this "after words" interview with vivek ramaswamy along with all prior episodes on our website, booktv.org. just click on the "after words" tab to the top of the page. "after words" is also available as a podcast. i am stephanie trussell, the pleasure of introducing charles love. charles love is executive director of seeking excellent dashe of unser, seeking educational excellence, a nonprofit whose mission is to empower dissident students to reach their full potential. he is the host of the charles love showhe on am560 the answer, cohost of cut the bull podcast. charles is a a scholar at the6 unites contributing writer at "city journal" and the author of now three books, the latest "race crazy" comes out on tuesday. he has been on his work has been featured in the "new york post," real clear politics, "newsweek" and on the rush limbaugh show. he has appeared on fox news, newsmax and various radio programs, podcasts and local tv shows. he writes frequently on race, politics, current events and cultural issues and is passionate about solutions rather than political partisan bickering. it is my pleasure to introduce charles love. [applause] djust this because i know some say it needs to be louder and i apologize in advance because i speak a little fast. is that better? yeah, i'm a quick talker. i'll try to be slower, but i want to be able to allow you to ask questions and speak at the end. so what i want to do here today is talk about the book why i wrote it what it's about who the target audience is and let you ask some questions and talk about that in the end. but before i talk about the book, i want to talk about how i ended up here. so i like many of you were just a regular guy going about my life seeing what was happening, but not really so concerned with it. and i wrote my first book as stephanie mentioned. i wrote three books, but the first one was just more like starting off as a collection of notes. it was after obama had won and my friends were talking a lot about politics and they hadn't done that before but what they were saying and i kind of like a history book this didn't really make sense. so i wrote the book. it's called logic the truth about blacks in the republican party, but it wasn't really an endorsement of the republican party because i wasn't a republican at the time then i was and now i'm not again we'll get to that but so but i wrote it because i said if you are a liberal or you have liberal ideals and you want to vote for democrats because they align with your beliefs you should do that is with this country is about but i didn't understand why they were believing this boogeyman view of republicans like they were out lurking corners in the out to get you so i kind of wrote that to debunk some myths that they were believing and you know sharing amongst themselves about republicans, but then i just went back to my life. i didn't do anything else and then i noticed the culture was shifting in a dramatic fashion, and i said somebody no one's really talking about this the way i think it should be talked about and so i said i got a busy life and wife and kids and a job like anyone else so if i'm gonna do this i need to be saying something that other people aren't saying so i wrote my last book we want equality how the fight for equality gave way to preference and the point was we used to have legitimate fights and the best proof that things are better now is that people are manufacturing fights. right, so i i take the things that they say and then i would say but is it true and a different approach that i take too, which is really important. i like many conservatives right about what the left does that i disagree with so i'll say they say this and this is wrong and i do the same thing, but i don't do it in an attack mode, but beyond that i have a second argument where i say, let's give them their argument. so let's assume you're right. so now you can't debate me because i'm not seeing you wrong. so we both agree that always erases or the country is, you know, robin black people. whatever they're doing police are hunting down black men. so let's assume that's true. and that's just simply ask is what you're doing going to lead to a solution. it's that simple right? so even if you're right, we're still in trouble because you're not doing anything. you're not focused on a solution. you don't talk about a solution. and so that was the point of the book. so i was fortunate after writing a book meeting some people at five sixty got a radio show and i was the odd man out i was talking about cultural when everybody else on the station was talking politics, right and they're like, well, why are you talking about this? i'm i say it's important. we all hear that politics is downstream from culture, but we're only talking about the downstream right? so i just kept going about my business pushing on and you know, it was fine until 2020. so now george floyd's killed things, you know erupt and it's an election year and it's very partisan. so everybody's even doubling down on the political talk and here i am talking about the culture and when i wrote that book, i think i wrote it in 17. it came out in 18 and i was saying this culture is going to shift further to the left and it's going to be incredibly toxic and about races probably in about five or six years is what i thought and to george thing just kind of accelerated it. so i got an opportunity. i had moved to new york. and so i love to show i was on here and i was like, oh, let's see what i do next and sean thompson who you all know had the opportunity to sit in for steve cortes because he went to work for trump. so i took over his show the liberty hour now if you ever listen to his show his show is all constitution and politics, you know cigar in one hand and the constitution in the other hand, so i was like, it'd be great to do that. i was doing 13 weeks leading up to the election. the election year i said, but i like, you know, i'm building my own idea when my approach i don't want to shift. what do you want me to do? they say well do the show the way you do the show. so here i am stepping in sean's highly partisan political shoes, and i'm talking about the culture. so people were calling in and like well, why are you talking about this race thing? we already know what to do. we got the blueprint either from the civil rights act and the movement right martin luther king's words or from the bible. you know, i love the my neighbor as i love myself solves a problem, but my argument was that that makes sense in its logical but you're not dealing with logic. so if you're not talking about race and they're talking about race you lose the race conversation. it's like politics. it's like the schools. it's like everything else if if you're a republican and you wonder why blacks agree