Transcripts For CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20160813

This week on q a, corey pegues former deputy with the new York Police Department. He discusses his book, once a cop the street, the law, two worlds, one man. Corey pegues, your book is called once a cop. What is it about . Guest its a memoir, my life story, details i have been through the retiring. Host when did you retire . Guest march 2013, officially retired, but i was injured september 2011. It back surgeries. I was injured at work trying to arrest someone i popped a disk in my back. Host at the time, what was your rank and where are you a policeman . Guest at the time of my injury i was a commander north of the 67 precinct and my rank was Deputy Inspector. Host in the new York Police Department . Guest yes. Host let me show you video of George Herbert walker bush would he was president in 1991, and get you to talk about this moment because you talk about it in your book. Scenic this, this is crack cocaine seized a few days ago by Drug Enforcement agent in a park just across the street from the white house. They could have easily have been harrowing or pcp, but its as innocent as looking as candy, but it is turning our cities in the battleground and murdering our children. Let there be no mistake, this stuff is poison. Host using your book almost right away you sold that stuff. Guest yes. Host why . Guest because of the environment i grew up in. I grew up with gangsters and drug dealers. I grew up on welfare. I was in a family of six , five girls and myself. My father left after the third grade and its ironic in my book, once a cop, in the fifth grade i was sitting indian style in the front and im holding my feet because ive hold in the bottom of my shoes and i had cardboard in it so my socks would not get wet, so i do rough upbringing and i got involved in the streets that were selling drugs, so was the thing to do and i started selling drugs. We sold marijuana, cocaine, then crack cocaine came out we started selling that. I was on the streets from the age of 13 to 18 host whats the difference between cocaine and crack cocaine . Guest crack cocaine is cooked in rock form. Host like we saw in that bag . Guest yes. Host and what is mescaline . Guest its a little tiny pill that people take. They put it under their tone. I dont even know if that stuff is still around. Host whats is a lucy . Guest a lucy is unlike what eric gardner got killed for in Staten Island. He got killed for by a lucy ecigarettes. The origin of lucy was when we were in the streets selling marijuana, a loose joint. Instead of selling a nickel or dime bag of weed and you have to roll them up yourself, we did the rolling for you and we would sell you a loose joint for 1 dollar. You have lucys or you would nickel bag of. Host what is a woolly . Guest just a loose joint of marijuana laced with cocaine and marijuana joint sprinkled with cocaine. You got the height and the low. Host who was smooth . Guest smooth was a good friend of mine who i grew up with and he actually introduced me to the streets and at the ironic thing about him is he didnt really have to, so he had a twofamily home. Mom one for that that Telephone Company and father worked for the post office, house, car, white picket with friends and just because of the amount we grew up in there was a lot of people involved in the streets and he gravitated towards the streets and he brought me in on whole drug gang that i started hanging out with. Host why did you want to write about . Guest im glad you asked that question. No one ever asked that question. The real reason i wrote this book is for generations behind me, my kids, grandkids, great karen kids pick a one of them to anothers life transformation and made in the net into this book i had to write and tell my story because i was put on the front page of a new newspaper in new york city and i took some shots of my personality, my demeanor, my character and try to vilify me cause i had to tell my story. The backup people dont know is i wrote my whole book and stopped at walk across the stage, graduating so its like all this stuff i did on the street i was poor. I was on the street, went to the military and graduated and became a cop and it was over and that was the end of my book until this newspaper hits and then i had to go through like my entire Police Career just so that i could, you know, lessen some of the stuff that was put out about me that were all lies. Host heres the front page of that New York Post that i think you are talking about right there and it says i dont crack as a gangster nypd honcho reveals that cop we saw that what was your reaction . Guest my reaction to that, i wasnt happy about it because i never was a thug cop. I did sell crack when i was in the street. I dont know if i consider myself a gangster. A gangster to me is like a john gotti. I wasnt murdering people. I was a street hustler that sold drugs, so i was a criminal. It was bad for my family. I family had to endure that and wake up in the morning. Theres a picture of me with the president of the United States in the book, maybe the future president hillary clinton, michael bloomberg, ll cool j. I had such a fantastic life after those five years and now with me being on that front cover, it took all that away and it wasnt an easy time for my family and i knew i was never a thug cop. Nypd has a federal probe going on now and there will be numerous executives walked up. Those are thug cops. I never committed a crime is a con. I was probably the cleanest cop for 21 years and the reason being i thought that they were a was looking at because of my past, because of the came i came to work dressed, because of my tattoos and stuff