unit is fine to protect gaddafi has joined the revolt. his own guards have defected. fox producer is on the ground in tripoli joining us now by phone. and very interesting situation going on right now, because as you have described, not all of it is celebration. >> that's right, harris. i mean, we're still in a hotel in the center of tripoli, still anxiously awaiting the arrival of rebels and we hope it's going to be a transition, but we just don't know. we're told by people who are still here, libyan people here, there's a lot of army outside the hotel, so, if ne put up a stuff resistance, that could still be quite a fight right outside our door, and things have come a little less, and become going around the hotel very agitated and angry, you know, with their flags and protests gaddafi symbols and venting on journalists and seemed to have melted away, too, and we're told there's still quite a lot of army and still hear the gun battles raging outside. >> you know, what we're hearing, too, in the celebration that's going on, is also a waiting pattern, to see what will happen with gaddafi. any word now on exactly what the latest is for that? >> you know, there's reports that he left friday in had a convoy of seven vehicles crossing the desert to go over the algerian border. we kept on getting the messages from him that sounded like he could well have been on a satellite phone, you know, he was imploring to go to the front lines and fight. and we just don't know, harris, the answer. this is, you know, somebody who, you know, we were told by everybody close to him that he was stay quiet and would not leave his capital. it looks increasingly like he has and we just don't know where and until we see a photograph of him somewhere, we can't be sure where he is and confirm, that he's actually even left and just so much speculation at the moment and it's the million dollar question everyone wants to know where is muammar gaddafi tonight. when his capital tripoli is falling into the hands of the people, we wanted to depose him and tried quietly to do that. >> harris: and the world is watching as we're live from our sister network, 2:03 in the morning locally with our camera outside, via our sister network and you can see them firing bullets into the air in celebration, it would seem, as you've reported though, always a dangerous situation when you have this many people gathered and not a whole lot of organization or answers. and we will check back with you as the situation warrants and as always, stay safe. because we understand you're in the middle of the situation, that obviously is unfolding before the world's eyes. and we are looking live and also being able to listen in on some of the voices of of the people riding on a truck convoy, it would appear. they have done this for the the better part of two hours now. c crowding into the square. and we want to go live now, if we can. because this is really affecting things all around the world, that you might not have thought of yet. the markets open around the world and actually the asian markets are getting ready to open now. there will be reaction to this. libya produce as whole lot of oil. while here in the united states we don't purchase much of it. it normally goes outside to europe and other countries, but it does affect the global economy and the price of oil. it can. the rebels have said that they will be able to produce oil once they are in control. will that happen? we will he' have to see. and our adam shapiro with the fox business network is going to join us now. and as we watch, gaddafi's regime seemed to be crumbling. i understand the price of gold has been up and down? >> yeah, gold has been going up in electronic trading this morning and i'm looking now at the chart. it's up $17. it got up to $18.77 an ounce, but oil is what we're really watching and that 1.6 million barrel of coil that libya capable of producing not pricing now. takes into account there's no libyan oil. the price of oil could actually come down further and we're trading at roughly 81 cents a barrel right now. when the rebels say they'll be able to pump oil and they said this last week, in the next three weeks, the return of libyan oil although the analysts say it could take as much as three years to get back to full production, but the bottom line for you and me, oil worldwide and the price of gasoline. not the immediate fufrp, but already you can see this happening on markets and some analysts saying with the return of 1.6 million barrels of libyan oil you could see with the economy the way it is, the price of oil really fall. >> harris: you know, adam, you and i were talking before we got started on the fox report, the price of gold, rather, had jumped, as people were kind of taking refuge in something that he they thought might hold its value better. >> right. >> harris: and then the price started to come down and now you're talking oil. are there any other commodities we ought to be watching for? >> you'll want to watch and keep your eyes on oil and gold right now. last week we were talking about corn because of bad corn harvest reports. what's interesting with gold and oil as well. the japanese central bank and the finance minister came out this morning in japan at least here in the united states this evening, promising they're going to strengthen the yen, what it means in english for you and me, the dollar goes up in value. the japanese are about to do. when the dollar goes up in value watch oil prices fall and you might see people going out of oil as