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Martha or was it just a very bad day for Robert Mueller, who clearly ran out of steam and seemed to have real command or ownership of the content of the investigation . Adam schiff today suggested that a torch has now passed to congress. Would not tell us whether the president should be impeached, nor did we ask you since it is our responsibility to determine the proper remedy for the conduct outlined in your report. Martha joining me tonight, congressman david sisson lane, who question Robert Mueller today and trey gowdy and andy mccarthy, whos been with us throughout the day with their analysis tonight as well. But first, which side moved the ball forward today . Heres a look. The president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him. But that is not what your report said, is it . So its not your purview to look into whether or not steel is mine, whether or not antitrump russians are lying. The president wanted to fire you because you were investigating him for obstruction of justice. What hes doing is not obstructing justice, he is pursuing justice and the fact that you ran it out two years means you perpetuated injustice. Martha a lot of emotion out there today. Democratic congressman david sisson lane sits on the House Judiciary Committee and he question Robert Mueller today. Congressman, thank you very much for joining us this evening. Its great to have it with us. Your thoughts on today and where do you, waiters or parties take this next . I think today the special counsel made it very clear that this investigation was not a hoax, was not a witch hunt and in fact the president was not exonerated as he exclaimed. Hes walked through the contents of his report during the questioning the provided evidence of the president of the United States directed the office of Legal Counsel to fire the special counsel. Don mcgann was then asked to lie about that and even generated a fake document saying it didnt happen. It was also asked questions about his effort that Corey Lewandowski was asked by the president of United States to direct the attorney general to tell the special counsel to limit his investigation to future elections effectively cutting off the investigation in its entirety. Martha i want to play actually your comment today about that moment with Corey Lewandowski. Lets watch. Two days after the White House Counsel Don Mcgahn refused to carry out the president s order to fire you, the president directed a private citizen to tell the attorney general of United States who was recused at the time to limit your investigation to future elections, effectively ending your investigation into the 2016 Trump Campaign, is that correct . Im not going to adopt her characterization, the facts as laid out in the report are accurate. Martha let me ask you this about Robert Mueller today, was it frustrating for you as a questionnaire to lay out those questions and to try to sort of build what you were going for their and to have him not sort of you know be as sharp as i think a lot of people expected he would be . I spent a lot of time in courtrooms and mr. Mueller was a prosecutors prosecutor. A man of few words who acknowledged what he had written in the report and with respect to the ten counts of obstruction of justice, i think he provided the American People with very specific details about the evidence he collected in the investigation of serious wrongdoing by this president and basically acknowledged but for the office of Legal Counsel memo that says a sitting counsel stomach president cant be indicted that this individual would have faced criminal charges for obstruction of justice. Martha but it didnt say that, congressman. He in fact correct about when he came back for the second round this afternoon. He said that is actually not the case. He said the case is that we did not find the president obstructed justice. In other words we were not able to make a conclusion on that. In fact, what we learned today is that both are false. The president cant say he was exonerated and mr. Mueller cant say that he exonerated the president because that is not how it works in terms of prosecution, which i know you well know. What mr. Mueller said was he went through the elements, the three elements of obstruction of justice and in five episodes all three elements were satisfied. But he did say was he didnt make a charging decision, a traditional charging decision because of the olc memorandum, but there is overwhelming evidence that was presented. Martha i have to dispute that because of what mr. Mueller said. He said that it was part of the decision but that it was not that there were other factors that didnt allow him to find obstruction. The truth of the matter is that if he did find obstruction he still knew that down the road it would not probably come to an indictment because of the olc, but that was not what he said. He said that we were we found evidence, however we were not able to actually reach the conclusion that there was obstruction. Thats actually not with a special counsel said. What the special counsel said it satisfied each of the three elements of obstruction of justice. He said he did that not make a traditional charging decision, the president could face indictment when he left office but the olc memorandum prevented him from making a charging decision. But what the American People saw is the president engaging in serious misconduct, an effort to obstruct justice, impede its investigation after a very pervasive and systematic attack on our democracy by the russians. I think we can all agree that we have a responsibility to protect our democracy from foreign interference. The