A kind original artifacts that makes the smithsonian aviation collection so important and why you need to see it. And we are back live outside the Smithsonian National air and space museum located along the national malin washington, d. C. I was on this date 40 years ago that president gerald ford dedicated this museum, the most popular among the smithsonian. And inside, among the displays, america by air from our earliest days of flight aviation with air transportation and mail carrier to the jet age of the 1950s through today. Space operations and missiles, its all here. And i want to share an article that was in the Washington Post earlier this week on the spirit of st. Louis, one of the iconic planes that Charles Lindbergh had. Its been in the news because of some of the findings and notes on the plane when it was refurbished back in 1975. Jeremy kinney is joining us, the curator. Talk to us about the spirit of st. Louis. And the interesting things that youve found over the last year or so. A true milestone of flight. Charles lindbergh makes that epic transatlantic flight in may 1927 and its always been a signature artifact of the smithsonian, since the building opened in 1976. So this opportunity to redo this gallery, the milestones of flight gallery, looking at this airplane and seeing the elements that are left by the people who made the airplane, the people at Ryan Airlines in san diego, the flags from the tour of europe as well as latin america and the markings of the unit. So you see these people making contact with lindbergh and being part of this great story of aviation in the 1920s. You showned us some of the artifacts on display here. Your own background, why are you so interested in this area . Ive always been interested in aviation history. Growing up it was all about old airplanes. And i found an opportunity to study history and it was a passion that i had that i was able to cultivate and study and work hard and i ended up at the smithsonian. Im going to ask you what is probably an impossible question. Was there a turning point or turning points in americas aviation history . We have to look at two eras, the era of the propeller driven airplane up to world war ii. Lindbergh is a turning point, he really shows people that aviation is possible. After that the invention of the jet engine. You see the moment to increase the popularity of jet air travel and almost anyone can travel anywhere in the world as a result of that. You get a new display, no plane, new flight plan, where does it all awe go . How do you find space for it all . Thats always the challenge, the large artifacts, the airplanes, the spacecraft take up a lot of space. We have the National Mall building, almost 100 big artifacts here. We have the center out near Dulles International airport. And we have a lot of items on loan or in storage. But the history of the flight is always developing and evolving. We have to think, whats the next big object were going to collect. 2027488901 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zone. Our guest here is jeremy kinney, the curator. Were coming to you today because of the importance of today 40 years ago. The opening of the national air and space museum on the mall. This is the first time that a major museum has been dedicated to the story of air and space. Its an immensely popular activity for people visiting to come to the air and space museum. Do you have a favorite exhibit . Probably the one im most currently working on. The pioneers of flight gallery, my favorite because of the curtis r3c object. But im working on the new speed gallery opening in a few years as part of our transformation. We cant see it right now but behind me is some early Computer Technology, i say early, 1960s, early 1970s as theyre trying to intercept some of the technology from space by russia. And its just fascinating because its a big bulky computer. Weve grown and changed. That is part of the story of aviation as well, isnt it . Yes, collecting data. Theres always a race. There was a race in the 1920s and 30s between europe and the United States. In the cold war you have technology being driven by the need for information and the technology being driven to compete. Who is going to get to the moon first. And what about Computer Technology . Thats going along for the ride. Thats a byproduct of the need to push the technology to reach hes new challenges. And in many ways with the miniaturization that you need influences the development of Computer Technology. Wayne is joining us from georgia. Thanks for being with us. Go ahead, please. Caller thank you, sir. Happy july 4th. I was wondering if the movie with Jimmy Stewart was anything like this actual flight of Charles Lindbergh. The billy wilder film which is based on lindberghs autobiography comes out in 1957 is based on that book. And its a story that follows the book pretty well, but its also changed for dramatic hollywood effects. For example, the fly that you see in the cabin as lindbergh is crossing the atlantic, thats a cinematic invention. But its also the story of how he goes through those stages, going back and