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Legitimate american secrets in the history of the republican. This hour, fox news investigates the investigators. Could somebody die . Yes, thats what my greatest concern is that we will not have the ability to protect our country or our allies because of some of the capabilities that have been revealed. On fox news reporting. The nsas secret war. This spring, general Keith Alexander, director of the National Security agency, retired. Its a sign of how controversial his tenure was that if you type his name into google, they will suggest you might want to try Keith Alexander lie. Now, its true theres plenty that is controversial and perhaps even worth censoring. But often it seems the talk about the agency has shed more heat than light. Thats why we wanted to talk to the people who were there. Those who know what happened. What we found may surprise you. But first, the latest on the story thats shocked the nation. It seemed like things couldnt get worse for the National Security agency after former employee Edward Snowden stole and then leaked a trove of americas most sensitive secrets a year ago. But things did get worse. A torrent of damaging stories. In august, its revealed the agency has broken privacy rules thousands of times. A few weeks later, the black budget is published showing the nsa pays u. S. Communication companies for access to their networks. In the fall, news the nsa has been taping the cell phone of Angela Merkel and other world leaders. In december, a judge rules collection of american phone records are almost certainly illegal. More news in march, the nsa has the capacity to listen in on phone conversations up to one month after they happen. We have vital news tonight. Then in april, another heartbreak for the nsa. A bug that can break through a users information and get at passwords, emails and credit card numbers. The nsa knew about the flaw for at least two years but kept it secret to gather intelligence. And then the final indignity. The reporters who smashed the nsa secrets across the worlds front pages were awarded journalisms highest honor. As you can see, were living in a time when the very meaning of National Security is uncertain. Weve got a crisis caused by a leaker and a subsequent fracturing of political consensus. Which is why we have decided to take an intensive look at the nsa. I sat down for long interviews with generals Keith Alexander and Michael Hayden, the two leaders of the nsa in the post9 11 era, a time when its motives have been questioned. I also talked to critics, people who think the nsa and its representatives have gone overboard, even committed crimes. But first, we begin with a location that few people without security clearance have ever seen. We go inside the nsa itself. This is the National Security operation center. It is a place where recently retired nsa director general Keith Alexander got his briefings. It is a top secret place in a private building in a very privet agency. This is where nsa learns so much about terrorism. It gives us the insights to see whats coming into our country. Connect the dots, stop the next 9 11. Suicide bombers and Gunmen Attack the independent Election Commission as well as an attack on the afghan Army Recruitment center. Alexander is briefed on the latest terrorist threats which his people will interpret and distribute to top officials and military leadership. One of the analysts is roger whose job is to decipher secret messages. What does it involve . It involves a lot of complex mathematics and advanced computing. The nsa is the nations largest employer of mathematicians, as well well as linguists, electrical engineers and many other technical positions. Inside, it often comes across as a nerds paradise. We need to be able to use our highperformance computing to attack them. Youre on the front lines here. We are. Every day we work on projects that we know were going to have an impact and provide intel conveniences to intelligence to american policymakers. Think about your time here. At the beginning, this place wasnt talked about. A lot of people didnt know where it was, what it did. At the end it was in the spotlight. I was hoping they would never know who i was. They would say, oh, that guy, whatever his name was. Today, we know what his name is. There was a time when anonymity was a part of the job, but it didnt work out that way for general alexander. His tenure was full of controversy which in fact hit a fever pitch just as he was ready to leave. Over the past year, Many Americans have questioned what the nsa is doing and how Keith Alexander defended it. You understand where the distrust comes from. Absolutely. And when you look at this, how do we express to the American People that the folks here at nsa, military and civilian, are here for one purpose, to defend this nation. We do some great things here and we dont talk about them. And im probably too conservative on that about not talking enough about what we do in the interest of ensuring the security of the nation. But tonight, general alexander is going to talk about it and so are his supporters and critics. Hear what they have to say because your safety may depend on it. On fox news reporting, the nsas secret war, whos the enemy . Is. A john deere dealer can teach tractors to anybody. [ don ] in the right hands, an imatch quickhitch could probably cure most of the worlds problems. [ male announcer ] thats how we run, and nothing runs like a deere. Visit your dealer or johndeere. Com 1family. As a im still not going toall the pmake it to mars,o visit. 