with you on certain issues, but they don't vote for you. it's because you don't go to the black community and all they hear is the democrat in that community telling them what you believe and let me tell you it ain't good. right and you're not there to defend yourself. so i just kept going along with the culture and i said this is what's going to happen the other piece because seeking educational excellence. we work on education. so i had a lot of guests on talking about how we fixed the problems in education and we talked about an issue whether it's discipline, whether it's the curriculum whether the kids the country as a whole sliding behind the rest of the world and they would all say i say get to the end. it's about solutions. so what do we do and they all say school choice and i say wrong. and it's not because i'm not an advocate of two school. i am and what i said was what you're missing and this is where i become president. i said what you're missing. is that why you're in this fight and the other side's opposing you so it's a fight you're fighting to get school choice and we had to win in illinois. you have wins another places. you're gonna win all over the country. you're gonna say yay. we won this thing and you're gonna look up and find out that because you weren't paying attention to the culture. check this out. you're gonna laugh because this was two years ago where you're gonna find is that those vouchers you get to go to these better schools. you're going to be sending these this disadvantaged kids to schools that are just as bad at the schools. they were there to clean her they're safer, but they're teaching the same toxic ideology that you're trying to get them out of and look at what we're doing today. look at what the main argument is, and now i shouldn't say because it's rude, but i told you so so now what so, you know i wrote i was writing about what was going on. george floyd was killed. i wrote an article about this. i think i called it white woteness about white who felt seek for blacks and they're saying and they were speaking in extreme matters, and it doesn't mean that they're not issues in the black community. they're not racism and races out there who you know think whatever they think or some things in the system that needs to be changed, but they were all absolute. they were like all blacks are being hunted down all blacks are are being shot in the street. all blacks are in the criminal justice system and they're wrong. even if you think there's an issue, so i wrote this article and i was upset at the time. so i just started writing and this one just went viral and they picked it up and then the major newspapers picked it up and rush limbaugh. read it on the show. and so then i said, okay. what is missing? how do i address this? so that's where race crazy came from? i wanted to talk about what i call in the book the progressive racism movement and i always say don't put adjectives in front of the thing because when you put an adjective in front of it you change it right so you can't say social justice if you want justice you just want justice. why do you need social in front of it? it's justice when you put social in front of it's different, but this is kind of a play on that. i say progressive racism when really it's just racism, but i call it progressive because in their mind they do the same thing. so the races from 1840 said i am white blacks are inferior. so we must separate them and we all say that's racist. and the guy today says well whites are inherently bad. the whiteness is being centered everywhere and we need to break that up and we need to separate that us the country from that and we need whites to admit that their guilty and own this guilt from 50 years ago. so saying that they're genetically different is the same thing that the other people were saying. no, no, but it's different because our intent is different. we're doing it from a good place. so it's not racist. so i say okay fine. it's not racist. it's progressive racism. that's what it is and i figured the two best examples i can use would be blm and the 1619 project. and blm, i wrote about first and i took the same approach. i said blm is wrong. i write in the book about how it's a false premise are there issues? yes. are we being hunted down? no are the police just indiscriminately shooting black men. no, can you prove it? yes, are there black people in jail? yes, because you complain about mass incarceration. so i say, how'd they get there? because if the police wanted to hunt down the black man, the easiest ones to shoot would be the ones who break the law yet somehow they end up in jail. why are they shot before they get there? because no one's hunting them is simply not true. now if you want to fix the problem, this is why it's important because how you go about fixing a problem is dependent upon how bad you think the problem is if we think that yeah, we have a problem. it's not, you know taking over the whole country, but it needs to be addressed we can get heads in the room and we can think about what works and we can work on it, but if you think the country is wholly racist and it's hunting down black people and killing them for no reason. of course your solution is going to be the burn the whole system down. so that's why i point out why they're flawed. but beyond that i know my target audience is really conservative to because i may say i agree with you, but i think you need to try a different approach and actually liberals and i know some conservatives don't agree with me, but i think there is a difference between liberals in the far left. and so liberals don't like republicans. they don't like most people in this room. they don't like your politics they disagree with you. they have a different view of government. however, they love free speech. and they don't like the fact that they're being called races right now if you don't believe me go look up brett weinstein and and bill maher and and look at the things that they are saying, right? they're liberals. they didn't politics didn't change. they just like, you know, i was on your side left and now you call it in today's left. i'm a racist. it's silly. so we need to talk to them we need and because the media is not on our side. we need more foot soldiers. it's not enough of us physically. there's many of them. so if they start to go out and speak it, you know, makes it easier because they can talk to an audience that we can't talk to. so to them. i say i give them the argument so all blacks are being hunted. so we agree on that. so let's not, you know debate that what we can do though is say if that's the case. how do we solve it? because the far left is saying burn it all down. right, you don't agree with that in the liberals. like of course not so why don't you join