Welcome to all of you whether youre in person or online. Its my pleasure to be able to host this on behalf of the Heritage Foundation. I am thee, director here which s the center at Heritage Foundation that enables issue of life and this is a historic week obviously. In fact, i cant imagine a better time for us to host this event than the one we have this money. I want to make it we are cohosting this with a friend at the National Review institute and the ethic and Public Policy center. So thanks for joining us. So we are packed with a discussion about this brandnew book as i know you all know about this but its a brandnew book by Ryan Anderson and alexandra desanctus. So afterwards for those of you who are here in person feel free if we a have copies of the book for sale you can get them signel and you can actually talk to the authors as well but let me very briefly introduced our panel and then ill handed over to the very first art moderate this tmorning is kathryn jean lopez, senior fellow at the National Review institute where she directs the center for religion culture and civil society. Shes also editor at Large National work queue and is that on the medical staff of National Work queue since 1997 so kathryn i assume i assume you must have started as a College Intern given that. Shes published widely in catholic publication is also a National Syndicated columnist with universal. Shes author of a visionary wisdom for daily living and speaks frequently on faith n public life virtue and prayer. Ryan anderson is the president of the ethics and Public Policy center and also the Founding Editor of the Public Discourse to the online journal of the Witherspoon Institute and also its not in his bio but he was my predecessor here at the Heritage Foundation for many years. He is author or coauthor of five books includingng this brandnew book tearing us apart but his previous book test the distinction of being banned from and is on is when harry became sally, respond to the transgender moment. His research has been cited by two Supreme Court justices, Justice Alito and Justice Thomas in two Supreme Court cases. Alexandra desanctus is a visiting fellow at the ethics and Public Policy center where she covers abortion policy and the Prolife Movement is most of the key topics at the intersection of politics, culture and religion. Shes also a staff writer at the National Review institute andg does reporting for the National Review print magazine as well as National Review online. s a 2016 graduate of the university of notre dame and coauthor with Ryan Anderson of this terrific new book, please welcome our panelists. Thank you all for joining us. I am still cant quite believe this is the first monday after row and yeah, we couldnt have a timely or discussion. Obviously i am were gonna talk a little bit about dobbs obviousl and obviously, up top, but i have to share, the title of this book is tearing us apart, abortion solves nothing. And i was outside of a planned parenthood witness for life 15 years outside of planned parenthood. People the rosary across the street. And they protest our prayer, theyve gotten to know me. One morning they come up to me and thank you for joining us, what are you going to blame on abortion in the National Review today. And oh, they read us. And through the book, there is hope that we can convert hearts and minds, even those who are most hostile. So, ryan, can i start with you, what were your first thoughts and as youve been processing what happened. Of course, we knew that that would probably happen, you find of took a gamble that would happen on this book. This book is a handbook for postroe america, the timing be better. Whoa they asked 15 weeks of life in the womb they asked to overturn roe and thats a bold move. They deserve a lot of credit for doing what conventional wisdom told him to do. And told them to go roberts, 15 weeks. We are counting to five, five votes to do it and i think that conservatives were burned so many times by the court, et cetera cautious hope. With the Supreme Court, after 50 years. Even after the leak, this is great, but you know, theres a chance that the chief pulls over someone to his opinion. Friday morning at 10 10, the blog refreshing and i guess the Supreme Courts website was refreshing, it was great and its happening. It isnt Charlie Brown when the football is pulled away one more time, but it was a sense of, well, now, we have to work that much harder. Overturning roe was a preliminary step and give thanks to the prolife scholars and activists who make this moment possible and be cognizant there are people whose names will never be celebrated. People who wavered largely unknown to us and kept, one, this cause alive and two laid the foundation. And every argument dan and i have in the boots, books. Those are the people were building off of. At first its a moment of relief that it happened. Gratitude and now weve got to get to work. Right. Alexandria, i have to explain if you dont follow her i was so grateful when you came on board at the National Review, i never have to read a planned parenthood again. And youre on that. And kate smith from abc or cbs. Cbs and you doggedly followed her reporting and said shes doing planned parenthoods pr. And now shes actually working for them. Thank you for helping her. And not surprising in the sense we knew it was coming for a long time and shocking that it actually was over when i was growing up, ive been prolife my whole life and doing this work for six years, a microcosm for what people in the movement have been doing, but never felt real in my life this might be over, and hasnt sunk in, and wow, roe is actually over and its momentous and feels anticlimatic and abortion is not over today because roe is gone, but certainly, yeah, the gratitude for people that will never hear about or know. And thats why were here, we