well. >> harris: the futures giving us some indication and you told me earlier, it might be a wild one as the markets open tomorrow here in the united states? >> not looking good right now. futures on the dow are indicating we're going to be down in triple digits at 9:30, but we still have a long way to go before we get to the opening bell. that could change as the developments in libya change every minute. . >> harris: very true. adam, thank you very much. we want to mention that we are live, due to the breaking developments in libya and huckabee will return next weekend. and this word, now the president has gone in front of a camera on vacation to say that he is waiting for full confirmation of what is happening. and that he will make a statement when he gets that full confirmation on what is happening in the libyan conflict right now. but he is he' just walked out to the the press corps that's travelling with him and our correspondent ed henry reporting this. and if and when that happens you'll see it here on fox news. and now, let's get some more context and perspective on what all of this means not just in a global perspective, but for america. fox news contributor and former ambassador to the united nations john bolton joining us, you know, there are tremendous amount of people. as you and i were talking a few minutes ago, in this country, ambassador, we remember, december 1988 when 270 people died on a pan am flight that colonel gaddafi ordered to be bombed. there are a lot of people watching tonight as this unfolds and maybe with a little vindication. >> right, well 189 americans were killed in that act of terrorism and you know, we've heard the international criminal court say they've indicted gaddafi, they've indicted his son and they want to try his son who is now apparently in captivity and i would say with respect to muammar gaddafi before the international criminal court gets a hold of it and he's got a date in a measured american court. even when we negotiated the end ever his nuclear weapons program in 2003 and 2004, and granted recognition, i don't think americans ever forgot that act of terrorism and many others that he committed. it's one reason people were so outraged when the actual terrorist,al megrahi was released by the scotts and in tripoli now. >> harris: there's talk about where gaddafi is and where he could go. is there anybody out there, you have a host of experience who would help a dictator. in your experience kung of anybody who would help this guy out. >> i can think of a number of people that would give him refuge, speculation algeria is it one, venezuela, hugo chavez would be another. there are a number of possibilities. i am scent cal at least at this point, that he really has decided to flee the country. my thought would be he would fight to the bitter end, but it could be his forces have melted away and he's headed for the hills. >> harris: i'm just getting and i want to bring you in on this, too, ambassador, because maybe you can give us your thoughts, from our correspondents now. i'm getting that there is a battle for tripoli underway. all the celebration that we're seeing, and i've said this before this does not tell the whole story, sky news cameras focused on the green square and there's a whole lot going on in that country and city tonight. there's a battle going on and if accurate, the capture of his two sons and beating back of a certain brigade, could be a game changer, caution, colonel gaddafi may not read the tea leaves the same way that this is coming in. your take on it. >> i've thought a long time he would go out feet first. the idea he he would flee the country and live in a villa doesn't fit the profile of muammar gaddafi. why have the troops loyal to him melted away and allowed the rebels to take control of so much of the city? he we just don't know at this point. it could be be they've dissolved. it could be they've simply made a tactical decision to fight another day. so, the resistance that they could continue to put up is one of the big unanswered questions, and the other unanswered question at the moment is whether the rebels can hold discipline of their own troops and supporters or whether we are he' going to see tripoli and other parts of the country descend into anarchy. it's a fine thing to see that gaddafi is gone, but we have to see law and order restored and see the rebels bring together an effective government and it's way too premature to conclude the sweetness and light are about to break out. >> and i want to ask you about that, is it too presumptive. i've seen reports we're waiting for democrat city to break out like it's a rash in that part of the world and it's not happening in other places, would we expect it to happen here in. >> i think it's a possibility and certainly our profound hope and that's the outcome and there are many leaders of the opposition who want democracy and there are many others in the opposition as we know that n.a.t.o. has said publicly who are radical, supporters of terrorists, al-qaeda. and basically, at the moment, it appears that what there was of the libyan state has disappeared, so there's no police force on the street and no evidence of a government and that something isn't created to bring stability to the situation, a grave concern would be that the country, which is split by tribal and clan hostility and has been for a long time, and ends up in a kind of anarchy situation like we've seen in somalia, and detrimental and our main thing at the moment make sure the terrorists