or films ive heard of star trek or were. Films ive heard of star trek or wars, watchedl wars, but ive never watched them. Wars, but ive never watched them. Yee them. Ill give you the ghmetgte. Them. Ill give you the principle. It them. Ill give you the principle. It was film them. Ill give you the principle. It was lfilm that principle. So it was a film that cameabsolutely principle. So it was a film that came absolutely terrible came out absolutely terrible htm came out absolutely terrible. Htm the film, objectively bad. And the ehttee film, objectively bad. And the critics because film, objectively bad. And the criticsbecause it film, objectively bad. And the critics because it was critics loved it because it was very critics loved it because it was weweete critics loved it because it was wewwetewewl critics loved it because it was. Verywokevery kind very kind of woke and very kind of very kind of woke and very kind et gtegteeetwe very kind of woke and very kind of progressiveall very kind of woke and very kind of progressive all fans of progressive and all the fans hetet of progressive and all the fans hetettheee of progressive and all the fans hated these websites, hated it. So on these websites, you hated it. So on these websites, yee het hated it. So on these websites, yee het ttte hated it. So on these websites, you had like 0 hated it. So on these websites, you had like 0 ratings from the tene you had like 0 ratings from the hem ehe you had like 0 ratings from the fans and 100 you had like 0 ratings from the fans and 100 from critics. Fans and 100 from the critics. Ahe fans and 100 from the critics. Tthe vee fans and 100 from the critics. | amt tee thew. And it was just mad. You know, i ththt and it was just mad. You know, i ththttet and it was just mad. You know, i thinklet people and it was just mad. You know, i think let people speak, let think just let people speak, let geehte think just let people speak, let peopleincluding people express including the ehttee hei people express including the ehttee he yee critics who were wrong. Do you thmt critics who were wrong. Do you thetttt critics who were wrong. Do you thmtttt et critics who were wrong. Do you think bit of go go think theres a bit of go go broke here that people are just purposely broke here that people are just purpomean broke here that people are just purpo mean from broke here that people are just purpomean from a racist dont mean from a racist perspective, feel perspective, but if they feel that they see it as a very woke piece of art, why it woke piece of art, why is it woke anyway . Like, i dont know. What if anyway . Like, i dont know. What tthteet anyway . Like, i dont know. What ifblack actress 7 like, i dont know. What if black actress playing . If its a black actress playing . Shee if its a black actress playing . Shee e if its a black actress playing . Shes a mermaid, if its a black actress playing . Shes a mermaid, like, shes a mermaid, right . Like, he shes a mermaid, right . Like, tte e shes a mermaid, right . Like, tte e fixedl its not like you have a fixed ththg thewl its not like you have a fixedi thing know, this its not like you have a fixed. Thing know, this is thing of what you know, this is someone. And thing of what you know, this is someone. And if thing of what you know, this is someone. � 7 thing of what you know, this is someone. � 7 someone. And if somebody leaves a woman thats a woman with guilt thats negative about this woman with a woman with guilt thats negatthat bout this woman with a woman with guilt thats negatthat happened voman with a woman with guilt thats negatthat happened to nan with a woman with guilt thats negatthat happened to bet with gills, that happened to be black. Interpret that black. And you interpret that negative only being negative review as only being about you the about her race, arent you the racist part . Right. So, okay, you can look at racist part . Right. So, okay, you can look at it ietti. Itttitii7 mg so, okay, you can look at it both ietti. Ittitii7 33 so, okay, you can look at it both ways. I teet you can look at it both ways. I teet teet you can look at it both ways. I teet teht eee you can look at it both ways. I just dont care about her gettthg just dont care about her gettthg eeet just dont care about her getting cast in just dont care about her getting cast in that role. Maybe ehee getting cast in that role. Maybe ehee teetty getting cast in that role. Maybe shes really good. Getting cast in that role. Maybe shes really good. I know you tent. Shes really good. I know you dont, but but what you should be saying is you cant trust anybody. Obe. Thats what you anybody. Obe. Thats what you eey. Anybody. Obe. Thats what you eey. Tee anybody. Obe. Thats what you eey. Wee hete anybody. Obe. Thats what you say. You have an in i 05 thats what you say. You have an essential thing in say. You have an essential thing th yeeh say. You have an essential thing th yeet ttte. Say. You have an essential thing in your life. Essential problem. Vee in your life. Essential problem. Tee teet in your life. Essential problem. You dont trust in your life. Essential problem. You dont trust anyone. And how eeeweteh you dont trust anyone. And how can. Watch this you dont trust anyone. And how can watch this show . Can you watch this show . Ive teen can you watch this show . Ive teen lthte can you watch this show . Ive been. This you can you watch this show . Ive been. This you cant. Been on this show. You cant trust anything. You cant trust the leaders. You cant trust the science. You trust me, louis, believe or not, i do. And believe it or not, i do. And thats a thats your one flaw. And you will get your comeuppance sooner or later. Hettewe comeuppance sooner or later. Hettewe yee comeuppance sooner or later. Hettewe yee me comeuppance sooner or later. Believe you me. Okay, so next on hee believe you me. Okay, so next on hee speech believe you me. Okay, so next on free speech nation believe you me. Okay, so next on free speech nation , believe you me. Okay, so next on free speech nation , we call it. Free speech nation, we call it. Yest free speech nation, we call it. Tee. Thete free speech nation, we call it. Yes, thats right. Free speech nation, we call it. Yes, thats right. Now, look , yes, thats right. Now, look, ehee yes, thats right. Now, look, ehee the yes, thats right. Now, look, after the break, yes, thats right. Now, look, after the break, i am going to be after the break, i am going to te tettng after the break, i am going to te tettng e after the break, i am going to be taking a look after the break, i am going to be taking a look the be taking a look at how the ente be taking a look at how the the heg be taking a look at how the pride flag developed over pride flag has developed over the tenget. Pride flag has developed over the tenget. Tt pride flag has developed over the forget, it is. Pride flag has developed over the month forget, it is pride flag has developed over the month now. rget, it is pride flag has developed over the month now. Anyway. S pride flag has developed over the month now. Anyway. Dont pride month now. Anyway. Dont go pride month now. Anyway. Dont ge enywhene to gb news radio. Welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. Remember when the pride flag mete remember when the pride flag mete e remember when the pride flag made sense . It remember when the pride flag made sense . It was designed by made sense . It was designed by an made sense . It was designed by en ameneen made sense . It was designed by an american artist made sense . It was designed by an american artist called ettten an american artist called Gilbert Baker an american artist called Gilbert Baker in 1978. It was engtnetty Gilbert Baker in 1978. It was engtnetty en Gilbert Baker in 1978. It was originally an eight stripe netntew originally an eight stripe rainbow, but originally an eight stripe rainbow, but was soon refined tnte rainbow, but was soon refined tnte the rainbow, but was soon refined tnte the ete rainbow, but was soon refined into the six stripe rainbow, but was soon refined into the six stripe version that the into the six stripe version that was the norm for into the six stripe version that was the norm for many decades. At was the norm for many decades. Ht e was the norm for many decades. Ht e ttme was the norm for many decades. At a time when was the norm for many decades. At a time when gay was the norm for many decades. At a time when gay people eeettnt at a time when gay people couldnt hold at a time when gay people couldnt hold hands with their tennene couldnt hold hands with their tennene en couldnt hold hands with their partners on the couldnt hold hands with their partners on the street. This heg partners on the street. This tteg eewet partners on the street. This flag served purpose. Partners on the street. This flag servedpurpose. It flag served a useful purpose. It meent flag served a useful purpose. It meenteeett flag served a useful purpose. It meant could easily find meant that you could easily find gayor meant that you could easily find geyen ether meant that you could easily find gayor other places meant that you could easily find gay or other places where gay pubs or other places where no gay pubs or other places where nete gay pubs or other places where nete pretent gay pubs or other places where noto pretend to gay pubs or other places where no to pretend to be no one had to pretend to be eemethtng no one had to pretend to be something werent. The something they werent. The netntew something they werent. The rainbow symbol something they werent. The rainbow symbol a simple and rainbow symbol was a simple and eheettwe rainbow symbol was a simple and effective concept rainbow symbol was a simple and effective concept that conveyed teetttwtty effective concept that conveyed teetttwtty ent effective concept that conveyed positivity and unity. And then some activists positivity and unity. And then some activists came along and eete. Some activists came along and eett. Heng some activists came along and eett. Heng en some activists came along and eett. Heng en e some activists came along and said, hang on a minute, why are there said, hang on a minute, why are there he said, hang on a minute, why are there no black said, hang on a minute, why are there no black or said, hang on a minute, why are there no black or brown stripes in there no black or brown stripes tnnetntew there no black or brown stripes in rainbow flag there no black or brown stripes inrainbow flag . There no black or brown stripes in rainbow flag . So for some in the rainbow flag . So for some they in the rainbow flag . So for some reason they were in the rainbow flag . So for some reason they were under the tmtneeeten reason they were under the impression. The reason they were under the impression the flag reason they were under the impression. The. Flag was impression that the gay flag was a impression that the gay flag was eeteet impression that the gay flag was a represents portion of a literal represents portion of theeth a literal represents portion of theskin colours a literal represents portion of the skin colours that the range of skin colours that are the range of skin colours that eeh the range of skin colours that eeh the the range of skin colours that are in the community. Are acceptable in the community. Ant are acceptable in the community. Ant ee are acceptable in the community. Ant ee we are acceptable in the community. Ant ee we get are acceptable in the community. And so we got this are acceptable in the community. And so we got this. Are acceptable in the community. And so we got this. Okay then. And so we got this. Okay then. I there and so we got this. Okay then. I mean, there werent any white ehttee mean, there werent any white ehttee tn mean, there werent any white etntee tn the mean, there werent any white stripes in the original one ether. Stripes in the original one etthen. Tet stripes in the original one either, but most people understood either, but most people understood that was symbolic understood that it was symbolic thet understood that it was symbolic thet we understood that it was symbolic thet we wee understood that it was symbolic that we were all understood that it was symbolic that we were all included eheety that we were all included eheety. That we were all included already , irrespective of our already, irrespective of our het already, irrespective of our race. But then already, irrespective of our race. But then after this, trans eettwtete race. But then after this, trans activists came race. But then after this, trans activists came along and said, why activists came along and said, whytn activists came along and said, whytn theret activists came along and said, whyin there . So. Activists came along and said, why in there . So we why arent we in there . So we got why arent we in there . So we get wee why arent we in there . So we get wee thei got this one, and this was the chewen got this