us in solving this cultural slide and this racism and then and it's radical left and then, you know we can argue about issues after the fact so that's what i do in the book. so from the 16, i mean from the blm standpoint, i explained what they really believe because that's a george floyd was killed. we had people giving all this money people feel bad corporation signed on we're gonna give new holidays, we're gonna give them all this money and many people saw that and said, this is crazy. look at how much money they get it and there's a problem. and where's this money going? i'm like we can look for that for days and i explained the book why that's gonna be hard to do kudos to rand paul if he can pull it off, but i doubt it, but and i talk about why in the book but what i say is forget about where the money's going that's a hard fight. but what we can do is we can go to the people who are giving them money and clearly explain what they believe and say if you believe this after knowing what they believe and you still want to give them money by all mean do it, but i don't think they do like i don't think they know. that for instance the police. you heard the debate between defund the police and people on the right would say that's bad. it'll be it'll lead to dangerous neighborhoods. and the people on the left said well, we don't really mean to fund. that's just a euphemism. we really just mean, you know reallocates resources and give them some support and bring in some some social workers to help them go to domestics not true in their own words. we are abolitionist. we want to abolish all prisons jails immigration detention centers. we don't want police in school. we don't want security guards. we don't want surveillance kind of hard to you know, take those words out of context. but most people don't know that because it's not on the blm website when i was doing this research for the book originally it was gonna be like debunking the blm movement finding out what they say, but i couldn't find anything. anything. i'm like, this is weird. so in doing research i found this article about a group getting a hundred million dollars over five years, but it didn't say blm the article said the headline said blm, but in the article, they didn't talk about it was this organization gives it to this philanthropist which gives it to creates the black lead movement bond, which takes that money and gives it to the movement for black lives. and so i looked up all the organizations and with you if take you take nothing else from this when you leave look up m4bl.org the movement for black lives. i found it and it was a treasure trove. it's insane. they have acts that they have written that they're ready to give congress once they move far enough to the left. they have a preamble like a constitution. it's all about, you know, all the things that they believe all the demands that they have and it's anti-capitalist. it's a reparations for migrants. it's lgbtq gender focuses. i think they use a word that they made up. i'm good at it now, but i couldn't read it at first called sis heteropatriarchy. multiple times in a book we stand behind we push to the front of our movement gay trans lesbian queer queer affirming gender non-confirming, uh precariously housed cash poor all the stuff, but it's not about whether you agree with it or not. you just have to ask is that police brutality? because i thought that's what your movement was about. right, it's simple. so you say that to a liberal you have them read that you know, they might be like oh, so the goal is really baby steps. stop read this stop giving them money. we work on the rest later. and then the other >> you know the crt movement and the only thing i say in the book about crt is why i didn't write about crt. mostly because the conversation around that was starting when i wrote the book but it doesn't matter. i'm not against that fight but it's a larval back. it's not that i see that argument, is that there's different ways to attack a problem but the issue is if you watched the news what you hear? you hear crt is terrible for a job, we're not teaching crt. yes you are. you don't even know what crt is and you just need to know black history and you go nowhere. you can't do that with the 1619 project. three approaches wife the 1619 project is more important than crt. no one's going to tell you they're not teaching it in schools . the product was written and by the fall it was in 4500 schools, dc, baltimore and all of chicago chhave adopted it. it'sceeverywhere, you know it's in the schools . that argument falls away. in my mind technically i'm kind of a literal guy. it's worse than crt because crt says race is important and endemic to the country so we can ignore it so we have to bring it into the school to talk about it fairly and wlet the kids understand what it's about the conversation is centered around whiteness so we need to have this focus and amplify the voices of blacks. disagree, agree, doesn't matter. i disagree because they say stuff like we want to teach culturally relevant priority so we need to add culture into every class. you want blacks to do better than math? teach it the way they slearn. i'm not saying it's that bad. so that in and contracted to the 1619 project. essentially the 1619 project was founded to reimagine the founding of america. framing it around when the first black advocates were brought in as slaves and what they say is slavery and anti-black racism is endemic to america and to america but for it, america could not have been founded and it isin the dna of america . i thought dna, your dna could not be changed. that's your dna so it'lends to my logical argument that if it's in the dna of america and i'm giving the argument, not saying i agree, why don't we try to change it? why are we even fighting? what good will it do to tear down the system because it's in the dna. it's still there. when you rebuild the system guess what's going tobe in it ? it's still thereif it's in the dna and it makes no sense . everybody write an essay on all different topics trying to explain their problem and the process of the countryand why it's a problem and they're all framed around slavery , not racism and what it says is every problem we face in america today can be directly linked to slavery. if black wealth is lower, slavery. education is bad,slavery . if more blacks are in jail, slavery. so i think that is worse than what crt is pushing and it's in the schools and nobody's saying it's not . what do we do? in the book i write a chapter on every essay in the 1619 project and i say this is what they say. i forgot to tell you the third reason. it's because it's mostly true. i have to be honest. it's well-written. i throw a number out there, 90 percent true so you can instantly dispute it