don't take root in libya and use it as a base for operation and i think that question is up in the air as we speak. >> all right. ambassador bolten. i want you to stand by and i want you to hear this though, we've got another rebel spokesperson on sky news, our sister network, listen. >> and working at pretty much under cover as it were for the past few months and thanks for your time and appreciate that. talk to-- let's talk on the phone as to mahmoud mccow, the libyan charged to london. a very good morning to you. >> unfortunately, as we were checking in on that, they were just wrapping up. this is a live event, obviously, we don't have control of their coverage on our sister network, but as we see them doing things, we do want to pop up in try and listen. ambassador bolten joining us by phone. earlier, we heard a spokesperson for the rebels who was actually very, very straight forward, very calm, very, very focused on their mission there, and you and i have spoken before about the disorganize that we've seen among this group. is there any possibility that there has been sort of a shift here, that maybe we don't know about? >> no, i don't think we can really tell. i mean, i will give libya opposition this much credit they know how to speak to the western media to make their point, but whether that extends more broadly and whether this government, this transitional government is very, very diverse element can hold together now at the very moment of apparently the moment of victory, i think, is up in the air. and we did see about ten days ago, the assassination of the rebels military chief of staff, at the sector for gaddafi's government and that might pressage other fratty side among the other leaders. we don't know. >> harris: the president has come out to tell the press corps travelling with him he'll be making a statement as soon as they get a full confirmation of what's happening there? what does that mean and advising people and leadership in the past, ambassador, what would you say that he should tell the american people at this point? >> well, i think that his message, really, at this point should be in libya and to those in the world who would exploit the potential for chaos to state sponsors of terrorism and others, that they better think again before they get involved in it. i have to say though, i'm very worried that our u.s. lack of attention to what's been going on in libya for the past five months, leaves me worried about what's going to happen with the opposition. obviously, we've been doing some work, but the objective evidence is not enough to make sure that the successor regime to gaddafi in fact believes in an open and free society and is going to be pro western in its orientation, i think that's all up in the air. >> harris: well, what is the president necessarily waiting for? i mean, obviously, we're seeing these images play out, but there is a protocol in all of this and i would imagine a holding back for just the right moment. what is that moment? >> well, i think he's waiting for more ground troops, we hear these reports, we hear rebel spokesmen, but obviously, information is extraordinarily incomplete and i think it's always a mistake to put the president out there before he's got more certainty in what he can say and i certainly hope one thing he says is that he hopes that the rebels don't engage in the kind of abuses of human rights that he he was afraid of when he agreed to the n.a.t.o. intervention five months ago, when gaddafi's troops were at the edge of benghazi and threatening blood bath there. the last thing we need is for these rebels who we've supported militarily otherwise to engage in precisely that kind of massive human rights violation. >> now, this is quite different from what we saw in egypt. i remember a day not too long ago when hosni mubarak, the president there was kicked out and we saw another square that looked like the pictures. there's a difference between the countries and what are some of the nuances that we need to be aware of. >> there's a radical difference between what's happening for us in libya now and what happened in egypt. and in egypt, the military was in control before tahrir square and the military is still in control today and mubarak, that particular government is gone, but the state itself, the military that took over from king farouk in 1952 is still there. what's happened in libya is that gaddafi's state that he has run for 40-plus years, has apparently melted away and there is no institution like the egyptian military to provide stability and law and order and that's not the only value that we prize obviously, but in the near term, at the risk of repriceals from anti-gaddafi rebels, the risk of remaining pro gaddafi troons and his supporters, his tribe, his clan, to seek revenge for what's happened to gaddafi is real and just the risk of flat-out economic looting and pillaging is real. and so, there's a lot at stake here and considerable uncertainty what could come next. >> harris: you know, we had major general bob scales on a short time ago and he said this is a reason to celebrate and they are celebrating and we should celebrate with them. i've heard though that maybe not celebrate so quickly. maybe pull back. what is your vision on that? >> well, i would celebrate and worry at the same time. i'm glad gaddafi is gone. i think that his exit is well deserved and, but you cannot say with any degree of certainty at this point that we have, that we know what's going to succeed him and that's why, the second half