special counsel found a very systematic and broad sweeping attack on our democracy. We have the responsibility to protect that and then we heard evidence about the president s efforts to impede, undermine, stop the investigation into the president s campaign in the obstruction of justice. And look, i think we all know no one in this country is about the law, including the president of the United States. He must be held accountable and thats congress responsibility. Martha let me ask you about another moment then with congressman latin Democratic Left when he said that it appears of course everyone accepts the fact that no one is, but he also said the president or anyone else cant be under the law, so you cant make this claim that you found all this evidence but youre not able to exonerate. That is not part of the task that was given to Robert Mueller. So it leaves this burden on the person who has found been found not guilty of a crime or not ability to prosecute and yet it still hangs this weight around their neck out there in the public, which is absolutely not the way that the process is done in the United States of america. Martha, look, i was a criminal defense lawyer, youre right, but we are not dealing with a criminal defendant, we are dealing with the president of the United States. We have a higher standard. What we know for sure is that the president engaged in very specific acts of obstruction of justice. We have the responsibility mr. Mueller said this in his report, he cannot charge them because of the olc memorandum. Martha we are going to agree to disagree just based on the facts. Im only going on what Robert Mueller said today. I am not a criminal defense attorney and you are. However, i know what he said today, thats what he said. You may believe that there is that theres obstruction in the president may be held to a higher standard, but he certainly shouldnt be subjected to a lower standard than the rest of american citizens. Nobody in this country is above the law. We are a country of laws. The president must be held accountable for his misconduct. It is incumbent on the congress to hold him accountable and thats what we attend to do. Martha david, it always good to see her, thanks for coming in. Here now, trey gowdy, former member of the House Intelligence Committee and former House Oversight Committee Chair and andy mccarthy, former federal prosecutor, both are fox news contributors. Gentlemen, your reaction, first of all to that conversation and those comments from the congressman. Theyre having a hard time getting the standards rate. In the criminal justice while you are clothed with a resumption of innocence that remains with you unless and until the United States government proves each essential element of an offense beyond a reasonable doubt. Thats what, whether the president or whether youre andy mccarthy, that is the standard. He and others are applying the political standard that it is somehow the president s responsibility to exonerate himself or prove that he did not do something. You cant do it, which is why we dont make people do it in the court. Martha however the inverse is also true. If the president cant say i was completely exonerated for the same reason. I think when the president says that he is speaking in a political primate keep in mind before bob mueller had uttered a single syllable of his report, 60 House Democrats had moved to impeach him. Adam schiff had him in jail and then he had him imprisoned. Martha since you brought that up i just want to play this little montage because this when you hear the language that we heard today in there, i just want to remind people of the stakes in the bar, the way that it was placed as we went through this whole process. Lets play that. He may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time. By the time we get to 2020, donald trump may not even be president. In fact, he may not even be a free person. To believe the president right now has been an agent of the russians . Yes. Martha andy, let me bring you in here. Your reaction to the bar that was set in comparison to where we are now . I agree on the narrow matter of the president. Whoever we are talking about, if youre going to bring the president into a criminal investigation, he has the same rights as everyone else. I agree with the congressman before who said that we hold them to a higher standard, but thats politically. If youre going to deal with him in the context of a criminal investigation, that he has the same rights of anyone whos in a criminal investigation and when the congressman says that mueller laid out these three elements of the offense and there was evidence on each one of them, lawyers for a word like around all the time. There may have been evidence on each element. Thats common in every single case. The question, as he said, with respect to each element i met at the evidence amount of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt . If it doesnt, then you have not satisfy the standard and mueller never said he satisfy the standard. Martha in fairness to representative celine, now it does become a political question and also in many ways that is what today was about. It was about the house trying to figure out do we have the circumstances under which we should keep moving forward with this issue of whether or not we want impeachment proceedings, if that is what happens, thats in their court to decide what high crimes and misdemeanors are. Martha, i would say its always been political. I was on the Intelligence Committee when adam schiff broke his feet for three months and didnt even want to start interviewing witnesses because he wanted to stretch this out as long as