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documents inside the suspects vehicle that shows that the men seemed to have a travelex tense sievely to high-level security facilities around the united states. these suspects have been described as being muslims of french moroccan descent. that's what we know so far. we're told this is not a public safety threat but police have blocked off streets around the courthouse. we have more calls out, jon. as soon as we get more information. we'll bring it to you. back to you. jon: this is all happening in bexar county, san antonio, texas? >> that's correct. right here the courthouse which is a very historic building, jon. jon: that will be interesting one to watch. and we'll do so. rick folbaum, thanks. good answer morning to you, i'm jon scott. jenna: hi, everybody, i'm jenna lee. we're in the fox newsroom, "happening now." lots of developing stories and breaking news. we have fallout from fiery faceoff in las vegas. republican presidential candidates i guess you could call it the most contends should debate yet. jon: i think that is pretty accurate. >> herman cain's 9-9-9 tax plan providing plenty of sparks that is not at all. jon: perry accusing romney of hiring illegals at his home. here is some of that feisty exchange. take a listen. >> you hired illegals in your home and you knew for about it for a year. >> rick, i don't think i ever hired an illegal in my life. so i'm afraid, i'm looking forward to finding your facts on that. >> i'll tell you what the facts are, you -- >> i'm speaking. i'm speaking. are you just going to keep talking or let me finish what i have to say? jenna: our next guest writes, all that was missing from the debate was a surprise paternity test. you have that and you have a perfect day time talk show. chris stirewalt wrote that in his power play. he is our editor as fox news digital politics. chris, is this your call for jerry springer to be the next moderator? >> it was a little closer to the phil donahue. jenna: okay. >> there was no furniture being tossed around. there was nothing like that. basically anderson cooper from cnn was doing his best to try to play up every point of possible friction in the republican field and turn it into this kind of a dogfight that was up there. it was amazing to watch because it kept going and going and going. jenna: doug schoen, popular democratic pollster of course on fox news quite often, he said this morning the winner of this debate is the president, barack obama. do you agree or disagree? >> i think that's a good way to look at it. because, look, i don't think there is a problem for the republicans in having a divided polity. i don't think there is a problem for them there are romney people and perry people and cain people and gingrich people. i think that's fine. when republicans do that and fighting as democrats proved in 2008, making a stronger general election candidate. but in this and this is the important but. nobody looked particularly presidential last night. barack obama traveling country on the campaign trail with the great seal of the president and with all the trappings of power and talking about big issues and republicans are fighting over mitt romney's gardeners. that said, that seems small. jenna: one of the things you mentioned despite the back and forth and bickering you say last night might have saved the campaign of that man we saw on our screen, rick perry. why is that? >> because he looked like he wanted to be there. for his first debates governor perry seemed like he was sort of out of it or not interested in doing this, uninterested in this process. that made people potential supporters for him is this guy serious about it. he looked doggone serious. he came out and talking about policy points, talking about things he was interested in. made a good defense of his immigration policy looked credible and looked like he was part of the discussion. i think, make-or-break moment for perry i think he made. jenna: what do you think next time he does when mitt romney reaches out and touches him on the shoulder? i don't even do that to jon scott on the set. it was that look, you thought for a moment, i don't know. it was really something. you know, what really final quick question, chris, sometimes you look at google to see what's trending. when you look at google this morning on the trending topics there were three republican nails that were trending, mitt romney, ron paul and newt gingrich. rick perry wasn't among the trending topics that is again just anecdotal but what do you make of that? >> ron paul owns the internet it is his and his supporters go there in droves. newt gingrich continues to stand out in the debates. he is the wise uncle in this field. what he is trying to do seems like increasingly give them advice. stop bickering, stop fighting over small stuff, focus on large issues. gingrich continues to look likewise man of the republican party. jenna: other topics were cyclops, ice cream and random events having nothing to do with the republican debate. chris, always nice to have your perspective. thank you after quite a night. at the bottom of the hour, chris hosts power play live on foxnews.com. click on the link and he will talk jon: what are your questions about the republican field for president? america is asking and we have a on stage last night but he will bring us his answers. former new mexico governor gary johnson is here. still a little steamed he was excluded from the stage last night. he will be taking your questions. tell us what you want to know. get on the live chat. e-mail us. log on to foxnews.com foxnews.com,/happeningnow and look for the illuminated box right there. a fox news alert now. the u.s. is spearheading what appears to be a major offensive in eastern afghanistan against the feared haqqani terror network. the insurgents are believed responsible for some my profile attacks against our forces including last month's deadly 19 hour assault on the u.s. embassy in kabul. the joint operation with afghan soldiers follows months of escalating tensions between the u.s. and pakistan over a group of militants the u.s. says has the support of pakistan's spy agency. ely out of pakistan's tribal areas along the border with afghanistan. conner powell is dreaming live from for us. conner. >> reporter: particularly the southern part of afghanistan has decreased in kabul and eastern part of afghanistan where the haqqani network operates. u.s. military lawn of ad joint operation with the afghan soldiers to root out the haqqani network in the eastern part of afghanistan along the pakistani border. this is some of the most difficult terrain in all of afghanistan. it is hilly. it is mountainous and very few records. and the area where some of the most violent and strongest insurgents are based on the pakistani and afghan side of the border. military launched this because the haqqani network has done damage and to the governance and stability in afghanistan and kabul. the u.s. military and other afghan officials have said that the haqqani network is the veritable arm of the pakistani isi, the intelligence officials. now the pakistanis deny this but the u.s. has been pushing pakistan for a long time to go after the haqqani network and pakistanis just flatly refused. in pakistan this large buildup and military operation on the afghan side of the border has been getting a lot of public media attention. pab stan anies are -- pakistanis are portraying as u.s. invasion into pakistan. according to u.s. military commanders here on the ground they say the operations only happen on the afghan side of the border but they are going after the haqqani network. it is a top priority for u.s. commanders. general john allen the top u.s. commander in afghanistan said the operation will last for several months it. will be a top priority to go after the haqqani network to dismantle the haqqani network to provide security in kabul and eastern afghanistan. it is difficult, difficult task but one that has to be done in order to provide security here, jon. jon: we wish our troops well. coner powell live from afghanistan. thank you. jenna: rye ots in after athens and greece. they fired on crowds after they tried to break down the metal security barrier in parliament. this is a two day strike grounding flights and shops and schools. tens of thousands of people demonstrating ahead of a key vote ahead on pay cuts and tax hikes. ashley