and say it's not true so they paint wonderful pictures of slavery, they use individual stories and people love and learn from stories so tell a story about a black man who through all races and found a way to make money and the racist whites in his neighborhood told him because he was making too much money that's going to be true. the problem is they master the lie of omission and they leave a lot so if you're taking this in school and you go to 11th graders who don't know much and you should extend this kand there g see if this is right they look that up and see that's true but they don't know what you left out outhink this is america. is going to make for angry disgruntled citizens who love to hate the countrybut they don't say . they talk about the founding and they say the founders owned slaves. is that true? and now nicole and a jones has a book coming out, my book comes out tuesday and her book comes out the following tuesday and i saw a ayprintout of an interview and she saysshe corrected some of the inaccuracies . she admits, you can't say i'm wrong, she said it that she should have beenbetter with her work and said sometimes not all. some right not all . but when she talks about the founders and what i write in the book is the founders owned slaves but she never says some, is she saying it. never said some of themnot only didn't own slaves but were abolitionists . she, they talk about reconstruction. but they mentioned rutherford b hayes, the one term president in 1876 election and never mentioned grant the senior general who won the war, two-term president who wrote the anti-kkk active 1871. don't mention that. because they can't be any positives in the project. other issue, there are no positives in the 1619 project . not one thing. nothing positive about whites and the heonly white positive is the blacks made money and they killed them. blacksmade money and they hung us from trees . no one talks about a couple of stories of blacks who had some struggles and their families but they don't mention booker t. washington or benjamin banneker or anyof those people . can you at least give me something good about blacks ? and lastly white crt like blm there are no solutions. nobody says all this isbad so this is what we should do . you have working essays from harvard law grads and attorneys argue cases at the supreme court. ethe editor of the new york times magazine, all these ff people writing these wonderful essays and nobody offered a solution, not one. nobody talked about how many blacks are in elected office and what they can do to help this supposed racist system. nothing and we think we should be teaching this to kids. it's terrible. this is a problem with the progressive racism movement and what i stried to approach in the book. is to simply say that things aren't as bad as your painting them and if they are, you're not doing anything to make thembetter . so i think it's a great tool. to give to your liberal friends because i'm sure those of you haven't just throw your hands up and moved away you get in these needed debates. don't debate, in fact if there really you think they're on the cost and they won't listen to that will read this but i'll highlight it for you. don't even read charles's words. read profiles to what they say, my explanation of why they shouldn't believe what they say . just read their quotes. to be fair as much as we talk about the media and they are biased there's another piece on tv especially you only get a finite amount of time. people are going to be like whoa but to be fair i think everybody's treated unfairly in the media. more so on the right but even nancy pelosi because what happens if nancy says something shall speak for 30 minutes in the plan 11 second clip. ted cruz will say something and don't find a clip. what i want to do is make sure i give you enough to make sure i'm not taken out of context. you might get to paragraphs. you might get what they said, the research they use and a quote. they write essays about the things. let me tell you some of the things linked to slavery. sugar. ever been caught in a traffic jam western mark that's segregation and race .and slavery. no really, i'm not making that up. how many of you have read the project ? that's the thing. so it's in the kids schools. their rtargument arguing crt on the tv. this is in the schools and nobody's ready. i'm not making this up. if you don't have time to go and find and get behind new york times pay walls get the book. turn to the chapter on whatever essay. isay who the person is and give their bona fides . how safe they are right about this but they did mention ex-wife, capitalism is racist. they'll say american capitalism is brutal and racist. the slavers are capitalist now? i thought slavery was a capitalist system. so other capitalism is good but american capitalism is that you here's a funny thing. these people claim they run the country. if you see them in interviews or you look them up they say i love the country. there's no way you can love the country and write the things the way you write. i would hate that country. what doyou mean you love that country, that country is horrible . it makes no sense . so they talk about people will say blm is this market assist group. i think they're just too high and the average person is not going to listen to that but to leave you before i open with questions with some hope . the best thing we have going for us is people are starting to wake up. they need to read more of what they're saying the last half control of the media, not even the liberals. the liberals have lost the mediato the left . but it's kind of added good but the problem is and i talked to my friends and i get it. i don't know how you're so active, we all get caught in what we're working on whether it's abortion or education or criminal justice. we focus on that thing and we don't hear the noise and see what's going on. so it's important for you to understand is this. country is 330 million people . mdon't look it up. find out how many people, what'sthe most popular show on fox news, i'm assuming it's doctor . what's the most popular show on msnbc. look how many viewers they have. find your most famous new york times writer on the left or right or whomever. you're what's the guys name, the economist. friedman and see how many circulation of the new york times. my point is we're so focused on this we see how bad it is and where concerned but sometimes you get to take a step back. 330 million people, my guest and i think i'm conservative. 