Transcripts For CSPAN2 Librarian Of Congress Libraries In The Digital Age 20221108

Public service. Thank you for attending todays session, its great to see all of you in person. Its been three years, so [applause] and during this past three years, we cant thank all of you enough for your support of the library of congress back home. Now, we want to remind you that the library is there for you, whether youre here in washington or youre at your library back home in your communities. We are the Nations Library and its at your disposal to use anytime. So if you want to look at Thomas Jeffersons collection or George Washington or rosa parks or Frederick Douglas collection, i could go on and on, you can do it from home. Thanks to everyone for everyone who stopped by the pavilion and who stopped by our open house yesterday. We cant thank you enough. Your stories and work inspired us from prison librarians to army librarians, to of course, children, youth, young adult librarians, we were so inspired by the stories we were hearing. One thing that was spotlighted during the pandemic was the Important Role of libraries across the nation. People discovered that librarians are frontline workers during this pandemic, whether giving out free covid tests or doing Contact Tracing or trying to help your communities get through the entire pandemic. So todays conversation is as vital as librarians, you all have an Important Role in the release of proper information. So today, the librarian of congress along with our esteemed colleague will be discussing this important topic. So it is my distinguished honor to welcome the 14th librarian of congress carla haden and joined by nancy davenport, retired librarian, thank you all. [applause]. You wow. Hello, its so wow. Hello. Its so good to see everyone. And i just have to start by saying this has been like a family reunion. Its been our revival. Its been inspiring in so many ways to see people that are firsttime attendees, that have been coming for 40, and im going to let that go a little bit, 40 years, and just delightful. And to be here with you, nancy. Full disclosure. When braswell introduced nancy, what he didnt say was nancy was a mainstay basically at the library of congress for how many years . Thirtythree. Thirtythree years. [applause] so i knew nancy before even thought about the library of congress. She did Something Else thats very interesting. She left the library of congress and went to d. C. Public libraries. Person with to the the Council Library and information resources two years and then from there to d. C. Public libraries. Then from there to a special project in vietnam working with the parliamentarians of vietnam to build a Research Library for that parliament. Parliament. From there i went to au. So im im one of those people who sort of wandered around librarianship, finding every opportunity and taking it. And thats a good point in terms of some of the firsttime attendees, people who were in library slashed information school. You can tell my age wanted to say library school. Library school, to think about your career in a more cyclical way, or winding way, to be able to go from that. I i wanted to ask you a questio. And this is for everybody. What were the similarities . Oh, what were the similarities . Because i spend multiple times, multiple jobs within llc made Everything Else easier. Most of my career was in the Congressional Research service doing policy analysis and bringing together a lot of materials the Congressional Staff needed. The second part of my career i i went to rare books with having absolutely no knowledge of what is going to go on their, discovered a theft pics i work a lot with the general counsel, et cetera, to be able to figure out that theft. And i guess, and from there went to be the director of acquisition for the entire Library Something i never thought about doing, but it was really wonderful to do that job because it holds so many things together. The library of congress requires materials through copyright deposits, it requires, acquires vince to purchase, through subscription, but it also acquires materials from donors to get materials to us. And working through all of those pieces were really important. Library the library also d offices around the world that acquire materials and so one of the great pleasures as well as being an obligation was to occasionally go out on a field trip and go to meet the people who worked for the library of congress but it preps never been to the library of congress as they collect the materials from the own country. Its a very fulfilling place to work, for sure. And many of the people and some of people who are here today got a chance to see the open house and roswell talk about that. I want to give you a sense of why that did for the Staff Members at the library of congress afterwards, after everybody had left and putting things up and i would rent and thanked all the divisions because you had everybody there, copyright, even the development office. Just everybody was there in all the different divisions. And the theme, the common theme they said was really we know we were card, we try to be there for the library community, but to hear people think kaus really was inspiring. And so they were very pleased to get that feedback, that it means something, special i have to tell you that catalogers were over the moon. [laughing] [applause] one woman said [applause] that gets back to library school, thats where the division goes, really smart people go to cataloging. [laughing] others go to programming, and childrens like me. You can tell catalogers. Someone said its like visiting the mothership. It is the mothership, right . Here it is. And that was so inspiring because i have to say what i admire so much about you, nancy, and other people have been able to, i met some people here at this conference who have gone from like like a public lin Academic Library, or academic to public and the gobetween. And for a while in the profession that wasnt that acceptable. We are among friends. A Public