like that, so i was so clean i was thought it was a set up. Host lets go through just some brief outline of your life. You were born what hearing where . Guest 1968, in queens hospital beds closed. Host where did you go to school in those early days . Guest in jamaica, queens. Psw six. I got kicked out in the third grade for pushing girls. I had to go to 136 and i got bust out to Junior High School 158 and into Newtown High School for engineer program and invited some of my crack friends to come see me play basketball and they had a riot and the school can beat up your everyone out after the game and i got kicked out of there and he went to one of the works high schools and ended up graduating from jackson high school. Host what year . Guest 1987. Host what years reselling drugs on the Street Corners . Guest eightyfour, 85. I left and 87. Host after high school and after eating 87 what happened . Guest i went into the u. S. Army host how long . Guest three years and eight months. Iraq one, that war 30 days, my list that was up and george bush was the president , and he extended everyone. Host were you on duty eight years and three months . Guest yes. Host and active duty in the National Guard . Guest i was in the National Guard for 14 years, so that 18 years of us military service. Host that takes us up to what year, 92, 93 . Guest march of 92. Actually, march of 91 i got out of the military for january, 92, went to the police academy. Host when did you become a policeman . Guest generator 13, 1992. Host how long did you serve as an active duty, new york police policeman and we will talk about what happened during your promotions. Guest twentyone years as a new York City Police officer. Host going to show some video of you on the Street Corner talking about where you used to sell drugs to people and get shot of what it was like. This is my spot right here. I spent countless hours here, 12, 24, 48. This is where the drug trade was all day every day there was not enough to do, but to sell drugs took it was our most like cool thing to do. This whole park was the supreme thing, so i like i had this area here. Yet understand supreme team. All the lieutenants had different color caps on their crack cocaine, so i might have the blue. If you were were blue you need can overhear. The Handball Court was another worker. We had someone down here by the baseball it was just crack all over the park. Host who was buying . Guest everyone was buying. With crack hit it decimated that community and i was one of the people that was supplying the poison. Everyone was buying your cat friends, family members id family members on drugs. Everybody and it came from all walks of life. People who did not have money. There were pretty that were pretty fluid. It was a middleclass neighborhood for the most part. There were people with nice houses and stuff that were buying. White people would come in. White people would drive into by. Everyone was buying this crack cocaine. Host talk about the violence with the blue tops and all that. How much would each of those costs . Guest we had two vials. Wit a small one and a big one. The big one we would call a jumbo and that would go for 10 or 5. 5 for the little one and 10 for the big one. Host how much did you make it a . Guest so, now i worked to different places. I worked on my own as a freelancer where you saw that video we just showed. That was the supreme team, but i was working on my home. We were making a thousand, 2000 a day. I worked for the supreme team and it has been made that they made upwards of 20000 a week. Host who was the supreme team . Guest it was a drunk the crew ran by this guy named supreme and he had his nephew working with him and a bunch of lieutenants, maybe about five lieutenants. It was actually run like a fortune 500 company. I dont know if they do this today. Like we worked shift, 12 at night till the morning, eight till four then eight till for midnight. It was a job. The ironic thing was we worked that exact same hours as the Police Officers. Some of these criminals out here could run fortune 500 companies. They are smart pick the emulated the Police Department schedule and it was so good they started to pay the police often i talk about that in the book. Host did you ever get paid off as a policeman . Guest now, i could not be bribed. I was deathly afraid. I was that it was a set up. Guest no one even offered me money and time i talk about the book where we stopped someone with a bag of money in it he said i dont know whose money it is as if to insinuate take it, no care. I was like no because i did the math really quick. If you have 15 20000 and i split with my partner i could make a Million Dollars if i keep this job for 20 years. I would embarrass my family took it just in work. Host where would you personally get the drums on a day to day basis and how much where did you keep it when you are standing on a Street Corners were at the park . Guest back then a lot of times we held drums on as because the police were not as prevalent as today. The ironic thing was there were more police, like 50000 Police Officers in new york city back then and now theres 36 thousand, but they were proactive. We would just put it under a tire well, stick in a tree, but you would keep some on you so you wouldnt have to keep running back to the stash. Obviously, you cant carry 200. As a supreme team i would package two or 300 files for a shift peer to had that in your pocket pockets and just laid it down somewhere. Host there are supreme team members that are still around you know . Guest yes. Host was it ever uncovered by the way, and this book there are so many names. How many of those names are the actual names of the people . Guest only two people names are the same. Everyone else host those two are . Guest supreme and prince. Host by the way, when we saw you in the video who is the other fellow in the video with you there . Guest smooth. Host tell me more about smith. Guest smooth went on to become high ranking official in Law Enforcement, also. People dont know. They find out in the book. He changed his life. He actually went to catholic school. He went to Catholic High School and he went to Prestigious University all while doing these things that i was doing. He changed his life and became a Law Enforcement supervisor. He just recently recite retired also. Host heres the former mayor of new york city, read up giuliani. You have a few things to say about him in the book. This is only about 25 seconds. Doesnt know why the morale of the new york city Police Department is so low. He blames it on me. He blames it on you. The reason of the morale is so low is one reason and one reason alone, david. Host and affectionately called former mayor a clown. Guest yes. Host why . Guest i worked that detail. I will never forget. Host you were there. Guest i was on the steps of city hall because it was growing to be a big protest, so they had to have Police Officers there and i will never forget that protest. There were people, cops these were all cops Walking Around with nooses, signs with the letter and word. It was bad. I felt really really bad to be a Police Officer, probably the worst day in my career of being a Police Officer. Felt really bad. Host 1992. Guest yes and the things he was saying. He was just rallying up it was basically a major racist protest. Thats really what it is you could just look back at the old footage. A bunch of drunk white cops and a couple of white agitators such as giuliani packing them on saying these really nasty things about the mayor, sort of like whats going on now. In bunch of cops sammys nasty things. Host David Jenkins was black . Guest yes. Host he was sane racist things you say . Guest the whole crowd to. Host what was the reason for him making a speech . Guest he wanted to be the mayor. He had lost the election to him. Mary jenkins became the mayor because he beat Rudy Giuliani in the state election and so now, for the reelection giuliani was going really hard because he wanted to be the mayor and with a few missteps by mayor jenkins, the rights, the Washington Heights riots, he tipped the scale and he won. Host someone else you call a clown is a man named Bernie Kerrick. Guest bernard kerrick, former Police Commissioner nypd. Host why a clown . Guest will, it was cronyism at its best. Here you have a guy who had a Police Career and his only claim to fame as a Police Officer was being a detective in the Police Department, which is on the same scale as a cop. The rate structure its cop, lieutenant, david spector, chief, cheap, cheap and he became the mayor of new york city and he made this detective down here and brought him and made him the Police Commissioner. Number one person in this paramilitary organization, which is the biggest Police Department in the country. I mean, after Ivan Ray Kelly and the Police Commissioner to bring kerrick, get a you could see. He just did four years in federal prison for corruption, taking things. Like that would not happen. When youre going through the ranks you know you cannot do this, you cant do that, you cant do this, you can do that. Leadership does not start down here project to work your way to the top. You just cant springboard someone there because he was your bodyguard. And giuliani was running for mayor kirk was his volunteer bodyguard and he won the mayor and he made corrections commissioner and then brought him to the Police Department, which was the biggest joke in the Police Department. Its well known he wasnt running the Police Department. Host what was your personal reaction when Bernie Kerrick went to prison . Guest i was like basically he wasnt prepared for the job. That was basically it in my estimation. He wasnt prepared for the job. Host since you published this book, you made some people very unhappy. Want to run some video of the fellow that runs the Police Benevolent association. You seen this before and explain it. Think this gentleman is Patrick Lynch. Before we watched those what his job is. Guest Union President for bike 35000 or 30 something thousand cops in the nypd, so Union President. Host what after this New York Post story cannot before we do this, the thug life thing, where did that come from . Guest i really couldnt tell you. Host the tattoos is what im getting at. Guest just started. The rumor mill, someone said i had thug life on my neck, which i dont. Host and you didnt have it removed . Guest i never had it removed. You cant write overriding. To have two laser my tattoo often that would have a shadow. It just dont work. If you took a pin right now and wrote cat and right tried right dog on it, dog wont be legible. I could only put a snake over to cover it up. Host so, where is it . Guest i have a tattoo of my wifes name on my neck right here. Host you have been married twice. Which wife is it . Guest my current wife, brenda. Host thats whats on your neck . Guest yes. Host ended as for the thug life thing came from . Guest yes. Host patrick runs the Police Benevolent association and you remember that . Guest guests. Yes as you move up you change unions. Host larger highstrength . Guest Deputy Inspector Deputy Inspector. Host did you look at commissioner being the cop then where does Deputy Inspector commend . Guest commissioners about four or five ranks higher, but in terms of numbers with the department 36000 as a Deputy Inspector you probably have 35000 people under you. Host