Were hearing about a hero behind a jewelry heist. 81yearold who took on two robbers by himself. It shows the thieves smashing jewelry cases and thats when chuck sprang into action. What was going through your head . Nothing laughter just stop them. And fear didnt come into me, it just happened. I just tried to protect what belongs to me. He did not hesitate. Fortunately, the owner was not hurt, but the thieves did manage to get away with a couple of watches. Hopefully they get caught, jon and hopefully bad karma. Got the good video and hope they get those guys. Chuck deserves our help. Thank you for joining us today. America live starts right n n now. Fox news alert on a busy afternoon and a new twist in an increasingly ugly war between the white house and veteran Washington Post reporter bob woodward. Welcome to america live im megyn kelly. Lets get you up to speed quickly. This fight started when mr. Woodward appeared on Fox News Sunday two weeks ago challenging the administrations narrative on the budget negotiations to head off the automatic spending changes, you know, theyre going to decrease the amount of increased spending were going to have and this caused consternation in washington. While the white house repeatedly insisted the republicans were to blame for that plan entirely mr. Woodward pointed out that this idea in fact originated with the president and his team and president obama said specifically in a debate with mitt romney that the republicans came up with this. Woodward came out and said, thats absolutely false. When i was researching my book, my book months ago, all access pass to the white house, it was confirmed by many sources that this is the white houses brainchild. And now, jay carney, white house spokesman admitted that despite at that reporting the administration continues the charge against woodward. And issued dire warnings that the toll that all of this sequestration as its known will take on our economy and blaming the republicans every step of the way. They voted for it, too, by the way. Yesterday, bob woodward again called the president s decision not to deploy an Aircraft Carrier due to the socalled cuts, a kind of madness. This is woodward criticizing the white house again. Hours later, more fuel on the fire when mr. Woodward accused of white house of threatening him for challenging the president s version of events. Here he is on cnn. Well, theyre not happy at all and some people kind of, you know, said look, we dont see eye to eye on this. They never said though, that this is factually wrong and that this is said to me in an email by a top and it was, it was said very clearly, you will regret doing this. And it makes me very uncomfortable to have the white house telling reporters, youre going to regret doing something that you believe in. Megyn well, the white house says, it denies that any threat was ever made, arguing woodward misinterpreted that email and on and on it goes. Chris stirewalt is our fox news digital editor, and host of power play dotcom com live. We know who bob woodward says, Gene Sperling. The head of the economic advisors and out front and center for the president during this whole fight automatic decrease to the automatic increase to spending. Megyn and the white house says woodward was threatened releases the entire email, i dont know if its the entire, but releases the email in which the alleged threat is made so now we have it and its amazing to see the folks rushing to defend the white house and by the folks, i mean the press rushing to defend the white house, but i will say this is, this is what, how the letter reads in part the email from Gene Sperling to boob woodward february 22. Politicalco. I advise for raising my voice in our conversation today you may not believe this, but as a friend i think you will regret staking out that claim suggesting that the president has moved the goal post in this whole negotiation, not to argue on, he said, but my sincere advice. Its your call, my apologies again about raising my voice, do feel bad about that. Megyn and woodward writes back in the white houses defense woodward says you do not ever have to apologize to me, you get wound up because youre making your points and you believe in them and goes on to say, i welcome your listening. Ce. So, they are ticked off at the white house that he went out and he says they threatened him. He and others who have covered the white house seem to believe though that this is a pattern of behavior by those at the white house. Oh, my gosh. Well, yes, of course it is. Theres a news channel, you may have heard, the fox news channel. Megyn oh, yeah. A pretty big deal, early in the president S Administration they tried to read us out of the press corps, they went on a deliberate explicit campaign that the president keeps up to this day to try to cull us from the press herd and make sure that we are delegitimized in some way. They have done this to reporters from the washington examiner, they have done this to reporters from San Francisco chronicle, boston herald, this is a pattern that this white house is engaged in. Now, mr. Woodward, who has been sort of the billy graham of washington journalists, a counsel to each president since gerald ford since she took down richard nixon, ever president has granted him access. Megyn better to have him on your side. Right, better to have him on your side. So when he considers a threat after getting a lot of kid glove treatment for 30 years is probably different, i would feel bad for him if he saw what was in the inboxes of some white house reporters, that was far less gentle in its reproof than mr. Sperling offered. Megyn he in the wake of all this, lanny davis, a Fox News Contributor sometimes writes for the washington times, says i have been threatened to the white house, too, and i called up the white house and tell them you better not let this happen again, its inappropriate. And ronnie offer the journal and was the chief and now back to daily reporting, saying hes been abused by the white house, intimidation abbitactics vulgarity, abusive language and virtually the fame phrases that woodward says were used to him, youre going to regret this, badgering and got to the point just now he cut off his own Senior White House Administration official source because he said, i just disapprove of the way they deal with reporters and im a seasoned reporter, but a younger reporter might be intimidated by them and on principle im shutting that down. The president s operation is notoriously a boys club and that locker room attitude, the bullying way that they have, my gosh, David Plouffe, a very high ranking official, senior advise to the president , my gosh, out basically taunting woodward, calling him old, more or less, and saying he is like an old baseball player cant hit the pitchers of today. Megyn lets put it up so you know what. And David Plouffe. Batching woodward is like watching my idol. A philadelphia philly who is very good. Megyn facing live pitching again, perfection in game one is rarely repeated. Go ahead. Mean, just mean. And this is something that people arent used to. Certainly bob woodward is not used to that kind of treatment and people in the White House Press corps to that treatment, but guess what . Team obama doesnt care. Woodward and company believe that the president wants to do a deal or wants to have Good Relationship with the press. He does not seem to want to do a deal with republicans on spending and does not seem to want a Good Relationship with the press and theyre going to have to lump it like weve been doing for the last five years. Megyn welcome to our world. Exactly, welcome aboard. Megyn all right, chris, thank you. You bet. Megyn while the white house denies any attempt to silence woodward Administration Media allies on the left have spent the last 24 hours beatings up on a man who helped to inspire journalism careers. The huffington post, drama king, woodward cries foul, runs to hannity and the reason they have that up there is because bob woodward, prior to any of the events that happened yesterday, had agreed to an interview with our own sean hannity and hes been on cnn, sat down with politico. Make it sound like hes running to a conservative guy for an interview. And this is long scheduled and he sat down with several media outlets, in any event. Lets move on and going to be on tonight. Tune in at 9 p. M. And headline, woodward goes wingnut. And from legend to laughingstock. Bob woodward cites bogus threats, calls obama knicks own i nixonen and between obama and former president richard nixon, and the relationship with the media. And the National Journal, the reason that senior white house source gave him such a hard time and used the vulgar language so on so forth to the point where the reporter cut off his own relationship with the white house, sick of the abuse, he says. In our next hour, we will have former president george w. Bushs former white house secretary, a woman you know by the name of dana perino about what is going on between the white house and its relationship with the press and whether they have gone too far, whether this has been taken a step too far. Dont miss that. Developing right now, deepening suspicions of foul play in the mysterious death of a rising political star in mississippi. The body of democratic mayoral candidate near a levee on the mississippi river. Looking into