webster has been over in greece. he knows the story very well. he is joining us from the fox business network. ashley we keep talking about greece every other week. >> right. jenna: is time running out for them to get their finances in order? >> it has been and for some time, jenna, you're absolutely right. greek leaders say without another bailout of $11 billion they will literally run out of money within the next four weeks. in order to get that bailout money they have to prove to the eurozone that the country is taking the necessary steps to reduce its debt. that includes new tax hikes, salary cuts and suspending collective labor contracts. those issues will be voted on in greece's parliament tomorrow with greek leaders saying they have no choice but to accept the hardship. as you can see the anger continues to rise. we've seen hundreds of thousands of workers from dentists to doctors, from teachers to shop owners and even journalists walking off the job. we're seeing some of these protests turning violent. these people saying they simply can not make ends meet. if you impose more salary cuts and raise taxes then their situation becomes untenable. however, greece's finance minister says look, we know these austerity measures are very painful but if we don't pass them the country faces catastrophe. and the problem is greece simply has been living beyond its means for a number about of years now. they haven't been able to collect taxes. public sector salaries almost doubled over last 10 years. now they are having to pay the price. for the eurozone they're trying to decide how to settle this crisis, how to pay for this debt. they will, the e.u. finance ministers will be meeting in brussels on sunday. but it is going to be a hard road. by the way, jenna, the communist-backed union in greece is planning to encircle the parliament building tomorrow and say they will prevent lawmakers or try to prevent lawmakers from getting in that building tomorrow so they can't vote. it is getting particularly ugly. as you say this has been dragging on for months and months. jenna: the question what happens to the eurozone if greece defaults and what happens to us and the banks here with exposure over there lots of questions we don't have answers to today, ashley but a story we continue to watch. thank you. >> thank you. jon: we borrowed billions of dollars every year from china. that country is the largest foreign holder of our nearly $15 trillion in debt. so why at a time when we're running record deficits this country are we sending some of money back in foreign aid when china doesn't need it? jim angle live in washington. he has got the explanation for us. right, jim? >> reporter: yeah, jon. next week the house may take up a bill the senate passed to public niche china for what it calls currency manipulation. there is much simpler issue as you suggest. china is one of the biggest and fastest growing economies in the world. it has loaned the u.s. more than a trillion dollars to fund our deficits but we and other nations are still sending foreign aid to china which lawmakers of all stripes think is just plain nuts. >> why in the world would we be borrowing money and turn around and giving it back to the countries that we're borrowing it from? if they have enough of a surplus to loan us money they have enough of a surplus to take care of their own needs. >> in the crisis that we're in right now should we really be continuing to send the american taxpayer dollars over to china for these purposes? >> reporter: it isn't a lot of aid. 10 of millions in bilateral aid. much more through international institutions the u.s. contributes. the question is why a nation competing with the u.s. economically politically, in every corner of the globe should get any money from the u.s.? listen. >> it's absurd and maybe it's a good idea to start here by pointing out hey, here are some governments who govern over economies that are growing at double-digit rates for 30 years yet u.s. taxpayers, where we have 9%, 9.5% unemployment rate subsidizing to some extent those economies. it makes no sense. >> reporter: so congress is debating more complicated bills on china's trade policies. some are asking a simpler question, jon? why are we sending the money in the form of foreign aid in the first place. jon? jon: that is a very, very good question. jim angle of the, thank you. >> reporter: you bet. jenna: a beatdown of shia lebeauf, have you seen this video? hollywood star, transformers star, receiving flaty blows outside of a bar in canada. we'll have the scuffle and more video just ahead. jon: new questions about the disappearance of baby lisa's. why they're at the parents home. jenna: danger in a small ohio town. people are warned to stay indoors. police are hunting down wild animals escaped from a private reserve. the latest on efforts to corral them just ahead. [ female announcer ] so you think your kids are getting enough vegetables? yeah, maybe not. v8 v-fusion juice gives them a full serving of vegetables plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. v8. what's your number? rance it just tastes like fruit. companies you're just a policy. at aviva, we're bringing humanity back to insurance and putting people before policies. aviva life insurance and annuities. we are building insurance around you. jon: a fox news alert. and the solyndra situation is heating up with regards to arguments between congress, specifically the house of representatives, and the white house. the energy and commerce committee chairman and the oversight and investigations subcommittee chairman, both republicans we should mention, are telling the white to us produce some documents regarding the solyndra investigation, or regarding the solyndra situation. you might know that solyndra was that bankrupt solar company that received half a billion dollars in taxpayer money. president appeared there to tout the company and its products as part of his green jobs initiatives. well, all of that money is apparently down the tubes. congress is emtooing mad about it. they want documents from the white house and they're telling the white house to cough them up. we will keep on top of it. we'll let you know how that investigation proceeds. jenna: right now the president continuing his big jobs push today, speaking in virginia just a few moments ago but republicans say this bus tour is pure politics. here is senate minority leader mitch mcconnell on "special report" last night. >> he borrowed, he spent, and we've lost 1.5 million jobs since then. well the american people said that wasn't working. they changed the congress. now he is trying to do another stimulus. and we don't think that is going to create jobs. let me be quite specific. quit spending, quilt borrowing quit overregulating and get threatening to raise taxes. no government action, no government spending, borrowing or taxing is going to help us get out of this economic trough. jenna: we're joined by senator mark begich, a democrat from alaska. nice to have you back with us. >> thank you very much. always a pleasure. jenna: what do you make of senator mcconnell's comments there? >> you have to look at the record. i'm a new member. i came in 2009 when the month before i came in we were losing almost half a million jobs a month. and as you look where we've been since 09, over two million jobs created. some will say not as much as we wanted but it is in the positive category. the stock market is up 70% since 2009. you look at where the automobile industry is, which was on, basically their deathbed a year and a half ago. mitch mcconnell and some of the folks over there said don't waste anytime with them. let them go to bankruptcy. the net result is we took some positions. end result automobile industry now is growing. they're in positive territory. they're in positive growth. they're creating jobs. paying back their loans. they're doing everything one said they couldn't do. jenna: the question what is next? since we heard from senator mcconnell about what he thinks about the president, here is some sound from the president talking about the republicans and their behavior in congress. take a listen to this. >> yeah. >> do you want the plan to result in dirtier air and water for our kids and fewer people on health care and less accountability on wall street? or do we want to keep pushing a plan that puts more teachers in the classroom. >> yeah. >> more construction workers