Library especially. I remember at the Research Library and someone said you would like the public, dont you . Yeah, you know. [laughing] i do. But that thing that come if you try to do something for the general public you are dumbing it down. Not to. No, its not. It took a while for this interweaving and for us to people that Public Library experience cross over and be accepted. Now, how did you come how were you accepted going to a Public Library after being at the mothership in the same city . In the same city. With a different clientele. With a very different clientele. It actually worked out very nicely in a couple of ways. Ginnie cooper was a chief librarian at the point for d. C. Public library, and as you travel around d. C. , this week and however long you are here, ginny was instrumental in getting all of the new libraries built. And that she was working with the developers and the contractors, et cetera, down to the painters and the paint colors it was going to be, i had the opportunity to more run the library as an institution. And it was wonderful. One of the things we did while i was there was to create a whole cadre of employees and we are presenting this concept to the board of trustees, and i was going on about a wonderful theyre going to be when we hired all of the students, and one of the Board Members said what are you going to call them . It was like, teams of distinction. And we made their badges that they were teens of distinction and the kid stood up taller when they did that. The very first meeting of the teenagers when they were hired was i when he to talk to them and they just sat in their seats, et cetera, and i said now i have two instructions for you. Next time an adult walks into this room you will stand. And the sort of looked at me, but they stood. And from that point on it was a life lesson, but at the same time it was one that every professional staff member walked in and said, these kids are getting train the way we want them to be trained to work with our public. And thats a tough crowd. A tough crowd for advocate for. Never easy. Oh, no. Ive been involved with was told by one, and i respected her saying this, we were trying to get teen Services Going and special programming in spaces and things, were really going to do more, and she said i just had to say, i have two at home. And i dont want to come to work and see them. [laughing] so respectfully, im going the other was moving the audiovisual, making materials assessable, and moving materials to the first floor that hadnt been there before and they were going to be we were waxing odd about this a foot Library Directors have to sometimes think about. You are going on and you are so enthusiastic and people sitting there going, youve got to find that line that is behind you. There going to be so morning so many more people coming in. A lady came in later and said to me shes going to be retiring because the were going to be a lot of people coming in, and she didnt think she would like that. [laughing] because when they were on the third floor it would be quite come nobody was coming in. People come and do what they wanted and now we will have all these people, and i respected that. Because when your people that are not into customer service, that can be a difficult. Every Library Needs a lot of behind the scenes help. So there are similarities, Public Libraries academic libraries. I would call the library of congress research, Major Research different even from an Academic Library because you have a pretty interesting clientele with faculty. Yes, we did. And special libraries and different types of library but there are certain values, and i brought a copy, i still am a librarian. I pulled it out as ice come in because this was publication from a little while back. Michael gorman, are entering values, and it was revisited. Librarianship in an everchanging world. What were we sang back then . What were we talking about . And its interesting even though we call it misinformation now, we were still all, no matter what type of library talking about and reaffirming that we are that trusted source, that we will look for the best information and how we do it. Basic Reference Service and research. That is still a common theme. But a difficult one. In these days. Now, remember we are in front of friends so we can talk. Misinformation, so it was, its interesting to be a librarian in this time when youre interacting with people who are not in the field. So theyre saying i was the only librarian on the panel, we could have some way to tell people or show them about good resource services, like we do that. We call it information literacy. Weve been doing that, that theres, this this is the. And i had another person when i was talking about information literacy, we check the sources, we said okay, if you something, for instance, theres a famous actress that did a book on thats nice, confessor experiee but of what the who have managed that and going to refer that. And you are the guide on the side and thats what were doing. Doing. I was talking about these values and what librarian to do, and the person said, you know, if you libraries all join together [laughing] and worked together, you could be the trusted computing be like those big search companies, everything. If yall just put your resources together. Yes, sir, if there is ala. We do work together. But that idea that this is a time, ms. Information we shoud claim it. We should be even more hopeful. Now, i do want to bring up something, and hope, were going to open up for question answer and just comment, to. During this time when i have been meeting different people and its been so wonderful, ive also been hearing about the threats and the nearterm, and theres a a young gentleman whos getting his phd in a new field, and had to write it down because i was saying it different. Knowledge destruction. Well, misinformation, banning books, all that and i keep going back to alberto in the history of reading his book on history of reading and that one chapter, forbidden reading and