one, and this was the chevron with got this one, and this was the chevron with the got this one, and this was the chevron with the pink, white and ttee teeet chevron with the pink, white and blue, based. The. Blue, which was based on the tene blue, which was based on the hemhet blue, which was based on the transbut surely blue, which was based on the trans but surely this trans flag. But surely this eyeee trans flag. But surely this eyesore couldnt get any worse, eeete eyesore couldnt get any worse, eeett tte eyesore couldnt get any worse, could it . Well, eyesore couldnt get any worse, could it . Well, it eyesore couldnt get any worse, could it . Well, it could because eettwtete could it . Well, it could because activists were could it . Well, it could because activists were then could it . Well, it could because activists were then concerned thet activists were then concerned thet tt activists were then concerned thet tt wee activists were then concerned that it was excluding intersex eeewe that it was excluding intersex teette. Ee that it was excluding intersex teette. Ee they that it was excluding intersex people, so they added this eymtet people, so they added this eymtet. Etew people, so they added this symbol. Okay, its getting a bit out symbol. Okay, its getting a bit eet et symbol. Okay, its getting a bit out of control symbol. Okay, its getting a bit out of control now, symbol. Okay, its getting a bit out of control now, but then teet out of control now, but then teet yeee. Out of control now, but then last year, some out of control now, but then last year, some bright spark ettet last year, some bright spark ettet e last year, some bright spark ettet e net last year, some bright spark added a red umbrella to tetneeent added a red umbrella to represent sex added a red umbrella to represent sex workers. Now if represent sex workers. Now if yee represent sex workers. Now if yee theeght represent sex workers. Now if you thought this represent sex workers. Now if you thought this was getting out of you thought this was getting out et hent you thought this was getting out et hent teet you thought this was getting out of hand last year, you thought this was getting out of hand last year, then we had ttteneeett of hand last year, then we had ttteneeett. Of hand last year, then we had microsoft. They of hand last year, then we had microsoft. They designed a new microsoft. They designed a new te microsoft. They designed a new version to incorporate all the ether version to incorporate all the other multiple version to incorporate all the other multiple sexualities and genteee other multiple sexualities and genteee thet other multiple sexualities and genders that have been invented eventeet genders that have been invented eventeet tew genders that have been invented over past few years. Lets over the past few years. Lets hewe over the past few years. Lets hewe thet over the past few years. Lets hewethet. Over the past few years. Lets hewethet. T over the past few years. Lets have that. I mean, have a look at that. I mean, whet have a look at that. I mean, whette have a look at that. I mean, whette tt have a look at that. I mean, whette tt e have a look at that. I mean, whatis it 7 it have a look at that. I mean, what is it . It looks what the hell is it . It looks ttte what the hell is it . It looks ttte e what the hell is it . It looks like a spaceship what the hell is it . It looks like a spaceship going at warp eteet like a spaceship going at warp eteet theegh like a spaceship going at warp speed through a like a spaceship going at warp speed through a carebears hemhete speed through a carebears bumhole identity politics in its eenent bumhole identity politics in its eenent teem bumhole identity politics in its current form is bumhole identity politics in its current form is an bumhole identity politics in its current form is an ever extenttng current form is an ever expanding beast. Pride used to be expanding beast. Pride used to te teet expanding beast. Pride used to te teet ene expanding beast. Pride used to te teet eey expanding beast. Pride used to be just one day, then it was a menth be just one day, then it was a menth. Be just one day, then it was a menth. Ant be just one day, then it was a month. And now be just one day, then it was a month. And now pride events have month. And now pride events have teen month. And now pride events have been scheduled month. And now pride events have been scheduled all month. And now pride events have been scheduled all the way from hench been scheduled all the way from ttenh theegh been scheduled all the way from march through to been scheduled all the way from march through to september as etgn march through to september as etgn tn march through to september as etgn tn e march through to september as one sign in a shoe march through to september as one sign in a shoe shop pointed out one sign in a shoe shop pointed eet thet one sign in a shoe shop pointed eet thet ente one sign in a shoe shop pointed out that pride never stops. If out that pride never stops. If enty out that pride never stops. If enty tt out that pride never stops. If enty tt weett out that pride never stops. If only it would the initialism as wett only it would the initialism as wet. Thete only it would the initialism as well. Thats expanded too. First well. Thats expanded too. First we het well. Thats expanded too. First we ted the well. Thats expanded too. First we had lgb and well. Thats expanded too. First we had lgb and then it became tett. We had lgb and then it became tett. Then we had lgb and then it became lgbt, then lgbtq, we had lgb and then it became lgbt, then lgbtq, then lgbtqia. The lgbt, then lgbtq, then lgbtqia. The cenetten lgbt, then lgbtq, then lgbtqia. The canadian government eenentty the canadian government currently favours to lgbtqia etee currently favours to lgbtqia etee. Currently favours to lgbtqia plus , although currently favours to lgbtqia plus , although even its prime plus, although even its prime tttnteten plus, although even its Prime Minister finds plus, although even its Prime Minister finds that a bit of a meethtet. Minister finds that a bit of a meethtet. T minister finds that a bit of a mouthful. I will minister finds that a bit of a mouthful. I will never apologise for mouthful. I will never apologise ten etenttng mouthful. I will never apologise tet etenttng et mouthful. I will never apologise for standing up for mouthful. I will never apologise for standing up for an lgbt tett. For standing up for an lgbt tett. Thet for standing up for an lgbt tett. Thet. For standing up for an lgbt lgbt, lbgt , lgbtq two plus kids lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids nghte lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids nghte te lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids nghte te net lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids rights to not have lgbt, lbgt, lgbtq two plus kids rights to not have to undergo conversion therapy. 33in conversion therapy. Similarly, ente conversion therapy. Similarly, pride started out as an important protest against injustice when the original pride march took place in london in 1972. Homosexuality had only teen in 1972. Homosexuality had only teen teget in 1972. Homosexuality had only teen teget ten in 1972. Homosexuality had only been legal for five i l� homosexuality had only been legal for five years, and the been legal for five years, and the tteeteet been legal for five years, and the prospect of been legal for five years, and the prospect of gay marriage or en egeet the prospect of gay marriage or even an equal age the prospect of gay marriage or even an equal age of consent eeeet even an equal age of consent seemed impossible. Only 2000 teette seemed impossible. Only 2000 teette temet seemed impossible. Only 2000 teette temet up seemed impossible. Only 2000 people turned up to these tneteet people turned up to these teeteet e. People turned up to these protest s. But people turned up to these protest s. But by contrast, the ente protest s. But by contrast, the the tente protest s. But by contrast, the the tetete tn protest s. But by contrast, the pride parade in london in 2022 etheetet pride parade in london in 2022 attracted over pride parade in london in 2022 attracted over a pride parade in london in 2022 attracted over a million. And of course, most of attracted over a million. And of course, most of those people eent course, most of those people eent gey course, most of those people arent even gay. Its become a tenth arent even gay. Its become a temtty eey arent even gay. Its become a temtty tey eet. Arent even gay. Its become a family day out, a arent even gay. Its become a family day out, a huge party. Ant family day out, a huge party. Ant whete family day out, a huge party. And whats so family day out, a huge party. And whats so wrong with that, you and whats so wrong with that, yee mtght and whats so wrong with that, yee mtght eet and whats so wrong with that, yee mtght eet e and whats so wrong with that, you might ask . And thats a fair you might ask . And thats a fair geeetten you might ask . And thats a fair geeetten. Tt you might ask . And thats a fair question. If people are celebrating question. If people are celebrating and having good celebrating and having a good ttme celebrating and having a good ttme. Thete celebrating and having a good time, thats except time, thats great, except thete time, thats great, except thats necessary. Whats thats not necessary. Whats going thats not necessary. Whats going increasingly gay going on . Increasingly gay teette going on . Increasingly gay teette ne going on . Increasingly gay people no longer feel welcome at thee. People no longer feel welcome at thtte. T people no longer feel welcome at thtte. T etete people no longer feel welcome at pride. I spoke to pride. I spoke to a representative from a Lesbian Group representative from a lesbian greet en representative from a lesbian greet en thte representative from a Lesbian Group on this show last year who had group on this show last year who het teen group on this show last year who had been moved group on this show last year who had been moved along by police when had been moved along by police when trytng had been moved along by police when trytng te had been moved along by police when trying to protest at pride. Het when trying to protest at pride. Tet tent when trying to protest at pride. But isnt pride when trying to protest at pride. But isnt pride meant to be a treteet. But isnt pride meant to be a preteet net. But isnt pride meant to be a preteet net e. But isnt pride meant to be a protest not a party . Whats going protest not a party . Whats getng ene protest not a party . Whats getng ene the protest not a party . Whats going on . The answer is that pride going on . The answer is that trtte hee going on . The answer is that pride has been going on . The answer is that pride has been not once, but twtee pride has been not once, but twtee. Pride has been not once, but twtee. Thet pride has been not once, but twice. First by pride has been not once, but twice. First by avaricious twice. First by avaricious multi billion twice. First by avaricious multi billion dollar corporations who are able to pee corporations who are able to teee ee corporations who are able to pose as virtuous corporations who are able to pose as virtuous by posting the pride pose as virtuous by posting the trtte tteg pose as virtuous by posting the trtte tteg enty pose as virtuous by posting the pride flag only they dont do it in pride flag only they dont do it tn the pride flag only they dont do it in the branches pride flag only they dont do it in the branches in pride flag only they dont do it in the branches in countries where in the branches in countries where homosexuality is still ttteget. Where homosexuality is still illegal. After where homosexuality is still illegal. After all, you wouldnt went illegal. After all, you wouldnt went te illegal. After all, you wouldnt went te hy illegal. After all, you wouldnt want to fly the illegal. After all, you wouldnt want to fly the flag anywhere whteh want to fly the flag anywhere whteh mtght want to fly the flag anywhere which might actually make a ttherenee which might actually make a ttherenee. Which might actually make a difference. Im which might actually make a difference. Im old enough to difference. Im old enough to remember that difference. Im old enough to remember that corporations were eertetnty remember that corporations were certainly celebrating pride certainly not celebrating pride gette certainly not celebrating pride getteletenty certainly not celebrating pride quite openly before section quite so openly before section 28 quite so openly before section zereteetet quite so openly before section 28repealed in quite so openly before section 28 repealed in 2003 or 28 was repealed in 2003 or tetere 28 was repealed in 2003 or tetereege 28 was repealed in 2003 or beforeage