whether this suspected crime was personal or political. Trace gallagher has the story from our breaking news desk. Reporter by all accounts 34yearold was becoming influential, and ebony magazine named him as one of up and comers. Truly the first gay man for a viable Public Office in mississippi history. The whole thing began when his car involved in a two car crash. The problem was, he was not in the car and a search began and 30 miles from where his car was found, deputies found his body in the woods near the banks of the mississippi river. Police will not release anything about the cause of death, saying that an autopsy is underway. But they are ruling this homicide, but theyre not ruling it a hate crime. Listen to police. The Sheriffs Office does have a person of interest in custody in relation to the case. Due to the fact that it is an ongoing investigation, any information in regard to the individuals name will be released at a later time. Also, will not say the man driving the car was a person of interest. And mississippi wellknown to blues fan where Robert Johnson is said to have sold his soul to the devil for guitar skills. And right now, theyre releasing zero about that man. Megyn all right. Trace, thanks. After days of warnings about a budget move that could weaken americas economy, hurt our military readiness, leave thousands of teachers without a job, could leave you without a firefighter to come put your fire out at your house, president obama last night seemed to be striking a very different message on the expected impact of this socalled sequester of these decreases to the increase in spending were going to see this year. Were going to debate why he did that. And at 2 p. M. Eastern, one of the most popular religions on the planet will be without a leader for a time. Well go live to the vatican as we begin seeing the next step in the process of picking a new pope, a historic day. And president clintons welfare reform was considered one of his most successful pieces of legislation. Today well debate why our Current Administration is trying to repeal part of the plan in part, this is how the critics phrased it, that requires work for the benefits. Now, the administration has a different story on this, lou dobbs is going to update us and well walk through it next. Thats the way you do dad, id put that down. Ah. 4g, huh . Verizon 4g lte. 700 megahertz spectrum, endtoend, pure lte build. The most consistent speeds indoors or out. And, obviously, astonishing throughput. Obviously. You know how fast our home wifi is . Yeah. This is basically just asast. Oh. And verizons got more fast lte coverage than all other networks combined. Its better. Yes. Oh, why didnt you just say that . Huh what is he doing . All right thats a fifthfloor probleok. Not in my house ha ha ha ha ha ha no no no not today ha ha ha ha ha ha jimmy how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico . Happier than Dikembe Mutumbo blocking a shot. Get happy. Get geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Well, new concerns today that the Obama Administration will reverse part of the welfare reform law that was a cornerstone of president clintons efforts in the 1990s, a House Committee holding a hearing on the push to waive the work requirement for some welfare recipients, theres more to that story so well get into it in a second. Last summer the Obama Administration did so in part and it became a big deal in the president ial campaign. And its in dispute. Lou dobbs is the host of the lou dobbs show. The republicans made a big deal about it and the administration pushed back were just allowing states the flexibility they are asking us to give them to decide what qualifies as work or doesnt. If a mother wants to go back and get an advanced degree that would help her job prospects, it may qualify or the compassion and the leadership of the Obama Administration, the problem is its against the law. The republicans went to the General Accountability Office and asked for a ruling on this, whether or not this is a regulation and therefore subject to the oversight of the United States congress. Megyn did they have to come to us, the folks in the house, and get per manipulation. Absolutely, the little thing like the law and said so, republicans sent off a note to hhs, Kathleen Sebelius and the secretary says explain what in the world to say why do you think you would have unilateral authority to change the law, and never heard and since september and now they think its probably time to bring this to a conclusion and resolution and why there are the hearings. I dont for the life of me understand how there could be a question. Can i read you the heading of section 407 of the law . Because its pretty straight forward. Ill read you the title, if i may, megyn. Megyn okay. Its called mandatory work requirements. I dont often see in any statute or law a straight forward statement of intent and the effect of the law. Megyn in other words, mandatory work requirements. There isnt any wiggle room in that whatsoever. Megyn i will tell you this, when this debate came up over the summer we had the guy who used to run new yorks program on the show and this guy, if memory serves is a liberal democrat and he said they are odds are pretty good. Megyn he said they are gutting the program and taking the work requirement out and thats a fair charge by the republicans. He doesnt think that the flexibility will really amount to real work and that people are going to game the system and others have said this, that people are going to game the system under the new flexible rules to get welfare without working. The patience of the Republican Party and the National Liberal media, by the way, theyre nothing more than lap dogs now than watch dogs. This should have been a subject that was absolutely, front and center in the campaign. Mitt romney chose not to do so. Megyn well, he tried or the rnc tried, one of them did. Well, they also lost so the republicans need something besides losers, and to let this go on, to fester this long without a statement, without a declaration and an appeal, a campaign, if you will, to the American People on the importance of the constitution, because thiS Administration has made a clear, it will work around as the president is fond of saying, the congress, the ogres that they are, and he will take his enlightenment and his intent and make it so, independently, unilaterally and without sanction by the congress or the constitution. Its got to stop. This is one of those instances, like refusal to enforce the immigration code, he didnt like it, if we dont like it, change it, but do not behave as if this is some sort of a third world country in which whoever survives the most recent contest is the leader, the dear leader because its not the way that an american president should be acting, nor the loyal opposition for that matter. Megyn a couple of issues, number one, the president in your view flouting the law and criticized for criticizing the defense of marriage act which youre supposed to do, and the federal government is supposed to were going to talk about that in the next block. I want to say this, the other thing about welfare quickly hook at this graph, it shows what president clinton did and this congress, bipartisan effort, works. Look at this, the number of people getting welfare up near 16 million prior to when we passed the welfare reform act and look how dramatically it dropped and how relatively low its stayed since. There are stakes involved substantively in doing this. Getting a program that works. The aid to dependent families with dependent children did not work. It was and they replaced it in 2006 and replaced it with assistance to needy families. It works, leave them alone. Theres principle involved, ideology involved, but it returns people to a productive role in society. Megyn theyre claiming theyre not messing with it that much and giving the states what would you like me to get you a list. Megyn youre lucky i let you read the header. Its over, thanks, lou. Check out lou on first base network. And what freedom means, a man trying to live like early americans and runs into modern day regulations. Why this North Carolina mountain man says the government is trying to change the way he lives on his own land. This is supposed to be the land of the free and government is supposed to help people, but take their individual liberties and freedom . Thats not whats happening here, so im thinking, my gosh, this is the country that i pledge allegiance to every day . E they dont take it with food. Switch to citracal maximum plus d. Its the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. My doctor recommends citracal maximum. Its all about absorption. [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat . Campbells healthy request soup lets you hear it. In your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. Great taste. Mmm. [ male announcer ] sounds good. Its amazing what soup can do. Well, a new effort underway by dozens of prominent conservatives to throw support behind marriage equality. Gay marriage. Four members and a top president ial advisor all signing on to agree at the Supreme Court. Justice for justices hear a same sex marriage cause out of california. And nicole wallace, and a great to see you here. Thanks for having me. Megyn meg whitman and a National Security advisor, Ileana Roslehtinen