the photo that starts that chapter has a woman who looks like shes a former slave, and shes in front of the cabin. She has a book, and he says, paraphrasing, but as sentries of dictators, slaveowners, and other illicit holders of power have always known, and illiterate crowd is the easiest to rule. And if you cannot prevent people from learning to read, the next best recourse is to limit the scope. And the whole chapter is about book burning in everything, censorship. So what ive been sharing at this conference, particularly of course in School Librarians and that come is a start of efforts to really limit in a disturbing way. Yeah, right, right. What young people, now weve always had that and you told me something that is going to really full disclosure about your experience because this is been something thats been going on for a while. Your mother did it. Yeah, my mother. The story i told carla earlier was, i grew up in a college town, West Virginia university and more content is the town, and the Public Library was underneath the police station. So it was the safest place in town for any kid to be hit d methods of course that the kids there often. And i pretty much read my way through this library over the years, and one day i discovered this book that ive never been before. It looked interesting but he had little tiny prints in it, it was a novel but it was not a contemporary novel. So i checked it out and it went home with it, and the librarian called my mother and said, margaret, you should take a look at what nancy brought home today. Today. Im not sure shes ready to read it. And the book was anthony adverse. If any of you remember this book, which is probably not ever a bestseller, so my brother sat down and read that book that night and then said to me, sweetheart, i would like for you to wait another two years before you read this book. And i waited another two years, because it was, it was not hard for me to wait those two since it look like it was tiny print and thin pages. And at the same time my mother said, do read it then but dont read it now. It was readers advisory but from a parent to a child, a mother was a big reader. We would trade books all the time that we reading while i was in high school and college, but it was, i remember that story very vividly. Dont read it, i dont want you to read it now. I want you to read it in two years from now. And you waited . I i waited. You are a good kid. [laughing] i went to Catholic School. It and it got a great education. But it was, it was really important to me that it had a sense, i had a sense of trust with my mother and she do with me, and they didnt want to abdicate that trust in any way ever. It was really important. But i can tell you another story based upon the Catholic School peace. I use the Public Library to do a class project made when i was in the senate for the eighth grade, and it was all on, it was all in the blessed virgin mary. You guess how much i could find at a Public Library. I did find a bunch through encyclopedias, et cetera, and it went back to school and they said but it doesnt have the imprimatur of the church audit secant uses materials. Thats what i thought maybe i really need to become a librarian because reading widely as important for us in a profession but i think for us in school its also we read widely whatever you choose to. Science fiction is not my thing. It was my husbands and you read constantly sciencefiction. But those sorts of things i really important in their formative to the individual when it happens. So when you approach a student, whether its yours or a patron student, the care with which you treat them with always affect the rest of their library career. And didnt, you said your mom purchased a copy of the book . She purchased it. And she really wanted you she wanted me to read. Im still going back to you waiting two years. [laughing] its like a chocolate bar. My brother was not going to be interested in reading it. There were only three of us. I have worked in some areas where putting that responsibility on a parent could be a barrier as well. Absolutely. In terms of either their literacy levels for the time and effort and how theyre going to get the book and all of that. So the quick answer for some of these challenges that are saying we want the librarians to go through every book in the library and tag sexual content. Thats a lot of work. Thats a lot of work. Maybe if you are not sticking to the childrens section of the young adult section, but nonetheless who defines it. The legislation says they are little loose on that. The quick answer is thats the parents responsibility they should read the books, they should do with their mom did and if they dont want your child to read about than you also to think about what that is and then whos responsible. We think were doing it through selection, and responsible in terms of selection development. But then to go through each book and what might be, that might do that is quite and its interesting because what im doing is trying to be very, i been in washington to lock. You are being very circumspect. Six years now, so im very conscious of that, plus the technology, people tweeting, the librarian of Congress Said this and that and the other, you know. Its like it does make your speech is a lot less interesting, let me just say that, okay . [laughing] its because youre very aware that you are representing in that, however, i am a librarian and im grateful for the opportunity to be able to at least bring the issues of and talk about them in different ways. So this information, presenting the facts, being the trusted source, that is i think one of our bedrock qualities. Thats why people when as we said our biggest stereotype is that if you can you can trust i librarian. They are obviously not in it for the money. True. Thats obvious. Sometimes they are a little quirky. Its okay. [laughing] i picked up a book back, i can use cant even say the name of the book bag i have to keep it at my house and keep my 50 shades of gray in it for all my weird books