of 28 was repealed in 2003 or before age of consent was before the age of consent was egeetteet before the age of consent was egeetteet tn before the age of consent was equalised inand before the age of consent was. Equalised inandthe equalised in 2001 and before the decriminalisation equalised in 2001 and before the decriminalisation of homosexuality in scotland in thee. Homosexuality in scotland in thee. Se homosexuality in scotland in 1980. So these homosexuality in scotland in 1980. So these corporations commitment 1980. So these corporations commitment to 1980. So these corporations commitment to lgbt rights etherentty commitment to lgbt rights apparently only manifests itself when apparently only manifests itself when tte apparently only manifests itself when its likely apparently only manifests itself when its likely to make them a treht when its likely to make them a treht ent when its likely to make them a profit and then when its likely to make them a profit and then theres the eet profit and then theres the second hijacking. C where is the engtnett second hijacking. C where is the original . Pride second hijacking. C where is the original . Pride was about egttettng original . Pride was about egttettng ter original . Pride was about agitating for equal rights for gay pe0ple agitating for equal rights for gay pe0ple its agitating for equal rights for gay people. Its now been taken ty gay people. Its now been taken over by activists gay people. Its now been taken over by activists who are eteeeeet over by activists who are obsessed Group Identity and obsessed with Group Identity and who obsessed with Group Identity and whe tettewe obsessed with Group Identity and who believe that obsessed with Group Identity and who believe that gender is more tmtertent who believe that gender is more tmtenent then who believe that gender is more important than sex. And thats why important than sex. And thats why the important than sex. And thats why the british important than sex. And thats why the British Library to eetetrete why the British Library to celebrate the why the British Library to celebrate the of pride celebrate the advent of pride menth celebrate the advent of pride ttenth thte celebrate the advent of pride month this week celebrate the advent of pride month this week thread month this week posted a thread on month this week posted a thread en twttter month this week posted a thread on twitter about month this week posted a thread on twitter about the sex life of hen on twitter about the sex life of tteh ent on twitter about the sex life of tteh ent new on twitter about the sex life of fish and how some species have teen fish and how some species have teen tnewn fish and how some species have teen tnewn te fish and how some species have been known to change from male to been known to change from male te temete. Been known to change from male te temete. T been known to change from male to female. I mean, been known to change from male to female. I mean, whats that got to female. I mean, whats that get te to female. I mean, whats that get te te to female. I mean, whats that get te te wtth to female. I mean, whats that got to do with pride . Why have tttrertene got to do with pride . Why have librarians seemingly forgotten thet librarians seemingly forgotten thet hemen librarians seemingly forgotten that human beings arent the same as fish . That human beings arent the same as fish . Now . Theyve since tetetet same as fish . Now . Theyve since tetetet theee same as fish . Now . Theyve since deleted those tweets because, wett deleted those tweets because, wett. Yee deleted those tweets because, well, you theyre deleted those tweets because, well, you theyre bonkers well, you know, theyre bonkers. Ant well, you know, theyre bonkers. And although well, you know, theyre bonkers. And although laugh at. And although we might laugh at thatnonsense,. And although we might laugh at thatnonsense, the that kind of nonsense, the tteetegy that kind of nonsense, the ideology promotes actually ideology it promotes is actually rether ideology it promotes is actually rather particularly rather sinister, particularly for rather sinister, particularly hergeeette rather sinister, particularly herteette. Rather sinister, particularly for people. You see in her for gay people. You see in her teet for gay people. You see in her teetthtnt for gay people. You see in her bookthink by for gay people. You see in her book think by hannah book time to think by hannah hernee book time to think by hannah barnes,found book time to think by hannah barnes, found that between barnes, she found that between 80 barnes, she found that between ee ent barnes, she found that between to ent eete barnes, she found that between to ent etete et barnes, she found that between 80 and 90 of adolescents reterret 80 and 90 of adolescents reterret te 80 and 90 of adolescents referred to the 80 and 90 of adolescents referred to the tavistock paediatric referred to the tavistock paediatric gender clinic with same sex attracted studies have teng same sex attracted studies have long confirmed same sex attracted studies have long confirmed a same sex attracted studies have long confirmed a correlation tetween long confirmed a correlation between gender long confirmed a correlation between gender nonconformity and yeeth between gender nonconformity and yeeth ent between gender nonconformity and youth and homosexuality in later life youth and homosexuality in later ttte et youth and homosexuality in later ttte et the youth and homosexuality in later life at the tavistock, staff eeet life at the tavistock, staff eeet te life at the tavistock, staff used to joke life at the tavistock, staff used to joke that soon there weett used to joke that soon there weett te used to joke that soon there weett he he used to joke that soon there would be no gay used to joke that soon there would be no gay people left. Semehew would be no gay people left. Somehow the would be no gay people left. Somehow the medicalisation and eterttteetten somehow the medicalisation and sterilisation of somehow the medicalisation and sterilisation of gay somehow the medicalisation and sterilisation of gay people has teen sterilisation of gay people has been reframed sterilisation of gay people has been reframed as sterilisation of gay people has been reframed as progressive. Twen been reframed as progressive. Even stonewall, been reframed as progressive. Even stonewall, the uks teremeet even stonewall, the uks foremost lgbt even stonewall, the uks foremost lgbt charity, has retehnet foremost lgbt charity, has redefined the foremost lgbt charity, has redefined the word homosexual on its redefined the word homosexual on tte wetette redefined the word homosexual on its website and redefined the word homosexual on its website and promotional metertete its website and Promotional Materials to its website and Promotional Materials to mean same gender ettreetet materials to mean same gender ettreetet tte materials to mean same gender attracted its ceo, materials to mean same gender attracted its ceo, nancy kelly hee attracted its ceo, nancy kelly hee etetmet attracted its ceo, nancy kelly has claimed that attracted its ceo, nancy kelly has claimed that women who exetete has claimed that women who exclude trans has claimed that women who exclude trans people from their tettng exclude trans people from their tettng teet exclude trans people from their tettng teet ee exclude trans people from their dating pool are akin to sexual reetete dating pool are akin to sexual reetete. Dating pool are akin to sexual racists. Theres dating pool are akin to sexual racists. Theres been an intense racists. Theres been an intense reeerengee et racists. Theres been an intense resurgence of old racists. Theres been an intense resurgence of old homophobic tretee resurgence of old homophobic tretee enttne resurgence of old homophobic tropes online from gender tteetegeee tropes online from gender ideologues that believe that genttet ideologues that believe that genital preferences are transphobic genital preferences are transphobic and that lesbians whe transphobic and that lesbians whe tent transphobic and that lesbians who dont include men in their tettng who dont include men in their tettng teet who dont include men in their dating pool must who dont include men in their dating pool must be suffering hem dating pool must be suffering hem heee dating pool must be suffering from trauma. Dating pool must be suffering from trauma. Gay rights were from trauma. Gay rights were eeet from trauma. Gay rights were eeet ty from trauma. Gay rights were secured by recognising that a mtnertty secured by recognising that a mtnertty et secured by recognising that a minority of people are instinctively minority of people are instinctively attracted to emtere instinctively attracted to members of instinctively attracted to members of their own sex and the tteetegy members of their own sex and the tteetegy et members of their own sex and the new ideology of gender identity regeete new ideology of gender identity reteete thte new ideology of gender identity rejects this notion new ideology of gender identity rejects this notion entirely and eettwety rejects this notion entirely and actively shames rejects this notion entirely and actively shames gay people for her actively shames gay people for their orientation actively shames gay people for their orientation. Actively shames gay people for their orientation. So when you their orientation. So when you thte their orientation. So when you thte tteg their orientation. So when you thte tteg. Their orientation. So when you see this flag , try their orientation. So when you see this flag , try to understand see this flag, try to understand thet see this flag, try to understand thet meny see this flag, try to understand thet meny gey see this flag, try to understand that many gay people consider it to that many gay people consider it te te that many gay people consider it te te e that many gay people consider it te te e eymtet that many gay people consider it to be a symbol of that many gay people consider it to be a symbol of opposition to gay to be a symbol of opposition to gey nghte. To be a symbol of opposition to gay rights, women to be a symbol of opposition to gay rights, women who are concerned about their rights, eenetter concerned about their rights, eenetter tt concerned about their rights, consider it a concerned about their rights, consider it a symbol of misogyny teeeeee consider it a symbol of misogyny teeeeee tt consider it a symbol of misogyny because it promotes an ideology thet because it promotes an ideology thet tentee because it promotes an ideology that denies the because it promotes an ideology that denies the reality of sex teeet that denies the reality of sex based oppression. And yet most based oppression. And yet most eeewe based oppression. And yet most people, gay based oppression. And yet most people, gay people, including , people, gay people, including, hewent people, gay people, including, hewent een people, gay people, including, havent even noticed this trenettten havent even noticed this transition from havent even noticed this transition from the pro gay retntew transition from the pro gay rainbow flag transition from the pro gay rainbow flag to transition from the pro gay rainbow flag to this anti gay tmteeter rainbow flag to this anti gay tmteeter. Rainbow flag to this anti gay imposter. And rainbow flag to this anti gay imposter. And thats because it imposter. And thats because it all imposter. And thats because it ett heteenet imposter. And thats because it all happened so imposter. And thats because it all happened so quickly. And eettwtete all happened so quickly. And activists are all happened so quickly. And activists are playing on good tntenttene activists are playing on good intentions of activists are playing on good intentions of a activists are playing on good intentions of a public who dont went intentions of a public who dont went te intentions of a public who dont went te te intentions of a public who dont want to be seen intentions of a public who dont want to be seen to intentions of a public who dont want to be seen to be the want to be seen to be on the wreng want to be seen to be on the wreng etee want to be seen to be on the wrong side history. Want to be seen to be on the wrong side history. Well, i wrong side of history. Well, i weett wrong side of history. Well, ii would upholding wrong side of history. Well, i would upholding the would suggest that upholding the nghte would suggest that upholding the rtghte et would suggest that upholding the rtghte etent would suggest that upholding the rtghte etent gey would suggest that upholding the rights of and gay people rights of women and gay people and rights of women and gay people entgenter and protecting gender non conforming children and eeteetng non conforming children and opposing hypocrisy of opposing the hypocrisy of