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In 1919, yardley was put in charge of a new secret agency. Situated in a plainlooking Office Building in new york city. This precursor to todays nsa broke the codes of more than a dozen foreign countries, including some american allies. Yardley called it the black chamber. However secretary of state stemson shut it down. Reading, gentlemen dont read each others mail. Then came pearl harbor and america learned that what it didnt know could hurt it very much. Soon, the military was heavily involved in intercepting and de decrypting foreign intelligence. They had two separate organizations and then they combined after the war. So the Armed Forces Security agency. James bamford says the armynavy model wasnt working. Military was pulling against each other. So thats why they created the nsa in 1952. It had unusual beginnings. The cia and every other agency was created by congress through legislation. There were hearings, there were debates. It was open. The nsa didnt go through any of that. The nsa was created by a top secret memorandum. It was signed by president truman. The nsas activities were so secret that insiders joked its initials stood for no such agency. For a generation, the nsa operated behind the scenes. For instance, the nsa provided the first evidence of questionable soviet activity during the cuban missile crisis. A president has nothing to hide. Then, in the 1970s came the watergate scandal. And suddenly, americans wanted to know all about washingtons secret activities. This led to the Church Committee in 1975. Chaired by idaho senator frank church, it was charged with investigating the american Intelligence Community. The first time an nsa director, general lou allen, was dragged kicking and screaming to testify in a public venue about what his agency did. Matthew aid is an intelligence historian, an author of the history of the nsa. It never happened before that point and it literally required something close to a subpoena. Nsa had little to do with watergate. But it did come out that the agency had been secretly monitoring americans for decades. I shall resign. With the fallout of the watergate scandal as well as americas withdrawal from vietnam, distrust of the government and the military was at an alltime high. It was at just that moment that a young Keith Alexander married his High School Sweetheart and graduated from west point. I told her, were only going to stay in for five years. I mean, you joined the military in the postvietnam days when the military was not high on everybodys agenda. Morale was not great. When i got into the army, what i saw were the types of individuals that transformed the army from the ones in the 70s who would be there for 90s. It was a privilege and honor to be part of that. In response to the finding of the Church Committee, they passed fisa, the foreign Intelligence Surveillance act, which required the nsa get warrants from special fisa courts before it could perform certain surveillance within the u. S. The nsa adapted and moved on. Ironically the agencys lowest point up until then came a number of years later, precisely because of its greatest success, the fall of the soviet union. If you seek peace, tear down this wall. After the cold war ended, congress wanted what they called a peace dividend. So they cut nsas budget and nsa took money away from its research and development and put it into trying to keep operations up and running. Well, there were a lot of things going on at the same time. General Michael Hayden was director of the nsa from 1999 to 2005. I mean as the soviet union collapses and disintegrates, we have a technical revolution going on over here, and they both converged at a really inconvenient time for nsa. So after the fall of communism it took a hit. All i know, the infrastructure was no longer valid chlt declining budgets and thats pretty much where nsa was in the mid1990s and the late 1990s. We could not keep up with the volume, variety and velocity of modern communications. You say its deaf the signals that you want to listen to. If the nsa was deaf, a shock would soon come loud enough for everyone to hear. Hey okay. Im ready to come in now. Hello . Im trying my best. Seriously, im. Im serious. Request to come ashore. Geico. Saving people money on more than just car insurance. [ doorbell rings ] stall them. [ imitating monkey ] stop stalling. Cascade platinum fights cloudy residue 3 times better than the competing gel and helps keep your dishwasher sparkling. Cascade platinum. The attacks of september 11th shook america to its foundation and left the intelligence communicate w n 11th shook america to its foundation and left the intelligence communicate with some difficult questions to answer. How did it fail to connect the dots and in fact they had the dots . Two of the planes that hit the