in a because i could never bring it out. However, so, but we are trusted because they know we are in it to help people, that we have this, and that trusted source at this time is something that we really should not only be proud of but be unafraid to say that this is where you can get it now. Its difficult in some communities, even on some campuses. Have you had experiences with that type of thing on a campus . I think it depends upon the university. Au was a private Research University here in the district. The most trouble that was, that i think that i didnt expect was the number of emeriti faculty who are Library Privileges as to why now that im now a time but they all came to the library and wanted all the fines are given, and they were adamant about it. Its like and why do i care . Of course i for gave their fines. Its a very different, working on academic and five is are different than working in a Public Library asked when wholly different. It went from one to the other, unit, within several months going from d. C. Public and into vietnam and after my experience there i went right away to au. And i had never worked an Academic Library since i was a student assistant in an Academic Library. So it was a different adventure for me in doing that, but faculty, faculty can be a nuisance, and those of you who know that, and at the same time they can bring you some Brilliant Ideas and you can use them and their talents to bring others into the library. So we started a book talk for our public come for the neighborhood around au and invited faculty member to come in and talk about their Favorite Book. Not what they were working on right now but what was their Favorite Book of all time. And why. We had droves of neighbors come to do this because it didnt have the opportunity to have intellectual engagement with a faculty member anymore. So i think trying to be creative, which i try to do in every job that ive had, of bringing the word to the people and the people to the word has really been a great adventure for me. And also and academic settings, the town and down conflict, people in university might not even interact, maybe go to church but interact with their communities so the invite the community in to interact with them and hey, have had one of those professors go to the Public Library and give a talk o that. So being able to cross those boundaries. Back to misinformation. Because its hard sometimes to engage someone thats not engageable or that when you think about working with young people, one, you have the opportunity there, and some instances young people need that other adult that might not be a Family Member or something that they can trust and they can go to and they can get the information they needed. And even the very young ones, theyre their sometimes that come and with adults as well come work in the get the source, where can they find out what the doctor has prescribed to them . All these types of things are vital for people to have in this age. Tracy hall, executive director, talks a lot about that digital equity. That came up so much drink the pandemic, and i knew i could feel it. When the pandemic happened, and they talked about, everybody was doing the virtual this, that, and the other virtual learning. I thought about all the kids that didnt have access at home that would have library couldnt physically open, what event at those libraries, and you have painful that was to know that they were doing that. But also the right information about what was going on, what was covid and medications and all these types of things that to be able to have that right there. And a poorly is a vaccine safe . That was a question at hand drinkable period into the vaccine came about. So here we are, hundreds of librarians from every walk of life, every type of experience. It was really cool to see some young ones with her digital at this and that but also wanting to work directly with young people in teenagers and all that, seeing all them together. I just want you to think about the power that we do have as a field that our main value is, not just give the people what you want, you remember that, which was about popular books, and were close to Baltimore County and charlie robinson. Yes, its okay to give people comic books or graphic novels. I remember the scandal when libraries first started circulating well, comic book, too. Nancy drew or any series of books. But getting people that might entice him to read, like a gateway drug to reading, you know . You get them into that andu have been Something Else. But the strength that we have an knowing that if we forget about those divisions, school, public, academic, Research Come library of congress, the mother ship. Well, mothership is there, okay . That we worked together on this however we can. I think we can continue to be that for so many people. I want to open it up because i see this thing here, and id like to hear from you. Ive been able to talk with a lot of you, but not as many as i would like. And just to see whats on your mind, and also what you think you would like to share with some of your colleagues. Because youve got an open mic. There are two of them here in the audience. Hello. My name is ivy west. I remember iv. So like yourself, thank you both very much for today. Im here on behalf of the Howard County Public Library in columbia, maryland. As are many of my team leads. And i like us and im very blessed to have come from a wide marriott of libraries. I worked in university libraries. Libraries. I worked at the library of congress. I worked for a prison library. I am currently a big Data Scientist and librarian in the government, and i volunteer in other endeavors so ive had a Colorful Library background. And i think its fair to say that amid the different libraries i think there is a kinship. And as far as they are varied in their differences, they offer a collaboration, information simulation. Theres data and information sharing. Theres the need for learning, education, a myriad of things. And yet what is compelling to me is that