forth between the flight as well as creating the airplane, that back story, especially as a barn stormer and a mail pilot. That is true and part of the story. A very accurate film. Jimmy stewart was a big fan of Charles Lindbergh and wanted to be in the film. In many ways the accuracy is there because theyre passionate about the story of Charles Lindbergh. The wright brothers, Charles Lindbergh but there are others not so well known. Who are they . Aviation is a story of people and communities. And so looking at we have these big names, amelia earhart, Charles Lindbergh, Jimmy Doolittle. But you have the engineers that come out. The curtis racer that you saw on the tour, we knew that Jimmy Doolittle flew it. But siras is an unknown person from the 20s and 30s but was considered the best pilot in america when he flew that plane but he died young, probably two years later in a crash. So he disappears from history when he would have been just as famous, but he died in a plane crash. We began our conversation talking about america by air. I wonder if you could take a step back and explain the significance of commercial air transportation to the u. S. , to the world, to the economy. Well, you know, this great connection and story between the United States and commercial aviation is there. Its the great distances of the american continent. You know, the 48 states, trying to connect the continent by air drives a lot of the technology in terms of the Long Distance reliability, the aptitude, the speed. That really shapes the technology and becomes a major industry connected between the people who carry mail and cargo and passengers and the people who make the airplanes and that really drives the technology. It really puts the United States on the ground floor of this World Aviation industry where the United States is a preeminent member of the community. Born and raised in North Carolina where did you go to college and where did you learn about all of this . I went to Greensboro College but i went to Auburn University for any graduate degrees. That is a place you could go and study at the graduate level. I had professors who cultivated that and that enabled me to come to the Smithsonian National and air and space museum where im a curator since 2000. If history is the story of the United States and this is the story of aviation, what is the story here at the museum . The story of the air and space museum is to share with visitors from the United States as well as the rest of the world this epic story of how man went into the third dimension and the idea of creating technology and having the vision to create flying machines that could carry people, could carry weapons, but also trigger the imagination and stimulate passion for technology. So this is a history of science and technology museum. Its directly connected to american history, european history and all of those levels are interconnected. But the story of how man overcame the challenge of getting into the air is the primary story of the museum. As the museum prepares to reopen for an allnight celebration, earlier as you walk through and see young families and young kids look up in awe at these spacecrafts, the lunar module, what do you think when you see the young people look in inspiration and awe . I really like to see the connection between visitors and artifacts whether you have a parent and a grandparent or a child showing their parents and grandparents, look at that technology. And look at that capsule, look at that airplane. I read about that in school. I saw that in a movie or i know who this person is. These connections that visitors have, whether its the wright brothers, the idea of two brothers inventing the technology, the idea of military aviation in world war ii, so Many Americans have the connection to today as well as commercial aviation, everyone flies, these connections are really exciting to see how people connect with those technologies and see the first of the people who are important in the storying, represented in this museum. How often do you see a military pilot or a commercial pilot who says, i used to be in one of those. A lot. Its those personal connections that are astounding for me. I came up through an interest in aviation but i really didnt have the personal connection. You say wow, these people flew these objects, they had a connection, operated them. Do you fly yourself . I do not. I saw history as my opportunity to learn about aviation. I have some other hobbies that i do. Lets go to mike joining us from delaware. Were live here on cspan3s history tv in washington, d. C. 40 years old this weekend. Go ahead. Caller very interesting. I was there 15 on 20 years ago. I need to get another trip back there. In any event, kind of a twopart question, how do new artifacts get into the museum . Do you folks go and look for things or do people on the outside want to donate that kind of a thing . And also, i guess, whats on the drawing board now . Maybe by way of example you could answer the question by what do you have on the board now that youre trying to get into the museum. Mike, thanks for the call. First