Chambers and say it was snowing outside so you must be wrong. Using that as evidence to dispute scientists. That over time what happens is that you produce a nominee who is all about obstruction, insults, and makes up his own facts. No, i do not think that is how the majority of republicans think, but this is the habits that you could be too that create this kind of a nominee. Now you find a situation in which the guy says stuff that nobody would find tolerable if they were applying for a job at 711. Or, i mean i dont know what job, if, if you are betting someone for a job and then you heard what somebody said on tape about women, set aside what there is say about us, you would not hire that would you hire that person for the job . The fact that now you have people saying well, we strongly disapprove. We really disagree. We find those comments disgusting. But were still endorsing him. [laughter] we still think you should be president. That doesnt make sense to me. Now, i hear then some people saying well, im a christian and so im all about forgiveness, because nobodys perfect. Will that is true. I am certainly not perfect, nobodys perfect. And i to believe in forgiveness and redemption but that doesnt mean im going to elect the person president. [applause] if somebody something terrible shows themselves to be unqualified for office to my, i can forgive them i suppose if they are sincere about it. But i dont want them necessarily leading the country. So you cant have it both ways here. You cannot repeatedly denounce what is said by someone and then say but im still going to endorse them to be the most powerful person on the planet. And to put them in charge. So, i just want that point because there are still a number of republican elected officials, some of whom i know and im sure are embarrassed and said that was really a terrible thing he said but they cant bring themselves to say, i cannot endorse the sky. By the way, why did it take so long for some of them to finally walk away . [applause] i mean we saw this coming. Hes been saying really bad stuff for a while now. What did you think . He was going to his going to transform himself . I mean, im 55. Its hard for me to change. I know its change. I know it 70 is going to be harder. [applause] anyway, i wanted to make that point. Let me let me get back on script here. So setting aside character issues and what he said, he called himself the best business guy who ever lived, but we have a lot of businessmen and women around the country who have succeeded without hiding their tax returns climb a warm buffet is a good businessman, he just put out his tax return. I also dont know a lot of casino operators who managed to lose almost 1 billion in a year. [applause] they say the house always wins, i dont know what happened i dont know folks who use that failure then to avoid paying federal income taxes for our troops and our bets, our roads, and or schools. You dont brag about not paying your taxes. You dont say, that makes you smart, no, that means you are not a responsible citizen because those taxes are used to make sure veterans get the care they need or our roads get rebuilt, or our students are able to get the support they need to get an education. [applause] when i hear somebody say they were rooting for the housing crisis because hey, that is called business or file bankruptcy six times which let him get out of paying for what healed Small Businesses and their workers, when your concern is in for the families facing the hardship of foreclosure in a Small Businesses and communities that depend on them but rather how you might get over and make a buck off of it, then okay, you know what . Maybe that is your kind of business, but is that is not the spirit that you bring to the highest office in the land. You should not be president of the United States. A guy who spent 70 years on this earth showing no regard for working people is not going to suddenly be the champion of working people. [applause] if you want a leader who actually values hard work and values working americans, if you want higher wages and Better Benefits and a spare tax code, equal pay equal pay for equal work for women and regulations on wall street then you have to vote for hillary and he have to vote for deborah, that is what im talking about. [applause] and if youre concerned about who is going to keep you and your family safe in a dangerous world, the choice is even clearer. Hillary hillary has worked closely with our intelligence and our diplomats diplomats and military. She will see to it that our troops finish the job defeating isis. She will do it without resorting to torture, or banning entire religions from our country. She has got the chops. She has the temperament, she has the knowledge to be the next commanderinchief. [applause] and then you have the guy who insults pows anna goldstar mom and calls our troops and veterans week. He doesnt know the men and women in uniform who make us strong. [applause] and then he cozies up to dictators. Tells our allies we might not be on their side unless they pay up first. Look, he may not make it on his promises, but the United States of america has to make good on ours. He might be up i guess at 3 00 a. M. But thats because he is tweeting insults somebody who got under his skin instead of getting a decent nights sleep so he can be read in the morning to do the job of being president of the United States. [applause] come on. He is not fit to be commanderinchief. He certainly is not fit to lead the worlds greatest democracy. Let me say this, and this is been remarked about in this is serious business. When in the middle of the debate you threaten to put your political opponent in jail, that, no trial, no indictment, no lawyers, just, when you welcome russian meddling in our electoral process, then you are disregarding not just things like facts or evidence were free press, you are chipping away at basic values like tolerance due process, and Mutual Respect. And our democracy doesnt work that way. There are other nations around the world who operate like that. They are political systems operate like that. And those nations breakdown. We have student in contrast in opposition to those kinds of ideas. I frankly never thought i would see the day went we had a major Party Candidate who would be promoting those kinds of notions. Look greensboro, one thing i have learned these past eight years is that progress is hard. You have to battle it out. Even when we get victories like obama care, they are never perfect and you have to keep working to make them better. When you take two steps forward on Something LikeClimate Change therell be folks who push back and its okay because thats the price of a democracy if you dont get 100 of what you want 100 of the time. Democracy is not easy, especially not in a big, big, diverse country like this. You have to work at it. Theres only one candidate in this race who understands that democracy and it big, diverse country doesnt work if you constantly demonize each other. I mean that literally by the way. I was reading the other day, theres a guy on the radio who apparently thinks me and hillary are demons. Said we smell like sulfur. And thats something. [applause] [laughter] now, come on people. Democracy does not work if you say stuff like that and apparently there are people who believe that stuff. And there listening to it constantly. And you cannot have leaders who are promoting that, because what happens then is that we get so divided and people are so angry at each other that nothing gets done. Hillary understands that. She. She understands on most big issues it is not always simple black and white. Things get done requires compromise. Even when you are 100 right you think. She knows her progress to happen we have to listen to each other and see each other. We have to fight for