By doing things and social norms and inform them of old dead basic rights my name is the amount of people and i work at speed a. Big metal. Im here with nicholas son of hunts frank who was executed as a war criminal trials to talk about how he and how germany deals with its nazi past thank you for letting us visit you want a vacation. Have hung mr frank you have a common name and its not him or gerbils you could have hidden behind it but you chose to come out as the son of a murderer and why out i wanted to ask a time. Well the initial reason was that i was increasingly by the stubborn silence here in germany on the nazis crimes and the complicity of ordinary people. I just couldnt take it anymore. So i told myself it was time to talk about how a family that i had been born into just by coincidence could because of the fathers career loses all its morality. Fully. In this ng and you wrote the book in the shadow of the right published in one thousand nine hundred seventy the german title translates as a reckoning what kind of reckoning he will do show me you know how to score to settle with him. It was like a son trying his father and confronting him with everything i had found out about him. To conform with the ring in the book i address him directly to argue my case that although he was a highly educated man he was a real criminal means. If your father was governor general of occupied poland and in berlin there was a saying about him france lies in the west and the east makes frank rich was that what did that imply. Spirit of the you know we called it refers to the vast corruption in the way my mother and father both the rich themselves by appropriating evolution jewish property. That was its origin. In one of these still carry the picture of your father after is death by hanging neatly may not always but when i wear my jacket i keep it close for two reasons. One is to be sure that hes really dead the dog why the other is that its more and more like hes grinning at me the way he lies there with his broken neck on a blanket after his execution particularly his ideas and ideologies didnt die with. The live on here in germany if you look even if. You buy the live here in portland. Fear your four siblings couldnt cope with your fathers legacy your brother became an alcoholic one of your sisters killed herself did this book save your life. I dont think so. Even at an early age i had a distant relationship with my father. But when father initially didnt believe i was his son he suspected id been fathered by his best friend and so he was distant to me. And it was fortunate for me because it made me distance myself from him too. Because that what saved me but. It. Always struck me is how we germans and i dont just mean my family ive experienced the same with friends acquaintances and colleagues. How weve dealt with the twelve years of nazi rule from one nine hundred thirty three to nine hundred forty five in. India not the nazis made poland the center for the extermination of european jews. More than six Million People were murdered there alone your father was if you will the soul ruler of poland in this farewell letter from knew him but he wrote i was never a criminal and did that make you angry so what can you tell your people look cause it made me angry is illegally under the laws of the heist he was hitlers official representative in the general governor. Politically he was responsible for every Single Person who died. And he never really expressed regret for that. But boy. If you were nothing if not nazis were no men what role did women play when you look back at your model with other men with the law my mother was an ice cold individual and i only really got to know her after the war with the loss of the frank familys well from life of convenience. She calculatingly took advantage of her husbands position. She reached her self with all sorts of stolen goods and she truly enjoyed it with. But after the war and this is why i have a different relationship with her than i do with my father. After the war when everything was over she never glorified the third guy show us and i have. And that was very good for me as a child. She was one of the few people i have ever met who had both feet planted firmly in reality. So she suspected what she was doing was wrong. With me she knew full well it was wrong even the most nazi knew what was happening was wrong. And he was detained in one nine hundred forty five you wrote that you saw the american soldiers and thought yourself. There on the right side and were on the wrong side of the fire how do you know that at the tender age of six. I dont know if i was ever attend. But i do know that when they lined us up with my mother and three siblings the two eldest one then and we were about to be shot by an american soldier in our yard i got the distinct feeling if not in those words that they were somehow bright. Red. At the time my father would already been arrested and i sense that they were actually the ones on the right side. I was the only one who stay calm my older siblings who started bawling. Maybe i didnt fully understand what death meant yet. To my mother when i scold my now upgraded soldier. Not hysterically but covertly until he lowered his gun in shock. And was taken away by another american. Who would. Make you feel your mother was brave you up he was very brave she wants well to my father saying i know only one crime and thats cowardice my father had such cowardice led him to the gallows. Cowardice one of the main reasons that Something LikeNational Socialism was able to take root in germany with absolutely its a lack of civil courage everyone can work on their own civil courage. Anything else with those fine speeches on taking responsibility is no nonsense its personal civil courage that germany lacks. Weve apparently always believed in over thirty and thats why until today we have the best democracy even though its currently under threat because we enjoy following orders people want to pay the nazis during their dictatorship and then they said oh now its suddenly time for democracy but thats not an internal process its insincere thats why i dont trust. Now nearly eighty years after germanys invasion of poland and the beginning of World War Two on september first theres renewed anti foreign a sentiment in germany where is it coming from what how do you feel when you hear and see that the us listen in now since it has. Been. Like a very angry every day. Not a day goes by where i dont read something in the paper that makes me really mad. Really. Up give us an example. A line shouldnt like that recent comment by the state interior minister of north rhinewestphalia for. They said judges should keep in mind that their decisions correspond with the population sense of justice people say things like that are not only not at all democratic theyve also never really acknowledged what we germans perpetrated in those twelve years. It still gets to me how can people say things like that. And you can read things like that every day. Of course we can have a discussion about human nature. That we germans know for well whatever lack of civil courage leads us. To cast chambers. We should know better yet we havent done anything about it. Nothing has changed in our consciousness ive always suspected that it would break to the surface if we were to experience five or ten years of serious economic woes but suddenly its the refugees bringing everything to light that theres always been or was still a part of it. But nationalism and chauvinism arent unique to germany theyre widespread in all of europe does that worry you to where in particular. I mean one of my favorite countries is poland but whats happening in poland is awful. The damage president kaczynski is doing there is dreadful. But theyve been elected. Of course they were elected in germany we have the far right party they were elected. Of course as a democracy we should deal with this subjectively but theres still something vile about it something we carry within as. So not just germans. Now i know they can all do whatever they want. When it comes to german history and the german people im a complete shove in a sort of beneath. Im only concerned about the germans because we know better. We should know where this takes us weve gone through it before you know we played an active role. With them if i say im not in book mr frank after writing that book about your father you went on to write a second book about your mother and then another one about your brothers. But your latest book has nothing to do with nazis its a love story have you settled just score with National Socialism and your family. The car with me i dont think so i continue to research my Family History every day. My latest book is about my grandfather who with his granddaughter revisits the twelve great loves of his life. I only wrote it as a way to one wind just so for once i wouldnt have to write words like him hans frank or holocaust you know one day i found these old love letters i received from a girl when we were both seventeen and i asked her if she still had mine and we exchanged them over dinner with her husband sitting on the train on my way home i was instantly sober when i read what id written back then it was such vain nonsense and thats what gave me the idea for this book and i had so much fun writing it as enjoy a bowl as it was relaxing with me she further relaxation here thank you for your time. Your remarks this week. The king of rock n roll celebrated in bass now heinecke. The mother of all sandals spotted in athens. And the giants of the public well in the streets of tehran. The moment next couple. Of the. From st child in nairobi to teacher in hamburg. 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