here is Patrick Lynch on the street being interviewed in new york city see that theres a headline a month ago about a retired Deputy Inspector. He was on a announcing he was sold crack cocaine and that he wants he never should be collecting a pension is a new York Police Department. If he was palling around with drug dealers or had information about drug users that killed a new York City Police officer, he never was a new York City Police officer. He should not be allowed to carry that id in his pocket. Its a privilege, college to serve. He is not entitled to that privilege. They should look back at the initial investigation and find out where he lied and pulled his pension and never allow him to be a Police Officer. Host whats your reaction . Guest that shows the major difference of a cop and an executive. Lets just say i light on my application. See, he is so not informed that lying is what you call perjury and the statue of limitations may be five years, so if he was executive he would know that, but hes a cop spewing venom. He didnt have a clue. All he did was arrest people. He was never any policymaking position to be wellinformed on what crimes are. Host wising that you . Guest he standing next to eddie burns brother who is the deputy commissioner. They are upset because i know the killer of eddie burns and i claim that in the book. Host eddie burns was a cost . Guest yes. Host when was he killed . Guest february, 1988. I went to the military. Host who is the guy that killed him . Guest there were three guys who are in jail for decades now. Host and the one fellow they are upset about that you knew . Guest david mcclary. Host hes in prison . Guest hes in prison. Host again, just because thats his brother standing right there guest for him to make such a you know what really gets me is there is no pushback with the reporter there appear for him to say i withheld Vital Information on the killing of a cop, do you think for one iota or second that if i had any information leading to probably the most infamous murder in the history of the nypd, if my name was on any sheet, any pad, any little sticky, if my name was on anything, do you think i wouldve been able to be a new York City Police officer . No way in the world. I can guarantee you that if i was implicated in any crime of a murder, forget it, any murder. Find out where he lied, i never lied on the application. If they wouldve asked me if i sold crack cocaine i wouldve told them. I was try to get my life in order. I just got out of the military. My wife and kids, wanted to do whats right and i wanted this job because i knew this would be a lifechanging event for my entire family. Firstgeneration Police Officer, first one with a high school diploma, first one to go to college, get my masters, be of professor, i was ready to take life and do what was right and i wasnt going to say anything to jeopardize that. Host where the circumstances of eddie byrne being killed . Guest there was a murder out there, drug gang murdered a witness. One of the drug games was premuch brands with the dream team. They ordered a hit on a Police Officer because he got locked up. There is this poor kid, eddie burns sitting in front of this house and these three guys came up and murdered him. The other thing about the whole eddie burns up for is that every year his family after he died they had a memorial. I would go to the memorial every single year. And met his brother, his mother, father. And thats all of them i did it every year. I went there, but because i wanted to tell my life story of this transformation of selling drugs and i knew these people and i did all of these crazy things as a young kid, but i was never arrested , so why shouldnt i be able to tell my story . I mean, every month the nypd says a few hundred checks to prison for a pension check for people in the prison. They want to take my prison, but i never did anything. Host you make 135,000 a year taxfree as your pension . Guest thats what the publication say. I have a taxfree pension, yes. Host and they want that taken away from you . Guest they cant do it. Its impossible. Host is a very lossy backandforth . Guest no, the lawsuit pending if the nypd now for taking my guns in the New York Post for slandering me. Im a couple hundred Million Dollar lawsuit that will be successful because i did not do anything. On did was tell my story like im sitting here. I was on a podcast and told my story. Trying to get the book build, get as much excitement as we can and it actually worked. We got the book, but i did not know i was going to be on the front page next to jeer that derek jeter next to his three or four games. Host combat jack has a podcast . Guest yes. Host what year did you talk to him . Guest 2014. Host who is he . Guest he has the number one hiphop podcast in america. Any hiphop star goes on his show. I was able to leverage and meet with him through my lawyer. He was fascinating. Combat, reggie ocean is his name and he was passing by my story and wanted to bring me on. Host how long did you talk to him . Guest about an hour. Host as the first time you ever told your story . Guest is the first time i ever publicly told my story. Host so, it was after that that the post picked it up and put it on the front page. Whats with that headline again, so people who may have tuned in later, theres the headline, told cop. Now i want to run just bit of the audio from combat jacks program. Guest verse one or the second one quick one i dont know. Youll have to tell me. You hear what started to all this that led to the Book Publishing this. Grab me like 13, me and my man sean. I need you to get these lucys. The ironic thing, if youre going to get murdered in Staten Island, for