pentagon on september 11, they were living in san diego. And those guys actually made about half a dozen calls from san diego to an alqaeda safe house in yemen. Now, the alqaeda safe house in yemen was our target, and we were covering it. But based upon the technology and the law and policy at that time, it was impossible for us to determine that one end was in san diego. Facing a new kind of enemy in a battle space that now included telecommunications, a new kind of intelligence was needed. General hayden was nsa director at the time. They werent communicating on an isolated network. They were communicating on an integrated Global Telecommunications structure where their communications were comingled with your communications and mine. If you want nsa to do for us what it did for us in the cold war, its got to be over here in this data stream where your stuff and mine coexist with the bad guys stuff. Six weeks after the attacks of 9 11, president bush signed the patriot act. Among its provisions were more widespread surveillance, more sharing of information and greater executive power to fight terrorism. In the days, weeks and months after 9 11 did the Bush White House tell you to circumvent . No. What happened was, we had these things that weve already begun to talk about that we might be able to do. The president decided to authorize some of these activities. A statute cannot trump inherent constitutional authorities on the part of the president. So he was doing things beyond fisa as it was currently written. But the interpretation of the Justice Department and the interpretation more importantly for me and my lawyers was the president did indeed have that authority. Some people thought this aggressive approach went too far. Among them, was a new employee at the nsa, a Software Engineering specialist named thomas drake whose first day reporting on the job had, in fact, been 9 11. What happened in those short weeks after 9 11 is that the full power of nsa and others was now looking at the United States no differently than how it looks at other nations. We turned that vast power onto ourselves and engaged in vast electronic surveillance. Drake says he raised his concerns through official channels, speaking to nsa general council. And congressional intelligence committees, among others. But by 2005, he felt it had been to little effect. Then the nsa got a new director. Keith alexander, that former west point cadet had risen fast and gone four. Far. He was now a threestar general with a specialty in intelligence. His posting at the nsa, a chance to command in a new kind of war, was the culmination of his career. He just took this to a whole nother level. He decided to become an extraordinary defender of the surveillance state and expand it farther than even hayden imagined. Then a bombshell. The New York Times published an article in december 2005 revealing nsa activities. They are eavesdropping on thousands of people without any warrants and they were keeping it secret from the fisa court. So big that by 2007, the nsa officially ended the warrantless surveillance approach, the Surveillance Program would effectively continue but with the approval of the fisa court. As that story was unfolding, thomas drake decided he would take his case public. I made a decision in early 2006 to go to a reporter. He gave information on classified information he contends to a reporter from the Baltimore Sun and knew it was, at the least, a violation of policy. I knew by going to a reporter, i could be accused of worse. The fbi, investigating a number of nsa leaks, raided drakes home in november 2007. Youre served with a warrant, big loud knock on the door and a dozen agents. Your house is tossed. And they go through everything. As the feds continued their investigation into drake congress amended fisa in 2008, and in some cases limiting what the nsa could do. Then in 2009, a new president was inaugarted a lot of people voted for him because he wasnt bush. Yet, i have to say hes worse than bush. Two and a half years later, drake was arrested. He would be charged with ten felonies, five counts of willful intention of National Defense information, four counts of making false statements to the fbi and one count of obstructing justice. This is what happens when you dare speak truth to a higher power. He faced up to 35 years in prison. But as the case neared trial, the government agreed to drop all felony charges and drake pled guilty to one misdemeanor, for which he would serve a year of probation and 240 hours of community service. For the government to actually bring the evidence to court, it would have to declassify information that we felt was necessary for the security of the nation. And we erred on protecting the nation in that regard. His career in ruins, he found a job at this apple store in maryland. He held onto the hope that his story would inspire others to take up the fight. What drake couldnt have imagined is the outcome that he actually may have inspired, the public exposure of the nsas deepest secrets which sent the agency reeling. Ohoh, oh, oh, la, lala, lala, lala nanaa, nanananana some things just go together, like auto and home insurance. 