he could. And here we are a couple of months before people began to vote in 2020. Theyve been successful. What they wanted was mueller to come in and do their job for them, to issue this report, this road map that could lead them to impeachment. The report was one thing. Today was an unmitigated train wreck and a disaster and are farther away from impeachment than they were this time yesterday. Martha lets play this sound bite from Louie Gohmert, congressman Louie Gohmert from today with regard to the relationship between comey and peter strzok because this goes to the issue of the origins of the investigation and what kind of shape thats out of the story is in. Lets watch. You and james comey have been good friends and were good friends for many years, correct . Business associates. If we both started off in the justice department. You were good friends. You can Work Together and not be friends but you and comey were friends. We were friends. Peter strzok hated trump. Okay. You didnt know that before he was made part of your team, is that what youre saying . I did not know that. All right when i did find out, i acted swiftly to have him reassigned. Theres some discussion about how swift that was. Martha without a nap before we go . I think they are not anymore entitled to the benefit of every doubt than what the democrats are willing to accord to the president. This has to be investigated. Its part of the factfinding process to determine how it was that they acquired the evidence and what we are to make of it, how we are to weigh it. This is where this investigation goes now. Its the investigation of the investigators. Martha final thoughts . I agree with andy. We need a department of justice that everyone has respect and confidence and regardless of political ideation and theres nothing wrong with looking into the origins of the russia probe and whether or not the department of justice acted with integrity. Martha great working with you today. Great to have you here on the panel. Coming up, if you are carter page, who was suspected of being coopted by the russians and was interviewed several times by the fbi, then he went in front of the grand jury of the special counsel, what are you thinking tonight about everything that you went through the past two years . Carter page, they went to the fisa court. 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In 2016, the fbi did something they probably havent done before, they spied on two american citizens associated with a president ial campaign. George papadopoulos and carter page. Its apparent that the steele dossier formed part of the basis to justify the fbis counterintelligence investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election as we know it was used to obtain a fisa warrant on carter page. The special counsel did not charge carter page with anything, correct . The special counsel did not. Martha here now, the apprehension carter page, Trump Campaign advisor. Thanks for coming tonight. What did you make of what they were saying about the timeline start of all of this . Who invited you to a symposium in cambridge and why is there anything possibly nefarious about that . Look, im keeping an open mind and i think if you listen to a lot of the testimony even the questions from the republicans, they were asking they just want the facts and it was complete stonewalling today. There is so much thats about to come out. Its really an incredible moment in history. Today was a real turning point. Exactly along the lines martha what you mean so much thats about to come out, what do you mean . I think the fact that mr. Mueller wouldnt answer any other questions and they said there is this ongoing Inspector General report coming out. I think thats just step one in a long process. And chairman graham had said that since the republicans still control the senate, they are also going to do a deep dive into this real tremendous attack on our democracy led by the democrats. Martha saw who it as i said, who invited you to cambridge . We heard a lot of names tossed around today, joseph, alexander downer, who reached out to you for that particular event that makes those gentlemen think that mightve been when it started . Look, im always very open, but id like not to point the finger at people. And so i am however today they did mention directly that stephen, a student at cambridge university, they have evidence that he was the person who invited me. So its no in congressional testimony, so i guess its out there. But again, i keep an open mind. Martha i understand, but did any alarm bells go off in your head when you dealt with that student, stephen, i just think it raised a lot of questions today so im just curious what you can fill in for us. Look, there are so many alarm bells that started later that same month. In late july of 2016 is when i started first getting the calls based on these false allegation allegations. The chairman, people who ive never met in my life. And they were trying to get some basic facts on that and unfortunately it was a complete roadblock. But i think we are right getting closer to starting to unravel these questions. Martha i just want to play one more sound bite for you. This is from devin nunes with regard to joseph smith and i jt to get your reaction to this. The entire investigation was opened based not on five eyes intelligence, but on a tip from a foreign politician about a conversation involving joseph. Hes a multis diplomat who was widely portrayed as a russian agent, but seems to have formal connections with western governments, including our own fbi and our own state department. And with russia. Martha whats your reaction to that moment, carter . With