the record you heard what i said murdered, air carter was murdered and thats what it was a we to that. 13 im selling lucys. You know what the lucys was back then. Wasnt a cigarette. Loose joint. Host so, explain more of what you are talking about their . Guest we were talking about what you asked me about the lucys. In the lucy in the streets they call them joints, but they were marijuana cigarettes for the most part its still an accusation murder, was that story in case people were not following that closely . Guest that eric garner incident eric garner was a young man Staten Island who is trying to sell untaxed cigarettes allegedly in front of a store in Staten Island. The Police Responded to the location and pretty much was going to arrest him. He didnt want to go. Its all on video. He had a little bit of pushback. Not enough for him to be murdered, but enough for him to be read arrested. He ended up being choked out and killed. I mean, the medical examiner i was the purse first person to say this guy was murdered in that combat jack interview. I called a murder because i knew the nypd was illegal to do eight chokehold. Medical examiner said it was a homicide. Host thats whats making the bowl of and association mad . Guest you got understand this blue wall of silence. Host blue wall of science, one of your chapters in the book. Guest its real serious, like how my brothers keeper. Whatever you say, dont worry we will make the story up and make it fit i never was a part of that, so for me to come out say cop murdered someone, they did not take that too lightly. Host you trigger another memory from reading your book, a guy named bill work in greeley. You have strong themes are they both irish . Guest yes. Host you have strong things to say about irish cops. Explained that. Guest i had strong things to say about irish cops back when i was a cop because it was us old guard. These guys were like i came and 92, so these guys was like 17, 18 years. Late 70s early 80s and they were second, third generation. On firstgeneration, so these guys were coming in and had a lot of racist tendencies. Some of the irish cops wouldnt even speak to me when i would walk into a room. They would look at me like i didnt exist. I write one story there about im sitting in the lunch room by myself watching television eating my lunch and a tall irish guy of 20 years comes in and turns the tv off in front of me and i flipped the table over and mean he was going to have a big fight and everyone had to run in and break us up. It was a nasty disrespectful. Host he had been there 20 years and you had been there how long . Guest two years. Host youre watching television , comes and does not ask anything and just turns the television. Guest just turns it right off. It wasnt the first thing he did to me. They would use the nword loosely. This was 92. I was in it predominantly white precinct story of the 140 precinct. There were only 28 plaques. We were spread across the different tours, so my tour from forth till midnight, there was about four of us. It was tough. Host how did you see racism the size the story you just told. Give us other examples. Guest there are a lot of examples i could give you. Most of it was like promotions, assignments. I talk about putting in papers to go to this elite unit where my party who graduated the same day as i did see one was he white . Guest hes italian. I get the letter back and we had two years on the job in big red letters it said you need three years to apply. We go to roll caught and they call him at the rollcall and they say your 20 minutes ago down for your interview for the test. He was a really nice guy. He came to me almost with tears in his eyes and he said corey, im sorry and i was like dont worry about it. Do good on your interview. He ended up going to that elite unit, sight seeing things early on. We got 9 millimeters. Host 9millimeter guns . Guest 9millimeter handguns and it was supposed go by seniority, but all the white guys under me with less time got there is first and i had to wait blind to get mine. There were a lot of things, but all of that stuff made me stronger and wanted to get promoter because one thing that can stop racism is being in charge and when you are in charge, they dont have to like you, but its a paramilitary organization. I tell you to do and you move it i dont care what your feelings are. And your funds the boss i could make change. Host you mentioned your lawyer earlier. Much did your lawyer have to approve of this book . Guest not that attorney. Simon schuster, i have a whole staff of lawyers work of that book has been heavily vetted. I mean, we had go backandforth on names, places, no yet to take this out, take that out. So many drafts are on the books. Host how did you do the book . How did you actually put words on paper . Guest believe it or not when i got injured september, 2011, and harry had major surgery i had to back surgeries and i knew i would never be a Police Officer again because you have to be full duty even if you are the boss. If you get hurt while you have the surgery i would be liability for the city so they wont let you work again except for exceptions and i knew i wasnt one of those exceptions, so i started writing my story in the hospital then. Host did you write this all yourself or did you talk it . Guest i wrote my own story. I walked into Simon Schuster with a script like this, date books, a big second date books. I dont have that picture in the book. I really should have that picture in the book i kept a journal every year, read book after the break i will show you my phone. I kept a journal every single year as a Police Officer. I wrote down i did it right every wake. There were stories. The