principles but we also have to fight to find common ground. She believes we can and should conduct ourselves better. Thats thats not always flashy. Doesnt always attract headlines. Our politics doesnt always make that easy. We went progress right away, our way, and if, and if someone is getting in our way then we start calling them names and the press finds it attractive to promote conflict and that with a flashy headline. But if we are willing to work at it progress does happen. If you dont believe that, ask the 20,000,000 more americans who have healthcare today that didnt have it before. [applause] asked the marine who probably served his country without having to hide the husband he loves. Ask the m people have more pell grants and help to get a college education. [applause] change takes time but it is possible. And heres the last thing, it doesnt just depend on one person, it depends on all of us. Especially want to talk to the young people here for a minute. [applause] you have been through a lot in your young lives. You have grown up through war. You have grown up through recession. You have grown up through all kinds of incredible changes i mean, it was just a little bit ago that there was no such thing as a smart phone. Which i know seems insane to you. But but its true, we survived without them. So things have just been happening past. But what i have seen from young people is that you care about looking out for each other, not turning on each other. The young people i meet are more tolerant, more sophisticated, more interested in the world and you want to be active and engaged in the work of creating a vibrant and innovated, inclusive and mobile society in a democracy that works. When i meet young people, strange as this seems, see the values that my mom and my grandparents tried to instill in me. Decent, honest, hardworking, civil, courteous, polite, yes maam, no maam, polite, yes maam, no maam, how can i help you maam . I see those values in this next generation. Those values are not oldfashioned. When i see people who say they are conservative, my grandparents were kind of conservative. But to them that meant you acted right, it meant you had good home training. It meant you didnt say crude things just to get attention. I think most young people understand that. They understand those values that are timeless. Theyre not even democrat or republican. They are American Values that bind us together as a country. So there are a lot of things about our politics we can seem cheap, trivial, and frustrating. I know. I have seen it but heres a chance to reject the divisive, meanspirited politics. And it will just take us backwards. Theres nothing cheaper trivial about that. About making that statement, the chance to elect a woman who spent her entire life trying to make this country better. That is real. That is true. And young people, you have a chance have a chance to do that, so do not fall for the easy summit is him of my vote doesnt matter or all politicians are the same. That is exactly what hillarys opponent want you to think so you dont vote. I promise you, your vote matters, read up on your history. You just heard from judge there is a time right here North Carolina and look, that judge, he was good. He was right there before you young people and he cannot vote. There is a time when folks had to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar, the number of bubbles on a bar of soap. It wasnt soap. It wasnt that long ago when folks were beaten. Registered voters in mississippi. It wasnt long ago that a man like justice fry who already graduated college was denied the right to vote because he failed the socalled literacy tests. That just happened. It the reason it changes because young people said its going to change. [applause] and people risked everything so we could pull that lever. Freedom writers came down so that people could have the right to vote. [applause] whatever the issue you care about the choice cannot be clear. If you care about inequality, if you supported bernie in the primaries. [applause] you have a choice. You can vote for somebody whose economic policies are driven solely by greed and selfinterest, or you can vote for someone who is going to make sure the economy works for buddy, not just folks at the top. Who will fight to make sure minimum wage workers get a raise and women get paid the same as men for doing the same job. [applause] if you care about criminal Justice Reform, you can vote for somebody who has fought against civil rights and equality his entire career you can vote for somebody who started her career going undercover from school to school to make sure minority kids were getting an equal shot at a good education and have been fighting for justice and equality ever sense. If you care about the environment, and Climate Change, you can vote for somebody says its a chinese plot. And put the climate denier in charge of hiring folks at epa, or you can vote for somebody who believes in science and will keep America World leader in fighting to protect our climate. If you care about immigration reform, you can vote for somebody who apparently only sees immigrants as criminal rapists to be rounded up or kicked out, or, even though by the way they have already paid more taxes probably than he has. [applause] or, you you can vote for a grand daughter of an immigrant who believes everybody deserves a chance to contribute to this country we love. [applause] you care about transparency you can vote for a candidate who has released decades worth of her tax return or, the only candidate in decades who refused to release any and all. One candidate has a foundation that saved countless lives around the world. The other took money that people gave to his charity to buy a 6foot tall painting of himself. I am not kidding. One candidate traveled more countries than any secretary of state before her. The other is, donald trump. So when he has to what do you have to lose, the answers, you have everything to lose. All of the progress we made the last eight years is on the ballot. Stability is on the ballot. Respect for women is on the ballot. [applause] tolerances on the ballot. Justices on the ballot. [applause] equality is on the ballot. [applause] democracy is on the ballot. [applause] if you want to it make it up resounding message. Turned back racism and misogyny and sent a message for progress. Send a message for fax. Send a message for reason, send a message for hope. [applause] send a message by voting for Hillary Clinton. [applause] send a message for debra ross. Send a message about who we are in the American People, and make our kids proud. Thank. Thank you greensboro, i love you. [applause] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] cspan, created by americas Cable Television companies and brought to as a Public Service by your cable or satellite provider. Tonight well highlight some of the congressional and governors races we are watching from across the country. First, North Carolina governor Pat Mcquarrie faces roy cooper. Then, a debate in nebraskas second Congressional District with the incompetent and every tire general. Later Kathy Mcmorris rodgers defends her seat in Washington State fifth Congressional District against the democratic challenger. North carolina governor and state attornestate attorney geny cooper. Moderated by chuck todd this is courtesy of the North Carolina association of broadcasters. This is the gubernatorial debate. Sponsored as a Public Service to the citizens by the North Carolina association of broadcasters, education foundation. Heres the moderator. Good evening i am chuck todd of nbc news welcome to the broadcasters Educational Foundation to the governor ofr t North Carolina and the attorney general of North Carolina roy cooper we should note this is happening at a difficult timeul hundreds