corporations opposing the hypocrisy of corporations is opposing the hypocrisy of corporations is the truly tregreeetwe corporations is the truly progressive approach. Anyone who etente progressive approach. Anyone who etente eny progressive approach. Anyone who etente eny ttme progressive approach. Anyone who spends any time on progressive approach. Anyone who spends any time on social media wtt spends any time on social media wttt newe spends any time on social media will have seen spends any time on social media will have seen that spends any time on social media will have seen that homophobia is will have seen that homophobia te eteerty will have seen that homophobia te eteertylthe will have seen that homophobia is clearlythe rise. Will have seen that homophobia is clearly the rise. Its is clearly on the rise. Its eemtng is clearly on the rise. Its coming from is clearly on the rise. Its coming from the reactionary etemente coming from the reactionary etemente et coming from the reactionary elements of the coming from the reactionary elements of the who are elements of the right who are nowgav elements of the right who are newgey teette now holding gay people responsible now holding gay people responsible drag responsible for sexualised drag ehewe responsible for sexualised drag ehewe ter responsible for sexualised drag shows for children and the proliferation shows for children and the proliferation of shows for children and the proliferation of sexually extttett proliferation of sexually explicit books in school libraries. Explicit books in school libraries. But explicit books in school libraries. But course theyve libraries. But of course theyve tetten libraries. But of course theyve tetten ter libraries. But of course theyve fallen for the libraries. But of course theyve fallen for thethis libraries. But of course theyve fallen for the this isnt fallen for the trick. This isnt gav fallen for the trick. This isnt gay pimple, fallen for the trick. This isnt gay people, thats gender tteetegeee gay people, thats gender ideologues who have convinced eweenery ideologues who have convinced eweenery thet ideologues who have convinced everyone that the ideologues who have convinced everyone that the lgbtqia movement is everyone that the lgbtqia movement is one Big Happy Family when movement is one Big Happy Family when tt movement is one Big Happy Family when tt tent. Movement is one Big Happy Family when it isnt. And movement is one Big Happy Family when it isnt. And we know this teeeeee when it isnt. And we know this because homophobia is also on the ne because homophobia is also on the emeng because homophobia is also on the rise among gender ideologues themeetwee the rise among gender ideologues themselves who the rise among gender ideologues themselves who frequently go enttne themselves who frequently go enttne te themselves who frequently go online to tell themselves who frequently go online to tell gay people to ttt online to tell gay people to kill themselves. Online to tell gay people to kill themselves. Some of them newe kill themselves. Some of them hewe eete kill themselves. Some of them have said that kill themselves. Some of them have said that they celebrate arts have said that they celebrate arts ee have said that they celebrate arts ee e have said that they celebrate aids as a good have said that they celebrate aids as a good thing. And this tent aids as a good thing. And this tent teet aids as a good thing. And this tent teet e aids as a good thing. And this isnt just a few aids as a good thing. And this isnt just a few mad activists. There isnt just a few mad activists. There ee isnt just a few mad activists. There are thousands of examples of there are thousands of examples et thte. There are thousands of examples et thte. Tt there are thousands of examples of this. If youve there are thousands of examples of this. If youve got the etemeeh of this. If youve got the stomach to of this. If youve got the stomach to look them up. So whether stomach to look them up. So whether tte stomach to look them up. So whether its coming from those whe whether its coming from those whe eenetter whether its coming from those who consider themselves right wtng who consider themselves right ehg entt who consider themselves right wtng entt geyl wing or left wing, anti gay sentiments wing or left wing, anti gay sentiments are wing or left wing, anti gay sentiments are back in fashion. Ant sentiments are back in fashion. Ant the sentiments are back in fashion. Ant the teet sentiments are back in fashion. And the best way sentiments are back in fashion. And the best way to combat this is and the best way to combat this te te and the best way to combat this te te remtnt and the best way to combat this is to remind everyone that that tregreee. Is to remind everyone that that tregreee. Tnte is to remind everyone that that progress, this pride and progress, this pride flag and the corporate progress, this pride flag and the corporate orgy that accompanies the corporate orgy that accompanies it is not in the tntereete accompanies it is not in the interests of accompanies it is not in the interests of gay accompanies it is not in the interests of gay people. And if interests of gay people. And if its interests of gay people. And if he tee interests of gay people. And if he tee tete interests of gay people. And if its too late to interests of gay people. And if its too late to reclaim the engtnet its too late to reclaim the original pride its too late to reclaim the original pride flag, we can at teeet original pride flag, we can at teeet ttteh original pride flag, we can at teeet ttteh. Original pride flag, we can at least ditch. The original pride flag, we can at least ditch. The new one. Okay least ditch. The new one. Okay tete least ditch. The new one. Okay tete eee least ditch. The new one. Okay lets see what least ditch. The new one. Okay lets see what my least ditch. The new one. Okay lets see what my panel make of all lets see what my panel make of ett et lets see what my panel make of ett et thte. Lets see what my panel make of all of this. Did lets see what my panel make of all of this. Did you lets see what my panel make of all of this. Did you have any theeghte all of this. Did you have any thoughts about all of this. Did you have any thoughts about pride as it as it emete thoughts about pride as it as it extete new thoughts about pride as it as it exists now compared to what it eeet exists now compared to what it eeet te exists now compared to what it eeet te tee exists now compared to what it used to be . Its exists now compared to what it used to be . Its sad, isnt it, when used to be . Its sad, isnt it, when tt used to be . Its sad, isnt it, when tt t used to be . Its sad, isnt it, when it i mean, used to be . Its sad, isnt it, when it i mean, know it sounds when it i mean, i know it sounds tte when it i mean, i know it sounds tte e when it i mean, i know it sounds nice. Its a family when it i mean, i know it sounds nice. Its a familyout. When it i mean, i know it sounds nice. C nice. Its a family day out. But when see saint kyrees, for when you see saint kyrees, for example, companies example, other companies are available with flags available with with pride flags , are you , you think, what are you saying . Think that gay saying . Did you think that gay people teabags people couldnt buy teabags before you put the flag up . I mean, yeah, those mean, yeah, its like those zebra that theyve zebra crossings that theyve repainted zebra crossings that theyve repaincrossroads before that, could crossroads before that, you could crossroads before that, yeeegtt could crossroads before that, youright. Right. Could crossroads before that, youright. Right. I. Could crossroads before that, youright. Right. I was you know . Right. Right. I was able it really makes able to do it. It really makes me sad because i would like me feel sad because i would like to live in a society to think we live in a society where where lots of this has been achieved. Its kind of not been achieved. Its kind of not my place to say. Right. But why not . Because if there were homophobia swirling around me, i might not know about it. But there isnt. I dont think there is. There isnt. I dont think there te. Teete. There isnt. I dont think there te. Teete. Apert there isnt. I dont think there is. Louis. Apart from ctiiti c i dont think there is. Louis. Apart from louis, meyte is. Louis. Apart from louis, meyte. Yee is. Louis. Apart from louis, maybe, you know. But do you thtnt maybe, you know. But do you think theres maybe, you know. But do you think theres homophobia ewtrttng think theres homophobia. Swirling just think theres homophobia swirling just you. Swirling around . Yeah. Just you. Teen. Swirling around . Yeah. Just you. Veeh. Exeetty swirling around . Yeah. Just you. Yeah, exactly. But swirling around . Yeah. Just you. Yeah, exactly. But louis, is there yeah, exactly. But louis, is there net yeah, exactly. But louis, is there net e yeah, exactly. But louis, is there not a point to be made thet. There not a point to be made thet. Yee there not a point to be made that, you know, there not a point to be made that, you know, these things ettret that, you know, these things ettret eet that, you know, these things ettret eet et that, you know, these things spiral out of control . You start off spiral out of control . You start eh wtth spiral out of control . You start eh wtth e spiral out of control . You start off with a legitimate movement thet off with a legitimate movement thet hee off with a legitimate movement that has legitimate aims. It reehee that has legitimate aims. It. Reaches then that has legitimate aims. It reaches then all reaches those aims and then all of reaches those aims and then all et e reaches those aims and then all et e eetten reaches those aims and then all of a sudden it reaches those aims and then all of a sudden it goes reaches those aims and then all of a sudden it goes mad. Of a sudden it goes a bit mad. It of a sudden it goes a bit mad. Tt geee of a sudden it goes a bit mad. Tt geeelttt of a sudden it goes a bit mad. It goes bit bonkers, maybe it goes a bit bonkers, maybe teeeeee it goes a bit bonkers, maybe becausenothing it goes a bit bonkers, maybe because nothing left to because its got nothing left to do, because its got nothing left to te. Tttght. Because its got nothing left to do, right. Then because its got nothing left to do, right. Then it because its got nothing left to do, right. ti c g because its got nothing left to do, right. C g c do, right. And then it gets it gets discarded when people just they just see the ridiculousness of and they of the entire thing and they throw the thing out. The throw the whole thing out. The problem saying is, problem what youre saying is, is business, this is that the whole business, this whole business is im a bit saddened because i think youd make a great dad and for Goodness Sake , i dont want Goodness Sake, i dont want children. Louis well, i dont care whether children. Louis well, i dont care whether you i ti iti louis well, i dont care whether you want them or net. Care whether you want them or net. T care whether you want them or net. T thtnt care whether you want them or hot. I think this care whether you want them or not. I think this world care whether you want them or not. I think this world needs more. More people like you. And more. More people like you. And this is what this is what im sorry, louis. I didnt expect it. Sorry, louis. I didnt expect t. T sorry, louis. I didnt expect t. T eent sorry, louis. I didnt expect it. I cant see sorry, louis. I didnt expect it. I cant see where i didnt expect it. I cant see where this is getng. It. I cant see where this is getng. Rm it. I cant see where this is going im trying it. I cant see where this is going. g it. I cant see where this is going. id git going. Im trying not to go in the direction that im taking it in, okay . But its almost quite homoerotic , what youre doing, homoerotic, what youre doing, right . No. Are you enjoying it . Right . No. Are you enjoying it . Is that. Is it. Is that. I think is that. Is it. Is that. I think the sexual more movement . Yes. Is i think people need to be treated with respect and love, but i dont think its good for the planet. But good. Okay on that note. Wait, wait, wait. Can that note. Wait, wait, wait. Can we have let me just. No, look. No, youve made your bed. Im going no, youve made your bed. Im getng te no, youve made your bed. Im getng te tet no, youve made your bed. Im getng te tet yee no, youve made your bed. Im going to let you lie in it teeeeee going to let you lie in it because what going to let you lie in it because what im saying, i know whet because what im saying, i know wheteeythg because what im saying, i know wheteeytng. T because what im saying, i know what saying. I know. What youre saying. I know. Let me what youre saying. I know. Let me tnew what youre saying. I know. Let me tnew. Whet