200 million people don't know what's going on. don't know what crt is. i used to say they're keeping up with thekardashians. they're just watching the real housewives . and those across socioeconomic levels, race, i talk about republicans on my show but he doesn't care. my brother is a blue-collar worker, he's got four kids. i challenge some of the stuff he says, what are you talking about? go to work, get something to eat, and who have you ever heard this? number how do we reachthem? they're not in churchanymore and church is woke so we can do that . they're not watching the media . i think it's an important ,knkemessage but i get on tucke and people said 2 million people saw this, oithat's nothing. i'm trying to reach 300 million people. but the real key is you. you all have cousins and coworkers and you get in uber and you go get coffee. so i always tell people whenever i talk to people, talk to everyone but that's why i use my guy. when it comes to conservatives, i don't think i mentioned a crack at all, i don't mention republicans, i mentioned trump once in an ancillary way but that's not the goal. use that method, do whatever you do with thechurch but when you're talking to liberals or random people , just be like colombo. if there like one more question. let me ask you a question here. you're saying whites are racist, you mean all of us? and you, so you're a racist. if that's the case how do you get to speak about racism if you are racist. i'm just trying to understand. not saying you're wrong. so you take that, what i do is i remember there's a few people in the shop, they got the news on in chicago. i don't know what the topic was. so trump comes on and it was about whatever the hot topic was. a guy says crazy and i'm like yeah, what do you think? is he saying trump is crazy or is he saying the topic of people attacking trump is crazy. let's find out so he gsays something. let's say he says something whatever and i said trump is doing this . that's true . but you do agree, yes. trump hates black people, yes he does but what do you think about that races in the school, you think that's okay or what do you think about whites being the yreason why people rob people.there was a shoot out in five people got shot, you thinktrump had something to do with that and it's hard so i created this tiny brand i'm trying to grow. i don't talk about politics so i get on a lot of media they talk about whatever my topic is . i'll go on anybody who invites leon and josc come on but we can't just talk about yourbook, it's timely news . i went on shannon williams and it was like we want to talkabout the virginia election .i said i love you shannon, i want to do it but it was me and my panel. i'm not going to be your republican strategists . how come on. i just go, i say what i believe and the way i believe it and not that i don't have an opinion i don't think it's i need to get into all that because it's a cultural problem, not a political problem . i was on eric bowling and it was after the police officer was shot andkilled and we were talking about that . i was on and he goes to me and he turns to me and says charles, this progressive mayor, she's doing a terrible job, what do you think? i pivoted because i'm so good and i say there's a lotof problems going on but let's be fair to laurie , they were shooting the mayor before. this is a cultural problem so we wanted stop the shooting we can'tfocus on laurie . that's why not why i was there. that's how you talk to your liberals because all your friends and family who don't want you to talk to you because it's trump, trump, why are you talking to them about that argument is over. nobody won that argument. move on to the other stuff. you talk about the issues, we don't talk about issues anymore. ask your friends and family . don't say crt. just say do you think that because i go to parents send me stuff for my organization likewhistleblowers . do you think that a 12-year-old should be asked his sexual preference? and they're like number okay. do you think an eight-year-old should have a form they canlifill out . then there's a box he can ar check to say your parentsknow that if you check know they don't tell his parents .all hundred percent of my liberal friends say that's crazy or i'll say this is the last thing i'm going to say. to the blackcommunity , i talked to many that their black and their leftists and they don't get it but most black people are on your side but they're just like well i disagree with it but from the race thing of course it's silly. we had to do the worst of it, they're being called racism, it's no big deal but then i picked up a sign and the like. but the gender thing they will fight for. and from the race standpoint the one thing they will side with you on is when i tell themusing all whites are racist .why don't you say anything? >> let's talk about that culturally relevant.pedagogy. do you agree with the fact that they say blacks can only learn math the way they learn math i told him about the music thing and they were saying that get rid of shakespeare, allthis kind of stuff. no lock, no classical music and they want to take that way because blacks can't learn culture unless they can relate to it . so let's use jd and they said that's crazy. not only is it crazy and it's not going to help their vocabulary, it's also racist because you all don't get to learn if your wife, you get to read shakespeare i just don't get to read it . so you're putting us at a deficit . you get to learn stuff i don't get to learn, how is that the quality? they don't want equality, they want equity. and what does equity mean versus the quality? if you approach it that way i think you will get more people on your side. your army will get bigger and we can fight about the issues later. that's all i have and if you have any questions let meknow . >> i won't answer that question, any other questions . okay. someone in the front. here's a mic so they can hear yourquestion . unless you wantto talk . you've just got to step right there. oh[laughter] there you go. you can all just get in line. kind sir, question asking server . hello. >> hello. >> wasn't there at 1620 project that tried to come up and refute some of the 6019? >> there's a lot of things. 