Should your state take in and you companied minors . Democrats, 202 5853880, republicans 202 5853881, and independents, all others, 202 5853882. Join us on social media, or facebook. Com cspan. You can send us an email. Well get to your thoughts in a minute. Joining us on the phone is manwel. This story in the newspaper this morning, flood of migrants leaves officials in a bind. What is the federal government asking of states . Well, theyre looking for locations to place shelters where unaccompanied minors would be transported and held for a period of time while they are looking for their family members and putting them into the process in which they would either be be deported or allowed to stay in the country. Who is doing the asking from the federal government, and why . So theres a real alphabet soup of agencies that are involved in when a migrant is apprehended theyre caught by the Border Patrol. Theyre handed over to the immigration and customs enforcement. But then when minors are involved, theyre required to be turned over to health and Human Services, which has specific office for refugees that is required to take care of those kids. Host why cant the states along the borders shelter these children . Dont these agencies have facilities along the border for this type of situation . They say they dont. They have facilities that are designed for very shortterm holding of people who have been detained, and they the government says that they dont have enough bed space for this big surge of unaccompanied children that has been taking place over the last few months. And that has created a very complicated, logistical challenge for the government because if you cannot house the kids in texas where theyre being apprehended, you have to put them on the buses and planes and take them to other parts of the country. Host and what type of facilities are states do states have . Where are they looking to put these minors in states across the country . And for how long . Well, this is interesting, because you really dont have to look at the border right now as a line that separates mexico from a few states like texas and arizona. Really the border right now is the entire country, and that is where the federal government is looking to house these kids, all over the country. They have spoken to the governor in vermont, for instance, asking for a facility to hold 1,000 people. Its pointed out in our story the deputy chief of staff for the governor of vermont, we dont have any place like that for you. They reached out to massachusetts. States throughout the country are being asked to find locations for these kids and the challenges that in a lot of places has a tremendous amount of resistance to that taking place. Host how long would the children be staying in these states and would they be going to school . Would they be using other resources for state residents . We think they are not set up as schools, and the length of stay would vary depending on how long it takes to either reunite them with families or get them into the legal system. Mostly these children when they get across the border are immediately given a notice to appear in court, at which point they would have to make their case for staying and that process can take a long time. These facilities are not designed to hold kids for very long periods of time. The numbers vary depending on flow, but this is designed to be shortterm stays of weeks, not months or years. Host so who will be footing the bill for this . Primarily the federal government that is responsible for housing the kids and feeding them and transporting them, but when you talk to local officials they worry that theyre going to end up absorbing costs, too. And theres certainly a bit of fear and if you wanted to use a word loathing in certain parts of the country about these kids. A good example is a place in new mexico called artesia where they have a facility that has been used to train federal Law Enforcement officials. Word spread that they were going to be bringing migrants to that facility, and the people in the town were very upset and worried about a whole laundry list of things. And among those things that they were worried about were an increase in crime, disease, they were concerned that the migrants were going to be bringing diseases into the community that didnt exist there. And then they were also worried about a population surge. In other words, they were concerned that the migrants were going to be placed inside that facility and then released into their community. They were assured by the government that that was not going to take place, and as it turned out that facility ended up not holding and you companied minors but mothers with their children. And thats kind of another aspect of this whole crisis. Everyone has been talking about the unaccompanied minors and for good reasons. Its such an unusual surge of kids. But at the same time, there are lots of kids who are canning over with their mothers. And the challenges of holding them are not dissimilar to the challenges of dealing with the unaccompanied minors. Host what is what age of child are we talking about . How old are they . Oh, goodness, ive speaken to people who have been into the facilities and seen children as young as eight months with their mothers. Pregnant women have pregnant minors have come in and had babies, so 14 and 15 and 16 and 17yearold girls have come in and had babies while in that care. It runs the gamut from six and 7yearolds up to people who are maybe 16, 17, and a question of whether they actually are minors or not. Host okay. A lot of these kids dont have paperwork. So in some instances it can be hard to determine who belongs with whom, for instance. Advocates its a complicated situation, a woman who has a different last name from the child who she is showing up with has been separated from that child, because there is a very acute fear of Human Trafficking on the border, and thats a very serious problem. And so the authorities are careful about making sure that if theres a young person coming in, that they