and you, people dont normally social gay marriage as a republicanbacked issue, why did you and other Top Republican sign on for it. I think weve been quiet about it, but the truly conservative position is that families create the most stable Building Blocks for neighborhoods and societies and that any family, think two people who love each other and who are raising children, who are married, improve and benefit society by being able to do so. Thats the more conservative view here. The argument against it in part. Legally they say, look, you dont change tconstitution to fit evolving standards in the country. If the Founding Fathers thought this is what the conservatives argue, we need to protect abortion, that would have been in there, we need to protect gay marriage and would have been in there and you cant develop, find new rights over the course of history. Youre right and youre the lawyer here so im not going to outlawyer you on this one. Megyn thats not my position, im not saying youve argued, too, that a lot of the freedoms that we now enjoy were not written in the constitution, women didnt get to vote until an embarrassingly recent point in history. And interracial marriages were not allowed. And freedoms take longer sometimes to emerge from our interpretation of the constitution. And thats a more leftleaning point of view. Not leftleaning. Megyn living, breathing constitution. And ted olson is a conservative legal scholar and there are a lot of republican legal minds who signed our names on this brief and 14 times the Supreme Court has held marriage as a fundamental right, its the view that will prevail legally when the courts look at it. Megyn they were the once that were required to get involved. It used to be illegal for a black person to marry a white person in this and Judicial Intervention to get past that point. And the principle concern being and ties it together and shows that the pursuit of freedom and the explicit right to freedom and access to freedom is in that constitutional document. Ted olson, by the way, the former solicitor general under president bush and lost his wife in 9 11 and hes leading the charge in this california case. And quickly let me ask you politically, thats your legal. Right. Megyn politics you know. Do you think that this will help the Republican Party win back some voters that theyve been struggling to get . I think it will help people see us as a party, you talk about things that are living and breathing and evolving, our party is that and i think this process of evolving is an important one, a healthy one and i think to see republicans debating and i think were having a pretty intellectual debate about this issue, its not an emotional or a nasty one, were debating different theories and i think thats very good for the party, its good for the country to see our party hashing our way, even if its messy at points through some of the complicated issues. Megyn great to see you. Thanks for having me. Megyn thanks for being here. We could see a major shift in the president s warnings about the spending changes that are supposed to kick in tomorrow. Here is just a little bit of what we have been hearing. Sequester will weaken americas economic recovery. It will weaken our military readiness. Air traffic contollers and Airport Security will see cutbacks. Tens of thousands of parents will scramble to find health care for their kids. Megyn last night the president gave a group of Business Leaders a different sounding assessment. Why did he do that . Thats next. And at 2 p. M. Eastern, the Catholic Church will be technically without a leader for a time. Well go live to the vatican as we begin seeing the next step in the process of picking a new pope. History happens in 30 minutes, folks. And a major lotto win being contested by a bevy of beauticians. Look the at these ladies. They aone of their coworkers is trying to style herself as the sole winner even though they were supposed to have split the winnings. They say its a group ticket. Bring your best hair and pull up a chair because the scissors come out today in kellys court. Thats why theres glucerna hunger smart shakes. They have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. A smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. Im up next, but now im sging the heartburn blues. Hold on, prilosec isnt for fast relief. Cue up alkaseltzer. It stops heartburn fast. Oh what a relief it is will weaken americas economic recovery. It will weaken our military readiness. Air traffic contollers, Airport Security will see cutbacks and that could cause delays at airports across the country. Tens of thousands of parents will have to scramble to find child care for their kids. Emergency responders like the ones who are here today. Their ability to help communities respond to and recover from disasters will be degraded. Federal prosecutors will have to close cases and let criminals go. Thousands of teachers and educators will be laid off. Megyn thats a sample of some of what weve heard from president obama these days and putting out a long list of warnings what he says will be the impact of these spending changes that are due to begin tomorrow. They take mace ovplace over the course of five years, but begin tomorrow. The last nights speech to the business council, the president seemed to be sounding a different message. Take a listen. I should point out and im heard youve he heard from a number of experts and economists that this is not a cliff, but it is a tumble downward. Megyn joining me now simon rosenburg, president and founder of a think tank and a former Campaign Advisor to president clinton and Marc Thiessen, the enterprise, and former speech writer for president george w. Bush. Its not a contrast, but a different sounding mental from t from message from one he had been giving. It will not happen overnight, but to be real. He seems to be trying to prepare folks for what, marc . The fact that the the sequester isnt quite what he made it out to be. Reason hes changing his tone, what he was saying was not true. And like the boy who cried wolf, obama is calling sequester. They got caught and said that 40,000 teachers will lose their jobs and arne duncan said the layoff notices were going out as we speak and they couldnt find a Single School district in the country where layoff notices, pink slips were going out because of the sequester. They went out and side they had to release hundreds of Illegal Immigrants facing deportation from immigration jails because of the sequester. It isnt costs 164 to keep an immigrant in immigration jail and nothing to do with the sequester and that official, by the way, has suddenly retired. Youve got saying 70,000 kids are going to lose head start and hhs spokesman said to politico, not to take the figures literally. Theyve been fear mongering and the problem with crying wolf is eventually it comes back to haunt you and people wont believe you next time you warn theres a pending disaster. Megyn simon. Listen, i dont think theres been a change in tone or a big backtrack. Were entering a different stage in this debate. I mean, republicans have been arguing for years that cuts are a virtues thing that we need to cut government in order to bring our deficit under control and the truth is that when you cut government, real things happen, right . Seniors get less good health care. Teachers get laid off. Our readiness for our military get degraded and thats happening as were hitting the reality phase of this conversation about what to do about our fiscal future. And i think that the republicans are continue actually trying to deny when you cut government there are real world consequences to it it. And this is where you can call it fear mongering or whatever marc is going to say, but republicans have been equally misleading about the fact that there isnt real world consequences when you cut the government. Megyn and what do you think of it, marc . Were going to see and some people are going to lose their jobs and president obama, the clip change in tone, i will grant simon was not the best and there was more, limited time. There was more where he went on to stay unless you live in an area where you have military folks there and so on, you may not feel the effects of this. But thats that does sound different from what hes been saying before, that the growth of the entire economy is it going to be put in jeopardy. Damage our National Security, kids kicked off head start disabled disabled kids less help and firefighters and eviscerate job creating. And just a couple of days ago, it was like oh, my god. Yeah. A couple of days ago, it was armageddon and now all of a sudden were on a downward tumble, a difference between armageddon and tumble. The problem with sequester isnt the amount of cuts, honestly were not cutting 85 billion dollars this year, theres only 44 billion dollars in outlays, thats little over 1 of the federal budget, that is not armageddon, the problem is that theyre indiscriminate. Theyre across the board cuts and i pointed out last week, theres a simple solution to that, which republicans are voting, hopefully theyre going to vote on it in the senate today, is a bill to give the president the authority to have the discretion, to choose which programs get cut, to protect head start if he wants, to protect the military programs if he doesnt want. Megyn he stole that idea from you. You