0 dropping 45% of its customers in florida blue. 80%. that's just the beginning. policies will be cut. if you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan, period. 14 million people who buy insurance. that they had previously. >> >> cause, whether he did so intentionally is impossible. haven't begun 160 million americans. if you confront some ardent democrats about the situation, here is blame the republicans for some of this because they delayed everything they possibly could, threw as many monkey wrenches. so let me get this straight. dr. dean republicans oppose obama care somehow the computer system doesn't work? i guess republicans some kind of magical power. software allowing it not to function that seems to be dr. dean's diagnosis. even president obama's most loyal supporters will have to accept that obama care is not ready. talking points expect as bipartisan bill that will delay compromise way back before. the reason for you guys to continue to watch the program. top story tonight, reaction joining us from boston, dr. jonathan gruber who teaches economics at mit and helped shape the romney care program in massachusetts and advise on obama care as well. doctor, would you support a one year delay? >> no, i would not, bill. >> and the reason that you want to go forward with this system that's kind of chaotic is? >> because we are overreacting to short-term news. look, when we set up the first month 150. same kind of issues facing internationally. people, the law was widely supported by residents of our state. it just take as while. we can't overreact to day-to-day and week to week. long run trend. find somebody who can't sign up even if they want to sign up because that's the situation we have now. >> look, it's -- we have to ask ourselves better, worse or the same. as we mentioned effect them. let's stay on the same playing field. they went up at exactly the national rate. this law will not raise employer insurance premiums and not lower them in the short-term. >> president obama said it would lower them. >> it will lower them in the long term. >> let's be very clear. 3 days before romney care, 50 days now. why the increase in wait? >> that fact is incorrect. if you look at the surveys that were done of doctors, on average, doctor waiting times, which were very high in massachusetts before a law did not go up. they went up for some and down for others. >> this just came out. the massachusetts medical society, july 213, okay, it's ninth annual patients access to care study, that is where i just it crewed you, you say that's bull? that's bogus? this study doesn't mean anything, it's wrong. >> what i say is if you look at that same study and across specialties, some specialties went up. some specialties went down. >> family care physicians. >> internal medicine physicians they didn't -- 33 to 50 is not before the law they didn't measure that before the law. >> it's from 2007 to 2013. all right? is that fair? 33 to 50. >> 33 to 50 for. >> why is it going up? >> if you look at that survey, overall across all doctors, it went up for some and down for some but did not go up on average. >> that's not what this study says but we will move ahead. according to the boston herald in 2013, healthcare will consume 41% of massachusetts budget as opposed to 23% in 2000. enormous rise in costs for the citizens of the bay state you say? >> i say that basically if you look across the nation, it's pretty comparable. basically healthcare costs have been going up at 7.5% that's not what we are being sold this government intrusion on the state or federal level are going to bring premiums down for true, but it's an income redistribution play, it's taking from those who have and supporting those who have not. and that's what this is all about, isn't it not? >> this is about -- there is no doubt there is large income distribution in this law, bill, can you like it or not. and that's debate for another day. that's fundamentally what this law is about. fundamentally about providing security for americans who today can be wrunt at a moment's notice by having a bad gene or getting in a bad traffic accident. >> i'm with you on preexisting conditions and i am with you on providing health insurance for those who can't provide it for themselves. i'm not with you on the state and the feds doing it i think it can be done private sector i want to have this conversation with you. we appreciate you coming on the program tonight. >> my pleasure, bill. >> next on the program, lou dobbs on americans getting free healthcare as we discussed. is that a good thing? later gutfeld and mcguirk ♪ the joint is jumpin' ♪ it's really jumpin' osteo bi-flex® helps strengthen your joints.° like calcium supplements can help your bones, osteo bi-flex® can help your joints° so you can keep doing what you love. ♪ osteo bi-flex... the best stuff in the joint.™ osteo bi-flex is also available in joint & muscle and joint & bone formulas for extra support.

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