of thousands arethousad without power. Some of you are listening on the radio or streaming because of no power so we want to thank you. This will last an hour and we will begin with one minute Opening Statement and then post questions directly. The questions are determined by me and havent been reviewed. I reserve the right to do with its needed and we will conclude with 92nd closing statements. We will remind them when their time is expired and in the interest of covering as much as possible we ask the candidates so we dont have to become tim cops. Lets give them a round of applause. [applause] as much as they participate. By virtue of the coin toss you will go first with your Opening Statement and received the first question. Welcome to North Carolina. This is a difficult time for tht state. I had to announce that we have now lost 17 people in the recent floods in thei our hearts and ps are withnd the family and im proud of the National Guard and the president for working withu us and the emergency Application Team and officials that i wants. To make an announcement. You need to evacuate the area immediately because the engineers have not certified the strength of that based upon support today and i need to make a point very strongly. Do not put yourself at risk or the Emergency Operation peopley at risk. To deal with natural crisis and manmade that i came into three and a half to four years ago. We are problem solvers and wee will continue that in the next to t years. Our hearts and thoughts and prayers go out and we have to do everything we can to help them. The last four years he speak in our state backward and throughout the campaign he hasnt been honest about his record. Hes failed to make education ap priority. He signed the house bill for writing discrimination into the wall and with the stroke of a pen damage to the brand. We have twice as many layoffs this year and next. We need a good job as governor. Good jobs are my priority and i will work to make sure we spread across the country. As you know since the passage ive canceled plans to expand the state. The acc could not give away all the events from back here. Majority of the voters even tha supported and hurt the states reputation how do you fix the reputation without repealing the law . Whats embarrassing is a liberal mayor of charlotte with very strong support from our very liberal attorney generaled started this whole mess. Its one of the biggest fib is in the National Press and the state press which they say the bathroom walls were made by republicans. We never brought this issue up. They decided to put a mandate on the sector that had public facilities to say we are going to find you unless you recognize a brandnew concept of gender identity and gender expression a major change in culture not just North Carolina but the country. I dont care if you are in the private sector what the rules should be its none of our business and continues to be onu of the business of North Carolina but if youre in the schools where they are running commercials from over a man youre going to go to the mens locker room, restroom or shower and a woman you will go to the appropriate shower. Th no change whatsoever. House bill number two has to be repealed. It writes discrimination intoou. The wall. Paypal hundreds of jobs, the ncaa. It was signed in the middle of the night and he continues to go across the state telling people this is not hurting our economy. What planet are you on . We have to quit blaming it. The attorney general doesnt refute the claim he and Jennifer Roberts started this mess. Its been a swindle of things. If they leave the new gender expression and gender identity that changes the definition ofma man and woman, boy and girl and the privacy rights if we will not have leaders stand up for the rights of privacy that we are losing. Im glad hes admitted this is an embarrassment because it is. They controlled 2 trillion worth of assets and this is a statthat this isa state governmd recession. He attacked them and then three days later in the wilmington to the speech to the chamber ofber commerce said we need to attract more capital than the more investment. I want you each to have responses and give 30 seconds to respond. Youre the chief lawenforcement officer of the state. If you pick and choose the wallo to defend arent you setting an example when you told them to pick and choose which to follow . I took an oath to defend the constitution. T i told the governor not to sign the wal law and i told the legislature not to pass itiminao because it is costing us hundreds of millions of dollars into the governor has spent so much money and so much time and it has hurt our brand and its got to stop. Ted hes running a multimillion r dollar commercial right now it has to stop talking about social issues. Thats all he talks about because he wants to cover the progress weve made in this economy. Lowered weve lowered unemployment i and overdue taxes but the only issue he wants to talk about is a social issue and hes fooling the people of North Carolina. Lets get out of the bathroom politics and start creating jobs as we have done. As a conservative republican and somebody that believes in limited government, you said you didnt want them getting as a involved in the City Politics across the state. Why is it okay . Our line of responsibilities not to create new mandates and i dont think that Hillary Clinton and barack obama should do it through the Justice Department and the fact of the matter is this is going to be resolved in the Supreme Court where itd should be. 21 other states have joined me to stop government overreach and to this very private issue. You used to trust the government and now he does. We have legislation hurting the state and taking us backward and hes the one whos been talking about house bill number two and how important this legislation is to protect people when we all know that these are political scare tactics. It was born in politics and nowr people are suffering because of it. T you are looking at the individual that raised millions ch dollars on starting thiss initiative. The most famous transgender ishl caitlyn jenner. Which bathroom would she use . See that this is the problem. We shouldnt be getting involved in these issues. House bill number two is exactly what it does. It gets us involved in these issues and should not be caused not only is it hurting ourembarr economy, but its embarrassing the state. The governor just admitted earlier they didnt have to doo. This. There are cities all over the country that have these kind of ordinances. You should trust local governments. Where the championship was played with no objection by you or barack obama or anyone else i will say this where she should go in the private sector in North Carolina should go whereri the private sector wants her to because we dont want to be in the business of the private sector. In the chapel hill after running the track shes going to use the mens shower. We are going to go to the economy. Unemployment rate has been cut in half since he took office and income is on the rise and voters care about Economic Performance we need to paypal to come back. You ask everyday working people whether they have seen th the comeback and most of them will h tell you they are working forth less money than before thed recession and they would be right. Its not seeing the games. When people have taxes that are up because of him and legislative leadership and he continues to say its not hurting our economy, thats wrong. No more social issues unemployment is a record 9. 2 . 12 years of extreme high taxes with highest income tax and the highest Corporate Tax even South Carolina was beating us for jo jobs. We got rid of a 2. 6 billion debt that we owed it to the federal government. 2. 