new artifacts. Its a great question. Its a story of how the people connect with the museum in their own personal ways. Primarily the way the museum has gotten their artifacts is transfers from the National Government as well as individuals contacting us. Can be a cold call, an email from the website, another curator or staff member. People contact us in a variety of ways to offer their stories to the museum. Once a curator identifies the object, we take it to the collections committee, we fill out the paperwork, we have to argue for the artifact. And once it passes muster, it can come into the collection. But theres a full vetting between curators, collections personnel, conservators. We discuss and argue for the artifacts. An example of an artifact thats coming on the horizon for us, one of the collections i curate is the air racing. Theres a nemesis nxt that were having come in the fall thats going to go on display. Its the worlds fastest airplane thats built from a kit, 400 Miles Per Hour. So it tells the story of individual initiative, hightechnology and especially its produced by an air racing team and pilot and designer. These are the stories that we want to share with the American Public and the rest of the world and its a way that we have to fully vet and justify the technology, the artifacts coming into the museum. Are there other museums like this elsewhere in the world . There are other National Museums in the u. S. And the rest of the world. We have our National Military museums, the National Museum of air force, National Museum of aviation, Seattle Museum of flight. But you have a National Museums outside of paris. The imperial war museum, the science museum, the rf museum in england. You have these museums that are looking at aviation especially from the National Stories of the country that theyre in and they have some pretty impressive artifacts as well in their collection. Were talking about the renovations that will be under way over the next six to seven years. When we come back in 2022 or 2023, whats going to change . Its going to be a completely changed museum. The idea is to really reinterpret, represent the history of flight. And to do that in ways that really stimulate early 21st century audiences. And so looking at military aviation a different way, looking at the development of civilian and commercial aviation, looking at space, the idea of where the planets, whats the idea of earth in our story of human kind. So its going to be very bold but the idea is to present a new take on aerospace history. As our current generation of curators. Were excited. Lets hear from kevin joining us from North Carolina. Go ahead with your question or comment. Kevin . Caller yes, sir. I was wondering what maybe of a static display about the b36 and the 47, because theyre so large and your space constraints. Do you have any plans of having kind of like a small display of the history of those airplanes . So kevin was asking about the b the consolidated b 36 bomber and the boeing b 47 which are two very important cold war bombers. We dont have examples of those in the collection. The National Museum of the air force does, as well as some other air force museums do. We due to size constraints and the fact that theyre covered in other museums, we dont have any plans to do anything with those aircraft, but you never know. But at this time we havent collected one for our collection. We have a caller from michigan. Mike, go ahead, please. Mike, go ahead, in michigan. Well try one more time for mike in michigan if youre there. How many people work with you as a curator . Its a team. We have curators, we have a dozen in the aeronautics and space history division. We have an entire team of collections and preservation and restoration. About 150 employees i think total on the staff and they all interact in some way. One thing that weve really expanded is this idea of outreach. Weve been doing our s. T. E. M. 30 programs, a lot of ways to reach outside the museum to connect with visitors from around the world. Lets hear from dan who is joining us from kentucky. Dan, if youre on the air, we would love to hear from you. Go ahead with your question. Caller yes. This is a twopart question. I was wondering about what was the fastest the sr71 was ever flown and who flew it. A little bit of feedback but the fastest it was flown, do you know . So as i heard the question is was the sr 71 the fastest . It is the fastest airplane with air breathes engines. The air breathing engine is the key. The fastest man carrying object is the mach 4 airplane. But the sr71 itself, for example the one we have in our collection, its a 2,000mileperhour airplane, goes up to 3,000. And its delivery flight to the air and space museum in the early 1990s, it broke a intercontinental speed record in under two hours. This is a fast plane. One interesting thing is that we dont really connect people specifically with that airplane. But we have pilots who flew sr71s that give tours of our museum, such as buzz carpenter. These are the air force pilots that flew them in the late 20th century as those strategic reconnaissances