rebuilding our schools. >> yes. >> tax cuts for small business owners and working families. >> yeah. >> that's the choice that we face. i'll let you decide which plan is the real american jobs act. jenna: two sides there. the president out with those comments about the republicans. do you find the president's actions on a bus tour like this helpful in reaching compromise with those across the aisle from you, sir? >> well, i think we just have to continue push forward. the american people, when i go back home to alaska and i'm at the coffee shop or at the store or just meeting with folks in open town hall meetings the issue they tell me, figure out how to keep the economy moving and grow jobs. everyone will say their two bits out there. maybe hyperventilate one side or the other. real facts are clear, the jobs bill we have in front of us, i come from a household of educators. my parents are educators. my sisters are educators. there is no better investment to insure we insure that teachers stay on the job, teaching our young people to compete in this world economy. jenna: comes to how you pay for it. >> well --. jenna: i have a question after the break. i have to take a quick comercial. don't want to cut you off. >> sabs lieutenantly no problem. problem. jenna: we take a quick comercial and well be right back. >> absolutely, thank you. but i am a voter. so washington... before you even think about cutting my medicare and social security benefits... here's a number you should remember. 50 million. we are 50 million seniors who earned our benefits... and you will be hearing from us... today and on election day. ♪ jenna: welcome back, everyone. we're picking up on our conversation with senator mark begich, democrat from alaska. we're talking about this jobs bill, senator. part of this jobs bill, $35 billion bill is on the table this week in the senate. it will be used to prevent teachers and first-responders to be laid off. it will save 400,000 jobs. that is estimate. it will be paid for with a half a percent tax on those making more than a million dollars. republicans say that tax is a show stopper. how do you look to compromise bill? >> i don't get it. these people make $20,000 a week that we're talking about. just a small increase, not even to the point where they were during the clinton days. i mean less than that. it is half a percent of a percent. and i guess, we have to find some growth here. i know some on the other side say you will kill the job creators. the point i would make, these millionaires plus, who make $20,000 a week, got almost half a trillion dollars last 10 years. i don't know where those jobs are that they are supposed to be creating. so this is a small, shared sacrifice by all of us, to make sure we put teachers and first-responders, keep them working and making sure they're doing the job they need to do. we're asking for a very small shared responsibility by these people that make $20,000 a week. and, think about it. only 235,000 people nationwide we're talking about. jenna: that make over a million dollars, right? >> yeah. it is not a lot of people. when you look at all the polling data, even republicans who were polled on this, 56% of the republicans say this is a fair way to approach the revenue short falls we have in the federal government and good way to balance against paying for teachers, firefighters and police officers. jenna: some of your colleagues, some of your colleagues, democrats at that, say maybe they're willing to drop that to get the bill through. we'll see how it plays out next couple days. >> this is important. as a former mayor, i'll tell you, teachers, police, firefighters, other piece i will say quickly, that if we're able to help solve this problem it means less tax burden renn on property taxpayers back home. those are the ones pick up the bill when they hire police officers firefighters and teachers. we alleviate the property tax burden back home, bringing this type of legislation forward. that's a good deal. jenna: so you say. we'll see what happens, senator. always nice to have you. >> thank you very much. jon: there is new information on the search for baby lisa in missouri. investigators returning to her parents home in kansas city. this time they have a warrant that bars the parents from reentering the home until the investigation is complete. one officer telling the associated press that the parents of the missing 11-month-old girl are once again not cooperating. they haven't answered any of their questions in 10 days. coming up, in the next hour we'll speak live with the family's attorney, joe tacopina about the latest on the investigation and ask him why the parents aren't talking to police. iran of course is not friend of the united states. from its fiery rhetoric to its anti-american demonstrations. now there are new concerns about tehran's growing ties to countries right in our own backyard, and the threat that poses to our national security. we're going to be going in depth on that. also schools shut down as authorities search for wild animals now on the loose. how investigators think their owner died. some brand new information on the dangerous beasts still roaming free in ohio. >> i'm going to say the word mature, very big, aggressive. i don't know the age, you know. i'm sure from being here in the past, mr. thompson has brought all types of animals in here. we have dealt with this situation for a very long time and there have been all kinds of animals here of all ages. >> potentially to be dangerous and deadly? >> yes. high potential. high potential. these are wild animals, wild animals that you would see on tv in africa. i mean that's the way i look at it.er utrition. utrition. that's what they do with great grains cereal. they steam and bake the actual whole grain while the otr guy's flake is more processed. mmm. great grains. the whole whole grain cereal. jon: dozens of wild animals on the loose in small town america. school districts are shut down and people on the highways and roads warned to use extreme caution. it is a strange and sometimes scary situation. rick folbaum has more. >> reporter: really, is, jon. unbelievable story leading to a major public safety threat in zanesville, ohio. folks there being created with this sign. don't normally see this caution, exotic animals. this after a man who kept his own makeshift zoo on his property with large exotic animals, set all the animals free before police say he killed himself. we're talking somewhere around 50 animals in total. lions, wolves, cheetahs, tigers, giraffes, camels, bears. one local resident described his morning commute this way. >> we seen state highway patrols out here on 70. they had their guns drawn. when we got down here by 40 they had the road blocked wouldn't let people down through there. so that's, when i got home found out, i asked what was going on? they said that a bunch of those tigers and stuff was loose out through here. bears. >> the man responsible for you will of this, 61-year-old terry thompson. cages at his preserve were found opened. thompson, who was just released from prison after serving one year on federal weapons charges. police say that they have had to make several calls to that property over the last seven years or so. that thompson was a big problem for them. meantime their big problem now to make sure they accounted for all the animals who lived on the property. the sheriff says they believe there are only now three who are still on the loose, a grizzly bear, a mountain lion and a monkey. here is how the local sheriff described the scene. >> we had animals outside that fenced area along the road that were trying to get loose. i had deputies that had to shoot animals with their side arms at close range. that is how volatile this situation was. we are not talking about your normal, everyday house cat or dog. these are 300 pound bengal tigers we had to put down. >> reporter: he says they couldn't take the chance of trying to tranquilize the animals only them run into residential neighborhoods if the tranquilizer didn't put them down. that is why they had to kill them. the authorities calling in the famous zoologist jack hannah from the columbus zoo to help them get control. we'll have latest on the story next hour on. jon: unbelievable. that's all you can say. rick folbaum, thanks. jenna: fox news alert on another developing breaking story today. a terror investigation in texas. we have the scene