what youre saying. I know. Let me know. What saying is, uh. Me know. What im saying is, uh. Is that. Is that dont want is that. Is that they dont want us to have children. Who doesnt . This doesnt . The elites of this world. They want to, as ive said on this program, said before, on this program, they want a ride from their they want a free ride from their from big house to the from their big house to the airport to get on one of their jets. Can i suggest that youre going jets. Can i suggest that youre gehgteete jets. Can i suggest that youre getngitetteee can i suggest that youre going topic so slightly going off topic ever so slightly heret going off topic ever so slightly heree tent here . Yeah but look, dont werry teetel worry. No, listen, louis, we wtt worry. No, listen, louis, we wit theee worry. No, listen, louis, we will those conspiracy will talk about those conspiracy theertee will talk about those conspiracy thewertt will talk about those conspiracy thelworld, but will talk about those conspiracy thelworld, but maybe not now, the world, but maybe not now, teeeeee the world, but maybe not now, teeeeee tte the world, but maybe not now, because its not the world, but maybe not now, because its not what were to here because its not what were to hereetew. Because its not what were to here about. Anyway. Look, here talk about. Anyway. Look, weve a break weve got to go to a break enywey. Weve got to go to a break enywey. Etttt weve got to go to a break anyway. Still come anyway. But still to come on, hee anyway. But still to come on, heewetten anyway. But still to come on, free nation journalist free speech nation journalist wtet nick Wallace Wallace has done meen nick Wallace Wallace has done meehlexteee nick Wallace Wallace has done much. Expose the nick Wallace Wallace has done much expose the ongoing post much to expose the ongoing post ethee much to expose the ongoing post ehtee tt much to expose the ongoing post office it scandal much to expose the ongoing post office it scandal. Much to expose the ongoing post office it scandal. Hes going to be office it scandal. Hes going to te tetntng office it scandal. Hes going to te tetntng me office it scandal. Hes going to be joining me in office it scandal. Hes going to be joining me in the studio to theme be joining me in the studio to discuss more. Discuss that and some more tntereettng discuss that and some more interesting revelations. See you interesting revelations. 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Welcome back from 9 to 11 on gb news news. Welcome back to from 9 to 11 on gb news news. Welcome back to free speech netten welcome back to free speech netten. Welcome back to free speech nation. Once welcome back to free speech nation. Once a welcome back to free speech nation. Oti. Ti ii c nation. Once a respected British Institution , the post office institution, the post office continues to lurch from scandal to scandal. It remains enmeshed in the horizon scandal in which hundreds of subpar postmasters were wrongly prosecuted and had their lives destroyed because of information provided by a faulty it system. Its been described as one of the biggest miscarriages in justice in british history, and its now been revealed that between 2008 and 2001, some of the so called suspects were placed in various groupings which were defined by racist terms. Journalist nick wallace wrote the great post Office Scandal, which is the definitive account of this story, and he joins me now. Nick, thanks very much for joining me. Nick, could you tell joining me. Nick, could you tell me before we begin about this latest revelation, could you tell us about the Great Post Office what exactly Office Scandal . What exactly happened there . Well, at the happened there . Well, at the turn of the century, the post office rolled out a massive system called horizon, which was described at the time as the largest non military it system in europe. And fortunately, it thtnt in europe. And fortunately, it tttnt wert in europe. And fortunately, it tttnt wert. In europe. And fortunately, it didnt work. But c. And fortunately, it didnt work. But what it did do didnt work. But what it did do tete didnt work. But what it did do was take responses motty for trench was take responses motty for branch accounting. That is what branch accounting. That is what hermene branch accounting. That is what nettene tn branch accounting. That is what heteene tn eeen branch accounting. That is what happens in each individual post ethee happens in each individual post Office Branch happens in each individual post Office Branch out happens in each individual post Office Branch out of the hands Office Branch out of the hands et the Office Branch out of the hands of the subpostmasters who ran thet of the subpostmasters who ran thet treneh of the subpostmasters who ran that branch and of the subpostmasters who ran that branch and took it into the eentret that branch and took it into the eentret et that branch and took it into the control of the that branch and took it into the control of the post that branch and took it into the control of the post office. Unfortunately control of the post office. Unfortunately due to the terms of unfortunately due to the terms et thetr unfortunately due to the terms of their contract unfortunately due to the terms of their contract , unfortunately due to the terms of their contract , the of their contract, the postmasters of their contract, the postmasters were legally responsible postmasters were legally responsible for the figures that this responsible for the figures that thte eyetem responsible for the figures that this system threw up and when they this system threw up and when they wee this system threw up and when they were faulty, this system threw up and when they were faulty, then the post ethee. They were faulty, then the post office. Unfortunately decided it gehg office. Unfortunately decided it getng te office. Unfortunately decided it was going to prosecute these geeette was going to prosecute these teette. Was going to prosecute these teette. Ant was going to prosecute these people. And many , many hundreds people. And many, many hundreds of people. And many, many hundreds er geeette people. And many, many hundreds er teette get people. And many, many hundreds of pepple got given people. And many, many hundreds of people got given criminal eenwtettene of people got given criminal convictions for of people got given criminal convictions for fraud related eheneee convictions for fraud related eheneee te convictions for fraud related offences to do convictions for fraud related offences to do with the misappropriate of public money, when misappropriate of public money, when tn misappropriate of public money, when tn teet misappropriate of public money, when in fact it misappropriate of public money, when in fact it was the computer eyetem when in fact it was the computer eyetem thet when in fact it was the Computer System that was when in fact it was the Computer System that was throwing up dodgy system that was throwing up tetgy hgeree. System that was throwing up dodgy figures. And why did this tete dodgy figures. And why did this tete ee dodgy figures. And why did this tete ee teng dodgy figures. And why did this take so long to dodgy figures. And why did this take so long to resolve itself if take so long to resolve itself tr e take so long to resolve itself tr e teee take so long to resolve itself if . Because the take so long to resolve itself if . Because the post office if . Because the post office eeweet if . Because the post office eeweet tt if . Because the post office covered it up if . Because the post office covered it up in if . Because the post office covered it up in 2013, there was enegetweeet covered it up in 2013, there was unequivocal evidence that there pretteme unequivocal evidence that there were problems with the horizon eyetem. Were problems with the horizon system. Independent investigators had gone into it, but investigators had gone into it, tet the investigators had gone into it, tet the teet investigators had gone into it, but the post office refused to eetnewtetge but the post office refused to acknowledge this or admit it for enether acknowledge this or admit it for enether ete acknowledge this or admit it for another six years, acknowledge this or admit it for another six years, and it had to newe another six years, and it had to hewe the another six years, and it had to have the truth another six years, and it had to have the truth dragged out of it, have the truth dragged out of t. Ttettng have the truth dragged out of it, kicking and have the truth dragged out of it, kicking and screaming in a ente it, kicking and screaming in a massive epic litigation at the mtgh massive epic litigation at the not eeen. Massive epic litigation at the high court, which was won by the 555 subpostmasters who took part in 555 subpostmasters who took part tn tt 555 subpostmasters who took part tn tt. Ant 555 subpostmasters who took part in it. And since 555 subpostmasters who took part in it. And since then weve had the in it. And since then weve had the teeee in it. And since then weve had the teeee et in it. And since then weve had the process of conviction being geeehet the process of conviction being geeehet ent the process of conviction being quashed and the the process of conviction being quashed and the compensation ehemee quashed and the compensation schemes being quashed and the compensation schemes being set up to try and hete schemes being set up to try and hett the schemes being set up to try and hett the peer schemes being set up to try and help the poor people whove been left destitute help the poor people whove been left destitute by help the poor people whove been left destitute by having ertmtnet left destitute by having criminal records for sometimes then criminal records for sometimes then e criminal records for sometimes more than a decade. And yet that has more than a decade. And yet that hee reent more than a decade. And yet that has found itself more than a decade. And yet that has found itself bogged down in the weete has found itself bogged down in the weete ee has found itself bogged down in the weeds as well. Has found itself bogged down in the weeds as well. Now this kind of the weeds as well. Now this kind et eetten the weeds as well. Now this kind et eetten te the weeds as well. Now this kind of action is usually the weeds as well. Now this kind of action is usually the kind of ththg of action is usually the kind of thtng thet of action is usually the kind of thing that people of action is usually the kind of thing that people with money, wtth nemte with resources, can handle retettwety with resources, can handle retettwety with resources, can handle relatively. But with resources, can handle relatively. Iri relatively well. But were talking about workers at the post office who wouldnt have those of resources. I mean, those kind of resources. I mean, can give sense of the can you give us any sense of the kind impact fact that this kind of impact fact that this had on these these people . Had on these on these people . Well, we know that there have teen well, we know that there have teen reer well, we know that there have been four suicides amongst the hentrete been four suicides amongst the hentrete et been four suicides amongst the hundreds of people who were eeetet hundreds of people who were eeetet ent hundreds of people who were sacked and prosecuted , but this sacked and prosecuted, but this geee sacked and prosecuted, but this goes even wider sacked and prosecuted, but this goes even wider than this. There meny. Meny goes even wider than this. There were many, many people who found themeetwee were many, many people who found themeetwee eet were many, many people who found themselves out of were many, many people who found themselves out of a were many, many people who found themselves out of a job. Theyd teen themselves out of a job. Theyd teen tetttety themselves out of a job. Theyd been publicly shamed by having her been publicly shamed by having thetehee been publicly shamed by having theiroffice taken been publicly shamed by having their office taken away their post office taken away hem their post office taken away hem them. Their post office taken away from them. And their post office taken away from them. And of course, subpostmaster from them. And of course, subpostmaster is a visible subpostmaster is a very visible wtthtn subpostmaster is a very visible within communities. Within their communities. Theyre enyl within their communities. Theyre any stretch theyre not rich by any stretch of theyre not rich by any stretch et thetr of the imagination. Their eerntnge of the imagination. Their earnings historically been earnings have historically been gette earnings have historically been genetet earnings have historically been gettetet they earnings have historically been quite but they were so quite poor, but they were so wtettte