here is extremely important, we don't want to end up with somebody worse. we don't want to end up with the condition where the country is in anarchy or just descends into civil war generally whether or not gaddafi is still around and i must say, watching the rebels council over the past five and a half months, i don't have much confidence that they've got the skills to pull it altogether. now, this is the moment of truth. we'll find out. i hope that they do, but i think that the evidence is not yet there. >> all right. and ambassador john bolton thank you for joining us by phone tonight. we'll take a quick break as we continue to watch the situation history unfolding in libya tonight. and president obama saying that he will hold back on speaking about this until he's gotten full confirmation as you heard the ambassador saying he's looking for ground troops. what exactly is hang there before he speaks to our nation about what's going on there. remember, our pilots engaged for months now with n.a.t.o. in the air in libya. stay with us. 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>> that's right, harris, new information the president just made a brief comment on the situation in libya, just broadly speaking, but is making clear he doesn't want to get into any substance until we do have those facts on the ground and the president was on his way into a restaurant about three miles from where i am and he said, quote, we're going to wait until we get full confirmation of what is happening. i will make a statement when we do. now, obviously, he we do not know whether or not that statement will be tonight or whether it will be be tomorrow because we don't know when that confirmation is going to come in. what we do know from senior u.s. officials that i've talked to, that my colleagues, catherine herridge, jennifer griffin, everybody as a team effort is pouring through and calling sources, what we're piecing together is from senior u.s. officials is that basically they have been watching the situation closely unfield for days, and not just today. and they believe that the rebels have been gaining momentum for some time. but there's two big questions now looming, number one, can they finish the job in tripoli now and knock colonel gaddafi out of power and we've heard about his son's whereabouts, but not where colonel gaddafi himself is. number two, what comes next, and i think ambassador bolten and others have been discussing, there is great concern within the obama administration tonight when you talk to senior officials about what will happen next, and the rebels govern themselves will there be chaos or will they be able to bring some order in the days ahead and you see some euphoria here in the early stages and heard a lot about gunfire and you worry about looting and what might come next, they're certainly keeping a close eye on that and the final point i'd make, there's also a lot of eyes within the american government taking a look at the situation, with oil reserves there in libya, obviously, the last thing, world markets need right now is another shock to the system and now we have been talking throughout the president's working vacation here in martha's vineyard how the stock market has been going through a wild ride and a concern about the jobs situation and the stock market has been gyrating in part because the jobs crisis, and we've seen oil prices going up and down and now what happens because of these changes in libya and what happens in the asian markets over the next couple of hours and what happens in the u.s. markets tomorrow. all of that is being watched very closely by the administration tonight harris. >> obviously, the white house is watching closely because i understand the president stepped in front of cameras to talk to the press corps about this and we should be getting some of videotape in momentarily. are we expecting the president to actually talk tonight? >> well, it all depends on when there is confirmation about, again, when and if the gaddafi government falls, we don't want to get ahead of that, obviously, but the president said a few moments ago to reporters here in martha's vineyard. you're watching the situation closely and he doesn't want to speak out until there's full confirmation about what exactly is transpiring, but says when that happens, he will make an on camera statement and what he he said there briefly, what i just paraphrased, he said that on camera, we're getting that tape literally, run over here and get it on the air as soon as we can. he's at a restaurant three miles from where we are and someone is literally in a car driving here now to try to get that on the air for all of us. the bottom line, i think the president is reiterating what we've heard through the day from senior u.s. officials and last thing he wants events on the ground or speak out of turn before we know what's happening here. whether it happens tonight or tomorrow, depends on the facts on the ground. you were talking to ambassador bolt been. if there's confirmation the next couple of hours about the gaddafi government falling we could expect the president 0 come out then and if this takes longer, if some of this has to play out. he's not going to get ahead of that harris. >> harris: live tonight on martha's vineyard an island off the coast of massachusetts, a gorgeous coast line where the president is vacationing at this time and as ed has said, prepared to make a statement as soon as they have full confirmation in libya. ed, thank you very much. >> here it is