6. You would have borrowed another and we would have been 4 billion in debt and he would have put it on another tax. Th this is the philosophy that you follow it as a state senator this is what you follow withfolw your fellow leaders. The governor promised to lay tax cuts and came through with corporations at the top. In 67 different ways he has raised taxes on middle incomerad families and we are talking about from earth to death. You look at the receipt and the taxes are about courtesy he continues to tax the middle tax class. Now we produce below 5 . We are recruiting businesses again. N. 300,000 new private sector jobs. Are you going to raise the Corporate Tax again because you were against tax reform. We do not have to raise taxes to fix what is wrong with ourpr economy. Go its stagnant whether you like, it or not. Youve benefited those at the top, and statistics show that you are leaving out the middle class. Y this is why you are having trouble and we are seeing a time and time again. Its mr. Cooper that is raisingg a halfmillio half million dolle goldman sachs. He doesnt care about North Carolina. Its mr. Cooper raising millionf of dollars. Its not from the people that care about North Carolina andh our economy. According to the North CarolinaSchool Schedule a teacher with a bachelors degree doesnt get to make 50,000 until the 25th year of teaching or the 20th year if they have aa masters degree. How can you raise th the teaches salaries early on so that you yo dont risk seeing teachers move to other states for higher paying jobs . Gether a we put together a group because under roy cooper and Beverly Perdue the event given a raise for five to seven years they were stuck at 37,000 a year and it is through pay raises for anyone else to help the teachers of the 127 years and we raised the pay 35,000 a year. Only on im the only one on the stage with a teaching degree into that understands what its like to stay in front of the class andt. Kids. This governor has shown them respect and giving pay raises they should deserve. My mom was a Public School teacher. Teacher. Ive seen how hard they work and they understand the challenges they face. Just like the record time and time again the governor isnt being honest about these figures. They are contrived and they do not reflect reality. Fl the fact is we are 41st innd 44h teacher pay. We have thousands leaving North Carolina for better pay and more respect. Go listen to teachers and parents and ask if the changes have made a better difference in the classroom. Le about you need to be straight with people of Public Education and get your facts straight and represent the record correctly. You are about as straight as another trial lawyer. You were fooling the jury right now. Facts, not rhetoric say they did help to teacher the teachers ans still a lot more to do. We have benefits for the teachers and we have increased in the triple the rate of moneys for preschool for supplies and books something that was missing under the administrations. At when i was the majority leader wmajorityleader we movedy from 42nd to 21st in the country in four years. That is wrong for our state. I will invest in education. I will invest in Early Childhood and make sure our classrooms have resources and get the willt teacher pay to the average. You said its not enough. Why not do it now . We finally have a surplus an. A Rainy Day Fund. The attorney general recommended a Rainy Day Fund was too high. Ladies and gentlemen, we have had a lot of rain and you were telling people they should have spent more of that money and nov hold it over the side. Is another thing you deceived then people of when i came into office the teacher pay is 48 and we reduce it to 41. By the way next years pay will be in the low 30s. Where do you get the money . Dt when you talk about Disaster Relief, governor mccory took money out of the disaster relier fund for house bill number two. He took 500,000 out of the Disaster Relief fund. What we do is make education a priority. That the governors priority is continued Corporate Tax giveaways. What we have to do is put at the top of the list of what we want to do to make sure we get them to the National Average. I havent spent 1 of the Disaster Relief fund we were proven to by the legislature anr i made a statement we will not spend any of that money. Eg he knows that. Hes being deceptive to the public and to the jury and you should know better. This is exactly what is wrong with politics today. The governor could have vetoed the legislation. F its being used for disasters. He spoke to a group and said we have to much money in the reserves. Es what if i told you dont save so much grave and spend it. We wouldnt have reserves to deal with this hurricane. I grew up in eastern North Carolina and i helped push through the Disaster Relief funds for hurricane floyd. I support a surplus and we made sure that we hope to people that have been victims. We have to pull together. We shouldnt be taking money out of the Disaster Relief fund. 62nd responses from both of you. You sign the two measures restricting Abortion Access in the state even after pledging four years ago that you were not going to add any more restrictions. Are you surprised your record is being defined as a social conservative quest to . A doctor making sure you dont do an abortion after five months, thats not a restriction on the individual, but the wall and it just requires a record of the event impact and i made sure every wall that is passed meet constitutional standards which texas didnt do it and make apple so its something the attorney general didnt. We have to abortion clinics were treating women so poorly they were not even cleaning the flooc or the utensils or the tools used for an abortion cannot even cleaning them. So that is so cruel and we took care of it but i made sure that all rules protected Womens Health and also get the spirit of the law. Thats what weve done and thats why we have had no challenges in the law. This is another example of distorting his own record. On the debate stage just like this one he promised he woul pick no more restrictions on a womans right to choose yet he supports legislation that puts the State Government in the exam room between a woman and her dr. You talk about a restriction has legislation requires that a doctor send a womans ultrasound to the State Government. How would you feel about the policy if we dont need State Government bureaucrats reviewing womens ultrasounds this is the kind that he promised he wouldnt put in place but he did and now hes coming around saying thats not a restriction. People would say that it is. Why over 16 years as attorney general protect the women that were being abused in nashville and charlotte. There was a doctor in her own merit to say these Women Deserve a safe abortion and you did nothing. You stood on the sideline while they were basically being treated off like women should be. We have reopened those facilities because that is the law and the constitution. This is another example of governor mccrory putting social issues as the best interest of the state and safety of the citizens. You have house bill number two about the abortion issues, refusal to extend medicaid. What he continues to do with putting rightwing social ideological issues ahead of the best interest of the citizens. That is where he and i differ. We are going to take a quick break for a Public Service announcement and when we come back we will have questions on policing, criminal Justice Reform and maybe a little president ial politics. So many cold North Carolina m home. Residents enjoy 300 miles pristine beaches from the coast to the mountains and everywhere in between, broadcasters and North Carolina are proud to provide high Quality Programming that educates, informs andnortha entertains. The North Carolina association of broadcasters we the nation on educating the public and businesses