for you in downtown san antonio. an attempted break-in at a courthouse triggering a bomb scare there. five men reportedly in custody described as french-moroccan muslims. we're trying to confirm that. the fbi saying they are questioning these men. jim forsyth is joining us on the phone. he is news director for 1200 woai news radio in san antonio. and, jim, tell us a little bit about this courthouse. is there any reason why this courthouse would be targeted? >> no. this is a old historic texas courthouse. it is 120 years old. like most courthouses it is filled with courtrooms and computers and office of county bureaucrats. the alarm came in 2:00 this morning. when sheriff's deputies got there, they found three men crawling around on the fourth floor of the courthouse. one of them told the fbi the reason he did it, quote, i wanted to get a better look at the city. when police arrested them, they went outside to an rv that they had left in front of the courthouse and inside the rv, that's what raised their suspicions because they found photographs of shopping malls, of water towers, of other government buildings, not the kind of thing you usually take pictures of when you're a tourist in another country. the fbi says these five men are french moroccan muslims. they arrived in the u.s. from heathrow airport. all of them are legally in the u.s. they have visas. right now officials are kind of downplaying any danger that these individuals might have presented. there are no weapons, no bombs found. drug, bomb-sniffing dogs came in and searched cut hours. the area was cordoned off for a while. they're leaning toward the idea this could be a bunch of kids. there were liquor bottles found in the rv. there may have been drinking involved before this happened. police are, the fbi and counterterrorism task force is very concerned about this right now looks like there might be a lot less to this than meets the eye. jenna: interesting. we'll continue to follow this. appreciate your insights. jim. thank you very much. jon? jon: there are some brand new concerns about iran and its growing ties to latin america especially on the heels of this busted-up terror from the -- plot authorities say they encountered which iranians tried to hire a mexican drug trafficker to assassinate the saudi ambassador in d.c. that's the accusation and federal prosecutor say they have the proof. for years iran's president, mahmoud ahmadinejad has been buddy buddy with venezuelan president hugo chavez. they were quote teaming up for a quote, new world order last year. it could present a new threat to our national security with latin america right in our own backyard. joining to us talk about it, bret stevens, foreign affairs columnist who has written about the this very thing for "the wall street journal." that plot sounded in some ways like something out of amateur hour. you write the real shocker by how shocked administration had been about it. >> hezbollah has been in latin america for decades. jon: terrorist group. >> it is proxy for iran. hezbollah in 1992 they carry ad attack on the israeli embassy in buenos aires. they killed 80 people on the attack on jewish cultural center in the same city. those attacks eminated from the triborder area between paraguay and argentina and brazil. more recently the sane of the action has been in venezuela where iran, there is strong evidence that iran has been using venezuelan facilities, port facilities, their banking system in order to circumvent sanctions. and there is a strong and growing presence of hezbollah operatives throughout all of south america. now there are suggestions and this recent plot suggested even more strongly, that they are on our southern border in mexico. jon: so when hillary clinton expressed some, i don't know, bemusement i guess, that iran would go to mexican narc cotraffickers to try to come up with some kind of a plot to kill the saudi arabian ambassador, not all that surprising to you? >> you know, what's surprising to me is how this administration has been discounting this threat for many years. you know, just last year, in 2010, a man by the name of nasser was arrested in tijuana by mexican authorities. he had been traveling in the middle east but what had really tipped off the mexicans but that he also had spent a lot of time in venezuela. the allegation is that mr. nasser was trying to set up a hezbollah network just south of the border. jon: last question. so when we see, you know, these immigrants streaming across the border from mexico, your fear is that not all of them are coming to pick crops? >> well, at least some small number of them, of might be connected with groups like hezbollah. and look, it's the natural access route when we're checking our borders, we're checking airports, where are you going to come from? are you going to come from where you're least likely to be seen seen? that is now south of the border. jon: easier to get them in that way than flying into jfk. >> exactly right. jon: could be very interesting stuff. jenna. jenna: very interesting indeed. a story we'll continue to watch there. we go to the economy now. americans owe more on student loans than they do on their credit cards. how about that? 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[ female announcer ] cascade complete pacs. love it or your money back. jenna: you might recognize him as the lead actor in the movie, "transformers". he is usually battling robots, things like that. actor shia lebeauf was in a different battle a few nights ago, rick? >> reporter: you could call it that, jenna. this is 25-year-old actor who had struggles, well-publicized struggles with alcohol in the past. we do not know if that played any role with what happened outside of a bar in vancouver, canada. a little altercation from "tmz" which shows the star being punched by a man, incidentally a man not wearing a shirt. don't know what the weather is like in vancouver these days. the man runs away from the scene. apparently he had been taunting the actor for a while. and after the attack, labeouf apparently tries to chase the guy down but his friend hold him back, hey, lay low. you don't want to do that. not too long after the at tack the actor was seen riding his bike around town listening to his ipod. labeouf is in canada making a movie with robert redford. ironically, the movie is called, the company you keep. obviously not keeping the best of company in vancouver, canada. back to you. >> life's little ironies. rick, thank you. jon: happening now, a colorado cat stays cool under pressure. zeus is the house cat who looks out the window one day and find his much larger wild cousin staring back and even taking a swipe at him as you see there. a sliding glass door is all that separates the two. this encounter captured in remarkable photos taken by zeus's owner. gale love space man joins us from bolder. you are working at computer. you heard a noise on the deck s that how it started? >> yes. something made me turn around and look. four feet away from me was this mountain lion. jon: you describe him as kind of a teenage mountain lion? >> yes. a little bit later on after he and zeus had their tetatet there, i was able to go to different location and realize there was another mountain lion that was much bigger actually than the one that you see in the pictures. and, the assumption is that was the mother of this adolescent mountain lion. jon: mom is taking her teenager out for a stroll. you hadn't seen, as i understand it, you hadn't seen mountain lions around your property, you're in the foothills around boulder they are there but you hadn't seen one before, right? >> that's right. i unfortunately had neighbors dogs eaten by mountain lions i know they're one but i haven't seen one. jon: what kind of sound was sues making this whole time? >> each of them was quiet. jon: really? >> the mountain lion in some of the pictures was hissing. but zeus doesn't say anything. jon: the reality you have a mountain lion sculpture in your yard and the teenager took a liking to it seems. >> i was amazed i always assumed because there is no smell to the sculpture that they would just ignore it but clearly the lion it visual smell and sound. jon: zeus is okay, right? you don't let zeus go out in the yard? >> that's act absolutely correct. jon: he probably would have been a snack for that mountain lion assuming the teenager was hungry. teenagers always are at least in my experience. >> that's true. there are golden eagles and bald eagles and foxes. all sorts of things that can eat my little boy. so they never go outside. jon: being from colorado i do love the wildlife. gave, good of you to share your pictures of it, you have quite a story to tell. >> it was good fun talking to you. jon: our regards to zeus. that is brave cart. jenna: that is good house cat that confronts a mountain lion good one to have. jon: i'm sure zeus was telling him off in his own kitty way. jenna: up next a battle in one state over dash-cam scanners? police call them really important crime fighting tools. not everyone is so happy about this new technology can be used. we'll be digging a little deeper. we want to hear from you. americans are asking a lot of questions about the 2012 republican campaign. who better to ask than a presidential candidate, how about that? governor gary johnson is here and we will take your questions. get them to us with our live chat. foxnews.com/happeningnow and twitter. we'll see you in three minutes daddy, come in the water! somebody didn't book with travelocity, with 24/7 customer support to help move them to theool daddy promised! look at me, i'm swimming! somebody, get her a pony! 