1776, when lori and will riley and john porter and all them. we do that there was an a.s. had a whole thing about it. i've got a friend who's writing a book next year about it. but i'm trying to bring it back up again, nobody's talking about that because they're arguing crt. it will be interesting to see what nicole and a jones says in this book where she fixes things. do they fix the racism? because if they don't the rest doesn't matter. >> i wanted to tell you i do agree with you. there's a big difference between the left and liberals . and i think we actually as in the united states congress against a white supremacist so you know i am. anyway my point is that i think we need to actually unite. unite actually liberals and pro-life liberals especially. we need to getout there and get the undecided, give the independence . get the and also the libertarians. i think we need to go out and unite and i think that's impossible. the left is america's deadliest virus because the left spread lies . >> thank you and but i've got a question. you ran againsta white supremacist . i'm assuming junior high school or elementary school. because they are white supremacist actually. >> anyway, number arthur jones is his name. you know what i'm talking about. i youvery much for what you're doing . [applause] >> how are you doing. good to see you. i want to ask you, you took a pass on that question about laurie lightfoot and the crime in urban communities. you don't believe our policies contribute to the violence that's happening in our community and with those policies in place like the police not being able to do a foot chase or stop people for minor infractions that may lead to a bigger infraction. they had to pull him over for an expired plates, they can't do that anymore. so tyou don't believe those policies contribute to the violence and if you don't, how do we help these urban communities . >> i'm not saying that i don't believe that any of the issues. i'm sure there are issues that she has i agreement and some that i don't that's the case but a lot of that is more fox of course but beyond that i'm speaking to a national ngaudience thinking about everywhere. every state andevery city doesn't have the same policies . some of them are pushing like in new york i wrote an article about the problem with eliminating qualified immunity in the american mind so i wrote about it openly i don't think attacking people , i don't have to say lori is bad, i can say letting people out of jail is back. but when lori is gone and somebody else's mayor, is anything going to be different? we said the samething about rob . ron was bad. and now people are sayingthis one source because change is not always a solution . >> this is object failure and she's putting in policy that we follow the police have to follow and they can't serve and protect if they can't stop criminals . >> but that's a separate thing, you're arguing what is part of the problem doesn't make it easier for criminals to get back on the streets. i have a personal story about that from chicago for sure. but beyond that i'm saying if you want to stop the problem you can't solve lvit at the policing level. you still need to lock up all the criminals, 100 percent but you need to figure out why it's happening and that's not laurie lightfoot . why the culture has gotten default to a place in the black community where we don't condone it but we don't speak out against it . we talk about this is getting stitches or i don't trust the police or i don't support them or say things like it's not really their fault. it's far worse than any policy because we're allowing it to happen. >> but she plays footsie with black lives matter. >> the way, i'm not spending therest of my time talking about laurie lightfoot . [applause] >> good morning.>> he's going to help youout . >> okay, i'm not a parent. >> but you know people with kids, you can talk to them. >> i know i missed out on a lot of good stuff. i want to know what are they teaching because they were tearing down or defacing a statue of abraham lincoln because he was a slave owner and they're not teaching cursive, that's fine but i heard and i don't know if this is true. maybe some of the parents can reach out but they're not teaching civics or government . when i was integrated, i'm 70 years old. when i was integrated i couldn't graduate unless i had civics. when i was in high school i took government in summer school because then i would have to chances to pass because i wanted to graduate . and then what they are making available to some people now is not required reading but there are books in the library that are pornography. and the last thing i want to say is i am not criticizing people that are transgender. i don't understand it and you know, i don't think some of them understand it either but there's a guy on pothe radio one day that is a proponent of transgender and let's make sure these people have their rights. after all i've got a transgender three-year-old. and i'm like oh my gosh. >> that's important. it's going to take about a minute and have to do that. >> i like that you brought that up because i didn't get a chance to mention that. one i'm not 70 and i had to learn civics before i grew up . they are still teaching government but the civics piece, i partnered with the foundation and redoing the civics initiative, next week i'll be in dc where we're bringing in kids to o give them like a contest so the best ones get flownout to dc . roi did incentivize people because we've got to do it outside the schools. we have to fix the schools till so they bring it back but we need to get in, you're right about that . what was this one, you wrote it down? >> what are they teaching? >> like cursive and all that stuff. the problem with what they're teaching is that like we spoke about earlier. they're teaching english, all the same things but their confusing culture and everything. we have to teach science in a certain way and teach all the stuff but we don't people are learning at grade levelanyway so we're not focused on bringing them to grade helevel which is the problem . a but the gender queer thing, that's funny. you mentioned abraham lincoln, i'll get to that. remember a year and a half g ago about a year ago they started removing books . they're like we can't teach huck finn because of words that were in there that are divisive. we can't teach to kill a mockingbird. but they're replacing them withthis . we can't say certain anwords but we can have these isms. they get around that but they'll say that's not in the curriculum, show me a curriculum that says they can read this stuff. there's not what you put it in a class and the book is open and it's on the third page and you're promoting it. loan any book you want. get gender queer for free. it's kind of like they're pushing it is not in the curriculum. i don't have that will curriculum the argument about whether they're teaching it but we know it's there . what they're teaching is asking kids you've all heard the gabby clark story of the woman in hnevada whose son she's suing the federal government because her son was told whether he was the oppressor or theeoppressed . she's talking about race and again, they asked my son to do this. he has to identify either as an oppressor or the oppressed . and then they asked him what his sexual preference he was in stock. you're burying the lead. this is national news about the story on race nobody's asking about the fact that they asked her 17-year-old who he likes what are we even asking. it makes no sense. and to the trans-thing this is in my show. you go find a podcast. i you