know the big names and those people are important, but all the work has been done at the grass roots level that we wont hear about and thats important to keep in mind. And that point that you make is so essential, that abortions have not ended in america and there are some states where trigger laws are now in place and whatnot, but also the reality is, there are pills by mail and abortions are still happening in america, and in states like my own new york were going to have more abortions. Our governor wants us to be an abortion destination, what a wonderful goal for a state. One of the things that gives me hope is that polling, as you go into, makes clear, consistently, people dont know what roe is, all three trimesters of abortion and people with pro choice they want to know women in tough situations have options and not wearing stickers as i got into union station, people leaving rally, and abortion on demand without apology. Thats not most people for abortion in america. If we can get past the media and mob, get the facts of the book and make sure of them. What gives you hope . Start with ann. Remembering what we see and hear from the proabortion movement is not where people are. Its hard to remember that because all we hear about, seven in 10 americans support roe how could the court do that and see the pictures of the angriest pictures outside of the Supreme Court and see the pictures of the destruction at Pregnancy Resource Centers and proabortion are perpetrating. Ive have people who disagree me are worried about women. And part of this book brought to mind, taking of human life, thats not good for anybody. While thats a depressing thought and we have a lot to do to convince people. If you say women are worried about this, women need this. And i say actually this isnt good for women and sincere if they want legal abortion because they are worried about women, then were winnable. If theyre open minded caring about women and for everybody in our society. Theyre winnable and probably more than they have to offer. And you get into it how its bad for women, physically and mentally and one of the things this book makes cheer and these are historic relics and we have the end row issue of National Review where we go into bad science, bad law, bad history, bad for women. And children die in the midst of this. What good is there in this. Can you talk about some of the most important points in that realm . Sure. So i would say the most important area, i guess this is the Second Chapter of the book how abortion harms women, is the overarching like world view that it puts forward. Even the surgical horms of surgical abortion and two to three time the rate of the chemical abortion. And greater than the regret and the emotional and psychological harm, i would say the way in witch abortion as equality, the Ruth Bader Ginsburg argument, the male way of being human and embodiment is taken as the norman my wifes way of being human is somehow an effective way of my version of being humid and we structure our Higher Education system and our employment system our economy and our culture about my body being normal and her body being somehow dysfunctional. For her to be equal to me she needs to sterilize her body and if its sterile, destroy the child. Rather than doing what the original williams rights, and where alexandra and i, and we look at a quality of sameness and laws and cultural systems, social systems to take each way of being human equally seriously and structuring society around the equal dignity of the female way of being human. Aspen as penance for my sins, he makes me listen to the new york podcast daily and they interviewed four different workers at Abortion Clinics shut down on friday because of the roe decision the Dobbs Decision overturning roe and it was tragic listening to this. They really believe that they are now unable to help women experiencing unplanned or crisis pregnancies, and you know, some of them broke up during the podcast episode saying you know, i felt so bad. Theres nothing i could do to help this woman. All i could do is give her the name and phone number of an out of state Abortion Clinic and not once its a half hour long podcast interviewing four different employees of Abortion Clinics, not once did they say, we could help these women choose life. We could help give them other options to this and just has tragic it is for the past 49 1 2 years, roe has built up a entire injust social instructs which womens equality means access to abortion. One thing that gives me hope, people who have been making these arguments like erica so long, they have greater purchase. And jan crawford are saying, are you saying abortion is bad for women . And her response, yes, exactly what im saying. As if this is shocking, a new revelation and hearing it for the first time, but theyre hearing it for the first time and thats the importance of what we have to do and what the court did last friday was open up the space for us to now persuade our neighbors and then to pass laws that will protect both babies and mothers. And we need to be very calm and patient, knowing that even though weve been hearing and making these arguments our entire life, other people are hearing it for the first time. I was struck watching another sunday show by how preposterous, the prolife views seemed to be around the table except for peggy newnan. Xan what gives you hope . When we worked on the introduction we put a heavy emphasis we said all of this is important because life is good. And i said, this is depressing, its not the grim march through abortion and the lies, but thats what the book is, but we know fundamentally that life is good, but i dont know, besides kind of the winnability of the arguments, i dont know much that gives me hope and people listening now, and i think things feel lighter and more open that we kind of have the