actually are coming in with a relative and not someone who is trying to exploit them. Its not a simple situation to deal with. Host manwell roigfranzia, you said there are women that are coming across that are pregnant and theyre having their babies here. What perjuries that . And if the kids are born here are they sent back or are they u. S. Citizens . We dont have numbers on that particular phenomenon. In general, in a child who is born in the United States they are a u. S. Citizen. When i was a Mexico Bureau chief for the post, who it wasnt uncommon for us to talk to people who drove to the United States or take a train to the United States to have their baby so that child would be assured american citizenship, one of the most famous instances of that is bill richardson, the former governor of new mexico, and one time considered to be a president ial candidate. Even though he had a parent who was an american citizen, they still went up to the units states, his mother is mexican, and had the baby in the United States to assure that there will be no doubt he was an american citizen. Whether that rule applies when the child is born when the mother is in custody, its not a question that i have a definitive answer for. Host manuel roigfranzia is the stand writer for the Washington Post. What are you watching for next on this story . Well, were going to have to see which of these states agree to put large facilities in their states. There are small sheltered scattered all around the country that are run by not for profits who do take children, and thats much less controversial because the numbers are much smaller. But it will be interesting to see whether any of these states say okay, well do that. Host manuel roigfranzia, we appreciate your time. Let me turn to all of you to get your thoughts. Should your state take in these unaccompanied minors . Scotty in boca a ton, florida, youre up first. Go ahead. Caller i dont think anybody wants nobody to come here in more. Weve been totally overwhelmed. Any american that is for this, you show me one. Theres not none of them. They would be ashamed to show their face. Nobody wants this no more. Weve had enough. Thats the bottom host there is lots of religious well, well move on to betty in iowa city, republican caller. Go ahead. Caller i would like clarification. I think its very possible lawsuits could be file against the people that are holding these children, i dont know, inside the United States because they could as well be sent back to the embassies and held there and processed there. Im sure the that arrangements could be made with the host like honduras dower as, el salvador, to enlarge the capacities of the embassies, because why they cant be processed there, i mean the judges could take vacations in honduras, el salvador, just, as well as any place else. And they could process people. Theres no i just dont understand why it has to be done here inside of the states, whether its thousands or tens, it doesnt make sense. So the law is either being abused or it was unbelievably irrationally written. I host youre talking about that 2008 law . Caller well, that was the third extension, wasnt it, of the law that was passed by clinton in the last one of the last couple months before he left office . It was a trafficking law. Host right. Caller thats what theyre they extended it four times. The last time joe biden ushered it through in 2013. Thats when he added abused women to it. But yes, the fact that these children were added in 2008, that law was started under clinton. Host just rereminder 2008 seems to be the point of contention between republicans in the house and democrats, was republicans want to make it revise this law, make it easier, faster to send these children back to Central America. Democrats at first appeared to be willing, according to republicans, to alter the law, and now they say no. Take a look at the 2008 trafficking victims protection act. Protect children from entering nonborderring countries, require children be given opportunity to appear at an immigration hearing and to consult with an advocate and counsel and requires children to be turned over to health and Human Services agencies. So once they are apprehended, they are turned over then to hhs. Look at the New York Times this morning, michael paulson, u. S. Religious leaders embrace the cause of children streaming across the border. Bus loads of immigrant mothers and childrens, Roman Catholic archbishop of new york, drafted a blog post detailing his shame at the episode, writing it was unamerican. It was unbiblical. It was unhumane. When the governor of iowa said he didnt want the migrants in his state declaring we cant accept every child in the world who has problems, clergy members in today main held a prayer vigil to demonstrate their desire to make room for the refugees. Were talking about whether were going to stand at the border and tell children who are fleeinflee fleeing a burning bug to go back. He said leaders of more than 100 faith organizations met last week to discuss how to help. He said that his own congregation, some were comparing the flow of immigrant children to the dinner transport, a rescue mission in the late 1930s that sent children to britain for safe keeping. How do we want to be remember, as yelling and screaming to go back, or using the teachings of our tradition to have compassion, love and grace for the lives of gods children. What do you think, what your governor said and how some of the religious leaders in your state responded . Caller i think Terry Bransted is right on. He knows the spirit of what is going on. Nobody is being deported. If they are sent to a legitimate u. S. Embassy. Host got your point. Well move on well move to peggy. Democratic caller. Youre on the air. Caller hi. I dont agree that these states should be taking any immigrants. Its been going on for years and years in this country. Host the number of the influx of minors has increased in the past three years to the point where the border agencies are saying they just dont have the capacity at the border to