about the values ofna broadcasting through the association of broadcasters over 300 support the local community and state by connecting viewersg to their world. The association of Broadcasters Foundation is proud to make thip possible as a Public Service. We are back live. Earlier this month you were quoted as saying the crime lab you have ever seen for more than a decade as providing Excellent Service and the processing timei for a case is seven and a half months. This was called Excellent Service. Should voters be concerned about the management skills because we have these great times quite this is an issue about leadership, finding a problem in accepting responsibility and is holding it. When i became attorney general there were over 5,000 dna rape kits sitting on the shelves and we also have years of shoddy investigation. I ordered independent investigation and made sure we got rid of that backlog and work to make sure all of youre scientists were certified in the lab and providing good Service Across the state. When you talk about crime labs, governor mccrory was the mayor of charlotte when they had a crime lab into the destroyed hundreds of dna kits most of them and open cases. In open cases. He didnt fix the problem. When he left the Mayors Office it was still happening and im sure people hear him blame it on somebody else like he usually does. The reason short of it had its own crime lab as the attorney general cooper couldnt do his job and not only does charlotte made its own crime lab now greensboro has its own lab. If hes doing such a good job its because they are tired of waiting on you. I have one department withb . 16,000 employees just one of the departments that he is responsible for. If you cant handle the crime lab after 14 or 16 years how will you handle all of stateare government . O you talk to the sheriffs one reason they say you dont have a backlog is because send it out. It could take half a year or the year to get a blood test back. They would give thousands upon thousands of dollars and loved the crime lab just as it is. Another distortion, it was started in 1969 so once again hes trying to blame somebody else. With the North Carolina statee crime lab befor weve put thousf rapists and murders is in jail and hope to clear innocent people across North Carolina working hard with Law Enforcement every single day and its critical that we continueue the funding. I havent gotten one email requesting help from the time the band hes only done 14 and 16 years as attorney generalal that seems he would talk to the governors and send emails to the leaders to say help me withs this crime lab. You havent done that. Ive will give you 30 and then i will give him 30. We met with the budget director into the budget Team Every Time for the legislature and all of a sudden she had become interested in the crime lab issue during the last few months. It is critical that there be resources to make sure the crimes were solved and the governor mccrory hasnt been his job in providing those resourc resources. The western part has been suffering because of the lack of productivity. It was basically a political hack. Yoyou signed a law saying they e not required to release footage from poppy cameras unless theres a court order. The law would have barred the police from releasing video as they ended up doing last month before the law took effect. We need to balance the publicic interest and of those that are being investigated. They wouldve up to show the video right away but the fact of the matter is we have a criminal investigation going on right n now. Let me correct you in the the question it doesnt neither release. It allows the third party to make that decision because the politicians shouldnt be making that decision should be the mayor or governor it should bee an impartial judge who determines the Constitutional Rights of those in the video versus the rights of the public to know and thats what the new law does. We had no rules before and im pleased that the thought more. Im grateful to the men and women of Law Enforcement thatwol served honorably and risk their lives every day to keep us safe. I am also mindful that there ar so many communities out there that feel targeted and yearn to be heard and for respect. We have a governor that will sue make sure we have Mutual Respect and part of that is transparency. We need to make sure the Community Trusts what Law Enforcement is doing. Gnifican thats why there are significant problems because they believe the records and videotapes should be open. Ea there are sometimes when it should be kept confidential but the presumption should be public because the more transparency you have, the more respect you will continue to develop. Ter th he expresses concern and in a recording he was in favor of it to get the endorsement of federal police and i got the endorsement and im very proud w to have not only their v endorsement but five other organizations because i care both for the victims and the persons being investigated. It needs to be taken out of sec. Politics. I have strong support from Law Enforcement. Again, the story isnt true. What we have to do is make sure that we earn the Mutual Respect. Lawenforcement needs to look like the communities they protect and serve. I will be the strong lawenforcement governor but we also need to make sure our communities are respected if they work with community policing. All of these will be 30 seconds. Hillary clinton said i think implicit bias is a problem for everyone including police. They definitely need more training. All of us have biases thatat conflict with our jobs. Needs we need training and we also need to emphasize community policing. When lawenforcement officers work with communities and get to know the communities i think yok have safer Law Enforcement andnd better lawenforcement all the way around. Accept the fact that there is implicit bias . It isnt necessarily racial. It might be how they dress and how they look and the environment we might be in those are also tools to determine what action to take and what we haves to do i agree we need more training for the Police Office officers. I helped institute the community policing. Its vital that the Police Officer get out of the cars ands and walk the neighborhood had become problem solvers. Im a Firm Believer in that. The way that our president has done his first year in office is not appropriate. What does the term black lives matter mean to you . We ne it is a statement that is true. We need to continue this effort that many communities feel targeted and discriminated against. Ar they want to be heard andnd respected. Solutely there are many in Law Enforcement that would agree this is something we have to do. I was an admirer of Martin Luther king who believed we should be judged by the content of you our character not our skn and i think all lives should matter. We should value every human lifn life that we have to recognize the anger communities have with how they interact with Law Enforcement at the same time we have to recognize the pressure of the Police Officers who everyday leave their families from not knowing if they will come back into the officers most involved recently had no idea about what happened to th them. Their lives are also changed. You released a statement condemning Donald Trumps comments from 2005. Many withdrew their support froy the republican nominee. Wh why didnt you . When my family moved us down on my first day i didnt say yes maam to the teacher and they washed my mouth out with soap from something so minor andho import of showing respect to the teachers sometimes when i see the president ial candidate he needs to have his mouth washed out with soap and so does mrs. Clinton because the teacher always said dont tell a lie and she lives a lies an awful lot ae emails, the benghazi, maybe she needs a