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i'm jon scott. dozens of lions, tigers, cheetahs, grizzly bears and other wild animals among those that escaped from a preserve yesterday. officials say it looks like the owner set them free and killed himself. a lot of the animals have been put down. three are still on the loose. folks in the area are warned to stay indoors. jim harrison is the director of outreach for animals. he's been assisting with the search. he has taken time off to talk to us about what is going on. you have been predicting a longtime this kind of thing could have happen. >> i've been doing this 38 years, it's getting worse in the state of ohio for people buying the animals, selling these animals and keeping animals. jon: why, ohio? >> governor strickland had an executive order to ban the sale to just average people. it sound like common-sense, dangerous, exotic animals. governor casey came into office and dropped that. we have nothing right now. it's wide open for anybody to have anything and keep anything you want. jon: you were featured in a documentary "elephant in the living room" it's called. there was a pretty amazing opening scene where a 550 lion is out there on the freeway, right? >> yeah, it got loose from his owner, typical story. it's kind of like what we're having in zainesville right now but a smaller scale. through lions got lose with a male attacking motorists on the interstate. zainesville, this is right next to 70. we drove up to the situation. they had a sign on the interstate, dangerous, exotic animals, stay in your car, call 911. jon: we've got the sign up right now. a lot of our viewers might say, why do they have to shoot them? the police have put down more than 40 animals as far as we know, some of these bengal tigers and lions and so forth. what is your take on that? >> well, being a police officer too, and i teach for homeland security you've got to understand police officers aren't traeupd to handle this kind of situation. these animals should never have been there in the first place. you can buy a cobra but not buy common-sense. he never should have had the animals in the first place. if you shoot them with a tranquilizing agent it could take u a longtime for them to go to sleep. it's dangerous to tranquilize animals at some time. when they rush at you in an angry and aggressive manner, you've got to protect the public first and yourself. jon: is the late keeper, because he apparently he killed himself, is the keeper of these animals a guy you, yourself are familiar with? >> yes, i knew of this gentleman. we dealt with him over the years regarding other animals around his property. mount hope where they had dangerous exotic animal auctions in the state. you can have a hienna or any other kind of dangerous animal and walk right out witness. we've had run ins with him in the past. jon: what was his motivation for keeping them? >> i continue tell you. i don't know if he was breeding them, selling them, a collector, a hoarder. it started when people started watching these reality tv shows in 1995, it exploded. after 1995 reality tv, steve irwin, all these shows people started bringing the most dangerous features into their homes. i knew this. i asked them why did you bring this tiger into your home. bang, i watched that show and it's just that simple. jon: i know you're involved in the search. we'll let you get back to it. thank you. >> thanks for having me. jenna: from one zoo to another, right, when we look at some of the political coverage, right? get the inside track right here at america's election headquarters. you have several republican candidates sticking around in las vegas after last night's big presidential debate. we don't think they are gambling or playing the slots, they have an audience that some say could have been more important than the audience last night. chief political correspondent carl cameron is live to explain it. >> reporter: every time politicians whether they are republicans or democrats come to las vegas there are always jokes about politics in the casino. today it's more about the western republican conservative leadership council in the aftermath of last night's debate. we'll hear from rick perry, speaking to the group later today. a number of states from the west as well as territories. and after last night's debate mr. perry is the renewed and reinvigorated aggressor. last night he and mitt romney really went after one another on a whole host of issues. last night particularly romney initiated on illegal immigration -- perry initiated on mr. romney calling him to task for a story that first surfaced five years ago that mitt romney had hired a lawn care company that employed illegal aliens. listen to this. >> and mitt you lose all of your standing from my perspective because you hired illegals, in your home and you knew about it for a year, and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that your strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy. >> we went to the company and said look you can't have any illegals working on my property. i'm running for office for pete sake i haven't have illegals. >> reporter: they went back and forth several times during the evening. mitt romney had to shut down his rivals. herman cain's 999 plan took a lot of criticism, think his rifles called it a big tax increase. he denied many of the allegations. he said some of the surveys were false that said adding a sales tax is not economically or politically smart. it remains a close race. mitt romney, rick perry, and herman cain in a very tough battle that is only now going to get nastier. the cliche that the gloves are off is actually true. last night's las vegas debate means it's going to be increasingly toxic as the republicans try to take one another apart on issues of integrity, honesty. jon: a fierce privacy battle is brewing in massachusetts over a dash scanner used nationwide. it allows police to take pictures of license plates, thousands of them per hour. they can instantly check for warrants and outstanding traffic violations and store that information indefinitely. why is it so controversial? molly line, live in boston with the answers. >> reporter: there is an increasing chance if you hit the road that your ride will be caught on camera thanks to these automatic license plate readers. they read your license plate. as you mentioned, you know, it could be up to a thousand in a minute. that is what the devices are actually capable are. initially introduced as a counterterrorism tool in the wake of 911 law enforcement agencies across the country say they have crime-solve ability as well. but others fear a big brother surveillance of law abiding citizens. in new york city there are hundreds. these devices are in los angeles, major cities in the country. they are used to catch murder suspects, and here is lieutenant kelly tobin from the massachusetts police department. >> if you have a bank robbery we can read the license plates in the area where the car may be. it could solve a kidnapping, a whole host of crimes, major crimes. >> reporter: grant funding allowed dozens of communities to get this alpr technology this year in massachusetts, that's why they are