house these children while they put them in the process for due process and deportation. Caller well, theyre coming into this country illegally. They should be treated as such. They are considered under u. S. Law also to be unless its a criminal act, for them to be put over here, sent over here. And just the idea that their parents would actually allow their children to come across over here unsupervised, what does that say about their parents . Host donald in tennessee, republican caller, hi, donald. Caller hello. Host what do you think, donald, this morning . Caller im thinking that our state is not really in a position to take on an influx of children, adults or any other form of illegal aliens. Host why not, donald . Whats the situation like in tennessee . Caller the situation in tennessee, especially in my particular area of tennessee, were very poor, to be perfectly honest. We have a hard enough time paying for our own poor people, and its just well, you know, its kind of wrong, you know, like the last caller said, you know, theyre coming in here illegally. Theyre not coming through the proper channels. Im all for immigration, but i am not for illegal immigration in any stretch of the imagination. Host okay. All right. Caller youre not supposed to come to our country with your hand out for freebies and thats exactly what were seeing. Host charles in georgia, independent caller, what do you think . Caller thanks for taking my call. I think everybody who wants to welcome these illegals into the country should be willing to take them into their own homes. I was born in miami, florida, and being a native there ive seen the things we moved way from many years ago. When i go back to my neighborhood im like a foreigner there now. Everybody speaks spanish or some other language. Thats the future of the United States. We welcome people very generously, and they return and they return our welcome by trying to take over everything and make everything in their own image and draining our resources here. We just cant take care of the entire world. Host suring are land texas, democratic caller, artis whats it like in suring are land texas . Where is that . Caller right outside of houston. Host okay. Caller what i called about, to say this to all of my christian friends out there who are talking about what makes these mothers send their children on this long journey . And they do not realize in theyre own bible that moses mother put him in the river nile full of crocodiles. We need to make sure we Pay Attention to that. Host you think this is about christianity, about morality . Caller i think us being christians we should realize and stop saying statements like that. They have to ask those mothers why they sent those children, ask why most essent his children to the river nile. Host what do you think, ian . Caller i think no one can afford this, this is the issue, that the mothers will follow. Theyre uneducate ited. Theyre going to have to get to work for some job. They dont have it to teach english, you know, just the influx of these kids with all the diseases and everything, the states dont have it. They just dont have it. And we got American Kids starving, so we got to take care of our priorities first. Theres kids all over the world starving, and its a sad thing. The republicans dont push old ladies off on wheelchairs and grandmothers, we have hearts but we have to have brains. Host can i bounce this off you . This 40s sir a cue from new jersey. Who pay for the immigrants . S . It says in q a here how many children come to syracuse . Theyre looking at 100 to 200. They would stay less than 35 days, thats the average. The children can be any age up to 17, and 2013, 24 of the unaccompanied minors were under the ill an of 14. In the countries theyre coming from, large percentage from guatemala, children also coming from el salvador, mexico. Will the kids attend school . No. All of their activities will be on the grounds of the Maria Regina College campus. That includes Outdoor Education and any recreation. They would leave the campus for deportation proceedings, which would be in u. S. Immigration court in buffalo. Who pays for this . The federal government pays for everything. There is no local or state share. After reading that, hearing that, does it change your mind at all . Caller between the nsa, the ris, fast and four yous, benghazi, who believes the government when they speak right now, the federal government . The money doesnt grow on trees. This has to come from somewhere, and that happens to be taxpayers. And theres a major problem with it. Its very inhumane, as far as im concerned. These kids these their parents. So. Host host some of these kids will be coming with their mothers and saying at these facilities. Caller what about the nigerians, about all the kids in africa . Where does it stop . Host got your point. Marry and in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, independent caller. Caller hi. I think the children should be taken back. Host okay. Why do you think that . Caller because we cannot afford it. These border states, my sister lives in texas, and she says its terrible. She said its terrible, the living conditions, the way these kids are spreading lice and diseases that we eradicated years ago, and i think its not right. We cant afford to take care of our own children that are 41 million in foster care, i believe. Im a social worker. Host okay. Lets go to charged in chicago, democratic caller. Charles, what do you think this morning . Caller yes. In my respect, as far as helping the kids out, i think its okay helping the kids, but if theyre doing it the right way. As i scan through watching the news, i saw both on two different news channels, and i was waiting for another, but some agents have come out going through the Border Patrol reps saying how they have been held back from stopping them from coming across. But i dont think that we should be allowing them to come across as they are now, but to be turned around and a lot of kids and there are some pictures, where bus loads have been dropped