are transforming about the movement and one of the things i asked was whatever you want, why are we moving heaven and earth changing legislation for less than one percent of the population. can't we protect their rights without forcing this on everybody. without having all these fact checking things, without creating new laws and putting it in the schools ? even gino would say whatever you're doing i think you should be telling kids at three, four, five or six years old that their trends. we call them babies now instead of babies and pick their gender. think about it, you think liberalsagree with that ? number this is another reason you need to talk to them. >> you said something about not taking things out of contextor make sure you listen to everything a person says .ay i'm sorry but the david the day that nancy pelosi held a obamacare and said wepassed it . now we can read it. that's the end of it, idon't want to hear anything from that woman. i didn't have to hear the rest of her speech . >> hi charles. first of all i want to say it was a greatpresentation . one of the things that really struck me about was when you said lacks can't learn shakespeare and they can't learn classical music. >> that's right. >> i wanted to tell you about a corporation that i know of where they're instituting racial equity programs and one of the officers said we need to get our black employees a box to stand on so that they can see over the fence like the rest of us. >> have you all see that picture? you know i saidfirst time i saw that picture . the first thing i said when i saw if somebody says what you think of this. i want toknow why they're still in the baseball game . they should go get a ticket . but really, reality is them leaving out some of the people so the three people, one on the ground two on the box butthere's 10,000 people in the stadium, are the people to they're less focused on these three . i'm sorry. >> only question is don't blacks find that insulting? >> they should be in other people. >> but i have friends that say i openly like i don't like democrats but i don't want to get in by a racist so i go with them. and to be there only ever think about are the republicans but i agree with them. i'm elected, grew up in a majority white town . parents don't say anything about race . and i said on the tv all i see are not today, let's think about when i was young. you've got all the blacks on tv or playing drawbacks and fences all this stuff. you watch the news they are wanting blacks into prison and then you watch movies and there's racism. why would you think that would be the conditional blacks? if the reverse is true, i don't know many white people and i grew up in a black neighborhood and every white is telling me how bad the republicans are and you say no i'm not, let me show you what i'm doing. you've got to do the work unfortunately. >> thank you. >> thank you. [applause] >> hello charles. i'm the republican precinct committee man and i'm sorry you've left the republican party . i'm a republican precinct 81 in a while township. it's got a lot of really pretty houses. and in front of some of these houses, there are black lives matter signs. and the reason i'm asking this, how do i reach those people? >> you don't. they given you assigned not to talk to me. i'm notasking you to talk to leftists , they're crazy. you should knock on the door ck and say thank you, now i know not to waste my time with you . i'm not telling you to talk to the left, i'm telling you to talk to liberals and people who are politically agnostic. one more question because i don't want to go over. i'm here. signing all the books you've got to buy. >> so the question or maybe the issue i think maybe you should address and i don't know that it's addressed s enough . it seems like the attack is on the white culture. this white evil culture. i know when i was a kid there would be some millionaire and my mom would say you got to be a millionaire to you lazy bum if you getoff your behind . to me it's like a lot of second. so that guys successful, don't i want to do what he's doing? don't i want to have a family and get married and get a job and built cultural wealth. my folks came over. my ancestors came over smelling diesel oil from the hold of a ship or whatever. they came with nothing. they don't pass a little more onto their family. to me, that should be the issue that stressed. thoseguys are successful . keepdoing . >> when i was little me and my friends would see a guy and go i wonder what he does. i want to be successful and now people say who did he feel that from. capitalism and all that kind of stuff but it's bigger. it's not just should we learn from the rich guys . i say whatever your assuming given that arguments all lights are racist if we're going to fix the problem and there are over 60 percent of the population, it's the problem with the deep on the police people. we're going to fix the leasing but no one was actually police gets to talk. but they don't want to say when you come up with a crazy idea, if we've never done it we think about what about trying this and it might be the dumbest thing but we have never done it. we've never atdone that but let me tell you why. we have cops throwing marshmallows at people, stop that. stop the and try to hit them withmarshmallows because we didn't know marshmallows wouldn't stop crying . >> i just have to comment. my name is dawn. 60 years coming to the freedom summit and these are our two styoungest in the front. we went to homeschool because we didn't like what was being taught in school but we sent some of our kids to public school . and it's really important but we would just have dinner time at least three or four times a week. we would talk about what we believe politically and religiously . our kids have told us and their teachers are saying i'm so glad your kids are here in school because they're the only one of 30 students that speak up for the other side. so i'm just here and want to make a comment about how important it is to talk to your kids so that they can defend what they believe so they're not put down by your pressure. >> that's the best thing to leave on. don't leave kids in school and think as a parent they're going to doeverything. you have to teach them . thank you. [applause] >> on about books our program of our report on the latest publishing news. we spoke with richard rubino about his latest bookthe american political tribute . >> how did this project get started. >> it got started when i was about nine years old and i started watching c-span. i'm a general political junkie, i don't know where it formulated. for some people i have this gravitational pull and had an interest specifically in the minutia, the facts and it was interesting. it became a political junkie, the first book i