bar of soap next time she doesnt tell the truth. Im voting for the candidates that represencandidatethat reprs even though i disagree with the character traits on issues likeh immigration, obamacare is a total disaster that the attorney general continues to praise. Its hard to believe governor mccrory continues to support a candidate that condones Sexual Assault and has admitted he does firs and continues to demean women. This is the first time ive heard you speak up at all about donald trump. Youve gone to his rallies and made jokes onstage. When a gold star family was demeaned by donald trump youou didnt say anything. Governor mccrory and donald trump are a lot alike. They have trouble with the facts and engaging divisive rhetoric. When you were in your first years event to make some difficult decisions and im sure you were uneasy but you have to make a choice and balance thosee character traits. Its a sad thing we both have to make those decisions. C donald trump is bad for the country and governor mccrory continues to go across the state and attend his rallies and continue to support him. I think thats wrong and i would call on him today to withdraw t his support considering this type of language that says hes committed crimes, governor mccrory still supports him. Most majority of the carolinians do not think very clinton or donald trump are trustworthy. C i believe the secretary will help keep our country more safe and secure. Shes not going to be a dangerous precedent like donald trump. Is he a role model for kids . I dont like the personal attacks. Any part of him a role model . He does stand strong on issues. I talked to the top leaders of the fbi and they laughed when i said they are checking thegr backgrounds of the refugees . Know they arent. When Hillary Clinton says they are doing a vetting process the fbi isnt even being told whereh they are. Former president bill clinton referred to the obamacare as the craziest thing in the world and he was pointing out the issue with exchanges. Here there is only one major insurer. Is obamacare brooking . Ry the reason there is only onep on the exchanges because governor mccrory have a fault at the exchange where more people can get Health Insurance and dave withdraw money that can help encourage more companies td become competitive. Theyve refused to accept the billions that have been paid to come back and expand medicaid to hundreds of thousands and here we are again putting the socialu issues ahead of the best in thee state. Governor Chris Christie and ever mike pence on the ticket withai donald trump, they saw that in their state even if theyey disagree with the policy, hes continued to say no. The blame game is coming. Being blamed for obamacare is a first. Genera youve refused to fight obamacare because you thought it would be fantastic. Its been a total failure if you talk to any business personpersn right now, youve had a nice setup for 26 years. If you talk to someone with obamacare it would cost 20 to 30,000 a year. If you feel so good about obamacare, get off of the statec plan we have right now. With this policy already sent at the federal level the governor cannot accept the billions in taxpayer money weve already paid and take pressure off the Small Businesses. Take pressure off the private employers who see a benefit. Others have seen a benefit in abour insurance premiums but hes got to continue talking about it. Its okay to admit that its a failure. By the way i do agree in some way on alzheimers patients that cant help themselves i want to emphasize helping those that cant help themselves. I met with president , in the white house in the oval office to encourage them to work with us to have a North Carolina plan not washington, d. C. We can make a North Carolina plan and expand medicaid. That opportunity is there. To say we are not getting Health Insurance to people that neededc it, this is the perfectr he pai opportunity but he continues to say no. You are going to keep the plan that youve enjoyed for 26 yea years. Its irresponsible to enter into something no not feeling the constant right now the costs are greater than anticipated. I inherited a mess forecast on spending from the perdue from administration. One more topic. The federal court sai federal cl that you signed in 13 targeted africanamericans with almost surgical precision. We both agree on the issue of drug addiction. If i eat is good enough for sudafed if anyone things with tens of millions on the ground if you dont think theres a potential for voter fraud you are digging your head in the sand. In chicago and West Virginia and texas it occurs and we needed make sure we do everything we can. Legislat the governor knows this was much broader although that was the strictest in the country that had to do with the ease off early voting and registration. T when they said that this discriminates against minorities and students it was time toattoy stop. They use taxpayer money to pay for attorneys to continue to appeal this. Or it shameful to keep pushing th this. You will get more time. You could get 90 seconds for your closing statement. Thank you to the broadcasters and governor mccrory for joining me, my wife and family who are there today, thanks to all of you for watching at home. Even though we disagree on a lot of things we agree we have to pull together to help them. Nd ive always been proud to call North Carolina home and i still am but over the last few years some things have changed we heard about. For decades you could travel across the country and tell people youre from North Carolina an into the questions would be on university and thats what is going on in North Carolina at the first thing we have to do is recognize the problems. 41st in the nation isnt good enough. We need to do the National Average and we need a good job as governor who will work to bring. We need a governor that will help restore the greatnd reputation and i plan to do that. Thank you so much, bless you. Im going to work with team members and our prayers this will be a tough next 72 hours. I know with my family it is a hard thing to do. A politician like roy would consider record increases and teacher pay raises. This is leadership like weve never seen. Lets continue this progress forward because we live in theco best state in the United States of america. Thank you for a civil debate. This was brought to you by the North Carolina association. Im chuck todd from nbc news in queue for watching. Ncicap. Org a survey from the university of virginia looks at americas dissatisfaction with the economy, politics, political leaders and political culture at 1220 on cspan2. A look at how the Media Outlets covered the campaign 6 30 on cspan now a debate in the second Congressional District with retired air force general to talk about middle east policy, health care and gun control for about an hour. Retired general lincoln, the second congressional debate presented by the omaha world herald. Welcome to the race for congress. We will be the moderators thank you for joining us. We are hoping to have a Robust Exchange of ideas between the candidates the retired Brigadier General and democrat brad ashford the former state senator from omaha. We will make the debate as freefloating as we can but we want to give equal time to teach and we are asking them to keep their answers at about 60 seconds. When we ask you to move on please do so. We will give you a chance to respond. Lets get started. We start the debate with questions on the parties to nominees. As a member of the Armed Services committee you received contravention confidential briefings. How do you expect to handle confidential material in the white house . Thank you for putting this together it is an exceptional opportunity for us and we appreciate it. Youre right i received classified briefings on the emerging threats subcommittee