progression. >> my colleagues also asked, and pushing you out of the way, ultimately ambassador taylor got appointed. as ambassador the taylor the kind of person that would further giuliani's aims? i think we can all agree that ambassador taylor is a remarkable public servant. >> absolutely. >> but what if the president could put someone else in place that wasn't a career diplomat? what if he could put in place, say, a substantial donor to his inaugural? what if he could put in place someone with no diplomatic experience at all? what if you put in place someone whose portfolio doesn't even include ukraine? might that person be willing to work with three giuliani in pursuit of these investigations >> yeah, maybe. >> that's exactly what happened, wasn't it? >> yes.