said it on the show and now theyre actually doing it, but they say thats not going to pass, marc, im sorry to tell you, but say its not going to pass, maybe im wrong. Let them reject it. Megyn simon, theres a belief in some circles that are some, in the white house or on the left, who want to see these devastating cuts, not because they want to hurt people, but because they want to make the point that spending cuts and these arent spending cuts, theyre decreases to the increases in spending, hurt, that they hurt, and that you shouldnt be behind them. And they sort of think theres a conflicting motive by some on the left. Your thoughts on that . Well, look, i think that as i said, i think were hitting the reality phase of this debate. I think that the suspects are not against cutting government, theyre not against reducing spending, but i think the point, this is where i agree with mark, if were going to do it weve got to do it right and smart. Megyn so optimistic. No, no, and the programs that dont make any sense are antiquated and where i agree with mark, the problem with na is not the aggregate amount of money that being cut, but indiscriminate, aim going to mimic marc now, the indiscriminate way theyre falling, falling on defense workers and teachers and other people and i think if marc and i could cut down and cut 82 billion we might do it in a different way that would go for antiquated Government Programs or things that are not essential, daytoday operations of the country. But i do think as we move forward in in economic debate, the truth is when you cut government, there is pain. And were going to be feeling that as a country and it means that we cant be indiscriminate about this, weve got to be senator about it. Megyn too late. We already with. By the way you two look adorable in your matching outfits today. laughter thank you, megyn. A wellssed man. Following your lead, marc, following your lead. Megyn arent they charming . Want to tell you the members of the audience they mentioned arne duncan in this debate, the secretary of education who made all of these comments about all the bad things, teachers laid off already. Well, that turned out not to be true and boy, did the white house take a beating on that at the White House Press conference. Well show you what happened when jay carney was on the hot seat about arne duncan getting caught in a bet of a stretch. Well report and let you decide coming up. Plus the white house fired a new round moments ago as well. In its war of words with bob woodward. Here we go again. The veteran journalist says he was quote, threatened, after the narrative on the automatic spending changes due to quick in tomorrow. Former white house secretary dana perino is here to weigh in, boy does she have interesting thoughts. Wait until you hear from here today. A mustsee segment. And this country, this selfstyled mountain man says local officials just changed the rules about the way he has lived on his own land for the last 26 years right after this break. Ive never had anybody hurt by bun of the buildings. Weve never had any Health Issues here, and so, hike after 26 years, thats a pretty strong statement. Not for the government. Here is our illegal bridge. It only has one rail. Basically about everything we do out here is illegal. And he believes that the counties are only looking for ways to tell him no. Which is why he has little confidence that this is a battle he can win. Im not confident i can win it, im confident i ought to win it, im confident it shouldnt be happening, but at this point basically what the government told me today is you cant operate. [ female announcer ] from tracking the bus. To tracking field conditions. Wireless is limitless. [ female announcer ] from more efficient payments. To more efficient pickups. Wiress is limitless. Epic struggle over one mans freedom versus the power of government. A North Carolina outdoorsman finds himself in a struggle with his straight over his chosen way of life on his private land. Usef conway best known as a mountain man to some, opened a too school to teach people to live like our ancestors, blacksmithing and the like. He was 17 years old when he took henry thoroughs advice and bought wilderness Turtle Island and turned it into a school and camp teaches how to live with nature. It wasnt built by architect, home depot, it was built with the materials at hand which is now the problem. County Officials Say that the compound violates Building Codes, safety regulations and ordered him to shut it down. This is supposed to be the land of the free, the government is supposed to help people protect their individual liberties and freedoms, thats not whats happening here, so, im thinking, my gosh, this is the country that i pledge of allegiance to every day . So critics wonder why now after 26 years is the local government pressuring him . Conway says he fully passed the county investigation ten years ago and many believe after he appeared on the History Channel mountain man channel that the county officials want to take a closer look. The county Officials Say thats not true, that its safety and fairness and everybody has to pass an inspection, saying, quoting here, the primary concern of the counties that the visitors are in and out of the building neither permitted nor inspected with the code. And he says his back is pretty much against the wall. Im not confident i can win it, im confident i ought to win it. Im confident it it shouldnt be happening, but at this point, basically what the government told me today is, all right, you cant operate. This is something that i spent this much of my life on, i dont know that much left. If i have to die for this, i dont mind. Reporter but hes the not dead yet and he has some help to fight this thing, several lawyers and engineers are now working on his behalf and 10,000 people now signed a petition asking the county for a Building Code change, kind of a quintessential fight for rights. Well let you know how this thing progresses. Right now the camp is not exist tent. Megyn thanks to bob buckley in greensboro, a great report and long and interesting and posting it on our website, foxnews. Com and judge Andrew Napolitano says im trying to live like our ancestors and it defeats the point to have the building regulators and inspectors coming in, has to be to cold. Get out of my business. Right, you know, megyn, how i yearn to be the judge in this case, thats not the case, regrettably ingl think, te trend is conformity. If there is he no pigeon hole to put him in shut him down and the courts will probably go along with it. When you think about it, the essence of private property is to do what you want, your ability to do what you want on your own property as long as you dont hurt anyone, and your ability to exclude anyone from private property that you want to exclude, even the government. The textbook definition. Even those who dont want to live like our ancestors, have to comply with getting permits if we want to build a deck and add a certain kind of window or whatever it is, you cant paint your door a certain color. And we all have to live with this to some extent. Why shouldnt he . He has a 26 year record of living like folks in america lived 175 years ago. He has a 26 year record of training people who want to know how to do this and doing it flawlessly. He takes he very little money to run the school. He does it using oldfashioned means and they leave and follow the means where they live. Suddenly the History Channel tells about this wonderful pioneerlike patriot, and the government goes after him. Why not give him an exemption, a variance from the local zoning codes and let him be. Megyn i havent heard of reports somebody got hurt. Theyre concerned somebody might, from the county. We noticed several buildings existed that we didnt know about, no permits were sought for, over 20 in fact. His residence, sleeping quarters for interns, cabin record. Maintenance facility. Blacksmith building and lots of visitors come and many of whom are children, and rules apply. Final thoughts. Its their obligation, but also their obligation to use common sense. Nobody stumbles into it accidentally, its 500 acres and 500 acres most recent to our friends in carolina, the purpose is to see to what the life is like untouched by government. Megyn he doesnt use electricity, and uses water from the stream. Pa would be proud of him. Im proud of him. Megyn well post the full report foxnews. Com america live. Were ten minutes away from the vatican. I was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. And now ive got to take more pills. Yup. Another pill stop. Can i get my aleve back yet . For my pain, i want my aleve. [ male announcer ] look for the easyopen red arthritis cap. New information now on one of the most important indicators on the u. S. Economy, despite a initin initi Gross Domestic Product report showed that the u. S. Economy shank in the Fourth Quarter of last year, a revised report find the economy grew. 1 . Analysts say that the slight boost respects exports and business assessments, however, the weakest performance weve seen in nearly two years. Fox news alert, as we witness a historic moment for the Catholic Church, not seen in 600 years. In justice moments, Pope Benedict xvi will step down officially as head of the roman Catholic Church and right now he is spending his final moments as pope at the Castle Gandolfo outside of rome. Air looking at live pictures of the castle, the swiss guard, they have protected the pope for five centuries, different popes for five centuries, think of it, standing outside the door. At 2 p. M. Eastern time, popes resignation will take effect. The bells will chime, the doors will shut, and the swiss guards will walk off duty one of the few signs that Pope Benedict is no longer the pope and a new leader. Fox contributor, father Jonathan Morris joins us live from rome. Good to see you. Put it in perspective what were seeing and whats about to happen. Sure, in just a few minutes as you said, megyn, the Catholic Church, 1. 