giuliani story, all of the stories in the book, wrote them already, so i walked into Simon Schuster with my book agent and we sat down everyone was looking like well, you wrote all that stuff in there and you wrote your own manuscript. I already wrote the book the book was written. Host lets me read something. We are jumping a bit all over the place, but i want to get to as much as we can. Let me read back to what she wrote and tell us the circumstances. By the time they pulled the guy off of me i was hot. I was seeing red dirt i was covered in cuts and scrapes. This guys a blood all over me. We cuffed him and i went to walk you not to the patrol car. At the top of the stairs he stumbled and slipped out of my hand. I didnt push him, but i didnt try to catch him either. I let him fall and he went on the stairs handcuffed headfirst, boom, boom, boom, boom. Why did you tell us a story . Guest because i wanted to be transparent. Worst thing i ever did as a Police Officer. Thats the worst thing. I could have killed a handcuffed prisoner by not securing him and that taught me right then at that moment its almost like the incident years ago when they took the nightstick and stuck inside of him. Whenever you are involved personally with a personal and it goes south when youre fighting and stuff, once its over someone else should be the calm her figure to come in and use it to decide and let them because they did have interaction with the person i learned from that day. I had a fight with someone i would have some no space the rest. I was happy they got the guy and you didnt read the best part of that is , wasnt good at the time, he was hivpositive. Had to do testing for a whole year. Host define some of these things in the book that you wrote and this goes back to your earlier life. What is how fly we were ask what is that mean . Guest we looked good. We could give a lesson on slang. How we how fly we were means how good we looked host whats good shooting . Guest i kind of hate that term, but is a police term. If the shooting looks like its justified they call it a good shooting. As i got older and went further my career i hated that because any shooting, someone you hit with a bullet is not a good shooting, but in the police world, so a cop would have a shooting with someone and investigation. The cheaper, they went to brief him and then the investigation would say its a good shooting host why did you tell us about your personal life, i mean, you talk correct me if im wrong about this, but you talk about having to women in your life early in your life to get at the same time. Tina is that her real name . Guest yes. Host and teresa any married teresa, but those children were born to each of those women about the same time and you were in attendance for both. Why you tell us about that . Guest i wanted to be transparent and real work i put my life out there and like some of the things, some friends and family members are not happy, but the only way i could come on cspan is to be real and honest with people because that is one thing people understand his honesty. When youre honest with people, then they believe in you. Host this happened twice in your life, two different women. How long we married teresa . Guest eight or nine years. Host how me children did you have by teresa . Guest just one. Host with that persons name. Guest natasha. Host and teen had one child, corey junior. Wears corry junior today guest hes still in queens. Host house he doing . Guest hes doing fine. Host you in touch with him . Guest of coarse. Host which one of those women was the most upset when they found out about the other one . Guest you can flip a coin on that. And a girlfriend and queens cheating on a one in brooklyn, so the one in brooklyn that she was my per girlfriend, so when they both found out it was pretty upset. Host as you told us earlier you have a tattoo with brenda. Didnt have another affair at the same time and have another woman pregnant at the same time brenda was pregnant . Guest no. Absolutely not. Host i misread that one . Guest yes. She would probably kill me. Host brenda l had to children before . Guest yes. Host and then you two had come a children . Guest to children. They a family. Host where did you meet her and how he other people and your family are cops . Guest i met her in the third grade. She was sitting to the left all the way in the corner with the big bushy hair. After my divorce from teresa, so maybe 20 years after that picture in the book. Host what do she think of this book . Guest well, she likes the book. Shes not happy with everything in the book. Host when did she read it . Guest honestly, i dont think shes finished reading it yet. Shes picking and choosing. Its very emotional because of all the things mostly with the whole New York Post thing. Its very traumatic for her, so she dont really want to involve herself in that, but she definitely read like the early parts of the book. Host so, you are friends with ll cool j and run dmc . Guest on friends with ll cool j and i was friends with jam. We all grew up in the same neighborhood. We all grew up in the same neighborhood. The ironic thing, crack and wrap all i came up together. It came up, you know. The rappers back then were making big money p the drug dealers were driving the fancy cars. The pendulum swings today. On the crack dealers want to be rappers. Ll cool j, actually had three or 42nd cameos one of his problems. Host you are a cop then . Guest yes. Host was a independent of being on the police . Guest yes. Host you are there and he put you in the middle. Do we have that clip . Guest i havent heard that clip since that day. Host you had to listen very carefully on this because do you remember