it's a lousy name. they shouldn't have included the brand this the band >> kat: exactly the guy is like it's hard to build something new and that's true but that's not what this is. you're building something from the arm of something that's already dying. people don't want to watch cnn. people are like, i got it, more cnn. i don't understand it. it's the least surprising thing in the world and also we can't actually find what the real numbers are which must mean they're really really bad >> greg: exactly because the fact they're not even launching it or making a lot of hoopla about it means it stinks. >> jim: by the way do you know how hard they had to work to lose me? i relate to every person on the network. i behavior like toobin on sdub i have the conduct of sucker. they had to work hard to let's see me >> greg: i can vouch for that. up next can you still pitch your ride if it fits six brats inside.