because of this big data and information explosion and, of course, the knowledge exploration, im wondering wht you might have to offer in the way of understanding for how libraries can work more cohesively to kind of spread awareness and to motivate those who are kinship and determine to kind of stay on the computer and not visit the local Community Libraries where that information and that collaboration can really be embraced and shared and unified in a way that doesnt diminish our values for libraries. Thank you. First thing we need to do is to do it. Just, you know, was it diana ross reach out and touch somebodys hand, or something . Make the connections. Community College Library and the Public Library, Academic Library, getting the professors to do their book talks in the Public Library, to make the connections. Libraries, and you know its hard sometimes with getting out at your facility, but get out of the facility. Go to some of the meetings, go to some of the things in communities, and also be at the table when these discussions about sharing resources are happening. Get on committees, do that, but just make the step. And try it and see. You might be surprised when you go to another type of library and meet the library in there, meet the director there, and see what you have in common. And set up some reciprocity if you can between the two met. The are more novels read in Public Libraries and are writing academic libraries. So the Novel Collection was not as newly extensive at au when i got there as, as had been at d. C. Public. I think the other piece is to do something that can bring a Community Together regardless of who they are of what they read. One of the examples i would use is one we did at au which was requested by students. They wanted a space to do their own craft like things, and it wasnt typical for library to make space for them but we sat down and talk to him about what kind of things you want to do . What kind of things do you need . They started off, they wanted a 3d printer. Thats easy, we can get a 3d printer because he can be used by anybody on the campus. But we ended up that theyre not only wanted the 3d wanted a sewing machine and it he wano be able to make some other close macro cautioned or whatever it was they wanted. So there were people who are saying were going to give them a sewing machine . If you give them a swing machine with the given an iron and ironing board. They cannot so if they cannot fire up the seam at the same time. We ended up building of the civil facility that had all of these things in it. 3d printers and sewing machines, irons come into sobbing material. Edit everything ended and it was the kind of place where students and faculty would, to sometimes play, sometimes do, and it was a really neat place to be able to do. And when we ran out of library money to build the stuff, i had a council of alumni and neighbors around a you that i would just went to the mexican i need some money. This what what to do and these are the kids have asked for. Those with the kinds of things that was easy to raise money for in doing this. So start doing it and dont be afraid to reach out. Theres a question back your. Thank you. My name is tom and schmidt, work for an architecture for a connection to this meeting is that we design libraries so im sort of. As an outsider but learning and wanting to be where my clients are so that anderson whats important to them. On the note just what you just said, when i was in school and you and wanted come use architecture resources of kind of our space and all the other students were told no, thats that for you, thats only for the architecture students. Now its really nice to see if those things are become pretty do not use architecture building but the library on campuses, too. But my question for you is more esters a patent of libraries, which is you are speaking about misinformation and wondering what happens if you had the experience of Library Staff bringing what may be considered misinformation because of their own political view or personal view or whatever considering that the country is really divided 5050 and what they believed to be true. You see my head going no, no, no. Yes, i do. Thats, no, okay . You cant. Now, you might want to come just like you want to know why that person wants this particular piece of information about arsenic. [laughing] okay. But you only ask enough to give them the information. But bringing your own thing in, the closest you could do that, and its not bringing your own thing, its like a book that you liked when youre doing readers advisory. All, somebody likes mysteries, im a mystery fan, you might like to try that. Thats as close as you can get to something that youre talking about. But giving misinformation based on your own views, that is, you, thats a personnel action. You should not come to should not encounter that in any type of library. Crs, Congressional Research service, with the library of congress they are like the superduper swat teams of information. And they pride themselves on doing nonpartisan objective research, so much so that one lady who felt pretty strongly about the climate, lets say, or something, personally, solar panels on her house, i mean, you know, she was really she had to do a paper about energy, and the office that she did it for complained that she was too much for big energy, and she was so proud. [laughing] see, because they couldnt tell that she had solar panels on her house, okay . So thats, so i think as you work with libraries and we think about misinformation and everything, that is something that would not, should not be tolerated. It shouldnt be. And if you feel that strongly about something, that then you might want to consider your own career options. Seriously. If you are a steward of providing information and getting information, you have to take that vow. Wheres the next mic . Microphone number two. [laughing] my name is garvey blackwell. I just completed my first year in college, and so my question to you is, im going to school to be a