quite poor, but they were so wtettte. They quite poor, but they were so visible, they were well known wtthtn visible, they were well known within their visible, they were well known within their community. So within their community. And so when within their community. And so whensuddenly within their community. And so when suddenly sacked when they were suddenly sacked in circumstances when they were suddenly sacked in circumstances or. In mysterious circumstances or wereenerget in mysterious circumstances or werecharged with in mysterious circumstances or were charged with theft or were then charged with theft or tetee were then charged with theft or false accounting, were then charged with theft or false accounting, of course false accounting, then of course a false accounting, then of course e eemmentty false accounting, then of course a community could false accounting, then of course a community could turn on them. A community could turn on them. Wewe a community could turn on them. Wewe heert a community could turn on them. Weve heard stories a community could turn on them. Weve heard stories of peoples teeghtere weve heard stories of peoples daughters being weve heard stories of peoples daughters being spat weve daughters being spat at. Weve het daughters being spat at. Weve het teette daughters being spat at. Weve het teette whe daughters being spat at. Weve had people who were beaten up as a had people who were beaten up as e reeett had people who were beaten up as e reeettlthe had people who were beaten up as a resultthe shame had people who were beaten up as a result the shame that they a result of the shame that they treeght a result of the shame that they treeght en a result of the shame that they brought on their a result of the shame that they brought on their community and it brought on their community and tt teenty brought on their community and tt teenty tettl it was particularly keenly felt in it was particularly keenly felt tn the it was particularly keenly felt in the south it was particularly keenly felt in the south Asian Community where in the south Asian Community where they in the south Asian Community where they tt in the south Asian Community where they it would break temtttee where they it would break families apart where they it would break families apart because if some if families apart because if some t e families apart because if some if a subpostmaster was sacked or treeeeetet if a subpostmaster was sacked or treeeeetet. Tt if a subpostmaster was sacked or prosecuted, it would bring such a prosecuted, it would bring such e tegree prosecuted, it would bring such e tegree et prosecuted, it would bring such a degree of shame on their temtty a degree of shame on their temtty ent a degree of shame on their family and their community that they family and their community that they weett family and their community that they would often family and their community that they would often be ostracised, eeeetng they would often be ostracised, eeeetng ett they would often be ostracised, causing all sorts they would often be ostracised, causing all sorts of incredible mentet causing all sorts of incredible Mental Health causing all sorts of incredible Mental Health problems for eweenery Mental Health problems for eweenery whe Mental Health problems for everyone who suffered like this. Ant everyone who suffered like this. Ant tete everyone who suffered like this. And lets just everyone who suffered like this. And lets just bring everyone who suffered like this. And lets just bring us. And lets just bring us forward to whats happened now. Theres been this scandal exposed at the post office of guidelines guidance, which which classified people, according to race and used some language which im not going to use at this time on this on this channel. But very offensive, outdated, racist language. How how is it the case that they had these documents, this how did it happen . Um, well, the historical happen . Um, well, the historical te happen . Um, well, the historical version is that happen . Um, well, the historical version is that in happen . Um, well, the historical version is that in the 7 um, well, the historical version is that in the late tetee. Version is that in the late 1970s, racial version is that in the late 1970s, racial identity codes were introduced by the police in enter were introduced by the police in erter te were introduced by the police in erter te ee were introduced by the police in order to use them were introduced by the police in order to use them over radios. So order to use them over radios. Se yee order to use them over radios. Se yee weett order to use them over radios. So you would have someone who whtte so you would have someone who was white european so you would have someone who was white european described as an was white european described as en ent was white european described as an icon, and then was white european described as an icon, and then they would go theegh an icon, and then they would go threegh the an icon, and then they would go through the various racial teeertttere through the various racial descriptors of through the various racial descriptors of people. Now, some of descriptors of people. Now, some et theee descriptors of people. Now, some of those terms descriptors of people. Now, some of those terms that descriptors of people. Now, some of those terms that were used in the tete of those terms that were used in the late 1970s of those terms that were used in the late 1970s now, of those terms that were used in the late 1970s now, we would say whetty the late 1970s now, we would say were wholly offensive. But they were essentially were wholly offensive. But they were essentially grandfathered in, were essentially grandfathered tn. T were essentially grandfathered tn. T thtnt were essentially grandfathered tn. T thtnt. Te were essentially grandfathered in, i think, to the were essentially grandfathered in, i think, to the post Office Investigation in, i think, to the post Office Investigation teams, the people whe Investigation Teams, the people whe mete Investigation Teams, the people whe mete the Investigation Teams, the people who made the prosecution teetetene who made the prosecution decisions at who made the prosecution decisions at the post office, teeeeee decisions at the post office, because one decisions at the post office, because one of decisions at the post office, because one of the signal things eteet because one of the signal things eteet tnte because one of the signal things about this scandal because one of the signal things about this scandal and one of the about this scandal and one of the eeee about this scandal and one of the reasons it about this scandal and one of the reasons it remained undetected the reasons it remained undetected for so long was teeeeee undetected for so long was because the undetected for so long was because the post office had its ewn entl because the post office had its| when t tte own Investigation Team and its own prosecutors. Own Investigation Team and its own prosecutors. They own prosecutors. So they effectively, own prosecutors. So they effectively, by own prosecutors. So they effectively, by passed the tetee effectively, by passed the tettee ent effectively, by passed the police and the effectively, by passed the police and the cps. But police and the cps. But etwteeety police and the cps. But obviously some these codes obviously some of these codes reent obviously some of these codes teent thetr obviously some of these codes found their way obviously some of these codes found their way into the post ethee found their way into the post Office Investigation unit and in het Office Investigation unit and in their compliance Office Investigation unit and in their compliance documents, they regetret their compliance documents, they were required to their compliance documents, they were required to racially eetegertee were required to racially categorise their suspects. Now, you categorise their suspects. Now, yee eete categorise their suspects. Now, yee eett tnte categorise their suspects. Now, you said this went categorise their suspects. Now, you said this went on till 2008. We you said this went on till 2008. We tent you said this went on till 2008. We tent tnew you said this went on till 2008. We dont know when it finished teeeeee we dont know when it finished teeeeee the we dont know when it finished because the post we dont know when it finished because the post office is eerrentty because the post office is currently investigating to find out currently investigating to find eet when currently investigating to find out when this currently investigating to find out when this compliance teeement out when this compliance document actually was discontinued. So it may have teen discontinued. So it may have teen e discontinued. So it may have teen e geee discontinued. So it may have teen e geet 2 discontinued. So it may have been a good 2 or discontinued. So it may have been a good 2 or 3 years after thet been a good 2 or 3 years after thet ee been a good 2 or 3 years after thet ee wett. Been a good 2 or 3 years after that as well. And been a good 2 or 3 years after that as well. And theres no teett that as well. And theres no doubt about that as well. And theres no doubt about it that as well. And theres no doubt about it that these terms erelthe doubt about it that these terms erelthewteh doubt about it that these terms are, the nish kumar, are, in the words of nish kumar, vteterten are, in the words of nish kumar, victorianpowered Victorian Era Steam Powered ent Victorian Era Steam Powered ent yee Victorian Era Steam Powered racism and you when ive studied the teet racism and you when ive studied the eeet ethee racism and you when ive studied the post office for racism and you when ive studied the post office for as long as i newe the post office for as long as i hewe. Tte the post office for as long as i hewe. Tte net the post office for as long as i have, its not surprising to me thet have, its not surprising to me thet they have, its not surprising to me that they would have, its not surprising to me that they would use terms like the that they would use terms like this, because that they would use terms like this, because if that they would use terms like this, because if your department is this, because if your department te reetenettte this, because if your department is responsible for this, because if your department is responsible for erroneously treeeeettng is responsible for erroneously prosecuting hundreds of people on prosecuting hundreds of people en tetee prosecuting hundreds of people on false evidence prosecuting hundreds of people on false evidence , its hardly on false evidence, its hardly any on false evidence, its hardly eny eertrtee on false evidence, its hardly any surprise that on false evidence, its hardly any surprise that your compliance any surprise that your Compliance Systems are going to be Compliance Systems are going to te tn Compliance Systems are going to te tn e Compliance Systems are going to be in a complete, Compliance Systems are going to be in a complete, outdated mess. Ant be in a complete, outdated mess. Ant ee be in a complete, outdated mess. Ant ee when be in a complete, outdated mess. And so when obviously the tengeege. And so when obviously the language itself,. And so when obviously the language itself, when you if you do language itself, when you if you te reet language itself, when you if you do read about language itself, when you if you do read about it language itself, when you if you do read about it and its only a etert do read about it and its only a ehert teegte do read about it and its only a short google away, do read about it and its only a short google away, is very, very ehenetwe short google away, is very, very ehenetwe te short google away, is very, very offensive to lots short google away, is very, very offensive to lots of short google away, is very, very offensive to lots of racial greete offensive to lots of racial greete. Offensive to lots of racial greete. T offensive to lots of racial groups. I mean, offensive to lots of racial groups. groups. I mean, thats the point. I wouldnt even just say that outdated language. That this is outdated language. Its positively 19th century. Its positively 19th century. Its so far outdated that i find it baffling. I cant understand it baffling. I cant understand how it could be, how these compliance documents that no one saw point and saw them at any point and thought, oh, well, theyre due a bit of revision. How did that not happen . Well, i guess if not happen . Well, i guess if youre going back to an organisation , particularly organisation, particularly a department within the organisation, which was almost exclusively white, was largely made up of burly coppers whod made up of burly coppers whod made their way over from the met and didnt think that closely about what they were doing. And about what they were doing. And thatis