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They could do this not with individual warrants. Instead, they could do this with authority that is just granted once a year. Gellman had been in contact with him for several months. The intriguing thing about this anonymous contact was even from the beginning it was plausible. Every time we asked a question, we got Something Back that sounded pretty good. Eventually, he revealed his identity to gellman as Edward Snowden, a 29yearold king inside nsa hawaii. Through a contractor. For a long time, i was talking to him about one story. And i received one document. But the prism story was only the beginning. Very shortly thereafter, i received many documents. So gellman kept writing. He had been working at nsa since 2009. In march 2013, snowden began working at security and defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton and lived in this house for a brief time. On may 20th, snowden told his boss that he needed to take time off to receive treatment for his epilepsy, but he actually boarded a flight to hong kong, taking his thumb drives containing hundreds of thousands of classified nsa documents with him. The nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. On june 9th, in this video, snowden revealed his identity to the world. The next day he was fired from his job, but it was too little, too late. He boarded a plane to moscow. He says he got stuck there. Snowden was eventually granted temporary asylum in russia. It expires in august. How did a 20somethingyearold high school dropout, contractor who had been bouncing around manage to get access to so much top secret material . In his job, he was trusted with taking specific data and putting it on a share point server in nsa hawaii. That trust was misplaced. With the nsas secrets out, a lot of their old claims didnt sound so good anymore. Many pointed to the congressional testimony of director of National Intelligence James Clapper who responded to a question from longtime nsa critic, democratic senator ron wyden. Does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions of hundreds of millions of americans . No, sir. It does not . Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect. But not wittingly. Some suggested that clapper should be tried for perjury because of his testimony up on capitol hill. Senator widen asked him a question that the senator knew he could not answer truthfully in Public Session without violating american law. Senator wyden already knows the answer. Every senator on that dais knows the answer. Why didnt he just have the courage to do it himself rather than trap a career public servant. We asked the senator about that hearing. He said, quote, i sent director clapper the question a day in advance so that he would be prepared for it. Neither he nor his staff asked me not to ask the question. I was certainly surprised to hear him give an untrue answer. His statement failed to address the accusation that his grilling of clapper was a deliberate setup. Edward snowden said there was no single moment he decided to do what he did, but said, quote, it was seeing a continuing litany of lies from senior officials to congress and therefore the American People, seeing someone in the position of James Clapper boldly lying to the public without representation, is the evidence of a subverted democracy. I would question the integrity of the individual who took all that stuff and went to a place that is not the bastion of Civil Liberties and privacy. I would give it to director clapper. The department of justice has charged snowden with espionage. As president , he is out of their reach in russia. Would you say hes a criminal . You i think it is for the courts to decide. My personal opinion is he has hurt this country significantly and i think he needs to come forward and face a trial. So youre not in the camp that says give him immunity and bring him back . Im in the camp that says justice, the american way. Snowden has engineered the greatest hemorrhaging of legitimate american secrets in the history of the republic. He used the word leaks, right . How bad was the leak . Was it a cup, was it a bucket, was it a barrel . In snowden case, he revealed the plumbing. Thats going to be a bill that were going to have to pay for a very long time. For tom drake, Edward Snowden represented redemption. We needed to have the debate and whether or not we can actually be this kind of society. Snowden had carefully studied what had happened to people before him who had tried to object to National Security policies or practices. And snowden did particularly admire tom drake and what drake didnt have and that snowden decided he needed was to provide documentary evidence of what he was saying to reporters. That would force the u. S. Government to take on the questions in a substantive way. And force the government, he did. Coming up, general alexander and his agency are dragged from the shadows of secrecy into the harsh light of public scrutiny. husband thats good to know. Ive got a todo list and five acres of fresh air. Top three tools hammer, screwdriver, front loader. Happiness is a driveover mower deck. A john deere dealer can teach tractors to anybody. [ don ] in the right hands, an imatch quickhitch could probably cure