librarian obviously, but my question to you is, since i am an upcoming and going to school to be a librarian, is there any aspect or piece of advice and things to consider as im becoming an upandcoming new library . Sometimes in colleges and stuff, schools, they call them a rising senior. You are a rising librarian. Thats a good one. Thats good, yeah. [applause] one, is to keep the door open for looking at where you might want to be. You might start up since i want to be, you know, i cataloguer i want to do this and that, but keeping your options open. Keep your options open. And just try Different Things, too. There might be something and know that you dont have to be that for forever, too. Unless it really is something, and thats okay, too, to stay as whatever, but to just be open and know that also at this time come into the field they are positions and there are things like ivy was talking about with the data and all this that are being created. So you might be part of a group of incoming librarians that are going to be creating different positions because of whats happening. I saw so many User Engagement and just the titles are changing now. So just be open. Nancy . No, i agree with all of that. I think the more that you take advantage while youre in college and then in graduate school to work in different kinds of libraries, to get an idea of what it feels like. Because academic labrador more like each other that are like anything else Music Libraries the same way. Figure out if you want to have specialization and go and see what it feels like. Yeah. I was with the Congressional Research service up until february. I also just met you, nancy, just a few minutes ago. I i just want to first say that you so much for the session. He spent a lovely session, very much enjoyed your conversation. I wanted to ask, going back to more towards the beginning of the conversation when you think about inking of your career in cycles and being open to unconventional positions. I just took a position with the National Science foundation. Good. And so my question is related to, if youre one of the only people in an organization that has a background in library and information site and yet advocate for good information management, records management, knowledge management, what are some good tips for making those cases to leadership and trying to get them to understand why its important and why they should find it . Fund it. This is a foundation that gives grants so speed is a little different. However, when youre the only one in advocacy part you need to also know what their goals are, angrily be attuned to that and how they phrase things and what, look at their strategic plan. I know thats not the most exciting strategic plan. Look what theyre doing. Look at their membership, all of that, to see how you can align what youre trying to say. If its a Foreign Language to them because youre advocating using, like we can talk amongst ourselves about Different Things because we have a common language in one way, but know that youre a transferred almost for them, and to put it in terms that will be meaningful to them. For the outcomes, what are they trying to achieve. Nancy . I think the other piece is because they are publishing arm as well, anybody who gets a grant in the depositing the publication i would help with your library, being able to see the richness of that and how important it is that you keep that record within and keep building on it took and i think being full of pride for the work thats been done by that organization you work for, it gets you a long way. Can you having . Yes. My name is brandon bannister. Look at the Howard County Library System in columbia, maryland, graduate of university of maryland Baltimore County. Just have to question for you. What you like about your present job in the library of congress and what you miss about working in a Public Library . I think thats for you. Well, you could answer, to. Because you at the library of congress. I worked with of the most, is like being in college and university all over again. And i worked with experts in every field, anything, from music to geology to history to learn about the caged bird was actually the stacks of the library of congress, he wrote a sympathy in their ear you are learning all the time, and thats the jewitt of it because i want to make sure that more people realize what a treasure, not only the resources are at the library of congress him and we hope the open how she got to see if you with their you got to see some of the things, but the real treasures of the Staff Members. So thats the joy, and to see the pride in what they do, and nancy, you had that experience working there and know what it is to be there. You are learning constantly, and that, and what i miss about Public Libraries is something that is going to be an aspect of the library of congress in the next few years, having a place, intentional place for young people, the young and the youg at heart where they will learn about research and be history detectives and learn how to remix materials and things. So what you miss about the public is the public. And so you get that with the library of congress as well, and we want to make, i want to make sure more people feel it is their library, too. Im suzanne with era universe libert out of Maxwell Air Force base in montgomery, alabama, and have really basic question. I want to know what you guys are reading. [laughing] i mentioned the Paul Laurence dunbar. A biography just came out in the seventh and others interested in it because of this connection. I knew he worked at the library of congress for you and all this, but i did know the real scoop. But the cage, they even have a photo of the stacks and the library of congress in the book to show you how hot and terrible they were. Thats it, so not going to on a whole carla dunbar think but ive aspirational books usually about health and exercise. [laughing] my mom is here, she knows. And theres a new section on one thats called the strength about as you mature, you go from