what your lines were . Guest i thought you fell off, kid. Host this is from ll cool js rap song god bless. You had to listen carefully because it comes near the end. Lets run this so you can explain all this to us. Host i thought you fell off. Guest i thought you fell off, kid. Hes bragging about what he got and i commend saying it basically i thought people said you fell off, kid. Host explain the world of rap and hiphop. With the difference between the two . Guest its all the same. Rap is hiphop. As we walk, talk, the car you drive, its everything. Its allinone. Host what is your dd bop . Guest my walk. My dd bop is probably a ditty group now because of my back surgery. Host did nick tick people off from time to time . Guest i had this distinctive walk. I grew up in hiphop. Everyones swag. Its the confident step that you have when you walk and its just more pronounced than everyone else. Host what is the whole bling thing . You said people in their their in your book that people had so much money that they just went out and bought all of this jewelry. Guest always dressed to impress and pretty much for the young guys growing up like i grew up it was always to impress the ladies and let the other guys know you making more money than what they are making. As you see now, im not pulling out. Ive a little watch on, but we are older now and the bling is gone. Host i want to show you a clip from a movie that you talk about in your book new jack city and tell us how close this is to the real world. I think my cousin also likes the fact you are in the tradition of joe kennedy. Who . Good because you got to rob to get rich. They running a strange program, you all. I mean, disenfranchised folks. You see they pretend it dont exist. Me welcome the rich get richer. And the poor dont get a thing soon wreck in times like these people want to get high, real high, real fast and this will do it and make us rich. Me what, people going crazy over there . I mean, really it look like pieces of soap. Host how real is that . Guest theres a lot of hollywood to that, but they say that movie was, you know, largely based on the supreme team. Thats what a lot of people say. Im quite sure remember i was a street hustler, so i was not privy to the meeting said supreme had with his lieutenants, but im pretty sure it was sort of like that. Host one advantage was it being a cop that you had been a member of the supreme team . Guest it wasnt just been a member of the supreme team, my advantage of being a cop was being a young black man growing up in the inner city, so i understood like what would go on in the city, so police work came fairly easy for me. If they put me in chinatown come in Downtown Manhattan he wouldve been harder for me to navigate. Most of my precinct i worked in queens, which is a greek area. I worked in minority neighborhoods, so it was easy for me to fit in and as i was going higher to the ranks i was able to impart my knowledge on officers that worked for me to tell them, listen everyone every time someone in the streetcar you son, they are not disrespecting you because they are older. Thats how they talk. They refer to each other as a son. I would drop say tools on them, in part knowledge on them and say this is how it goes down here. Guest in the suburbs when they go to the park, in the park or the benches right there, so you keep hanging in the park after dark. They have nowhere else to go. What are we going to do . They cant pay a summons, what are we going to do, so a lot of police work is common sense and discretion. Host during the name right, may sean. You call to like his thing in my life the day the guy did not fire. Explain the story. Guest so, that was probably december 12, or does have a 13th, 1986 took my son was born on december 12. It was either that day i came home or the next day i get off an echo back on the block because im happy. My son is born and may sean walks up to me pulls out a pistol point in my head and tells me to get off the block you cant hustle down here no more. I left, obviously he had a gun. Iran and went home for two days and thought about what i was going to do because back then it was sort of street credibility or street cred. I had to get my revenge, so i decided i was going to kill myself and the gun i had, at a nice little wifi that i went went down there two days later and i was like so crazy back then that i said i want to do this in front of everyone. On a dude at prime time about 6 00 p. M. And killed him in front of everyone for hitting me with a gun. I pulled the gun out and put it in his chest and i pulled the trigger three types it dont go off. He pulls his gun out and starts shooting at me. I run and a friend of mine turn the corner and saw what was happy and pulled his gun out and started shooting and he ran into another friends house. We wanted him out of the house and we were going to do something, but my friends mother would not let him come to the house. Host what happened that the gun did not fire . Guest because we were so young and crazy and running around and shooting i did know a about guns it was a semi automatic. I never wreck the slide and bullet in the chamber, so there was no bullet in the chamber to fire the gun. Host its it to say that if that guy fired you would not be sitting here today . Guest definitely. Host did you ever shoot someone . Guest some stories in the book, cant give away everything in the book. You got to get them to read something in the book. I had some brushes with guns. Host i want to show you a clip of you in a barbershop and those folks to go to movies, theres barbershop on a barbershop two. Lets watch this. This into the dialogue between you and the barber. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] host can you fill in the blanks on what thats all about . Guest yeah, so thats my youtube web series barbershop cops. I have filming some shows going around new york city to barber shops all over talking about real issues that affects the Community Getting feedback, real feedback. Thats live stuff right there. Thats not scripted. I start a topic, what you think about this question of frisky. Its not scripted as you can see and its good stuff so america see how young black men fell about costs and lawenforcement in general, so the point i was trying to make there with that particular situation was that cops are getting paid when i say this im talking about nypd. Their deep heat over thousand dollars a year to make sure they are not discriminating against people, so like i would tell my cops every date, check your attitudes at the door. I know you just had a Domestic Violence incident with your wife, but you have to come to work. Can you do it, see up to look at everyone individually. A tree, police. Car accident, police. Someone shot, police. Anything police, so you are asking someone 19, 20 years old in most jurisdictions with six months of training never lived out of their mothers basement, give them a gun and badge is a of the world. They never had a girlfriend and they have to handle domestic dispute. Its a tough job and i criticize police a lot, but when i criticize i criticize bad police and as a small percentage. The smoke overwhelming majority, and do their job, but you dont hear about that. You hear about the riots from that era garner case. You care about the bad cops are bad policeman work once lawenforcement start every time you see one of these cases, you look at the persons background, seven complaints, use of force, five substantiated. The guy was a mess and we dont find out about until they kill someone, so what are you doing prior to do they kill someone. When they curse him out we should handle it from the jump. Host where does your last name come from . Guest it has french origins, but i trace my roots to north carolina. Host and you say in your book your dad was an alcoholic . Guest yes, my dad was alcoholic, a functional alcoholic. He would work every single day, but he drank every single day. Host what youre up your life did he die . Guest thirdgrade no, no, no my father left in the third grade. He died my second year as a Police Officer. He executed to my police its one of the happiest days i had with my father. He told me i let he led me that day. I never heard him say that, but he told me that they. Host with a different feeling for you if the guy sitting here asking you questions is black versus a white guy . Guest it doesnt matter. Seek him i dont base that things on race unless its quite obvious to me there is a racial component to it. Uncomfortable in any settings. And white friends, spanish friends, black friends. Its just when people show me racism it kind of this is me off, possess me off big time because there should be no room for that because i know what im made of. If they didnt fight for civil rights i wouldnt even be able to stand here and have this interview. So, i feel very strongly host let me ask it a different way. Do you notice a difference in the questions a white interviewer will ask you versus a black interviewer . Guest not necessarily. You talk about the combat jack show, its a hiphop show. Its a whole different environment from these type of interviews. I mean, i go on interviews and someone want to take a shot at me, they contract. Its kind of hard to take a shot of that book because you can fact check everything. Host what is the question you are asked all the time as you do this book tour . Guest how did i become a Police Officer by selling crack cocaine host what would you say you see in the book that you never missed a day of school. Guest i didnt see one that you did not use drugs. Guest i did not use of drugs, believe it or not and my little team around me i didnt smoke marijuana. That was a big thing. I even very rarely we used to drink 40 ounces of beer, colt 45 and a barely rarely did that. I was so money hungry i just wanted to make some money, be able to take care of myself. Didnt want to waste my money. Help my girlfriend. I didnt mess with none of that. I never smoked a cigarette in my life. Host still havent . Guest no. I smoke a cigar once in a while. I had one last night. Host so, what does corey pegues want to do for the rest of his life . Guest for the rest of my life i just want to go out spread my message because i believe i have a transformational story that can touch the lives of some of these kids and i want to start a nonprofit. Its best for me to open a Computer Center and have Financial Literacy classes for these kids and try to help these kids because they are hurting out there and they need someone in the main thing is that when they see me they see someone that look like and that did it. I can go to any community, college campuses. I want to get on these canvases and talk to these kids. Theres a lot of kids going through things and they think its a deadend and im here to tell them you can make it. Host is very website people can go to . Guest yes, corey pegues. Com. And they can find me on my website or hit me on twitter, instagram and im all over the internet. Google my name. Everything pops up. Host we will show you the cover of the books of people can see the spelling of your name and the title of the book is once a cop the street, the law, two worlds, one man. Corey pegues, thank you very much for joining us. In journalist Monique Morris discusses how some School Policies have a negative impact on the lives of black female students. Also this weekend