playing out for the world to see, portions of libya, celebrating tonight, we do know that there was a battle for the capital city of tripoli playing out, and it still is to some regard although the forces loyal to dictator muammar al gaddafi we're told from our journalists in tripoli they melted away and haven't seen police forces or any sort of organized forces, just the anti-government rebels or people who are siding with them in the streets. particularly, green square, tripoli which you see live, jumping up and down and these are live pictures. off to the left of the screen, the celebrating, we've seen gunfire and people coming in on convoys and trucks you see that in the left center portion of your screen as well. as the rebels claim to take over, tripoli the capital city and the question, where is the man who ran this country for 42 years, albeit ran it to the.where they wanted to see him out. muammar al gaddafi, we don't know. we know at least one of his sons has been taken into custody. stay with fox news channel for the very latest on this story that is breaking. 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griffin joining us by phone now. jennifer, if you could, please put this into perspective nationally for us. >> well, i think, harris, what's important to remember is that those that i'm speaking to in washington. whether they are pentagon officials or other u.s. officials who are watching as events unfold in tripoli. things are happening so quickly that really, what we're seeing on in terms of live feeds from the capital. they're not getting any more information than what's coming out live. it's very clear at this point in time. i spoke to one u.s. official who said basically that the momentum that the opposition has built over the past several weeks seems to be paying off and the battle for tripoli clearly underway. the fall of gaddafi may now be obtainable and we're hearing reports from the front lines from reporters who are travelling with the rebels, that the only part of the capital that is not in rebel control at this point in time is gaddafi's compound. pan the question is, where is gaddafi himself? there are reports he he may have left the country, but then you see the reports that his two sons are under house arrest and we have the, i'm reading the tweets of ryan of reuters who says that the, who said that she's in the square right now and you can see the scaffolding meant for a giant gaddafi poster and he's been there for 42 years and no sign of him. there are only, where the messages that he sent out earlier in the day, and for people to fight in the capital. his son, mohammed gaddafi, sent out a tweet not very long ago, saying that he's fine and that he has been, he's being held by the rebels, but he's not being harmed and it's not clear whether he's in fact the one tweeting, but those two sons appear to be in under the the control of the rebels. this, this obviously, evolving situation in tripoli will be watched closely across the region and assad of syria will be taking note of what happens to the libyan leader, and, but again, u.s. officials watching just like you and me, as things, as things unfold live on television. >> yeah, you bring up an excellent point, for assad in syria and you've seen so many of the protesters put down still and the protests there against their government and this region it's been called the arab spring, whatever name you want to put it this region is really afire with the spirit of revolution as we watch this live. breaking apart in libya, signs of the government and one of the things i'm looking at associated press and wires right now. al gentleman syrjgentleman-- al-jazeera, you're talking about the signs of government. we don't see police on the streets in all of this. in egypt when it happened. you saw police officers on the streets and here you don't see that sort of organization, with or without gaddafi, the signs of government are starting to fade away. >> well, what's interesting, we are he' seeing this come across right now, across a twitter feed from al gentleman syria, mohammed gaddafi, the eldest son is reporting from gunfire loud in the background of this interview he he's doing with al-jazeera, saying i'm being attacked in my house, inside my house and a lot of of drama outside the gaddafi home, those of his children and it does seem that the rebels are in control of all of the city except the compound where gaddafi has stayed in the past. if gaddafi did leave the country he left behind his two sons and daughter, he would have made a hasty retreat out of there if he's in fact out of the country. >> you know, just in keeping track of gaddafi and all of his movement throughout the years, it's difficult to get out of a country if you can't fly out. so there are only a few routes he can take i've asked others who would give him cover. there are people who would give him cover. >> and right now, what we're hearing, reports from libya are suggesting that the rebels are in control of that road from the capital to tunisia, so he would have had to have left, you know, earlier in the day, or in recent days and there's no-- and again, these are rumors from there, so there's no guarantee that he in fact did make it out of the country and i think we'll know more as soon as they make their way into his compound, but right now, his son, mohammed gaddafi, is being interviewed by al-jazeera and you can hear gunfire in the background and he's tweeting out as we speak, saying i'm being attacked right now inside my own house. >> i'm