strength to strength. So i bet all those books over there. Mysteries. Love mysteries comes what got those and and i got a new sf mysteries that take place in libraries. You know, theres murder in a library. So really cool with the cartographers just came out. Thats it. So i got those. But you know what, instead of having guilt, i feel its like living in a treasure chest. Okay . [applause] many times run to pick up a book and you get some time, you can do it. And talk about real aspiration, that cookbook collection i have. [laughing] it is nice. So i dont read books anymore. I listen to them. All, you are good. I am just devoted to listening to books and sometimes ill get the book and sort of parallel at or just get the book afterwards. But i spent a lot of time can you see the centuriesold bracelets i am wearing . They are braces rather than bracelets, and is spending a lot of time doing handwork that a not be able to do in a few years. So consequently i want people to just read into my ears to us all day long so. So i will do audiobooks. I find it interesting and you can actually turn up the speed so if youre slow reader i can speed them up a little bit to be able to get through all of that. I do have a Massive Library but at the same time its contemporary books is a way i let them read to me. Is also popular. Theyre telling us, i know what this means. Its about time to go. We could be here all day but one more question i just want to spit in my name is tony. Im a lucky pensioner, but i used to coach or a joint committee of the ala and the nfl sale many years ago. First, dr. Hayden do still have any buttons from the 2003 campaign about another hysteric librarian that might be popular today . I do have those. Im a librarian. I have the buttons. I have some, to spur i have tshirts. I think we should bring those back. The series question is that with the Union Organizing going on since december that are 150 starbucks 50 Starbucks Stores that of unionized and, of course, amazon has gotten some attention as well. It seems like libraries could be a a really important source for many young people who are learning about unions for the first time. I wonder if you have any comments about how that might happen. Yes, they are an important source, and libraries themselves have been unionizing in some instances and the virginians for a long time. And the idea of young people finding out about the history of unions and different movements come to and being part of finding out and going to their movement with the knowledge, and strength of having knowledge of something we could really help with. Well, theres a young person. Sorry. My name is sarah and im a Youth Services librarian and head of Food Services for my library. I want to be appointed library of congress when i i grow up. There you are. [applause] just one quick question in terms of misinformation. How would you go about dealing with children that are being hateful in programs . Children that are they are hearing this misinformation from parents and they are not being kind or being hateful to other children that are different from them. Yeah, and you know, children have done that for a while on their own, and they have been hearing things like that and it is difficult. And think of the library as the safe place for the children who have been bullied or who, we dont do that here and you, this is your space now here its not their home, its not their thing. Everybody is welcome, everybody. So you have to do that. And sometimes, and nancy, we talked about this before which we have to let people know that there are rules of conduct, and most libraries have been. I im sure you your library. You have the big rules of conduct that are posted and there in tiny print and doing all this, you know, no pornography, know this. But it might be nice in a youth section to have your own interpretation, you know, to have, too, that you have these things and this is that safe zone. So that the kids know when they come in dead that thats not going to be either tolerated or, as and theyre not going to be subjected to it. But its your space, too, that youre making safe for more young people. Some glad to hear that youre thinking about that and would suggest that you think about how you could be that haven for them. Because libraries have been havens for so many kids, for so many years, refuge, and in some instances and your office talk about it. You hear people talk about it. The write about it whether library was only safe place they could go, and the librarian was one who listen to them. The librarian was one who let them sit at the library was this, could go on and on. So you can be that for those kids. Thank you. Thank you all for coming. [applause] but i want to thank you all. Thats i i wanted to end up w. Misinformation, this is part of a continuing aspect of librarianship in libraries history. We are here again. This is the time when you need us more than ever, and we need to be strong and to be together, break down barriers between us. And i just want to thank you for being in conversation, coming together. This is the best way to be together after two and a half years of remote we did a good job perk you all did a great job. [applause] but sometimes, someone said, someone said to me before this, they said carla, you and nancy are going to be preaching to the choir. I said yeah, but even the choir needs of the practice. [applause] so thank you. Thank you. If you are enjoying booktv then sign up for our newsletters using the qr code on the screen to see the schedule of upcoming programs, author discussions can book festivals and more. Booktv every sunday on cspan2 or anytime online at booktv. Org, television for serious readers. Middle and High School Students its your time to shine. You are invited to participate in this years cspans studentcam document the competition in light of the upcoming midterm election, picture yourself as a newly elected member of congress. Ask the issues competitors what top priority and why . 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