getting a little bit of attention. it's the databasea aspect of this that civil libertarians have a problem with. what is done with the information? how long is it stored and how is it used? thaoer is the privacy rights coordinator for the american civil liberties union here in massachusetts. >> the problem we have with these machines is without very narrow limits imposed on their use they become yet another tracking tool, in fact a very powerful tracking tool that enables the police to find out potentially where you've been for the past five years, where you were this morning, you know, where you were 20 minutes ago. >> reporter: the database aspect of this is actually still a work in progress here in massachusetts. state officials are looking into how to govern the submissions that come in, the retention of the information, and law enforcement agencies nationwide say that they ease the fears of civil libertarians by restricting out date ace actually used. there is no central database at all in the united states butt u.k. has one and a wider web of similar cameras. jon: interesting stuff. molly line reporting from boston. thank you. jenna: happening right now in kansas city we know a search is on going in the home of little baby lisa. police got a warrant last night. the search is happening right now. the latest on that just in a moment. in the meantime, rick, you're watching all the action over at our web wall today. >> reporter: i am. we've got a couple of things we'd like to you do at the "happening now" home page, you go to foxnews.com and click on "happening now" and then when you get here if you stroll down today we've got a poll about last night's debate. who won the gop presidential debate? 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>> no, i mean that is not probable cause, that's for an arrest. for a warrant -- that's where the baby was last known to be. jenna: the kansas city police have said that lisa irwin's parents have stopped cooperating and talking to police as of october 8th. >> i've heard that. and honestly what i feel like staying is please stop whining and go find where lisa is. jenna: are you saying they are not doing a good enough job? >> i'm saying they shouldn't be focused with a press officer coming out with ridiculous statements. they've complied with every request, they've consented to every request. jenna: why the warrant again? so why the warrant? >> yesterday they submit towed additional hair and swab samples, because they requested hit it. they didn't compel them to do it. jenna: they were asked for hair samples there was no warrant. >> there was no warrant. they have complied with every request. when they say they are not cooperating it's infuriating. these people -- let's assume for a second, i believe one hundred percent in their innocence, let's assume these are grieving parents and nothing more, have nothing to do with the disappearance of their 11-month-old, how do you treat them like that without even just considering the possibility that they are grieving parents who have done nothing wrong except missing their little girl. jenna: that is a hypothetical situation that many are mentioning. it's always nice to talk to someone on set on this. it gives a different read on the story. you being their attorney that is a really big deal. if i was your client i'd want you right next to me right now, right there 24 hours a day why aren't you in kansas city right now? >> there is nothing for us to be doing there right now. i have local counsel and the ground there, doing what needs to be done. there is no process, certainly no court proceeding for me to be involved in. i speak with them several times a day and with the family. we are coordinating. i have people on the ground there. jenna: you're so sure of their innocence, i'm curious, how much time did you spend with them? >> i've been speaking with them for about a week and a half, ten, eleven days. my visceral reaction is incredibly strong to them. we've done things, had investigators there for almost two weeks. jenna: you are not involved just as of monday. megyn kelly did an interview with the parents, and the parents said they had no need for an attorney. are you saying they misled megyn kelly. >> no, no, no, i came in officially on monday at their request, because they were just getting run over. they were overwhelmed by the process. these are very simple, sweet people, intelligent but simple people who are being overwhelmed by this national attention. jenna: you said you had a visceral reaction. obviously your read on them is that they are innocence. >> it's more than that. jenna: do you have any evidence that corroborates her story? >> it's hard to prove a negative. i could say you stole my pen, and you'd say, no i didn't, how would you prove that? we have plenty of evidence that corroborates their story, and particularly deborah's story. plenty of evidence that corroborates it. there is more to it. we have experts down there that have turned the evidence over to the police department. when do you expect to be back in kansas city again? >> whenever i'm needed. when there is a process that requires me to be there. obviously my support is with them full time and i'll be back shortly. it's more than just showing up to show up. i don't want to do that and interfere with the focus that is to find lisa right now. jenna: let me ask you about the finding lisa part. different parts of the story have caught fire over the past several weeks. that is the process of what happens in the news. recently there are a lot of questions about the cell phones taken apparently on the night she disappeared as well. there have been questions about her parents not calling their missing cell phones right eye way. most of us if our cell phones are missing we call right away to figure out if somebody has it, did we leave it somewhere, is it ringing somewhere in the house. why didn't they make the cell phones. >> the cell phones were missing . the first thing they did was call 911 and call the police. >> how did they call 911 and not call their own cellphone. >> they went to a neighbor's house and had the fall effectuated. they told the police that immediately. understand this. they got to 911 immediately. can you imagine for a second the trauma and what is going through their head. they are in shear panic. deborah is trembling on the floor screaming. her 11-month-old baby is missing. people sometimes react in a way that they are not deliberately thinking things out. they got to the police immediately, the outcry was prompt. jenna: just to follow-up with that as well. in your mind you were critical of the police saying that they are issuing this warrant to search the house and they don't need it when they have full access and the family has been compromising with the police, at least agreeing to work with them. do you think the police aren't doing something that they should? where should we be looking next in this case? >> i'm not here to judge what they should or should not be doing. i'm not saying they are not doing a good job. the f.b.i. is also involved. it's some of the things they are doing. to go out there and have a spokesperson go on and suggest that they are not cooperating with the investigation is quite frankly misleading and outrage just. jenna: once and for all of our clients cooperating with police right now? >> i've asked them to tell us what i need. when i hear the list of what they need, they'll get it. we want answers, we want to find lis a. instead of getting on tv and making public pronouncements, why not get on tv and tell the public, including the victims and tell them where their daughter is. jenna: why do you think they asked for hair samples and the swabs. >> elimination. that's standard and normal. if they find stuff in the house like a hair they want to make sure they are not recovering a hair that they think could be the suspects and it turns out to be someone who should be in there, like the mother, father. jenna: good luck. everyone wants to find this little girl. thank you. jon: there are shocking new numbers just out on the cost of a college education and the amount of student debt that americans are carrying. what that means for future grads trying to enter the workforce on your bottom line as well. that is just ahead. plus, president obama's massive stimulus program, it was supposed to kick start the economy and create thousands of new green jobs. why this tennessee struck stop is the new poster child for runaway government spending, just ahead. 