and also the Strategic Force committee on a weekly basis and we are told about the classified information that we are getting and its part of how i make my judgments on the floor. Theres no excuse for secretary clinton is a private server and i say that over and over again but i do believe secretary clinton has the experience and relationships in congress to move the country forward. She knows the World Leaders in the house and senate and that is a critical part as we move forward to have those relationships. The emails were 2,000 classified emails. Some were topsecret and had information about the asians that are serving abroad. Then she lies to the American People for 16 months and still annoynoise that wasnt classifit they were. This next question is for you you havent ruled out the possibility of voting for donald trump also you want him to step down. Given your military background do you believe he is fit to serve as commanderinchief x. 8,000 folks in one command. If i would have said of the thae things he said i would have been relieved of duty. They were inappropriate and unacceptable comments however if i would have done what Hillary Clinton that i would have been courtmartialed and sent to jail for havin having secrets at homd compromising our security. Family members that have been sexually assaulted we have to stand tall on this. He said something wrong and she has done something wrong. First of all you said you were supportive of donald trump throughout the statements hes made up until the weekend and then you suggested he should step down and then use it wit to vote for him. He called the generals rubble. Those kind of statements are reflective of the character and i dont think that he is competent enough to be president of the United States. Brad is on the Leadership Team since last december and supported her. He said things that were indefensible so im going to have to vote for someone i have reservations about. In the end we cannot afford to be spending more, taxing more and undermining the security. Which nation poses the greatest threat to the United States and why . As i mentioned i si said on the emerging Threats Committee and received classified briefings every week. There is no question russia presents a threat for a long time to come into these exhibited at proof of the baltic ive had the opportunity to visit leaders throughout and its clear to me russia is pushing and pushing. Weve made some decisions to defend against that for the spyware issue is critical and we need to stand up the command as we are doing but russia in my view is the fact. Ive been an Intelligence Officer for roughly 30 years as well as the air force veteran. I do think russia is the largest existential threat. We have the Ballistic Missiles and putin has seen a weakness in this president and is trying to see how far he can go. We need to be strong but i think the more volatile threatbased fund the destruction of israel and will have a Nuclear Capability thats recognized and thats what scares me most about ten years out. How would you rate the strategy of fighting the state in iraq and syria and what would you do differently . I did one year in baghdad and i commanded a squadron in iraq and spent the last ten years studying the threat. I think president obama did too little and too late. It was six to seven strikes a day. You look at the territory basis controlled and we have to be broader and have a holistic strategy. We have to go after the finances didnt have a conversation of what motivates them to join. 60 seconds on the strategy of fighting the islamic state. We should have done it before and i criticized the president for not make that decision earlier. We have killed 45,000 fighters but the fight needs to go on and in iraq we have been able to push back and get 45 of the two agreed back. We need an authorization for the use of force. I called for that since i came to congress. It will set the mission. I have three troops and their commanders said we need this n now. We need a robust Stable Funding and we need an authorization for the use of force and then we have to have a way of moving forward. We need an authorization to use force. I will tell you isis is growing every day. They recruit every day over the internet. We have to go after the recruiting. Russian hacking how should america defend itself Going Forward . Weve had a Cyber Command. We will have approximately 62 new cyber warriors. I think the Cyber Command needs to be a separate combatant command. We also ought to enlarge the opportunity working in the private sector to bring expertise from Silicon Valley and right here in omaha to help with the fight. I had an opportunity to talk to the ceo and we came up with this idea of the plan leaves we could bring him to help. Its an all hands on deck private military to get to not only defend it as an offens thaf strategy against cyber. Theres much more to be done. I was there during the startup and russia does pose the largest threat. China is active in the industry and we hav get other countries involved as well. We need to continue investing and they will tell you weve made a lot of headway with russia and china but we need to do more with the counterterrorism part s silly se to grow that capability as well. Weve already discussed russia was further the conversation how coulhelp you handle vladimir pu. We dont want to be an enemy that hbut hes working against r interests. Idea what happened in georgia where he did sections if we dont stand and ive traveled and worked with them. We have to have a presence to serve as a deterrent and i think nato does perform a valuable function in theme to the new working with them but nato and the Baltic States need for deterrence. How would you handle Vladimir Putin . He is an adversary and we need both an aggressive. We are rotating troops in and out of portland, we are counteracting. I traveled up the Baltic States and other areas and troops theres absolutely no question about the 55th and the buzzing of the russian planes but we need to enforce our boundaries and Eastern Europe and be very clear that this was the continues to go after the other areas we will resist that and make sure they understand we will act aggressively if necessary. To do a nofly zone with the russians already there is a conflict so i do not think that its a wise move to do the nofly zone. We will put refugees in these areas and feed them closer to home so they dont become refugees in europe but its a recipe for conflict o conflict e coordinate with them. I think we do need to nofly zones and we will enforce the end of the diplomatic efforts have stalled and we have to make it clear we are going to protect civilians in safe zones and enforcing the nofly zones for the air force isnt out in the field after our sunni purpose intpartnersinto the civilian po. Obviously the 250,000 who have died in the tragedies need to be in my view need to be stopped. It should be done before. Now its too late to do that but we do need t the safe havens for the refugees. I think we can coordinate the eventually he needs to go and we are coordinating. Ive been in the basis and i know where those conversations go on into various some coordination that we need to be clear weve met with the general on several occasions and hes planned for a safe so. One of the popular features is denying coverage based on preexisting condition. The other is to mandate that requires everyone to have insurance. They go hand in hand. Without that people would wait until they have a heart attack. Can we have one without the other . Thereve been close to 70 efforts now to repeal it without a replacement plan so we have wasted time that we could be trying to reform it. To cover for 26yearolds and lifetime caps the individuals to buy insurance but we need to make that more affordable and work with Small