most of the worlds problems. [ male announcer ] thats how we run, and nothing runs like a deere. Visit your dealer or johndeere. Com 1family. To some, edward to some, Edward Snowdens actions were heroic, to others, villainous, but all agreed his deeds represented a massive security failure at the nsa. He offered to resign, and i gave it to the chairman, the secretary of defense and the dni and they took it to the white house and everybody said no. He still had the confidence of the white house, but congress was growing skeptical. Indeed, senator rand paul went so far as to file a lawsuit against the nsa for its bulk collection of data. We are filing suit in defense of the fourth amendment. Where does that stand now . Were in federal court. We havent had a ruling yet. Should you have to individualize the warrant . Fourth amendment says you have to put a name on it. They have to say mr. Smith, we think, is a terrorist, im just not fine with looking at all of americas data without an individual warrant for each item you want to look at. Alexander said the nsa isnt doing anything illegal, they cant listen to everyones phone calls and read everyones emails since they dont even have the capacity to do that. Do you believe him . Maybe. The hard part is we now have the head of intelligence, James Clapper, and perhaps alexander, lie about the program. So their credibility is seriously in doubt. It seems alexanders credibility was being questioned everywhere he went, including a public appearance at the black hat Cyber Security conference in july 2013. How do we do that . Because we stand for freedom. [ bleep ] [ inaudible ] why would we believe youre not lying to us . You were heckled there by the audience. How do you win over people like that . Well, i think we just got to give them the facts. I didnt lie to congress. One of the guys said you need to read the constitution. I have. I told him he should. Our mission is foreign intelligence and information assurance. We know who the bad guys are overseas. Our job is to identify the linkages in that data base. Its not to look at our peoples email or listen to their phone calls. While alexander found himself being taunted, Edward Snowden became a prized headliner on the speaking circuit. Why is it when individuals who are working for the Intelligence Community, senior officials, when they break the law, when they mislead the American People or break the infrastructure, why are they not held accountable . How does it feel after all these years of your Public Service to find yourself taunted by a skeptical public and yet Edward Snowden is a popular speaker on the circuit now . When americans get the fact and they realize theyve been duped and they see those facts and they see the damage thats been done to our allies and to us, this will all change. Lets actually talk about what nsa is really doing, not what some folks imagine it to be doing. There are times when i watch newscasts and say, if nsa were doing that, it wouldnt just violate the laws of the United States, it would violate the laws of physics. I just say lets make this a factbased debate. One of the facts that much of the debate is based on is just how successful are these controversial nsa programs. These programs are immensely valuable for protecting our nation and securing the security of our allies. At this point, i think nobody believes any terrorist plot was thwarted by this program. When people are skeptical, people like senator rand paul of terroristrelated activities that have been broken up, what do you say . Come up to them and say senator paul and meet the people whove done that work. If president elect obama could have canceled a program originated by his predecessor, he had every political motivation to do that. President obama once briefed on these programs, decided to keep them. What does that tell you . General alexander testified of terrorrelated events that were stopped. People said, okay, what does that mean. Theres another way of asking the questions. Thats how many successful attacks have there been since 9 11. And the answer is none that have been successful that have been foreignbased. I dont think the fact that weve been safe is there. But the debate is not just about safety. Its also about how far can the nsa go to achieve its goals. I think there are patriotic people trying to protect the country. But the thing is if i tell you and name you the head of some agency and say protect the country. Your job isnt, oh, i have to balance that with the bill of rights. You cant quite do it once we have someone to check your power. So someone has to watch you. Senator paul has hit on the age old question, so old they talked about it in ancient rome, who will watch the watchers. And as well see, since Edward Snowden, a lot of people are making suggestions regarding that question. 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And yet, theres someone around the office who hasnt had a Performance Review in a while. Someone whose poor performance is slowing down the entire organization. Im looking at you phone company dsl. Check your speed. See how fast your internet can be. Switch now and add voice and tv for 34. 