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[ bell dinging ] jon: right now some new developments to tell you about in a very strange story. the arrest of five foreign nationals accused of breaking into a texas courthouse. it sparked a bomb scare and a whole lot more. catherine herridge has been keeping an eye on that. she is joining us live from washington now. >> reporter: thank you, jon. i spent the last hour talking to two law enforcement officials tracking or monitoring this case in san antonio and what they confirm to me five individuals have been detained. the reason is not entirely clear to me at this point. the one individual described them as five men. one said it was four men and one woman. they are being detained by the local authorities in this case the san antonio authorities. they are being questioned at this hour. the fbi and jtt, joint terrorist task force is involved in this case. it was described routine because the five individuals are foreign nationals and jttf has that ability to check with immigrations and customs enforcement to look to the individual's travel pattern. whether they were here in the united states legally and whether their names may have appeared on some kind of watch list. one of the interesting details that struck me in my most recent conversation they are investigating whether alcohol played a role in this particular break-in. a single source told us there was evidence that individuals had photos from miami as well as new york. they could be construed as sort of surveillance photos or targeting photos but we haven't had that from a second source. we're looking at two possible scenarios playing out. one a more sinister scenario who these individuals are described as french moroccan muslims here in the united states and there may have been effort at targeting a scheme inside the united states though there are is no public evidence to support that at this point. the second scenario that they're foreign nationals here inside the united states. they had been drinking too much which led them to break into that courthouse in texas, jon. jon: like i said, it is a very strange story. >> reporter: very bizarre. jon: thank our viewers who pointed out to me that san antonio sits in bear county, i miss pronounced earlier. bexar. only in texas do they pronounce it bear. thanks to too many viewers to count who corrected me. thank you, catherine. >> reporter: you're welcome. jenna: it is honest mistake. fox news alert. amount of student loans taken out last year crossing the $100 billion amount for the first time ever. according to the college board full-time undergrads borrowed on average $5,000 on that same period. all of them borrowed on average that number about. what does that mean to the economy when we're working with that kind of debt to get an education. fox business lori rothman is working on the story. >> the numbers are staggering, jenna. americans owe more on students loans than they do on credit cards. the amount on loans as you mentioned one billion dollar mark. outstanding loans here, more than one trillion dollars. we're seeing more americans borrowing money to get advanced college degrees hoping to land a job. americans going back to school to get retrained in fields where there is demand for new workers. all of course against a backdrop of 9.1% unemployment. what is key here is that while outstanding student debt has doubled over the last five years, people actually reduced what they owe on home loans and credit cards. economists warn that trend may lead to another credit bubble in ballooning student debt. but the good news here, taxpayers and other lenders won't be on the hook for it because congress granted student lenders broad collection powers. in other words this debt can not be forgiven in bankruptcy. the losers here, jenna, are young people taking out these loans. economists say they're becoming so indebted they're delaying big important purchases in life, buying a car, buying a home, getting married, having kids. all of those things threatening the longer term broader economic growth in this country. jenna: very interesting. make one investment but pulls from other investments you're making in your life as well. lori, thank you. >> sure. jon: there are new concerns over your tax dollars at work. take a look at a truck stop in tennessee. it got nearly half a million dollars in federal stimulus money to build a new system that would allow drivers to plug into outlets to run their truck generators instead of idle didding their engines for hours on end. but now, that truck stop is bankrupt, potentially leaving taxpayers on the hook. jonathan serrie live in atlanta with a look at that one. jonathan? >> reporter: yeah, the epa has been providing stimulus funding to these truck stops to install green technology where truckers can pull up, plug in and sleep in their cabs without having to died dell their engines. well the tennessee department of transportation awarded one of these epa grants in excess of 400,000 to a truck stop in the city of dandridge. just months later, that truck stop is closed and all the new equipment boarded up. the state and the epa were apparently unaware that owner ricky lewis, had a history of legal and financial problems, and had filed for bankruptcy. >> what i am questioning is, vetting and oversight and fiduciary responsibility that the federal government, the people that run these programs have, to we the taxpayer. >> i think the industry as a whole will learn from that and hopefully will be not be repeated. >> mike field is president of idle air one of half dozen companies encouraging resting drivers to turn off their engines and plug into electrical power systems at truck stoops as this in georgia. >> our one offers heat and air and power and internet service and satellite tv. >> this company was not involved in the dandridge project, field says public investment can speed the deployment of technology that helps truckers reduce emissions. >> we want them to turn that engine off and save that fuel that we're dependent on from foreign sources and use american energy. >> reporter: american energy by plugging into the u.s. power grid instead of idling which burns on average a gallon of diesel per truck every hour that it is idling. that case in dandridge, tennessee, state transpour officials oars tdot says it was highly unusual case but it prompted them to improve screening of future grant applicants. jon. >> let's hope that doesn't happen anymore. we'll see. jonathan serrie in atlanta, thanks. >> reporter: certainly. jenna: a look overseas what is happening in greece and the images, well they speak for themselves. huge crowds clashing with police as demonstrations turn violent on the street of athens when lifelong benefits get taken away. look at this 12-year-old boy. he is charged with killing his 2-year-old brother. should he be traded as an adult for murder. we have the latest on this tragic story, next. jon: a fox news alert and a suspected tornado touches down in florida leaving a trail of destruction two miles long. the apparent twister hasn't been confirmed yet but it toughed down in plantation and moved north into sunrise. that is in broward county. last night twisting trees, tossing cars and damaging about two dozen homes all together. we'll have more on this developing story as we get it. look at that. jenna: we're now getting a better sense of the scene in eastern ohio after dozens of wild animals were let loose from sort of a makeshift zoo if you will. rick, what do we know about the numbers at this time? >> reporter: well we heard this morning that there are still three animals on the loose after a man apparently let dozens of large, aggressive, mature animals loose before committing suicide. and we've got some calls, 911 calls from lincoln county, this is the one next to the county where the farm is located. here's a sample of some of the 911 calls just coming into the newsroom, jenna. >> 911 what is your emergency? >> yeah, we just found out that there are animals loose down around this area. >> yep. >> i think i seen one of them. >> okay, what? do you know what it was? >> it was a, it was small. it looked like a jaguar or -- >> sheriff's office? >> yeah. i just found out there was animals loose around this area. >> you huh. >> i think i just seen one. looked like a jaguar