wrote was about little-known facts in american politics and i did a book on quotations in american politics. then i did one that was all-encompassing. i was looking for kind of a political tribute but all could find were presidential trivia books and many were just question answer question answer and i came up with the idea i have all this information inside my head and i want to put it together in trivia game whereyou can learn something . i make 21,705 words questions later, i put them altogether and an album it's anything i can think of and i use it's interesting to go back and think about all this things that you think you know and go back to one primary source and say this happened as well and pretty soon you get seven morequestions on . >> is this a full-time job for you writing political books? >> right now and i also do analysis and some speaking as well. >> you mentioned watching c-span at nine years old. however old you are now are you still watching c-span. >> in 43 years old and it's interesting. one table came to my musicality, i started watching and it's just this gravitational pull you have. you want to get as much information as possible and it is educated action but it's also entertaining and i enjoyed. >> how did you find out rutherford b hayes is a national hero in paraguay ? >> if you go to paraguay he's very much household word. i don't know where i find out but there's very little information about him in the united states. you go to his birthplace in delaware ohio there's a gas station, his house has been torn down but in terms of paraguay, when he was president part of this was the secretary of state. the had no records to show that but there was agreement between argentina and paraguay and paraguay about 50 percent of the land today and hayes is credited with that so go down there and there's actually a national holiday for him. there's a postage stamp for him. there's actually a scholarship to ohio university where rutherford b hayes was born and there was a reality tv show where the winner got to go to fremont ohio to visit the presidential library and museum but the contrast is fascinating and another fact that interesting is rutherford bhayes was the only president ever born in delaware ohio . >> when you put this book together first of all is itself published ? >> yes it is. >> and what that process like ? >> that are pros and cons. the program is you have all the discussion in terms of theorder you want to put it, the con is you have to do a lot of the promotion yourself . i heard use publicist for last books and this one i'm using context i made but you pretty much writing and then you do all the editorial discretion. do the editing yourself and it's pretty much ready to use a company called gray space which is a subsidiary of amazon you get endorsements for the back. it's basically you write about yourself, publish yourself and if you don't have a publicist you promote yourself as well. >> one more piece of self-serving news. you dedicated it to c-span. >> that's unexpected and i don't know if anybody else who's done that but i was thinking should i dedicated to an individual and i thought where to my interest in politics, political minutia come from and i thought to myself coming home from school particularly starting on snow day and coming in and watching c-span and iremember for example all the times i watching special order . some of the interesting speakers that iwould watch in the house . i remember watching some members some more than others. i remember watching dean taylor come on talking about the budget deficit and he had a very charismatic way of speaking and i would interest listen to and speaking. they have other blue dogs on talking about this stuff. then i was thinking about how much time i spent going through thearchives . kind of as a hobby and it's just fascinating how much you find out. that stuff is just lost to history. you go back for example. i remember i was watching a speech michael dukakis made when bob dole and george hw bush were running for the nomination and this is some of the great minds you hear. he started to see and he said bob dole said george wisn't much of a leader. george hw bush says bob dole isn't much of a leader . neither of them as much of a leader. that's just kind of a great line and i think you can only find that through c-span so i wouldn't have this book had it not been for c-span so i thought it was appropriate dedicated to c-span. >> something i've never said out loud is my favorite part of watching c-span is the senate vote. you get us through all the interactions on the senate floor . i spend hours watching that. during the great american political trivia challenge you have a whole section on political insults. why did you include that? >> because i find them fascinating. politicians are good in terms of being able to sometimes to be very creative in terms of the way they insult people. i find that fascinating but there's overlap between that and presidential campaigns. i remember watching the house one time and marion barry, a muslim from arkansas had a southern accent deep as molasses and he's talking about adam putnam a congressman from florida and he said had mischaracterized his view on the budget so he says this howdy doody looking nimrod. he didn't go after his name but he went after him because of compared him to howdy doody and i thought that is extremely creative and i go back to someone like jean taylor in mississippi, one who i feel like was overrated with his rhetorical flourishes. americans for tax reform said he had supported the affordable care act and he comes back and he gets a statement and he says he calls them line saxes, and i thought you politicians of this. it's interesting with insults and i think they can be very on the underhanded. jesse jackson was running in 1984. he didn't specifically go after walter mondale from minnesota was the front runner . he was talking about hubert humphrey , ran for president in 1960, 68 and briefly in 52 as well and 1972 and he said humphrey was the greatest, only real progressive leader who came out of minnesota. you put two and two together and you figure is trying to go after walter mondale and he thought that was kind of a great line so i think the insults are something no matter what side you're on its kind you appreciate the way politicians are able to insult someone. sometimes it can be an impish first rate sophomore insult but other times it can be something that's creative and use a . >> rich rubino is the author of this book the great americanpolitical trivia challenge . available online. iq for spending a few minutes with us . >> was great to be on the station i dedicated the book to. >> listen to full episodes of about books
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