2 billion members will not have a pope. This is a period called the interragnum one pope usually dies or one resigns and the cardinals meet to elect a new pope and that wont begin for several days now. What were seeing is just not something that hasnt happened in 600 years. Really, as it happened today its never happened that a reigning pope would choose, because of his own health, mind and body as he says, would pass on the authority to somebody else for the good of the church. He says in these times, this is what is needed. In my opinion, a remarkable, not only historical, but from a spiritual perspective, a remarkable act of humility and these are important times, we need a pope to handle the tough situation. Megyn what will happen, as a practical matter what does it mean for this Time Beginning in three minutes, the Catholic Church will be without a pope . Well, the college of cardinals will be taking care of the ordinary business of the church in these days and if there was an urgent matter, certainly, they would come together and make a decision about that. But certainly speaking, that the church is very local and you have the parish priest, you have a local bishop and you dont need the pope to be making urgent decisions all the time. And so, during this time, there will be no major decisions made internationally, and wait for a new pope. I stood up here, megyn, on this platform looking over here at st. Peters basilica and watched that helicopter take off, to think that this man had chosen to give up that power and that authority and go off into the sunset like that, i think it was a call to all of us, catholic or not, are we seeking the good of another person or rather, are we holding on to power position and fame . And this man, obviously, is going to be taking off those red shoes and going inside there and living a very, very different life than hes been living the last eight years. Megyn yeah, giving up huge power and acknowledging the frailty of the human condition and admitting that he physically no longer felt up to the responsibilities of being pope which is an admission of a different sort, one at that requires great humility, father jonathan. I think so, megyn. And the fact is that the pope knows that in these times, communication travelquickly, ri i know that during the life of john paul ii, towards the end while he certainly gave us an example of endurance and perserverance, Pope Benedict xvi was watching those last years of his life and seeing important work of the church not get done and he said, i dont think, at least in these times, that the best thing for the church is to have me go through the same thing. If other people manage or mismanage what needs to be taken care of quickly and well. Megyn as we watch the castle, what we understand is going to happen at 2 p. M. Eastern time the swiss guard is going to walk away, just walk away, signaling that we no longer have a pope because theyre the ones charged with protecting our pope and have been for 500 years, is that what is going to happen . That is true. And very colorful, i cant see the images right now, but if youre seeing the swiss guard who protect the pope, those uniforms were made by michelangelo, a great tradition and they said, not only do we protect the pope, but eonly protect the pope, therefore if this eres no pope were leaving. And the fishermans ring will be taken off and smashed. In other words, at this point there is nobody who is pope, and as an examination, again, that its not about one person leading the church. The person who leads the church is jesus christ, at least thats our belief, but the pope, as his vicar is the one who stands in and represents for us the leadership of the church and were saying hes no longer that and hes going to go now and live like a monk, in a couple of months hell come back to the vatican behind me and live in the monastery and not giving out any communiques or conferences, a very different life. Megyn father morris, if i can ask you to stand by as we listen and watch. Sure thing. [bell ringing]. [applause] applause applause . Wow. And the Catholic Church is now officially without a pope and Pope Benedict xvi is officially in retirement now. You heard father jonathan talk about what he will do and what that means. The swiss guard, you can see, so dignified, handling the moment, none of them has ever done this before. This hasnt happened in 600 years. You heard shouts from the crowd viva el papa. Live the pope. These, this group, the swiss guard has been protecting this pope for 500 years, you have to be catholic, you have to be male, you have to be between the ages and 19 and 30, and have completed your mandatory Swiss Military Service and you sign up for a minimum of two years for that duty. Lets watch again. This now is vatican security and they will now be charged with protecting the pope, the former pope in his retirement. Thats the changing of the guard that were witnessing. Lets watch again. And father jonathan, it was simple, but it was moving in its simplicity and the seriousness with which all involve take their responsibilities when it comes to protecting the pope. Most definitely. And you know that that the simplicity that is there, thats also beautiful, right . Is representing not a need for show or power, but rather, that this person in the pope represents for us someone much more important and that is god himself. And thats why the Catholic Church takes it it very seriously. And at the same time, Pope Benedict xvi said now what . Its not because im so important, in fact, im out of here, right . Because i think that this is another person who god is calling to do the task done, that i was doing for the church and so, there you have that, that unbelievable contrast between all that solemnity and someone who says, you know what . Now im going to live a life of quiet, prayer, and of service and of a different way to the cluthurch. I find it fascinating and inspiring. Megyn and now the duties of the swiss guard will resume when they pick the new pope. Do we know, father jonathan, when thats going to happen. We know, megyn, monday the cardinals will be be called officially to meet together. Most of them are already here if not all of them, but beginning on monday they will be officially called to conclave and then on tuesday begins what we call the congregations or basically big meetings, official meetings in which the cardinals begin to talk about the real issues. Church. And they also get to know each other in that way and even now, the cardinals have a long weekend tomorrow, they have a day off, but it will be a day off of getting to know each other more and talking to each other and discussing real human things like do you know him well. What would he be like . What has he written . What has he said . And then on tuesday, most likely, the date for the conclave will be set. After these congregations are over. My five, six, seven days after that first meeting on tuesday, so were talking about the end of next week or the beginning of the following. Megyn and i know that the former pope will now be known as bishop emeritus of rome and hes in the building and guarded by the Vatican Police no longer the swiss guard and i want to ask you about a moment we saw here this morning where we saw the pope leaving vatican city before he got into the helicopter and there is his driver. There is his driver of the car, kissing his papal ring and in tears. You can see tears in his eyes. And you think about this man, not so much the pope who we can necessarily, he we might not necessarily be able to relate to, but the driver of the car, so moved, just to be near this man. Just to be driving him and have the privilege of spending that time with him and now that ring that he kissed you mentioned will be taken off and smashed and explain the reason for that and the significance of that and the significance of the pope to everyday catholics. Sure. Well, the ring, the significance of the ring, its a fishermans ring and remember when jesus said to st. Peter you will now be a fisher of men, in other words, youll now be a pastor now you wont just be doing things for yourself, but youll be involved in the salvation of souls and when Pope Benedict gives that up recognize no longer the person in charge. He made a remarkable statement to the cardinals today in this regard, among you will be among you most likely to be the next pope and i offer to him my sincere reverence and obedience. s he saying im going to be someone who is not the pope and theres somebody else in charge and i think that must be very moving for that man who had the pleasure of driving him and living close to him, in these days because just to watch somebody do that its