90. Comcast business built for business. After the snowden after the Edward Snowden revelations, criticism and even condemnation of the nsa was widespread. It was clear that a day of reckoning was at hand. Ed snowden let the American People know they were being spied on by their government. There is no transparency, no effort to have real accountability. The claims are even fraudulent. American people are getting conned by this nsa. Former u. S. Representative Dennis Kucinich does not mince words. The nsa has launched an illegal constitutional act on americans right to privacy. If youre a proud american, and i am, i say it is time to stand up for who we are as americans and get rid of the nsa and send a message to any other agency you spy on the American People, youre out of business. While few politicians were willing to go as far as Dennis Kucinich, there was no doubt major reform was in the air, which was why all eyes were on president obama when he made a speech on reform at the Justice Department on january 17th. Regardless of how we got here, though, the task before us now is greater than simply repairing the damage done to our operations or preventing more disclosures from taking place in the future. For our Intelligence Community to be effective over the long haul we must maintain the trust of the American People and people around the world. In the central change under his plan, the nsa would no longer store americans bulk phone data. Instead, it would be held by the phone companies or a third party. He also recommended placing a public advocate on the fisa court and limiting the number of hops the nsa could make. That is, following phone calls from one caller to the next, from three to two. Senator rand paul, who may be running for president in 2016 has his own ideas. Lets say senator paul becomes president paul. What does the nsa look like under a Paul Administration . We would still have the nsa, we would still have the cia and the fbi and we would try to obey the constitution. You know, if somebody is putting a bomb out there we have an immediate threat for all of this. But 99 of the time you would call a judge and say john smith we believe is a terrorist. We have this evidence. He has been talking to sam smith in iraq, will you give us permission to look at his phone calls. Then we get the hundred people he has called. And get the terrorists before something happens . There are always exemptions for imminent danger. But by preventing it, you stop somebody who doesnt like jews or the japanese or doesnt like black people or doesnt like republicans or democrats you prevent the horrible abuse. And these have happened in our past. So potential abuse of power, when too much power is collected in one area without oversight. Now, were giving you an unclassified version of these. Do you think reform of the nsa is a good idea or more a political necessary . Im for reform if there is something that were going to improve. So i would just ask you which part are you going to improve . That they have stopped all of those terrorist attacks and our country has been safe . Sounds like youre leaning towards political necessary. I am, you know if somebody said it would really help if you wore a white shirt and we would feel more comfortable that you wore a white shirt. And my frent comment is okay, ill wear a white shirt if it makes you happy. They have limited their ability to collect phone records. If you say no, here is the risk and threats coming at us. So with all the talk of impending change have things come full circle back to the days before world war ii . Do you see days where secretary stemson has shut down the black chamber because gentlemen dont read each others mails, to todays concerns about privacy . I think that is an excellent point. I am concerned about that. But i think logic will prevail here. Lets get the facts here. Im outside of washington, i think the politics have become too divisive for the great of our nation. This is a great country, these are great people. We ought to step up and say so how do we take this forward and do the right things for our nation instead of beating the snot out of each other. Were going to have to be more transparent with the American People. We get it. We understand. What the American People have to understand, that that transparency were going to give them to make them more comfortable is also as surely as night fall as day, going to make them less safe. The Intel Community is okay with it as long as we all understand that. There is a lot of debate going on over what is the purpose of government. But almost everyone agrees one of governments central reasons for existence is to keep its citizens safe. The question is, how far should it go in that quest . Because no matter what you want our federal agencies to do or not do, someone somewhere has to figure out where to draw the line. Too much security can lead to less freedom. Too much secrecy can lead to corruption. But not enough preparedness could lead to another 9 11. Reform seems to be in the cards for the nsa. It is likely the government and the new director will choose a new path for the agency. Here is hoping they choose well. Thank you for joining us. And good night. With a brandnew one. 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