seeing that now and exactly what you're saying, gunman surrounded the house of gaddafi's eldest son mohammed, but told him he will not be harmed. they are there to prevent him from leaving. so this is echoing exactly what you're reporting this from al-jazeera television and again, with state radio off the air and has been a propaganda machine all day long and we've seen pictures of and we can't confirm it was actually this, but there were pictures of someone posing, if not anchoring the news, with a gun in her hand, earlier today. >> well, i mean, this is really when you have-- when you're part of the rebel movement and you're in cell of the television station and the radio station, that usually means that the capital is fallen, too. >> harris: jennifer griffin joining us by phone and national security correspondent. >> thank you. >> harris: and bring in judith miller, a pulitzer prize winner and fox contributor and knows that part of the world. >> nice to see you. >> harris: you were taking notes as jennifer and i were talking and some of the things i saw you kind of write down, rebels in control of the road into tunisia out of this country. >> right. >> harris: if he didn't get out earlier, what. >> i think he might have gotten out earlier, which would explain why we've had these weird broadcasts without a picture just audio, that's one possible explanation, and i think the bbc, which is reporting that he is in fact in algeria have good contacts and sometimes break news even before al-jazeera, it's a pretty good bet that he may have left. i think that's why the president is not getting out in front of this. >> harris: and why that particular country, do you think? >> it happens to be a country although it has signed onto the international criminal court, which has indicted gaddafi, has not ratified its membership in that organization. therefore, they don't technically have to turn over gaddafi. look, it's in everyone's interest that this ends with as little bloodshed as possible and if that means that a neighboring country which has, by the way, been supplying arms to gaddafi, chooses to give him asylum for the moment, i think that may well be all to the good and that may be the kinds of questions that the administration is now asking. >> harris: i don't want these pictures to go by without people knowing exactly what they're watching, this is a country tonight where the anti-government rebels and those people who support them because not everybody out there is a rebel, but they're certainly supporting them if they haven't defected, what's the case may be, they're celebrating in the streets of several cities and one that we're watching closely is tripoli. and the capital city and you heard our correspondent jennifer griffin, when you start to see certain things happen in a country. it's fallen and if that's where the government sits frankly it's fallen and if you want it to end as judith said as quickly as possible. all right, you're sitting across the way, and your name is assad and a dictator and been in power for a while and killing your people protesting, reports have it. what are you thinking? >> i'm thinking that this is not a good day for you and i think that that's what the senator joe lieberman meant when he sent out his statement moments ago saying from damascus and syria to tehran, iran, the auto kratz have to be trembling and they must know that their day of reckoning is coming. because when you watch people taking up arms to throw off the dictator, someone like assad must know that his day of reckoning is near. >> i asked this months ago when we watched hosni mubarak exit egypt as the former president now. is this contagion? >> no, it started with tunisia and it spread to egypt and i have to say that people like me who had covered the middle east for 30 years said no, it will never happen in egypt. and a security services are too strong. the army is too strong. but guess what, the will of the people was stronger, but, mubarak was very different, mubarak had only one request, and he wanted to live and die in egypt. and in his country. that's not what muammar gaddafi seems to be saying. i mean, he's saying one thing, but all the indications are that he may have fled. >> he likes to live and live. >> he likes to live and live and most of the ought kratz are cowards. >> they don't want to die for their country. they want others, their own people to die for their countries. >> harris: talk to me about the void. there will be one. we'll wake up tomorrow and the world's markets will react to this as the price of oil will fluctuate and and see if that happens as rebels promised. the world will go on. and there, if not much changes what do we have? >> well, we could have a much better situation if the national transitional council is able to restore order. this is their moment of truth. and they must be able to make sure that there are he no vengeance crimes, that people aren't taken out into the streets and hung or humiliated. that the tribes upon which libya is built are placated and they must do all of those things and it is a good sign that the tribes themselves through the tnc announced, the international council said we're going to respect the international rule of law, and we are going to respect the geneva conventions which means there will not be vindictive acts if, if they can maintain order. >> harris: yeah, we've seen some other countries recognize this council as well. >> that's right. >> harris: 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor if cialis for daily use is right for you. for a 30-tablet free trial offer, go to cialis.com. >> as we watch the celebration unfolding and history unfoldening libya right now. just moments ago we heard from president obama getting briefings on the latest on the ground in libya. here is the president. >> (inaudible) >> that was kind of hard to hear,'s going into a restaurant there. on vacation in martha's vineyard an island off the coast of massachusetts heard him say we're waiting for full confirmation before he makes an official on camera statement on what's unfolding in libya right now. our chief white house correspondent ed henry has been on with us a couple of times since fox report started. said that the president is waiting to find out exactly what has happened and he doesn't want to get out in front of what's happening in that part of the world by saying this is what we believe unless it's actually been confirmed and we could he see him go on camera as early as tonight. it could be tomorrow morning, but accord to go our correspondent, ed henry, it will not be preemptive in any way and he's going to wait until it's a sure thing about whatever has happened in that part of the world. for sure what we know is that rebels have taken over the city of tripoli. that nation's capital. we're joined now by general jack king, a retired four star general, a former vice chief of staff of the army and fox news military analyst, the kind of guy you want to go to. when the capital has fallen in libya and you want to find out what our special ops should be doing right now, general? >> well, in fact, this is a great day for the libyan people to be sure and i think, also, for others in the middle east. and it's got certainly encourage them to continue to struggle against the repressive regimes that are in that part of the world. and i think what we're seeing in tripoli, the collapse of the military so quickly, probably has more to do with gaddafi not willing to stay in power. either he was influenced by his insiders or just his own lack of will to continue on. that's why there's no fight going on in the city by his two competent brigades. >> harris: this is critical. we'd heard that gaddafi's forces all, but melted away when they entered the city. now we're hearing according to the fox news producer in and out with us tonight, that gaddafi snipers are preventing rebels entering a key area around the hotel where the foreign press corps are staying. what does this mean? >> well, i don't think it has much military significance, snipers, certainly can hurt people no doubt about that, but in terms of threatening what the rebels have achieved, snipers are not going to be able to do that. i think the larger question is the rebels themselves. are their leaders going to be able to provide the kind of control over their flock that they need to. that this euphoria doesn't lead to what we've seen so many other places, the general looting and general lawlessness and revenge crimes, and at some point they've got to bring the police back out on the street to maintain law and order. and so, a day or two of celebration to be sure, but hopefully they can control the people so that they do return to a law and order and stability. >> harris: before i let you go. how involved do we get militarily at this point? >> i missed the question. >> harris: how involveds does the u.s. get militarily at this point? >> well, this thing took far longer than it should and we made up our mind to do something about gaddafi militarily and the fact that n.a.t.o. was at a stalemate against a third rate military force like this for months, i've always thought of someone outrageous, none of the less, we're having a positive outcome here, n.a.t.o. will be encouraged by that to be sure. and i think more importantly, it's going to have impact on the other countries in the region. >> harris: all right. general, thank you so very much for joining us tonight. i'll have to let you go. we'll be right back. >> take care. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement ailable only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? you know, the ones find a who do a super job? 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>> to be sure, very important, i think, it's a great day for the libyan people, and took 186 days, and, but it also is a great day for the 270 families that lost someone in pan am flight 103 and let's not forget about them. i think that the un has been largely silent here and i don't know why. you know, the u.n. had a resolution and in that resolution, they tried to help pave the way for n.a.t.o. to come in and n.a.t.o. had been slow, i think your previous guest was absolutely correct, that it seems troubling that it took so long, 186 days to topple muammar gaddafi, but this is where we are and i'd like to see the u.n. get more involved because now we've got to look at the transition, the rebels have clearly shown this they have the muscle to get in, the celebrations are going on, but now the hard work starts. >> harris: yeah, and will we have the muscle to get out is the big question, too, the american people watching our engagement there as well, rick grinle, a former spokes pen for four ambassadors to the ub we thank you tonight for joining us. and that is how fox reports on this sunday, august 21st, 2011 on a night when the world is watching, another country in the arab world shakes his government leadership to the core. what will happen next in libya? 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