like our father, its like someone, or grandfather, is doing an act of humility like that, we would all be moved. And i was moved it tears when i was watching the helicopter fly over the platform tonight. This man did it and now its our turn. Megyn bishop emeritus of rome. Thank you for being here. Thank you, megyn. Megyn coming up in the next two minutes, back to washington d. C. Because weve got some breaking news today from the white house, as the media challenges thiS Administration on whether it has been completely honest about the fallout from these spending changes taking effect tomorrow. The education secretary may have stepped in it a bit and jay carney had his hands full moments ago, well he show you the exchange. And plus life in the fast lane couldened up costing you in one state. And ticket slow drivers who decide to muddle along in the passing lane. A bevy of beauticians, claiming they went in on a lotto claim, but that the gal who bought it stole to for herself. And saying that i didnt win it off the group ticket. Look at the ladies. Are they likely to win in their hairraising case . Kellys court. Fox news alert in the fight over the automatic spending changes that are due to kick in tomorrow. And new questions from the media about whether the administration has been straight with the American People on this issue. Welcome back, everybody, im megyn kelly, for the last few weeks weve heard a series of warnings from the administration about what will happen when this these automatic spending changes, again, if were going to decrease the amount of increase we will see in spending this year. Well see more spending than last year, not as much. Warnings how these changes, you know, this reduction in the increase is going to weaken our economy. Its going to hurt our military readiness and leave thousands of teachers without job. In fact, education secretary arne duncan suggested this past sunday the first pink slips were already going out in School Districts across the country. And there are literally teachers getting pink slips, notices that cant come back this fall. That was sunday. Three days later the White House Briefing the media challenged mr. Duncans claims and we heard that story, here is that exchange. And teachers are already getting pink slips as you said yeah, and just cause they have an earlier notification, so, in west virginia, but not the vast majority will be rolling out over the next two months. Chris. And clear its title 1 teachers and inaudible whether its sequester related i dont know, these were teachers given pink slips. Megyn thats the point, is it sequester related or isnt it. Thats the context in which he offered the original remarks. Ap then the Washington Post came out and gave arne duncans original claim four pinochios, they werent layoffs, they were transfer notices and werent to the sequester. And moments ago the president s team questioned we will he get into it momentarily. Boy, this is not going well for arne duncan or the administration. I want to show you and the viewers what just happened today on this very same issue, marriage garre Major Garrett formerly of fox news. And didnt prove to be true about the immediacy of pink slips for teachers, mentioned specifically a School District in west virginia, theyre not sequester related at all. He made some sort of mild suggestion they might not be, theyre clearly not. How confident are you, jay, how confident is thiS Administration the things its saying and portrait its presenting to the country is not only accurate, but will withstand the vut any of times once the cuts begin . Were very confident. And a fact a if you want to present another example ill take them, but cant explain the and in place i dont know that the secretary of transportation was giving you an absolute minute target for how much the delays are going to be, there are going to be delays in reduction of man hours and personnel among our air traffic contollers, thats a fact. And i hope you keep that in mind he when youre on your next commercial night and youre delayed, if that does in fact come into effect the sequester, i would refer you to the department of education and superintendent of schools in the district that you mentioned for specifics about that, im certainly not familiar with it. I can tell you that the impacts of sequester are real and to diminish them to diminish that was given of the example i would defer you to the department of education and the superintendent of the School District for more information, i dont have it. Megyn steve hays . You know, they were all, they were all too happy to put out arne duncan on the sunday talk shows and now its huh, who, what . Try to get him on the phone. Talk to some local guy. Right. Well, its interesting, i mean shall the Washington Post already did that work and interviewed administrators said flatout without qualification that what arne duncan said was not true that this was not related to sequester, there were transfer notices, but they were not firings and not related to the sequester. That answer was given and arne duncan was demonstrably wrong on that. Megyn and this is the Washington Post article, i dont know if you can see, it four pinochios for arne duncan as false claims for pink slips for teachers. Washington post reporting and as you point out therell be at probably five or six jobs and its going to happen regardless of sequester. Why dont they just come out and say, i misspoke, i said something that wasnt right, it happens, i was confused, and let me clarify what the truth is. You get more credibility when you acknowledge your mistakes. I think that would have been wise to do that in this case, it appears to be so black and white because the reporting has been done. I think if youre in the white house and sitening the communication strategy room the reason you dont acknowledge what seems sob such an obvious mistake, you dont want to encourage sort after pileon effect and reporters go and check other things, and other things, and then can demonstrate a pattern once you acknowledge its wrong. Im thinking im guessing talking over there, that its probably easier to try to skate around it by not acknowledging it was a mistake. I wouldnt have done it that way. I would own the mistake, we screwed it up. Well do it better next time. Megyn this ties into a debate we had Marc Thiessen and rosenburg, how president obama had arguably a shift in tone about the tire consequences of these spending changes. It had been sort of armageddon before yesterday and yesterday, it was more like, well, its not going to a cliff, its going to be a tumble and might not feel it if youre not the firefighting or the military community and theres a question whether the wheels are coming off the bus on that message from arne duncan or whatever else president obama knows to cause that slight shift. Yeah, i think its an unmistakable shift. If you go back and play the president s remarks from a little over a week ago, i think it was, where he basically described something that looks like chaos spreading through the United States and then contrast them with the sort of slight tumble down effect that he described last night in his remarks, theres no question that hes making a different kind of case and i think its almost certain that thats because theyve been called on this, i mean, i think that reporters are, you know, in substance, finally doing their jobs. And asking these questions, doing the kind of Fact Checking that we saw them do vigorously during the campaign, mitt romneys campaign and that weve seen reporters do in the past. Theyre just asking questions, trying to verify what actually is being said and as Major Garrett mentioned in his questioning of jay carney, there are now questions raised about an f. A. A. Administrator who couldnt back up the administration claims it would be 90 minute flight delays, i think were going to see more of this. Megyn and is this because that that messaging, you know, the armageddon messaging, was meant to scare the republicans on capital hill into doing something differentlily and coming to the bargaining table, you know, with president obama and that didnt work. And so now, it looks like were going to have the spending changes and now we have got to get real. Yeah, i think the white house took a calculated, but very significant risk when they made that over the top case. I mean, whatever we see, its not likely to resemble thinking that the president described he when he did that appearance in front of the First Responders where he suggests, yeah, basically hinting that peoples lives were going to be in danger across the country. It was so 0 over the top that i think that reporters sitting watching the president S Performance had to say really, thats what we are atalking about and started them asking questions, and the real risk if we dont see them or see them in a more graduated way which is more likely the president was going to look like he was crying wolf which is a prospect the New York Times even raised in an article yesterday. So i think its a real risk for the white house and threatens the broader case that president obama has made throughout his presidency on behalf of activist government. Thats what he says, we cant even survive these 40 billion dollars in cuts on the domestic discretionary side in the context of a budget thats 3. 