chance to make the case that we have and row being gone is a good thing because our laws can be changed now. But its good because the other side cant point to it and you see the case when you make the prolife argument, the other side would say its the law of the land. And they might say it used to be the law of the land and thats going to fade away and people coming to the table from the other side making their best case, and they dont have a good one and the best case is the law of the land and they cant say that. The fact that that is a new conversation is a good sign for us or a good opening for us. Robbie, george from princeton, your mentor, was on twitter or facebook or something this weekend talking about being at a colleagues house and hes pro choice. I saw that. And she hadother refrigerator her grandchilds ultrasound so they were able to have a conversation just based on the humanity, the obvious humanity there, outside of a context of a political debate. And that is where we need people because politics and media are not our friends on this issue necessarily and obviously, we have to have policy and political debates, but its the place of pouring salt on wounds too often, unfortunately. So the more we can leverage relationships, to have longterm, you know, efforts to persuade, the better. In the book en i found this helpful, being reminded, well, the deep concern of a woman bearing an unwanted child merits consideration and sympathy, its my personal feeling that legalization of abortion on demand is not equal to human life. I believe that human life at earliest stages has the right to be born, right to love, right to grow old. When history looks back at this error should recognize this generation as one that cared about human beings enough to halt the practice, to provide a decent living for every family fulfill the responsibility for children from the moment of conception, that was not henry hines. Would you like to tell us who that was, ryan . Sure, that was senator ted kennedy, the prolife catholic senator ted kennedy before he evolved on that issue before thats the question you know the question. Yes, the context in which we quote that, thats a letter from senator kennedy back in 19, i think 71 to one of his constituents explaining why hes prolife. And its because he was in favor of the little guy. Defending the little guy. At one time the Democratic Party, and catholics democrats were not looking in favor of the big guy, were the little guy and who is the smallest, one by one theyve caved, evolved. Joe biden, dick durbin i mean, joe biden in 1982 we cite this in the book, the hatch amendment which would have more or less done what dobbs did this past friday is return the question to the states. Thats what the hatch amendment which he voted discharge to get it out of committee. Its just, its sad, its tragic, especially some of these elected officials are nearing their i pray for their eternal souls, what they have done for the sake of Political Office undermining a basic moral truth. Right. The basic moral truth about the value of that life in the womb made in the image and likeness of god and to throw that away just for Political Office. What we point out is how much bet would our politics in the United States be if prolife voters had a meaningful choice between two parties, neither of which was committed to a fundamental injustice. Now, im conservative on other issues so we can debate on the merits, why vote one oye war the other. But it would be healthy if neither was committed to political injustice. And that would be based on merits, but so many voters feel hostage to that Political Party and they had taken them for granted and another thing that were going to enter into, you can no longer say im against roe v. Wade and ill vote to justices. And now what are you going to do . What legislation are you going to put forward and vote for. Those to protect the child in the womb and assist the mother . I think this is a put up or shut up moment for the Republican Party and any of us who work in d. C. Know who are the republican elected officials who campaign on prolife, get to d. C. And not only do nothing, actively undermine the cause in the meanings of leadership and various Officials Say dont bring that to a vote. Now its time to xer moral leadership on these issues and well discover its popular with voters. The public polls. There was a stupid tweet over the weekend from the president of france, and on dobbs. And thats at 15 weeks and france is at 12. France is apparently more regressive, its ridiculous. And as more and more of our voters discover that, its of the i think 42 european nations that allow abortion, 39 of the 42 have laws more protective than the mississippi law. 15 weeks or earlier, 32 of the 49 that allow abortion. Were the outliar. Along with china and we dont want to end up like europe, in the United States to have germany and frances abortion laws, considering that its i think its 92 of all abortions take place before 15 weeks, thats not really an acceptable outcome either. These are starting points to the eventual goal of every life being protected in law and welcomed in life and thats the goal. And incrementalism has to be at the service of that goal. The reason why the ted kennedy quote gives me hope. Hopefully when he went to his maker, he repented. The ones who are still around still have an opportunity. And they know better, you know . And science and Everything Else knows better and dont tell me that they dont enjoy their grandchildrens ultrasounds because of course they do. That having been said, kathy hochul her first tweets in the reaction to the leak of the Dobbs Decision to bemoan she has to fight for her innocent granddaughters right to choose. Youre seriously thinking of your granddaughter to have an abortion and what if your daughter had chosen. But, dan, can you