pilots. Logan in florida, youre next. Go ahead, please. Caller hi. I wanted to know what the relationship between Scott Crossfield and chuck yeager was during the age of trying to break the sound barrier. Logan, how old are you, by the way . Caller huh . How old are you, logan . Caller im nine. Youre interested in aviation . Caller yes. Thank you for the call. Maybe a future curator. Thank you for your question. So chalk yager, first man to fly faster than the speed of sound. Scott crossfield is the pilot who flew for north american. We know him best through looking at the f16. But in the early 50s its chuck yeager and Scott Crossfield duelling on these mach one, mach two planes. So theyre competitors. And thats one of the interesting and dynamic things about pilots, especially in the 1950s. Theyre hyper competitive. They want to see who is the best and really outdo each other. Theyre a great example of that. If people are interested in studying aviation history, obviously you have done your research, where are some of the leading institutions in this country . In a lot of ways you can go to a focused program like auburn had or you could go to any first rate graduate school. And you can study history and as part of your theme, you can put aviation into the story. So weve had through your Fellowship Program weve had students from yale, princeton, the other ivy league schools. So you can tailor your History Program at the graduate level to fit what you want. But it falls down to your own initiative, what youre writing about and how lucky you are in terms of getting the original idea out there. Send us a tweet at cspan history. This is from one viewer. The question is before 1976, before the building open, where was it stored . So the spirit of st. Louis came to the smithsonian in 1928 and it was stored on display in the arts and Industries Building where it was hanging over the traditional oak and glass cases, other objects, not just aviation artifacts. It was there more or less over the years. But in a lot of ways, this building was intended to put the spirit of st. Louis in that very important spot in the milestones flight gallery to display it. Im going the have you think about this as we listen to dave from new york. But what questions, what things are unanswered in terms of aviation history. Think about that. Lets go to dave in new york. Go ahead, please. Caller just had a question, two questions actually. I visited the museum in 1976 and i remember it very well when it first opened. How have the artifacts have any of them degraded over the past 40 years . Thats my first question. The second question is what is on your most wanted list as far as things you want to collect . Those are great questions. Thank you. The first question, have objects degraded, you know, in the museum since it opened. Yes. Thats the short answer. And its just the objects get old and they do break down. And so in terms of we take these opportunities like the boeing milestones of flight gallery to reassess and address things that have been happening to the artifacts. The spirit of st. Louis is a great example. Weve had things that weve taken out that the Museum Standards of 1970 werent up to par with the Museum Standards today. Its constantly evolving, a constant battle to keep the artifacts and safe and stable. And yet no shortage of visitors. Going to your home state of North Carolina, ted is next. Go ahead, please. Caller first i want to express my appreciation. I was just at the indoctrination of the first coast guard aircraft out there, the helicopter. I happened to be one of those guys who used to fly it. It was really neat to watch it, see how its displayed. You did an outstanding job on that. I was wondering if theres any additional thought about continuing some additional history of the coast guard aviation, like hurricane rescues, new orleans rescue, things of that sort. Were at the u. S. Coast guard aviation centennial this year. Its an exciting opportunity for us to display the helicopter. So i think as we expand our idea about what constitutes aviation history and especially military history, we will look at how we could incorporate stories like the coast guard in them. I cant speak to if we have any plans beyond what weve done this summer. But thats always a dynamic topic. And i have to say that some of our Staff Members are former coasties and theyll take any chance they can to talk about coast guard aviation. Theyre very proud of it. Chris from massachusetts, youre next tom thank for being with us. Caller jeremy, hello. Can you hear me . We sure can. Caller its price seen, so beautiful. That aircraft was so influential on american aviation, the b47, a lot of the designs came from that airplane. My question i wanted to ask about, was the m163. Does the museum have one . Yes, its a rocket glider, and theres one on display in its original condition. You can head out there and see it anytime you like. Next call is jeff in nevada. Thank you for being with us. Were talking to jeremy kenny, the curator here at the national air and space museum in washington, d. C. Caller first i would like