Business to remove the mandate because employees already do provide insurance to their employees across the country so the mandates have insurance but we have to get the cost down and that means working across the aisle to do it. It has to be done in a bipartisan way. Its one of the worst things in our economy. Its always the number one or number two problems talked about to give the average family pays more than 370 in premiums. Deductibles have skyrocketed. I would repeal and replace obamacare. Obamacare. There are good proposals right now in congress and we could fix this and spinnaker do you believe the mandate we do need to preexisting coverage. We can assure folks are covered. We dont need washington, d. C. Bureaucrats. We need the patient Centric Healthcare where people can take their policy and from job to j job. Obamacare is a failure. When i ran i said i wouldnt vote for obamacare because it wasnt a bipartisan effort. What needs to be done is we need to address these in a bipartisan way. Your party has proposed the appeals of obamacare and about 50 or 60 times before i got there without any replacement so what do you tell the 20 Million People now that you have insurance or preexisting conditions we have to reformat that means working across the aisle and i want to see the plan you are talking about. I would be more than happy to support changes and ive got cosponsors. One of the things you brought up for those that say get rid of obamacare and its been between 16. 5 to 20 million. I think 20 million overall. What would you do what you support stripping people of their coverage and now it appears the rules might change. Doctor price congressman from georgia, Orthopedic Surgeon who need people on these proposals would we need to do is get the Regulatory Authority out of washington, d. C. Out of the hands of bureaucrats and back to the state level to ensure can go from job to job and take your coverage with you. Obamacare is why the costs skyrocketed. We can cover folks and help out folks that come up with their family and have it at a state level and out of washington, d. C. Ive been there for 19 mont months. And i know people talk about this plan. Ive never seen a single suggestion. I would be happy to look at the form if it was put forward in a legislative package. It gave political position to repeal something and if passed in a partisan manner we have to make sure they do have competition and we need to deregulate physicians. If you have a plan i would be happy to look at it. If you have a divided house and senate like we do if they are to take back the senate that the republicans control the house what he set about fixing and improving it arent we going tor if we couldjust see a stale . If you talk to Small Businesses and medium or large size the one area we could do right away is get rid of the catholic tax where we are taxing health care insurance. One of the reasons employers bought into it after the forest because it was a benefit that wasnt tax. I was with an employer the other day that talked about a 40 increase in premium costs if we dont get rid of catholic tax. We need to make sure the kid wouldve thwe get themandate ove to buy insurance. We need to look at the taxes of the Small Businesses that are required to pay. I vote for giving states more flexibility. We tackled security and health care and at this point we will let the candidates catch their breath. When we come back they will ask each other questions. We are back in here at the point each candidate will be given the chance to ask the opponent a question. Based upon the drawing of cards mr. Ashford goes first. Only three democrats voted more times than me with republicans. The Congressional Quarterly has said im the sixth most bipartisan member in congress anmembers of congressand an obje health. I voted to debunk my putting on many occasions and i voted against iran deal and full accountability at the veterans administration. Would you pick three initiatives were issues you would leave your party. They will support nato because they deserve support. If President Trump comes in and thinkmakes that one of his initiatives, i will stand and ensure that im a strong voice and i also wil wont be careful about the use of force. I see the combat firsthand to ensure we dont over beach the personal bad decision. Publicans support nato wholeheartedly. Theres a difference of opinion but certainly republicans a nofly zone over republicans who dont. Are there any issues he would differ with the position because i dont think that the trump and republican positions are the same. I would be careful how we talk about immigration and the borders. I would have been more moderate approach on how to handle it and i dont think a onesizefitsall approach wor works. We ought to provide a pathway for legalization. Im not a blank check for either party or president. Its now your turn to ask a question. I want to talk about isis and terror. Do you know which cities in nebraska are on that list and what would you do after a major attack if one did over . I dont know what cities are on the kill list, i havent been briefed on that but if you do, tell me. Which cities are on the what would be your response . To bring together the local Law Enforcement people, homeland security, fbi first two aggressively resist the attack obviously that our local Law Enforcement people need to have bu thats why they voted to e sure people have the equipment such an attack were to occur. I then make sure that we had an integrated response and i would add that this individual groups come together and i would also make certain that we have access to the technology so we can find out what additional attacks are occurring and make sure Something Else doesnt happen. They have to have the equipment and ability to respond and bring in whoever is on the team to respond. Theres one city thats important to note [inaudible] i brought this up because i have a close relationship with the mayor who supports the monarchic for playing soccer in the 90s together. I would talk to her to make sure i knew what she needed and commander is someone ive served with three times. Both are in the district and would support me. Had a lot of great relationships and i want to make sure we can support them through my actions in congress. I like all the people that support you. Rita sanders is great. One of the toughest things ive been doing is working across the aisle to get the runway done. If you were there that often couldnt get it done. I worked with the white house and we were able to get them to go along with the runway which will help protect the national security. Theres been increased to talk about racial injustice. Do you think that the black lives matter has a valid complaint in the way that they interact with africanamericans clacks i served as the germane to the number of years and we dont with these issues all the time. I worked with the Network Since it was formed and we have some legal responses and ive talked to many of my friends from the cities with these issues. We have a grand jury in Police Officer is involved that provides transparency and the ability for the public to know that its had an immediate looksee. When i was on the committee we knew that the Crime Commission collected information on all traffic stops. We know and anybody can look at where those traffic stops occur. On the state and federal level to provide balance. Do you believe they have a valid complaint. I thought there was a great response to what happened at northwestern. They had the right to protest. Bring Law Enforcement together. This is an opportunity to have a collaboration. The gentleman in the carolinas that was pulled over was behind on Child Support payments and i think likewise there is a higher meaning when you look at unemployment rates they are three, four, five times higher