talk a little about do you have hopes for the Democratic Party . And youve written in the book, you talk about dan lipinski who wrote xman and voted, it was primied out of congress. Can you talk about the democrats . Is there any hope there. I like that letter in particular and there are a lot of examples of this ive thought about and i think my dad was the first one who and i should give him credit for this. If you look at the catholic prolife democrats, iterations why they were prolife preroe and that letter, for example. And the identity of the unborn child and then they flip flopped and none of them said ive looked at the science and said i dont think these are human beings anymore. And theyve evolved, ive thought about it, this is a womans right to choose, a government shouldnt get in between a woman and her doctor or a political euphemism. And they never said ive changed my mind that this isnt a human being. It shows the callusness of what they did and what they thought initially was true and they know that. A couple of months ago when biden was asked about, he used the phrase abort a child. He knows he did it again on friday. Something is probably not right with people, inside he knows its a child. And we all know what it is in some sense even people who flipflop for political reasons. In terms of hope for the party, i think i dont know, i kind of wonder how things will shake out and i think there will be different political incentives, and i dont know, i dont have a ton of hope with the national Democratic Party tomorrow, but i do have hope that kind of the vice grip of planned parenthood and the Democratic Party is different than it used to be and democrats in louisiana have political clout than they once did, right . And whats happening in states is whats more important in terms of abortion law and that doesnt mean theres nothing to do at the federal level, but what nancy pelosi says about abortion has a lot less power. Maybe theres more room for democrats to be honest about it with themselves and kind of loosened the vice grip on their shoulders from these abortion group. Over the weekend when im in an uber, its become like a confessional and the driver starts talking to me. On saturday, he. Are you the confessor or the confessee . Im the confessor, if we have priests in the audience dont worry. He talked about demonstrators in town and how, he doesnt he doesnt get why theyre so mad because we dont really need abortion. The 20something black man from baltimore. And he said, i got into a lot of trouble with my mother talking about this, but if people were not just randomly hooking up, we wouldnt need abortion and if they waited until theyre in love they wouldnt need abortion and the women in my life say im wrong and i said, sir, we need more men like you. And ryan, could you talk on that, youve been prolife as long as ive known you and longer than that and ive known you since you were an undergraduate. How has being a father changed you and do speak about the responsibility of men this this. Great questions. And i would say what changed when i became a father not the underlying truth, but what it is im convicteden this issue, it was just how deeply convicted. Right . The first time you see that ultrasound and its just your child. I was here last week for something that heritage did and you know, i mentioned when i first saw his face, i didnt know his face yet, because the first time youre seeing the 12week ultrasound you dont know which end is which, but it was him all the same. Thats exactly what a 12 week old human being looks like. And the ultrasound technician, and got the order backward. And thats your babys heartbeat and the first thing trying to do is check for the heartbeat to make sure the baby is flourishing. And they never say fetus, or and never said she was a birthing person. No, she was a mother. And it all makes it just more impactful, like deeper. Because theres like an emotional level, very cognitive. Ive read probably tens of thousands of pages on both sides of the abortion issue. My first job out of princeton was as robbie georges Research Assistant for a book, he was writing embryo and i opened up some of the Research Briefs i wrote for him back in june of 2004 as we were drafting some of the chapters of this book because they were relevant. It didnt change my viewpoint, it made it more impactful, but the question, the role of father, the role of men, i think this is where this book intersects with some of the work that ive done on the marriage debate and human sexuality. I do not think we ultimately build a culture life unless we also restore a marriage culture and part of that, a sound understanding of human sexuality. Im talking off the cuff here, i think the statistic, 3 of the abortions are 3 of abortions are from married mothers, that the safest place to be if youre conceived is inside of marriage. Marriage helps protect that mother and i first heard this from her and the way that you get men and women to commit to children, commit to each other first. And thats why marriage is so important. We can have the best pro family policy in terms of paid family leave and prenatal Child Support and child and if we dont actually solve the cultural problem of getting men and women to commit to each other, and stay committed in marriage and having people understand that sex is more marriage, its not recreational activity, the way that your uber driver also understands, i think it needs to be both that we need to respond to the sexuality revolution in totality and respond to abortion, which is something that fueled the sexual revolution, but also something that then became necessary because of the sexual revolution, a sim biotic relationship there. We need to be hole list holistic in their response. And they said roe, everybody has been adjusted to it and you talk about the culture, one