6 trillion dollars, these small cuts will imperil the country. Thing that people are wake up and saying, that doesnt strike me as true. Megyn even the Washington Post, sequester spin gets ahead of reality and write the description of the post sequester landscape from the Obama Administration have been alarming, hyped, thank you. And war of words with boob woodward under attack again after challenging the administrations narrative on these budget changes, and the negotiations. Dana perino has an interesting perspective on this. Shes here live. Also, what do you think of people who drive slowly in the fast lane . But way too many arent. Why . Because selling their funds makes them more money. Which makes you wonder isnt that a conflict . There are way too many and they spend more money and not one of them has our name on it. 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Reporter and megyn, the general being laid to rest here at West Point Cemetery in a few minutes and a lot of dignataries arrived along with family members here at the cemetery, including former vicepresident dick cheney and in the chapel as the generals daughter spoke about her father and laughing and crying as she talked about his booming voice and life style, how he would listen to pavarotti and sing on stage with johnny cash the next day ar treadmill the next day listening to abbas greatest hit. He was retired in 1991 and asked to run for Political Office and he declined and here is her story. After much soul searching dad politely declined the notion of Political Office and wouldnt be good at it it anyway, sorry about that, mr. Vicepresident. I wrote that before i knew you were coming so i hope you wont hold it against me. A lighter moment in the chapel. Of course, Norman Schwarzkopf served two tours of duty in vietnam ap received three silver stars and led troops during the invasion of granada and led Operation Desert Storm ending that ground war in iraq in 1991 in just four days and had some choice words for the former iraqi leader. As far as Saddam Hussein being a great military strategist, he is neither a strategist nor is he schooled in the operational arts, for is he a tactician, nor is he a general, nor is he a soldier. Other than that hes a great military man, i want you to know that. laughter . Reporter general schwarzkopf also is being remembered here by his wife brenda. He has two daughters and a son and is being laid to rest, megyn, very close to his fathers grave. His father was also a west point graduate. Megyn what a man. Recognizance rick, new. And there were intense moments in the White House Press room. And there was another allegation an official threatening reporter bob woodward because he challenged the president s narrative for suggesting who is responsible for the budget changes scheduled to kick in. The president obama has be been railing against these and saying the republicans came up with them. Woodward says that the president came up with them and hes moving the goal posts and claiming the republicans has to raise taxes if theres going to be a deal. The white house not happy with that reporting and now woodward chams they threatened him. Former White House Press secretary dana perino had some fascinating insights on whats really hang heppening here. She was the press secretary under president bush and wait until you hear her explanation how things work in an office. A salon full of stylists fighting a Million Dollar lottery winner, saying that their coworker tries to cut them out of it even though they were in on the ticket. Theyre disappointed that it came to this and theyre much more disappointed than they are angry. Its not a candy bar. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the new fiber one caramel nut protein bar. Sperling told bob woodward he might regret what was and the responsible thing to ask that question in the context of the full email since we know what the full email said. In keeping with the what ive been access to, mr. Woodward was his friend and apologized for raising his voice. I think you cannot read those emails and come away with the impression that gene was threatening anybody. Megyn and yet, thats the impression that bob woodward walked away with. That was jay carney the White House Press secretary moments ago facing tough questions from the press corps about the escalating battle, escalating weird battle between the Washington Post reporter bob woodward and the white house. Mr. Woodward who used to be loved by the folks at the white house now clauims he received a thereiniy think ema from Gene Sperling, and sperling upset over mr. Woodwards reporting on the big budget fight happening in d. C. , and who is to blame for these automatic spending changes, the president s been railing against for weeks. Da dana perino former press secretary for president george w. Bush and a cohouse of the five here on fnc. Its a bit after train wreck, a man who was the darling of the mainstream media, i mean, the darling of the meainstream media and the white house liked him just fine prior to this. And bob woodward is an exceedingly polite person, even if you know youre on t the you cant help, but like the guy. And i understand when reading the email, its not that bob woodward thought someone was going to kill his poodle, thats not the threat. The threat is what turned out to happen, which is you have many on the left attacking anyone who has said, well, wait a second, those reporters in the Briefing Room, all of them are asking a little tongue in cheek to jay carney today, because its not news. This is it is a way to operate a press, which is to threaten access. Access is really your only weapon. Earlier jay carney says nobody really thinks that Gene Sperling could hurt anybody and i could even probably beat him in arm wrestling, but they do have access and theyre unhappy with him. And i think bob woodward is the reason that most of those people are in the Briefing Room anyway. Megyn right. You learn about many of us saw and inspired. Megyn and saw bob woodward, i mean, Robert Redford who played bob woodward in the movie, amazing what a career to have. This is the beef with woodward. So hes breaking the story, he says the white house moved the goal posts and says hes being unfair to the republicans. And he says im going to run the story and they have a shouting match and sperling admits he laced into woodward. And this guy admits in the email he raised his voice and they had a shouting match. And then he follows up by sending bob woodward this email, that says i apologize for raising my voice, i think you should rethink your comment saying that the president moved the moved the goal posts, i know you may not believe it, but as a friend you may regret staking that claim. Baba bah. And woodward says there should be more to this issue and welcome your personal advice and they think that woodward is disingenuous saying that woodward is coming out saying that he was threatened. I think that bob last night when he did that interview he should have given fuller context about it and made it clear he didnt think he was going to be personally threatened. But whats interesting, the root of this is the question of does it matter whose idea it was to have the sequester . Does that matter at all in this debate and i would say that it does. Because the white house and all of the other debates this is the republicans fault, this is their idea, this is their problem and in in case, you have a crisis of their own making at the white house, and yet, theyre trying to blame republicans and now, blaming a reporter whos basically beloved on all sides. Megyn directly contrary to what president obama said during the president ial debate. Said this is from the republicans, their idea. And i tried to tangle with bob woodward once and discredit his third book calm o came out and the bush administration, and tried to put distance between us and woodward and it failed miserably. Everybody defended bob woodward and not us. Megyn the media. Not so today. Now they treat him like they treat the oldest elephant in the herd. Megyn not just the mainstream media. And the tweet put out and lets talk about what happened to bob woodward after he was told youre going to regret in. First, jay carney came out and accused him of being willfully wrong, that implies intent that youre intentionally also misleading the American People. That takes a shot at your integrity and then woodward goes out and says, look, im telling you this is what happened. I talked to the white house and now, now, we see David Plouffe come out from the white house and look what he treated out. Watching woodward the last two days is like imagining my idol mike schmidt, face live pitching again, perfection gained once is rarely repeated. I mean, is this beneath the dignity of the white house to be going after bob woodward like that, like hes old, hes i dont think that it represents the president in the best light. I understand defending a president , but i also think that at some point, as a press person in the administration or in a position of leadership like David Plouffe, you can say look, we did come up with the sequester idea and weve been trying to fix it republicans havent met up with us halfway, and instead of basically going after him a scorched Earth Campaign that burns everything town and including trying to burn down his reputation and you see that so many people are only too