another one of those situations i was just alluding to where i want to be careful. I had met with him, i spent several days with him. I dont think ive ever met mifsud in my life. Im careful not to say too much about that. However i think it was a great point and i think you listen to the wall i know you had great coverage all day and you heard the whole testimony, but there was a lot of open questions related to this, which were totally misrepresented throughout that mueller report. If all the pages about me are just complete democrats spin. Totally out of control and its exactly as we are i think the exculpatory element. Martha are you going to take any action with regard to that . Its interesting. Ive had a case in Western District of oklahoma and unfortunately theres been a lot of stonewalling. Director ray, who i ask for some evidence from, hes been totally stonewalling with the fbi, but im hoping that now that things are starting to come out, i definitely have some big steps planned there and elsewhere with the dnc and their cronies, who are at the center of this whole scandal. Martha all right. Carter page, thank you very much. Good to see you tonight. Thanks for being here. Coming up next. The democrats had nothing and now they have less than nothing. And i think theyre going to lose the 2020 election very big, including congressional seats, because of the path that they chose. Martha that was the president earlier this evening. 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Martha pete to buttigieg today insisting there are grounds to impeach President Trump despite waning support among the American Public. Earlier this month, a poll found that 59 of americans do not want to launch do not want the house to launch impeachment proceedings and heres joe biden today on how Speaker Pelosi has approached this issue. And i think what the speaker is doing now is setting up the circumstances where under the law, the administration is required to respond to inquiries along the lines that theyre asking for. To the extent, and ive said this for the last three months, to the extent that they are stonewalled on that, it builds the case the only route they have is to go the impeachment route. Martha here no exclusively tom perez, thanks for being here. Is great to be with you. Martha whats your reaction to that and do you think that it will be validated to go the impeachment route if there is this stonewalling with joe biden talks about . I was a career prosecutor and i learned early on you gather the facts and thats exactly what theyre doing in the house. We need to hear from don mcgahn. We need to hear from Corey Lewandowski. We heard some very powerful testimony here about allegations of obstruction of justice. I prosecuted obstruction of justice cases and i oftentimes had difficulty gathering evidence and what they have to do here today and continue to do in the weeks and months ahead its followthrough on all of the investigative leads. Im a big believer ready, aim, fire. If you dont act hastily. Martha what do you say to those that this investigation has been going on for a couple of years now and theres a report today, the Washington Post put out a story saying the democrats arent frustrated with the ongoing effort to investigate President Trump and they complain about a lack of urgency and a lack of results and then youve got 53 in the cbs poll saying they want to move on from this issue. Are you concerned about what it does politically . Youve asked a number of really important questions there, martha. When watergate first came to light it took two years for the American Public to appreciate the gravity of watergate and very few people and i understand why havent had the time to read the report. What we are today, the most important witness wasnt bob mueller, it was the report in the report laid out some very serious allegations and i think one of the allegations its not an allegation, i think its a reality thats not getting the attention it deserves, is that director mueller said today, he said previously the russians interfered with our 2016 election, the interference is continuing today. They did it before, theyre going to do it again and what troubles me as much as anything in addition to all the allegations and potential obstruction is the fact that we know that our fiercest adversary is poised to do it again this president has been abjectly ineffective at combating that. That is a serious thing. Martha it seemed to be the thing that mueller was the most animated about, it was just the overall concerns about the election process. He was clearly very passionate about that. And i think its a legitimate question. This isnt right versus left. This is right versus wrong. These are attacks on our democracy. Our commander in chief is supposed to protect our security, protect our democracy and the russians have interfered with our elections. Martha understand what youre saying. Do you think if Hillary Clinton had one that, whatever but expect it was going to happen up until the day of the election that would be going down that would be having all these investigations about the russian interference . Do you think we would be where we are today with this process if she was in the white house . The simple answer to that is donald trump wouldnt have the protections from being indicted as martha what the russian state, none of that changes, thats static, so would Hillary Clinton, would you be pursuing all of these measures because all of those things would still exist . If you try to rob a bank and are unsuccessful, doesnt make it less of a bank robbery. It doesnt. And again, we had interference in the 2016 election. We are at war right