thing im affected by if you spend time outside of abortion classes, middle chas women exercising their empowerment, its 17yearold black girls are what i meet the most in new york city forced by their mothers, im thinking one in particular was afraid to tell the boyfriend, and anyway, i think about those girls, you think about the pop culture, and the music is telling women, use or be used. You know, youve got it use him first. And you know, theyre not taught about abstinence, thats unheard of, you could never do that, you know, the poor guy with the uber with the women telling him hes crazy. Can you talk a little about the culture and do you see any bright spots . Keep asking me for hope. I know, i know. [laughter] ask ryan about his hope. Thats interesting. Im trying to get you to be more hopeful. Ill see if i can get there. I have some thoughts about this, the reaction from the instagram from my age demographic is appalling. Where are these people coming from all of the women my age think that their rights have been taken and its important to get to the bottom of it. We have an anecdote in the book that spokes very much what you were saying about the Abortion Clinics and i spoke to christina bennett, you probably know her, who has done many things for the Prolife Movement and outside of Pregnancy Centers primarily in connecticut most recently and told me the story how there was a proabortion group that handed out candles and that abortion is magical. If i were to take one of the candles and try to hand them out to the girls going into the clinic. None of them want that, theyre getting abortions, they have kids at home cant put food on the table, their partner, this is not a wonderful choice thats good for them and thats by and large the story of abortion and we hear a different story, its great there are 80 of planned parenthood clinics in low income neighborhoods. And thats not a good thing. We have work do do, thats not to build more Abortion Clinics. This is fueled by the underlying assumption that freedom is participation and sex at any point with anybody no consequences. Men can do that . Thats what were all doing, and assuming thats what life is about. And men can do that and walk away. Overturn roe v. Wade, and they cant walk away and our colleague ericas work. Walking away is violence against their own child and its plenty bad for a man to walk away and abandon his child, but the woman thats an act of violent, choose that so she can participate in the fun culture that men have. Thats helpful in some ways, we can change the laws and get through to people a little bit more, but i think that unravelling it is a really, really big task and its hard to get to the root of that kind of dysfunction. Story telling is so important and thank you for doing that at National Review. Even in recent days, there is a Washington Post piece about this teenage girl who couldnt have an abortion in texas, yeah, the writers clearly wanted us to be outraged that this poor girl has twins now and she and her boyfriend are making it work and there are pictures of them and theyre adorable and were supposed to want those babies to be dead. And i think because of this reality that you speak to, alexandra, theres sinceity here, but the more its out in the open and a matter for debate, theyre telling the story for us without realizing it. Its quite amazing. Ryan, i wanted to ask you i think thats a cause for hope. Totally, totally. When i saw that Washington Post story i thought despite their best efforts, this is having the exact opposite impact on readers than what they likely intended it to have. Right. And you know, burgess frequent collaborator, of mine, and i dont know if its on scotus blog. The last paragraph struck me as a fine of hope. He said, right now, there are babies alive who were scheduled to be aborted on friday afternoon, but werent because of the Dobbs Decision and a year from thousand those babies will be making the transmission from milk to solid foods and two years from now those babies will be learning to walk and to talk, and he just goes through the litany of all the life progression and all because of what the court did this past friday, right . Because already i think its the 12 states that have had laws that already are being enforced protecting unborn babies and 12 states theres like a 30day waiting period and the attorney general has to certify and those laws, lives are being saved and i think those lives will then be a witness to life. When something in the Washington Post news story happened, its within their communities, within their families. This was a baby was scheduled to abort and i didnt and now, a year later, two years, im so glad i didnt, right . I think many of the things that are greatest blessings in our lives are things we didnt choose for ourselves, we didnt necessarily consent to, might have actively been opposed to and happened anyway and only in hindsight can we view it as a blessing in disguise. Not to therefore say that people experiencen unplanned pregnancies wont deserve our support, i think they do, but one thing that gives me hope is many of these children will now be some of the best witnesses to life a year from now, five years from now, 10 years from now and we have to make it our part to make it that those children are experienced in the blessings of lives in those families and that means crafting new Public Policy and the host of things that we need to do. Those children are blessings, theyre experienced as blessings that we have work to do. Thank you so much. On friday, it was the catholics to know, and for reasons i dont fully understand, its normally the feast of the nativity of john the baptist on that day, but it was a rare piece of art and i thought that really had to be a providential, you know, message to us. The plants were also aligned. Yes. For thank you, thank