about what they were doing. And that is why so many people that is why so many people were teteety that is why so many people were falsely prosecuted that is why so many people were falsely prosecuted on dodgy ewttenee falsely prosecuted on dodgy evidence because they didnt enteretent evidence because they didnt understand what they were doing. T hey understand what they were doing. They wee understand what they were doing. They net understand what they were doing. They net e understand what they were doing. They were not a competent organisation, they were not a competent organisation, so they were not a competent organisation, so its unsafe etwtetng organisation, so its unsafe advising that organisation, so its unsafe advising that incompetent people who advising that incompetent people whe tent advising that incompetent people who dont know advising that incompetent people who dont know how to navigate the metem who dont know how to navigate the modern world who dont know how to navigate the modern world very well are etttt the modern world very well are etttt newe the modern world very well are still have the the modern world very well are still have the mindset of a 19th eentery still have the mindset of a 19th century prosecutor still have the mindset of a 19th century prosecutor and still are eetng century prosecutor and still are eetng tengeege century prosecutor and still are using language which wouldnt be out using language which wouldnt be eet et using language which wouldnt be eet et etete using language which wouldnt be eet et tteee tn using language which wouldnt be out of place in the using language which wouldnt be out of place in the 19th century ent out of place in the 19th century ent teet out of place in the 19th century ent teet very out of place in the 19th century and just very quickly before we then. And just very quickly before we hnteh. Wttt and just very quickly before we finish, nick, now and just very quickly before we finish, nick, now that youve wrttten finish, nick, now that youve wrttten yeer finish, nick, now that youve written yourthis finish, nick, now that youve written your this is been written your book, this is been eeweret the written your book, this is been covered. The scandal written your book, this is been covered. The scandal is out there in the open. The there in the open. Is does the post Office Look Like its going to and rehabilitate its to try and rehabilitate its image anytime, time soon . Image anytime, any time soon . Well, the racial language teeement well, the racial language document is well, the racial language document is just one of three eeentete document is just one of three scandals, which document is just one of three scandals, which have broken in the teet scandals, which have broken in the last month scandals, which have broken in the last month. Scandals, which have broken in the last month. Weve had the the last month. Weve had the tax the last month. Weve had the tet tewyer. The last month. Weve had the tax lawyer, dan the last month. Weve had the tax lawyer, dan needle , the man tax lawyer, dan needle, the man whe tax lawyer, dan needle, the man whe treeght tax lawyer, dan needle, the man who brought down tax lawyer, dan needle, the man who brought down Nadine Zahawi hte who brought down Nadine Zahawi hte tex who brought down Nadine Zahawi over his tax affairs who brought down Nadine Zahawi over his tax affairs , look into over his tax affairs, look into the over his tax affairs, look into this scandal over his tax affairs, look into this scandal and over his tax affairs, look into this scandal and actually submit a this scandal and actually submit etermet this scandal and actually submit a formal complaint to the settettere a formal complaint to the Solicitors Regulation Authority eteet Solicitors Regulation Authority eteet the Solicitors Regulation Authority eteet the wey Solicitors Regulation Authority about the way that one element of about the way that one element et the about the way that one element et the teet about the way that one element of the post office about the way that one element of the post Office Compensation eheme of the post Office Compensation eheme te of the post Office Compensation scheme is being of the post Office Compensation scheme is being run for victims teeeeee scheme is being run for victims teeeeee he scheme is being run for victims teeeeee he eeye scheme is being run for victims because he says its misleading. Ant because he says its misleading. Antteet because he says its misleading. Antteette because he says its misleading. Andpostis either and the post office is either deliberately and the post office is either deliberatelyor and the post office is either deliberately or or misleading and the post office is either de|victimsy or or misleading and the post office is either de|victims or or or misleading and the post office is either de|victims or its or misleading and the post office is either de|victims or its incompetentig its victims or its incompetent ent its victims or its incompetent ent en its victims or its incompetent ent en tet its victims or its incompetent ent en tet et its victims or its incompetent and on top of that, we found out thet and on top of that, we found out thet teet and on top of that, we found out that post office and on top of that, we found out that post Office Executives had ewertet that post Office Executives had awarded themselves bonuses just for awarded themselves bonuses just ter cowe awarded themselves bonuses just for covid operating with the tethe for covid operating with the tettte tngetry for covid operating with the Public Inquiry into this eeentet Public Inquiry into this scandal, which is their etetetery scandal, which is their statutory duty. Now, this has nettenet statutory duty. Now, this has heteenet tn statutory duty. Now, this has happened in the statutory duty. Now, this has happened in the space of four weete happened in the space of four weete vee happened in the space of four weeks. You wonder how the post ethee weeks. You wonder how the post office continues weeks. You wonder how the post office continues to weeks. You wonder how the post office continues to go about eheettng office continues to go about shooting itself office continues to go about shooting itself in the foot the entre shooting itself in the foot the enttre ttme shooting itself in the foot the entire time and shooting itself in the foot the entire time and whether it will ever recover. There are people eterttng ever recover. There are people eterttng te ever recover. There are people starting to ask ever recover. There are people starting to ask serious geeettene starting to ask serious questions whether starting to ask serious questions whether the questions about whether the ergenteet questions about whether the organised nation fit for organised nation is fit for ewteee organised nation is fit for terteeelett organised nation is fit for purpose all because it purpose at all because it teeent purpose at all because it doesnt have purpose at all because it doesnt have value to the to doesnt have any value to the to the te doesnt have any value to the to the te the doesnt have any value to the to the to the country doesnt have any value to the to the to the country anymore. Met. The to the country anymore. Wtet. Rm the to the country anymore. Wtet. Tm sorry. The to the country anymore. Nick, im sorry. We the to the country anymore. Nick, im sorry. We have the to the country anymore. Nick, im sorry. We have we are out time, but thank you so out of time, but thank you so much on the show much forjoining me on the show today. Appreciate it. Today. Really appreciate it. Thank and still to come on free speech nation , the bible gets speech nation, the bible gets banned bbc show casualty banned and bbc show casualty goes woke. Its almost time for goes woke. Its almost time for social sensation. See you in a minute. Okay. So this part of the part of the show where we look at the social sensations of the week. And first up, weve got this news report from utah. Its a School District clamped down on that well known purveyor of and indecent materials, the bible. Now, an interesting now, this was an interesting story that went viral. And of course, viral because course, it went viral because Chris Skudder. Its an one, Chris Skudder. Its an odd one, isnt what here . Isnt it . What happened here . Well, it sounds odd the well, it sounds odd on the surface, yeah, surface, doesnt it . Yeah, but it surface, doesnt it . Yeah, but tt eeente surface, doesnt it . Yeah, but it sounds like surface, doesnt it . Yeah, but it sounds like probably i i c 7 yeah, but it sounds like probably very it sounds like probably a very tregreeetwe progressive parent has complained progressive parent has complained School Progressive parent has complainedschool and complained to the school and eett complained to the school and eete teen complained to the school and said, been banning said, oh, youve been banningi eeme gehg some books, now were going to ten some books, now were going to tenteeeeee some books, now were going to ban because theres ban yours because theres etreety ban yours because theres already been ban yours because theres already been some books banned for already been some books banned ter tetng already been some books banned for beingsexual already been some books banned for beingsexual for for being too sexual for ehtttren for being too sexual for ehtttren. For being too sexual for children. Yes. For being too sexual for children. Yes. So this is a bit children. Yes. So this is a bit of children. Yes. So this is a bit et e children. Yes. So this is a bit et e ttt children. Yes. So this is a bit et e ttt ter children. Yes. So this is a bit of a tit for tat, children. Yes. So this is a bit of a tit for tat, isnt it . Teen. Of a tit for tat, isnt it . Yeah, thats of a tit for tat, isnt it . Yeah, thats what it is, isnt tte yeah, thats what it is, isnt he yeah, thats what it is, isnt it . Because yeah, thats what it is, isnt it . Because there yeah, thats what it is, isnt it . I it . Because there are some sexually explicit elements to the if youre if the bible. And so if youre if you florida or you know the Florida State or whatever going ban books whatever is going to ban books with elements, you could make a case that bible have case that the bible would have to well, its to go as well. Well, its interesting to go as well. Well, its interesting that to go as well. Well, its. Interesting thatchose to go as well. Well, its interesting thatchose utah interesting that they chose utah to interesting that they chose utah tewhteh interesting that they chose utah tewhteh te interesting that they chose utah to which islvery to do it in, which is a very tht to do it in, which is a very kind. Weirdly to do it in, which is a very kind weirdly religious kind of weirdly religious state. Its kind of weirdly religious state. He tn kind of weirdly religious state. He tn the kind of weirdly religious state. Its in the west kind of weirdly religious state. Its in the west and its got ett its in the west and its got allmormons its in the west and its got all mormons living there. All those mormons living there. Buteventually, all those mormons living there. But eventually, eventually all those mormons living there. But going entually, eventually all those mormons living there. But going enleady, eventually all those mormons living there. But going len lead y, the tually its going to lead to the dissolution dissolution of the american eyetem dissolution of the american system states dissolution of the american system states because system of the states because gehg system of the states because some are going to be okay. Well, eteerentty apparently weve got a package on apparently weve got a package en tete apparently weve got a package en tete newe apparently weve got a package on lets have a apparently weve got a package on lets have a look| apparently weve got a package. On lets have a look. On this one. Lets have a look. The on this one. Lets have a look. The eewe on this one. Lets have a look. The davis county on this one. Lets have a look. The Davis County School on this one. The davis county School District is the davis county School District te remewtng the davis county School District is removing the the davis county School District is removing the king james et is removing the King James Version of the is removing the King James Version of the bible from etementery version of the bible from elementary and junior high eeheete elementary and junior high schools here. Elementary and junior high schools here. The school ttetrtet schools here. The School District says schools here. The School District says around 7 to 8 eeheete district says around 7 to 8 schools around district says around 7 to 8 schools around the district had the the schools around the district had the httte tn schools around the district had the bible in their schools around the district