now, martha, its a cyber war and its going to continue. The commander in chief has been abjectly ineffective at fighting this cyber war. What the congress is doing is incredibly important and they can walk and chew gum. They are simultaneously continuing to follow all of the investigative leads and i appreciate the frustration that people believe about the amount of time its taking. Part of the reason its taking so much time as we are getting stonewalled. We have to go to court to enforce a. Martha both sides of stonewalled in the past and we are seeing that again at this point. I know you are frustrated by that. I want to ask you a couple quick questions before i run out of time. In terms of the president s backandforth with the women who call themselves the squad, is that distracting from the candidates that you want people to be focused on right now . The number one issue that voters want to hear about is what youre going to do about their health care . I have a preexisting condition, who has my back . The reason the president doesnt talk about that is he went into court a week and a half ago or two weeks ago to try to undo the Affordable Care act. They are trying to accomplish in court what they couldnt do in congress so when you dont have the facts on your side, you distract. Im very proud of the work that all the democrats in the u. S. House have done to make sure we pass the minimum wage increase, protect people with preexisting conditions, bring down the cost of Prescription Drugs. All that democrats have done. Martha when im asking you do you feel like the stories getting hijacked these four women because theres so much focus on them and then you have the bds movement and youve got a movement against that now thats forming in the house. Are they when you watch all that and you see that story getting so much attention all the time, i cant imagine that youre not thinking the quiet, we need to focus on our candidates right now. Im proud of all the democrats in the u. S. House of representatives because they have focused on the promises they made in 2018 to address Prescription Drug costs, to protect access to health care, to raise the minimum wage. To make sure we address common sense Gun Violence Reduction measures. They have delivered on those. Donald trump hasnt delivered on anything. He has a trail of broken promises a milelong and when you dont have the facts, when you have broken those promises, you distract people. Martha you know what he would say. It would say the exact opposite in the economy is going great. Thats a debate that i was like the going to have. Why does it was sweet about all this other things . Thats the thing. The reason is martha im just saying that what youre talking about will clearly be the subject of the next president ial election and we will hear debate on both sides met. One last question for you, what did you make of this story about al franken and him saying that he never should have stepped down . At the time back in december of 2017 use it franken should step down. Everyone must share the responsibility of building a culture of respect for women. You concerns that due process didnt get its full due in that situation . I havent read the story by al franken. I am focused on the future. Im focused on making sure we win elections next year. I have respect for al franken. I dont have respect for the conduct he was engaged in and i respect what he did at the end of the day and stepping down. My focus is on making sure that we are going to win the selection by, again, delivering on our promises, like nancy pelosi and other democrats have done. When we focus on the future and when we dont allow these divisive distractions of the president to get in our way, thats how we do well. We did very well in 2018 and i think will do the same thing in 2020. Martha always good to see you two. We were looking live at puerto rico. 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Protests over corruption allegations and an obscenity obscenitylaced leaked message scandal that has dogged the governor there. Protesters swarm the streets both demanding his ousting and celebrating news of a possible resignation tonight. Jeff paul is there, hes live in san juan, puerto rico, this evening with the latest. Hi, jeff. For the first time in nearly two weeks, this protest has sort of changed in mood. We are not hearing as much anger out here. We are not seeing as much violence and now this has sort of turned into a celebration, as i said you can kind of see with the folks are doing. They are singing, they are dancing, waiting a puerto rican flag knowing that they might be just minutes away possibly according to some reports from Ricardo Rossello resigning. You can see the people out here feel like they are close to that happening. A little while ago there was a spokesperson for the governor while we were outside of his mansion, came out and basically said that in a short time the governor is going to address the situation. One of the local radio stations saying here it could happen as early as 8 00 p. M. , so thats about 15 minutes away. And one of the other things we want to mention is earlier this morning, one of the sources that we have here on the island told us that it is over. At that is a statement that tens of thousands of protesters here in puerto rico have been marching for. They have been standing outside the Governors Mansion days on end in the hot sun. Sometimes its raining and they feel like they are very close to finally accomplishing that mission. Martha. Martha jeff, thank you very much. We will be watching and of course the question then will be what comes next for puerto rico. Jeff paul live there this evening. Thanks to him. Remember this . The future is private. 