happy to pile on. We did headlines in the last hour of many on the blogs, in particular the left leaning ones just ripping woodward. Yeah. Megyn suggesting hes lost his mind. Oh, this is what were going to start to see. Start to see hes old, past his prime. Boy, he hasnt done any good work in a long time. If you go to breitbart. Com, find a list of other reporters in the past four years says this is not that unusual. Look at local reporters in 2008 campaign in different cities shut out of covering the obama team, there is favorism and thats the way that we dont have to look quite that far at fox news. Fox news they tried to kick us out of a pool interview and the rest of the pool said no you dont get to kick out including our sister newspaper. And went off cheryl at kinson because of reporting of fast and furious, and head of the White House Press corps stood up and said that the press corps was angry how abusive they were theyre kidding themselves if they think there isnt a feeling of bullying by the White House Press office. The last four years, i talk to a lot of those guys and protect their anonymity theyre not happy with the way theyre being treated and dont understand why then dont do better reporting then and ask harder questions. Benghazi was a horrific example of letting something go and talk about willfully misleading the American People. Megyn they need access, in their defense they need access and this white house has a history of shutting it down if they dont get the reporting they like. Now were in a situation where you have he got to respect a journalist whose career is taking hits by the day because he has so many people piling on and treating him like a rookie reporter who doesnt know when hes threatened. Of course bob woodward had that email by Gene Sperling and read the whole thing and when wrote back, the question is whether he believed it was a threat he when he received it he told cnn yes, i believe it was a threat to me. And were supposed be to be too immature as a reporter to know whats a threat and not an athlea threat given the history. And one of the thing that fru frustrates reporters, would not talk to the press and go through me and my office and provide access as well as we could. Gene sperling has a long relationship with bob woodward going back to the clinton day, they know each other very well and they have communication like this and probably a conversation over coffee anytime that they want. But the problem with, i think, going that route is that as press secretary, you cant stop something from happening or say, oh, i dont think you should say, threat, even if i know what you mean. It could be taken the wrong way when it gets out into the public. So, there are good rules to follow and i do know an anchor who said that hes covered the clinton administration, started covering the Obama Administration and the first week of the Obama Administration got an fwordlaced phone call from rahm emanuel. We all know, thats his schtick the way he operated and i dont think it represents president obama very well. Megyn theres an interesting article in the National Journal today by ron fournier, he cut off his relationship with an unnamed senior white house official because of the abuse he had suffered over his reporting and just found them to be they had attempted to intimidate him and shut him down whenever he ran with something they didnt like. And another example of a legacy reporter with a sterling reputation and i think what he wrote today possibly the most important piece out of all of this, mini scandal in washington d. C. Megyn wow, wow. Dana perino great to have your thoughts on it. See you tonight on the five the smash hit the five it airs at five conveniently, ease toy remember. And i love it. Oh, coming up next, something very important. A hair dresser accused of trimming her coworkers right out of the office pool. Thats next. [ male announcer ] julia child became a famous chef at age 51. Picasso painted one of his master works at 56. 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This woman is acting with no moral compass whatsoever, my sixyearold pulls stuff like that. The idea well, we won, but not with your money, it was with my money and so, thats it. They had an oral agreement. They didnt donate the money to her, there was a reason why they relinquished hard earned dollars to her that was the agreement. Have a discussion upfront whether youre going to purchase personal tickets as well and megyn, they did. They said dont buy anything personal and she went ahead and did so at her own peril, pay up. Megyn randy, who also misses the day of the strippers in kellys court. Is it, is it plausible as the group of beauticians now claim, that they did sit down and say, now, dont ever buy one for yourself individually he at the same time you buy one for the pool. How convenient. I would love to see that written somewhere on a napkin. On a piece of paper, on the back of a snickers bar. You know what i love about the cases, i wonder if the same woman came back and said, oh, you know, we each owe a Million Dollars, if suddenly the same people would say, hey, that aint my ticket, thats not the pools ticket, thats your ticket. Whether you are in court suing over a broken window or apple and samsung, you have to bring evidence. Show me proof of it. Ill show you. Show me proof of an agreement. Wait, wait. Show me proof. Ail he give it to you. Megyn wait a minute, i want to hear the proof. Ill bring it. Listen its not a written agreement. How convenient. Three people not part of this pool who used to be a part of the pool who have nothing to do with this will testify on top of the seven, so a total of ten people to say that they all had an understanding that you dont buy personal tickets, when you you want to say bet that the three people hung out with the seven and not the one. Good luck cross examining all of them. Bring it on. Megyn how is it, when they get to court how do they convince the judge and jury that their side has the facts on their side . Thats such a wonderful question, but unfortunately in this country were no longer an adversarial system. Everything settles because a restraining order is a great equalizer because youve got eight people staring at 9 1 2 Million Dollars saying, i want that money. And they cant have it. Until somebody wins or settles and they dont want to give it all to the lawyers so unfortunately they will cave. It will settle. We move on. Megyn in the meantime, and created styles all, but shut down and the women are worried whether theyll get their share after 9 million jackpot. I would tell them. Let it go, it will work out and shell get her 8th. Megyn and thats not bad. A hot of change, but randy wants the lawyers commission. Do you think that theyll do my hair or whats left testify. Megyn i dont think thats going to help lous business. 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Life is a highway i want to ride it all night long a new push in one state to put a stop to drivers who lurk in the left lane. In georgia lawmakers are considering legislation that would make it illegal to drive slower than the speed limit when youre in the fast lane. Trace gallagher at our west coast bureau with more on that. Reporter do not tell me megyn kelly, it doesnt drive you crazy. And someone is in front of you driving 45 miles an hour, never looks in the rear view mirror and creeping along. In georgia you might get help. Drivers have a new law that the cops are about to enforce in theyre excited. Here is one driver, listen. Makes you wish you could ticket somebody and send them to the right lane. And i dont know, its very frustrating. Yeah, the proposed law says if you cant keep up get out of the way or at least get out of the fast lane. You can get ticketed now, if this law passes in georgia driving too slowly. They havent said exactly what that speed lower limit will be. The bill was introduced by a state representative a former state trooper, listen to him. I always say its a matter your mama should talk to you, somebody pulls up behind you move to the right. If youre not driving the speed limit you have a duty to get out of the way. Reporter yeah, by the way, a few years ago, the Georgia Legislature shall the house also passed a similar bill with you stuck in the senate and never signed by the governor. They think this is going to pass, pretty strongly, megyn and if it does it will take effect july 1st of this year, and california, are you listening to this . cause, come on. Megyn youre the speedster. And pass in the right lane. Megyn im the lady going too slowly in the passing lane, you move over there, theres a huge semi in the middle lane and you move over to the left lane trying to pass it, it speeds up doesnt like you passing it and im scared trying to get away from you, im not going to do a contest with you, cant get past it so big and spitting snow and rain on you, some guy behind you is flashing his lights and flashing his lights. Im scared ill move when i can. And every one of the guys are the mean guy behind me. Reporter its you, its you know in front of all of us, oh, my. Megyn i get afraid, tell the semi to go slower and let the lady pass, when he sees her, let her pass were afraid and the truckers know what theyre doing and sometimes we dont. See you, trace. Reporter and dont is start crying. Megyn thats actually what i do. Well be back