>> yeah. you mentioned that staged murder. he did that so that he could reportedly -- this is what they're saying -- so that membered get his son who is still alive a $0 is million -- 10 million life insurance settlement. jackie, what have you found the most interesting thing about him? because there have been so many twists and turns. >> there have been so many, and i think this was a case that really was outshined when the country was focused on gabby petito and all these twists and turns were happening. we don't have that much detail about this case, but the more we start to dig the about the patriarch of this family and dig up about him, obviously highly motivated by money. so you bring up the insurance policy, the $10 million. he stages his own death for that, allegedly. now you've got these indictments that he possibly bilked investors out of $6 million again, allegedly again, and i