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Martha facebook hit with a recordsetting 5 billion fine from the ftc for violating the privacy of its users and mishandling their data, surprise, surprise. The social media giant has since agreed to implement new to new oversight measures but there are some questions about whether federal regulators should have done more to protect consumers like fine mark zuckerberg, personally, and limited his authority potentially. Christina has the story tonight. Unfortunately thats not the case. Mark zuckerberg is not being held personally liable but facebook does have to do a few things now that they are blinded to this 20 year settlement with the ftc. They are going to have to create an oversight committee. Zuckerberg himself, you are seeing on your screen, will have to personally create this Quarterly Report showing they are complying with privacy rules. They will have to be very specific, they cant use your phone number to advertise. If they have to explain what they are doing with facial recognition, but most importantly though hes not personally liable. All this stems back to last year. Maybe you remember the cambridge analytical scandal where they got millions of peoples user information without consent. That is why the federal trade commission went after facebook for this issue. If you have a lot of democratic policymakers that are angry with this 5 billion fine. Thats peanuts for facebook, its like a slap on the wrist and these guys are not held these executives are not held accountable and since where talk about regulation, facebook is still being scrutinized because also you have the department of justice that announced that theyre going to be launching an antitrust review of big technology. They want specific on the Company Names but some that youre seeing on your screen, facebook, google, amazon, apple, could be scrutinized in terms of whether they engaged in monopolistic practices and hurt consumers from entering the market. Overall what we know from these two stories is that washington is scrutinizing big technology. Back to you. Martha had a come. Thank you very much. Here now, senator john kennedy of louisiana, member of the Senate Judiciary committee. Senator, always good to have you here, thanks for coming in tonight. This is a tweet i want to put a from Elizabeth Warren and uci to eye on this. She says we already knew the ftc is 5 billion settlement with facebook was a drop in the bucket penalty and the fine print proves that it is a joke. Do you agree . Yes, but i dont think youre going to solve this problem with the ftc. Congress is going to have to weigh in on this. Facebook is no longer a company, its a country. 2 billion users. It can influence what we think, what we believe, how we vote, what we buy. Even how we feel. Their Business Model is we give up all of our personal information, very valuable. In return, for us being able to see what our High School Friends had for dinner on saturday martha thats right. Im okay with that as long as people understand what theyre giving up and what i think we need to do is pass a bill that says, number one, you own your data. Number two, you can license it to facebook, but the licensing has to be knowing, it has to be willful, you have to know what they have to tell you what theyre doing with it. Right now their terms and conditions are about eight pages singlespaced, nobody reads it. If you could hide a dead body in there, nobody would ever find it. My bill would say look, youve got to write it in plain english. If you change your mind, you can opt out. If your is portable. You are entitled to a copy of your data. And if people are willing to do that, i say fine, the consent has got to be knowing. Martha ever but he thought social media was the greatest thing since sliced bread until they realize that is the tradeoff. Exactly as you said. You dont get anything for nothing. The other problem is we need a better understanding of social medias algorithms. Martha absolutely. They say they are not shading the truth in terms of what we see, but 60 of their users use facebook as a primary new sourc source. Martha thats one of the reasons the doj is looking into it as well. Before i let you go i do want to get your thoughts on today. I know you said you thought that it was sad to see Robert Mueller not a sharp, perhaps, on some of the facts. Even before today, most americans had moved on from this issue. This issue, even before today, was as dead as 4 00 to them. What my democratic friends tried to do today was room a corpse, and they couldnt do it. They just couldnt do it. Not a corpse is not only dead, its buried. I do feel bad about bob mueller and i dont think they should have put him through this. Bob mueller, in my judgment i know some of our viewers disagree, but hes an honorable man and he served this country well and hope the American People will remember him from his days when he was in his prime. He shouldnt have had to go through that. Martha its notable, i think, that he didnt throw bill barr or President Trump really under the bus. He stuck to what he was there to talk about and he didnt sort of let himself be pulled in those directions. Just very quickly before i let you go, the budget, are you going to vote for this deal . No, not likely. Martha because . Because you dont have to be euclid to understand the math here. We are thelma and louise headed towards the cliff. In this budget just makes it worse. I understand divided congress. If people want to vote for it thats their opinion, i get that. Martha you cant in good conscience. 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