america. i have an agenda and i want to talk about it. >> you want to see a payroll cut? >> let's see how the economy goes. let's see what happens in the next few months. i do think that one of the things you have to do as a recession comes on is you have to get more money into the economy. the problem is, we have trillion dollar deficits now that the republicans pass -- we should have never cut taxes like we did when times were going so well. now we don't have the levers to pull when times are tough. >> maria: it moved the needle. can you say times are tough? a recession the two quarters of negative growth. we know that. we had this year 3.1% growth in the first quarter and 2.1% in the second quarter. so we're not seeing any negative growth. >> here's my point. when we do have a recession, we'll have no tools in the tool box to take care of anything. you can't deficit spend because we have trillion dollar deficits now as far as the eye can see