or a wolf or something. in someone's yard. as soon as i opened the door it took off. >> reporter: about 50 animals in all were set free from this makeshift preserve. a mountain lion, a grizsy bear and a monkey are the only animals as far as we know, jenna, that are still running loose and they're trying to find them right now. jenna: still don't want to come face-to-face with them, right? we'll continue to watch the story, rick. thank you. jon: right now some new reaction to a controversial decision to try a 12 yield boy ---year-old boy as an adult in a murder case. investigators say cristian fernandez killed his 2-year-old brother while the two boys were alone. the difference between trying him as an adult and trying him as a child could have huge implications when it comes to sentencing. phil keating live in miami with details. phil? >> reporter: hi, jon, on any given year according to fbi statistics average 68 juveniles commit homicide. most of those treated and dealt with in the juvenile civil. every now and then it makes the news and we hear about it where a very young boy is charged as an adult. in this case cristian fernandez there are a lot of questions whether he intentionally truly tried to kill his 2-year-old brother or whether it was kids roughhousing and a horrible accident happened. a lot of questions about the mother's actions. as it stands right now this 12-year-old boy who weighs 140 pound is standing as the person charged with first-degree murder as an adult, making history as the youngest ever in jacksonville, florida. wearing inmate orange and handcuffs, 12-year-old cristian fernandez is facing trial for intentionally killing his 2-year-old brother, david and he is being prosecuted as an adult for first-degree murder. >> yes, i have compassion for cristian fernandez but it is not my job to forgive. it is my job to follow the law. >> reporter: the grand jury found cristian fernandez used premeditation on his brother shoving him so hard in the bookshelf twice that he caused a massive bleeding. the charge, homicide by blunt force trauma. allegedly he confessed. what created this international outrage and online petition signed by 200,000 people that prosecutors won't treat him as a juvenile. meaning this 12-year-old boy could spend the rest of his life in prison. according to the fbi, florida sends more children to adult prison than any other state, nearly 400 in 2009. fernandez's attorney hope as plea deal will keep this 12-year-old boy among other kids not convicted adults. >> juvenile courts were set up for juveniles. kids are different. >> reporter: negotiations have been ongoing for months now between the prosecutor and the defense team to possibly work out a plea deal which would keep fernandez in the juvenile system until he was 21. then have extensive monitoring to make sure he was not still a danger to society after that. but, those talks are not guaranteed. no trial date set for him. but his mother, she is 25 years old, she was in court yesterday. she now has a february 27th trial date. she is charged with felony child abuse and aggravated manslaughter of a child. detectives believe her laptop really works against her here. showing for several hours she searched around the internet before finally taking her 2-year-old to the hospital. a doctor there told cops he may have survived had he been taken there immediately. then of course, the 2-year-old wouldn't be dead and her 12-year-old would not be charged as an adult with murder. tragic story, jon. jon: that is the saddest part to hear. phil keating in miami, thanks. jenna: well early cancer screening, survivors say it really saved their lives. some experts though are now recommending we do less of it. we'll explain why. plus new developments in a horrific stage collapse in indiana this summer. more on that in just a moment. >> hey, everyone i'm megyn kelly. police and dogs are at the hole of baby lisa irwin now searching the grounds and a shed. why now? and what are they after? the man who has spent more time with lisa's parents than anyone since this whole thing began, bill stanton, joins me live on the set to react. mitt romney and rick perry going at it in last night's debate. today perry's folks are calling romney pet you lant. romney camp calling perry desperate. both camps are here. searching for released exotic animals and others. they brought in jack hanna to help. he is here live with thes rest. a congressman suggests that women will be raped if the president's jobs bill is not passed. has he gone too far. jenna: we'll start off with overseas in fact in greece. 14 police officers injured in clashing with protesters in central athens this after tough new government cuts prompt massive new demonstrations and a two-day general strike. you see things getting out of hand over there. grim update on story we're following. nationwide listeria outbreak starting out with can't hopes. cbc reporting 25 people are dead because of this. 120 sickened nationwide. amarillo, texas, plus announcing arrest of a unruly passenger forcing a southwest flight on the way to los angeles to make an emergency landing. the suspect facing several charges. none of the passengers or crew harmed. jon: well the doctor is in and maybe he can explain this one. there is new controversy over just-released cancer screening guidelines. many cancer survivors say early detection saved their lives so why are some experts advising less frequent checkups when it comes to cervical cancer? dr. marc siegel is a member of the fox news medical a-team. this recommendation comes from a doctor's group, right? >> u.s. preventative services task force, a group of primary care doctors, has done it again. last year they came out and said we're ordering too many mammograms. shouldn't be done in women over 40 until they're 50 then every other year. couple weeks ago they said no psa, profit state screening. latest they're saying cervical screening pap tests a life-saving tests and very cheap should only be done every three years. why are they saying that, jon? they're saying that doctors tend to overreact to the results. i don't like that line of thinking. in other words you get abnormal pap tests you can do a lot of things with it. you can repeat it. you don't have to automatically do a biopsy. there are plenty of abnormal pap tests that never end up being cervical cancer. jon: they're saying cure is worse than the disease or at least the follow-up to these abnormal results? >> exactly. but i would blame doctors who are afraid of lawsuits than i would blame the tests. i'll tell you why. we have 12,000 new cases of cervical cancer in the united states every year. that's half of what we used to have before we had pap tests. the 12,000 we do have now are women that don't get screened. i want to know the information. what i do with the information is really the issue, not the information itself. i want to know if a woman has an abnormal pap test. then i decide what to do with it. i don't automatically have to biopsy. jon: you think increasing space between pap tests is exactly the wrong way to go? >> exactly. it will lower the yield. another thing, maybe some women, if i'm doing a pap test i say it is normal, it's normal, it's normal go every two years. now i go to every three years. fine. when you set out a guideline like this it will be across the board adopted and we'll end up with much less positive outcomes. in other words we'll miss cancers now. that's what really worries me we'll miss cancers. jon: not being female i haven't had one obviously but i know it is not a real popular test for women to undergo. a lot are looking for reasons not to get their pap test. >> you're making a great point i'm not a gynecologist. when women could into screenings they're not just getting pap test but getting examination. i'm afraid women without the pap test may not come in at all. and other things might not be found. this is part of the general checkup. it should remain there. jon: all right, so you think the annual pap test a good thing. >> i think annual pap test a good thing. mammogram a good thing. i think psa is good thing. i think the doctor doing the test is the issue. jon: dr. marc siegel, thank you. >> thanks, jon. jenna: dramatic new development in the hunt for baby lisa. the fbi on the scene searching the parents home with shovels, dogs and more special equipment. why is that? 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