you, really, we have to lead with love in everything that we do from this point on and youre reminding me, ryan, when you were talking of years ago when the partial birth abortion was the thing during the clinton administration, rick santorum, on cspan and the empty floor of the senate and he just i called his wife karen and said im going to be home later and had a nudge he needed to keep talking and he was debating dine feinstein at one point, anyway four years later he gets a letter from, i think it was a mother, it was the mother or father, that night, a couple was watching, just flipping channels and stopped on cspan for some reason or another and theyre listening to this exchange and the girl says, to her boyfriend, i have an abortion scheduled for tomorrow and they had a conversation and the abortion tonight happen and theres a fouryearold, i think there was a picture and you never know when were having these conversations and obviously when laws are changing, you know, who what lives are being saved and yeah, i agree entirely we have to make sure those stories are told because other stories are going to be toll, too, and we have to be relentless in focusing on the good. So we have this is being live streamed, this can be watched after the fact, cspan is going to be airing it, not everyone agrees with us. Alexandra, can you speak to that person who, either is on the fence or thinks were all trying to repress women . Yeah, i think the simplest way to do that is to kind of explain why the idea for this book came to mind and i think, ive spent like i said a microcosm compared to some working in the Prolife Movement the whole thing ive been writing this this as the idea is germinating, were right at prolife, this is the taking of human life the harm of abortion, we have to do everything we can to stop it. How could any of this aspect be good for any of us or for women not only against a stranger, theyre killing a child. How can it be good for the father, the grandparents, how living in a society where its acceptable. And what kind of society for a problem we skill the people most vulnerable among us. If you believe abortion is necessary, think about why and are the problems that you identified and think that abortion is the solution really solved by perpetrating violence against innocent human beings . And how are they really better off . Its really a moment where the parties need to grow up and really work together. You know, on the matters that we agree with. We agree that women should we can agree on some paid family leave bill, we can. You know . And we can agree on Community Help centers need support. There are things we can agree on. Of course, there are no political incentives to do that, but we need some leaders. And thats exactly that. And i think a week or two ago that romney introduced his legislative proposal and rubio, one has one in the works that hasnt already been released it will soon be released and republicans are rethinking some of these issues and thats healthy. I mean, i dont mean to endorse either as the perfect end all, be all, but these are constructive times that there are people on the right side of the aisle willing to say we both want to prohibit lethal violence in the womb and maybe family formation more achievable and support for women carrying children in their wombs a reality. We need the bipartisan part of that to come along. Romney and rubio are on one side, but theres not reason not to embrace these bills. It should be bipartisan. And texas got attention for the heartbeat bill. And ron desantis signed in the fatherhood, and theyre prohibiting lethal violence and providing supports to mothers and incentives for family formations for fathers to be involved in the lives of their children and marriage the ultimate prolife institution and ultimate social justice institution. So, i think when these efforts have already been in the works and theyre ramping up and increasing and we should be working to make them better. This is the 2. 0 of romneys bill and im sure 3. 0 will be better. He made improvements and there are probably other flaws that could be further and his offices will improve it. We should be participating in those discussions. Right. We also need to be talking about adoption. During those dobbs debate and there was a backlash against adoption and also against safe haven laws. We could talk for hours more, unfortunately we have a close in a moment, im sure well have more conversations about this in the coming days and weeks and months, really critical to make sure that, so often women are asked, theyd rather have, theyd rather choose abortion rather than knowing that they abandoned their child. Meanwhile, there are so many couples struggling with infertility who would love to raise a child to a woman courageously, you know, gave birth to. So, so many human conversations we have to have and so many stories we have to tell about the Pregnancy Health centers and the maturity and you talk about marys shelter in fredericksburg and each one of you who considered ourselves prolife as you were mentioning earlier, ryan, think what more can i do . Theres so much more that needs to be done and i know i had a conversation with a reporter on friday and she didnt believe that there were any pregnancy care centers. I mean, honestly didnt believe and so we have so much work to be done and i want to thank you for the work you did and you did this book in an amazingly short period of time. Im like the queen of blowing through deadlines myself and im incredibly impressed that you have this this moment. Tearing this apart and how abortion, thank you for everyone watching here in person, or on live stream or on cspan, please buy the book and share it and please follow the work of alexandra and ryan, and Heritage Foundation for hosting us. 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