had the bible in their libraries. T hey the bible in their libraries. They ee the bible in their libraries. They are being the bible in their libraries. They are being removed following a they are being removed following e eteh they are being removed following e eteh tew they are being removed following a utah law that they are being removed following a utah law that prohibits eeheete a utah law that prohibits schools from a utah law that prohibits schools from having or indecent metertet schools from having or indecent metertet. Schools from having or indecent metertet. T schools from having or indecent material. I mean, schools from having or indecent material. I mean, it schools from having or indecent material. C material. I mean, it is a travesty , actually, because the travesty, actually, because the King James Bible as well is a really beautiful document. And its sort of its been really formative in terms of the way that and well, i dont that we speak. And well, i dont know. Buti that we speak. And well, i dont know. But i think kids all up ent know. But i think kids all up ent tewn know. But i think kids all up and down the but i think kids all up and down the country are going to and down the country are going te eeet and down the country are going te eeet tt and down the country are going to seek it out. And down the country are going to seek it out. Now to be going to seek it out. Now eent to be going to seek it out. Now erenttteyte arent they . Maybe its just a mertettng arent they . Maybe its just a mertettng. Yee arent they . Maybe its just a marketing, you know, if theyre teettng marketing, you know, if theyre teettngrete marketing, you know, if theyre lookingrude bits, looking for the rude bits, theyre looking for the rude bits, theyre find. J looking for the rude bits, theyre find. You theyre difficult to find. You hete theyre difficult to find. You hewe te theyre difficult to find. You hewe to te theyre difficult to find. You hewe to te e theyre difficult to find. You have to be a. Of theyre difficult to find. You have to be a. Of a theyre difficult to find. You have to be a of a theologian have to be a bit of a theologian or a scholar to where to or a scholar to know where to look. Good luck, kids look. Right. But good luck, kids anyway. Its part the anyway. Now its part of the show talk through show where we talk through your unfiltered dilemma. The first dilemma david. Dilemma came in from david. David yesterday joined david says, yesterday i joined a queue the supermarket and saw queue at the supermarket and saw a elderly take a very elderly gentleman take an a take an age. Oh, i see what you mean. Take an age over his transaction before wandering off in a confused state wearing a vacant stare. When i left, he vacant stare. When i left, he was getting behind the wheel of a car report. My concerns or none of my business sounds like fraudulence. What do you think, lewis . An age over. What is lewis . What an age over. What is that . Its a phrase lewis . What an age over. What is that . Its a phrase he 37 3 g what is that . Its a phrase he means it tetee that . Its a phrase he means it tetee e that . Its a phrase he means it tetee e teng that . Its a phrase he means it takes a long time. Ottii oh, takes a long time. Over. Oh, teet takes a long time. Over. Oh, teet en takes a long time. Over. Oh, teet en ege takes a long time. Over. Oh, took an age over. Takes a long time. Ottii oh, took an age over. Its not. Tte took an age over. Its not. He net took an age over. Its not. Its not grammatically accurate. Right yeah. Then said, right yeah. And then they said, wett wetti well he probably thought, well, hee well he probably thought, well, hee the well he probably thought, well,| hes the united hes the president of the united stetee. Hes the president of the united stetee. Nett hes the president of the United States. Hell be hes the president of the United States. Hell be all right. Reeettty states. Hell be all right. Possibly crested states. Hell be all right. Possibly crested or states. Hell be all right. Possibly crested or do states. Hell be all right. Possibly crested or do you have any thoughts on that, joe biden allowed drive . I know allowed to drive . I dont know whet allowed to drive . I dont know wheteeythg allowed to drive . I dont know wheteeytng. He allowed to drive . I dont know whatsaying. He saw what hes saying. He saw eemetety what hes saying. He saw somebody navigating a Self Checkout thought, Self Checkout and thought, i tent Self Checkout and thought, i tent ttte Self Checkout and thought, i dont like the Self Checkout and thought, i dont like the hes done dont like the way hes done thet. Dont like the way hes done thatidont dont like the way hes done that. Idont its dont like the way hes done that. Dont its just saw him that. I dont its just saw him the that. I dont its just saw him the e that. I dont its just saw him the e er that. I dont its just saw him drive a car and that. I dont its just saw him drive a car and thought he eheett drive a car and thought he should report drive a car and thought he should report this. Who . To should report this. To who . To whe should report this. To who . To whe. Should report this. To who . To whe. T should report this. To who . To whe. T thtnt should report this. To who . To who. I think just should report this. To who . To who. ti i who. I think just mind your own business right . Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Well, thats one of definitely. Well, thats one of the more baffling dilemmas weve had. Them coming had. But keep them coming in anyway. All anyway. Im afraid that is all weve for. But thank weve got time for. But thank you for joining for you very much for joining us for free speech nation. Were id like to thank my panel. Cressida wetton and lewis and wetton and Lewis Schaffer. And to guests that youve to all of the guests that youve seen tonight. And by the way, if you join us live in you want to join us live in the studio part of our studio and be part of our wonderful you can do wonderful audience, you can do that to go do is that all. You have to go do is go dot sro audiences. Com. Go to ww dot sro audiences. Com. You can see the web address on the screen right now and do come along weve got along because weve got wine, weve snacks. A lot of weve got snacks. Its a lot of fun, isnt it . So do fun, isnt it . Cressida so do come join us. You said come along and join us. You said that in a kind of sceptical way. I did. Dont worry, lewis i did. And dont worry, lewis isnt every week. But no , isnt here every week. But no, hes actually lewis. Im sorry about that one. That was too far, wasnt it . But then you did call me half a journalist. Well, no. You are a journalist enetmee no. You are a journalist sometimes you you are a journalist sometimes you have your teernettet sometimes you have your journalist hat sometimes you have your journalist hat on and sometimes you journalist hat on and sometimes yeetee journalist hat on and sometimes yeetee meen journalist hat on and sometimes youtoo much of journalist hat on and sometimes youtoo much of an journalist hat on and sometimes you too much of an agenda you have too much of an agenda to you have too much of an agenda te teernettet. You have too much of an agenda to journalist. You. To be called a journalist. You ereewte to be called a journalist. You arelewis. You to be called a journalist. You arelewis. You know. Are always lewis. You know what yeer are always lewis. You know what yewte are always lewis. You know what yeerte generetty are always lewis. You know what youris generally, right . I your agenda is generally, right . So your agenda is generally, right . Sett. Your agenda is generally, right . Sett. Het your agenda is generally, right . Sett. Tet tte your agenda is generally, right . Soit. But its like. So i support it. But its like when. So i support it. But its like when. Yee so i support it. But its like when, you know, so i support it. But its like when, you know, on positive when, you know, on that positive hete when, you know, on that positive neeteet when, you know, on that positive netelteetyee when, you know, on that positive note,justyou off note, ill just cut you off there note, ill just cut you off there when note, ill just cut you off there when he note, ill just cut you off there when he says something me there when he says something ntee ehenge. I there when he says something. Nice change. But nice about me for a change. But look. Nice about me for a change. But tooktuned nice about me for a change. But look,tuned for nice about me for a change. But look,tuned for the look, stay tuned for the brilliant dolan tonight. Brilliant mark dolan tonight. That and dont that is next. And please dont forget headliners on forget that headliners is on every at 11 lewis is every night at 11 pm. Lewis is on and that is the late on tonight and that is the late night paper show where night paper preview show where comedians talk you through the next stories. Next days top news stories. Thats night 11 00. Thats every night at 11 00. Dont it. And thank you all dont miss it. And thank you all for watching. Free speech nation. Next week. Woo. Ill see you next week. Woo woo hello there. Welcome to woo hello there. Welcome to your latest woo hello there. Welcome to your latest ea woo hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news sm; welcome to your latest gb news Weather Forecast your latest gb news weather toroooot. Your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Im your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Im greg your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Ecu t your latest gb news Weather Forecast. Ecu t e� r forecast. Im Greg Dewhurst and looking at the next few days it stays fine and settled, but there are signs of something little hotter and more humid on the way to end the week. But at the way to end the week. But at the moment, High Pressure is in charge of our weather keeping it settled. This low pressure moves towards us, allowing a southerly airstream to develop towards next weekend , increasing risk of next weekend, increasing risk of some heavy showers. A fine end to sunday. We are seeing some low cloud across eastern areas push its way inland as we move overnight tonight. They can offer the odd spot of drizzle , offer the odd spot of drizzle, clear skies holding on across west in parts of the uk and under those clear skies, temperatures could dip to mid to low single Figures Holding up in the east where it is a grey start to monday morning. Low start to monday morning. Low cloud also affected midlands , cloud also affected midlands, perhaps even eastern parts of wales , but through the morning wales, but through the morning and into the afternoon we should see that low cloud lift and break back towards the eastern coast it will stay quite coast where it will stay quite grey much the day. Whilst grey for much of the day. Whilst much of country will have a much of the country will have a fine plenty of sunny spells fine day, plenty of sunny spells and temperatures lifting into the still chilly along the low 20s still chilly along eastern coast with that north easterly breeze here on monday evening. Weve got plenty of sunshine before dusk and then as we head towards midnight and overnight, we see the low cloud pushing back in once again, a bit of deja vu here. Thick enough for a little of light enough for a little bit of light rain and drizzle in places, but perhaps pushing a little further westwards than previous nights under any clear spells, particularly across western scotland , northern ireland. Scotland, northern ireland. Temperatures here on the chilly side. And so quite a grey start to tuesday morning. Best the to tuesday morning. Best of the sunshine. Western fringes of the uk. Of northern ireland. Uk. Much of northern ireland. And then just like the last few days, well see that low cloud slowly push back. May take slowly push back. It may take longer. Some central and longer. So some central and eastern parts of england staying on the cloudy best of the on the cloudy side, best of the sunshine west, further sunshine in the west, further sunshine. Wednesday and thursday. Temperatures in the low 20s. See you again later. Its 9 00 on television, on radio its 9 00 on television, on rotto ort. Its 9 00 on television, on radio and online. Its 9 00 on television, on radio and online in. Its 9 00 on television, on radio and online in the its 9 00 on television, on radio and online in the united ttrgtom radio and online in the united ttrgtom ort radio and online in the United Kingdom and across the world. Trots kingdom and across the world. Ttto to kingdom and across the world. Ttto to trott kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight. Kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight. And this is mark dolan tonight. And got this is mark dolan tonight. And got o
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