to say that you probably have the best job on the planet. And my congratulation to you for acquiring it. With the renovation thats coming up here, you say its going to be what, a fiveyear thing. Are people still going to be able to come into the museum and understand, you know, what you have there as you switch things around . The goal for the renovation of the museum is to close it in stages. So there will always be a part of the museum thats open so that way visitors can see exhibits, experience the air and space museum on the National Mall. And so theres galleries such as speed, earth will be opening and closing as we go along through the successive stages. This will be a phased renovation. There will always be something open. Jay is next joining us from pennsylvania. Go ahead with your question or comment. Caller i wanted to know about the bell x1 and the man that broke the speed record for sound and how fast was it going. So the bell x1 is the airplane that first breaks the speed of sound. Its flown by chuck yager. Hes a former Fighter Pilot in europe during world war ii. Hes an ace. And he become as test pilot in the high desert of california, what becomes Edwards Air Force base. This is the First Research airplane. The x 15, i talked about this as this idea, this partnership between the u. S. Air force, the National Advisory committee for aeronautics, and bell aircraft. The whole premise of the aircraft is to investigation the super sonic regime. He nice he flies 714 Miles Per Hour and breaks the mythical sound barrier and initiates the thinking and the ideas of what becomes the jet age of the 50s and 60s. So what are your questions . What are the unknowns . What answers are you looking for . Aviation is a very interesting topic to be studying right now because in a lot of ways, you know, weve gone through the hundred years. Well pass that after the flight of wright brothers. Many people said the story has been told, its a mature technology. Nowhere else you can go with that. Whats fascinating to me is what are the next steps and how will that be traced as an historical evolution today. Are we watching the first super sonic jet taking flight . Are they going to lead to aircraft that will enable you to fly from new york to tokyo in two and a half hours . How are are we going to track that that . Are we seeing the technologies and the ideas being formulated now. Thats a big question for me. What about private billionaire Entrepreneur Mission to space . Thats a major impetus in aviation history, especially with space x and all of that. But yeah, it was to stimulate aviation and promote harmony. So these ideas of entrepreneurs providing funding or Building Companies with new innovation is part of the idea of pushing the envelope of technology. John is next in massachusetts. Go ahead, please. Caller hello . Yes, john. Go ahead. Caller i was at the air and space museum a few weeks ago, actually both of them. I was very impressed with what was there. I want to thank everyone for what theyve done. My question is will they be expanding at some point the world war ii section thats there . Its a great question because world war ii is this major story in aviation that people just draws people to it. The current gallery today, its the original gallery from 1976 and it was made by people who flew Fighter Airplanes in world war i, i mean, people who were in world war ii. So the reference there is that people know what theyre seeing. So now were looking at through this transformation of the museum, were going to do a new world war ii gallery. Were going to combine the sea, air world war ii and provide a larger contextual story. The goal is to present for new visitors and heres the scary thing. This gallery opens in 2023. 2039 is the 100 anniversary of world war ii. Were thinking about preparing for that. We want to do this story right. We want to tell the stories of people, technologies, events in a way that really gauges all levels of visitors, ages, backgrounds, wherever they come from in the world. Rick, you get the last call in the segment, from wisconsin. Good evening. Caller my name is rick, calling from madison, wisconsin. I have two comments to make. The first one is i really appreciate your show. I think its great, especially seeing all of the artifacts that you have. And my question is do you think that there are many items missing from your display, and how many do you think that you have money to purchase over the next few years . As part of our professional duties, we have whats called a collections rationale. And it actually lists the objects that we have, discusses why theyre important and also says what we need, what are the new objects that we what we would take. So it can range from a complete airplane like a boeing b 17 from world war ii to part of an airplane, such as a drop tank. So a b 51 mustang used drop tanks to fly to europe in world war ii, a critical element in this story. We do not have a drop tank. Were looking for one. Those are the kinds of objects we want to improve our displays as well as to record the story of the technology, the people and the events