off and they have it where theres five kids and 30 adults on a bus because they are coming in groups. Host okay. All right. Die and, up in new york, republican caller, where is that located, stock hold . Caller good morning. Its at the eastern end of long island. Its beautiful out here. And, of course, you know we have records, and theyre lovely people. Really, im sad about it. Im outraged at this government, obama again, i agree with the gentleman from georgia that the culture is changing, but not so subtly with this matter. Im outraged at the mothers who would send their children here, especially mexico for allowing passage to their country. I believe that buses loaded with these children, god bless them, along with the National Guard contingent, really should be sent to mexico city with understanding that all federal aid to mexico, honduras, will be withheld until these children are safely sent home. That will make things move along a little bit more quickly. Host here is a reaction from republican governor out of maine, who had this statement, after a Conference Call between the administration and governors, here is a quote. I only learned that children have been placed in maine after i asked the question. No one from the federal government had informed me or the Governors Office that unaccompanied alien children were coming to maine. The white house officials did not provide any further information and questions about by other governors about how to handle unaccompanied alien children when unanswered. Our nation was founded by immigrants who came to this country in search of a better life. Our state still welcomes legal immigrants who want to work hard and help maine prosper. We cannot afford to spend our limited resources on those who come here illegally. Were going to get your thoughts this morning outside of washington. What should be done with these children . Are you willing to have your state take in some of these unaccompanied minors . Up on capitol hill, theres a debate in the house and in the senate over emergency funding for the influx of minors. House republicans want to spend 1. 5 billion, which they unveiled wednesday, which would take care of the Record Number of my grants who arrived in recent months. It would mandate the deployment of National Guard troops, require the administration to more quickly process and deport Young Children and families who illegal listen teared the country. Goes on to say that House Speaker john boehner faulted obama for failing to work with congress to swiftly find a solution to this situation. Here is what he had to say yesterday when talking to reporters. What the pities asking for is a blank check. He wants us to throw more money at the problem without doing anything to solve the problem. The administration ought to get their act together. You know, they made indications that they were for changes in the 2008 law that helped bring this problem on. And yet now theyre opposed to it. And so without trying to fix the problem, i dont know how we actually are in a position to give the president any more money. Host house spaker john boehner talking to reporters after the Republican Working Group headed up by kay granger out of texas, a republican, came up with this proposal, 1. 5 billion. From the Washington Post, in the Senate Democrats plan to move forward on a spending bill to provide 2. 7 billion in emergency funds to deal with the influx of minors, about 1 billion less than obamas request. The democratic plan will not include amendments to that 2008 law, which republicans want to include, allowing the government to quickly, more efficiently deport these illegal children crossing the border. Here is the Senate Appropriations committee chairman, democrat of maryland, on the floor yesterday talking about the money. It will deal with the crisis of our children arriving at the border, and that would be 2. 7 billion. 1 billion than what the president asked for. It will care for the children, it will provide food, shelter and other needs, it will resolve childrens asylum status and it will provide enforcement money to break up organized crime, cartels, the traffickers and the smugglers. Host the chairwoman of the Appropriations Committee in the senate talking about their spending allocation for dealing with the southern border. Governor mary falin tweeted this out. Thanks to oklahoma delegation for standing up to president obama and calling and calling to end the use of fort sill. Governor fallin plans to visit fort sill and nearly 600 immigrant children housed there. That is what is happening in the state of oklahoma. Were asking all of you, should your state take in some of these unaccompanied minor children . Scott in new york, independent caller, scott what do you think . Caller yes, maam. Good morning. Thank you. Scott, 18 year watcher and caller of cspan, been all over the United States. No, we should not. We are sending the wrong message. I hope you give me a chance to tell you a true factual story. Before i moved to new york, i was living in louisiana, where you go to tours, very prominent gentleman owned the plantation. When i started working there, i had to work with five illegal, five, illegal hondurans. I got them down to three because i did not get along with them. I worked there and lived there, so i lived with these illegals on that property for five years. I learned a whole bunch about them. I went to my government. It is not the ins because the ins is not Homeland Security. Six months before i lost my job, i went to Homeland Security and reported these guys in hopes that we could send them back to their country and get american tax paying citizens to work. I lost my job during hurricane isaac because i got into a fight with two illegal aliens that were cussing me out in spanish. My government did nothing. We cannot keep it used to be millions, now its billions. Host all right, scott. Lets get other voices in. Eugene in pennsylvania, democratic caller. Eugene, go ahead. Caller good morning. How are you . Host good morning. Caller my thoughts are we should accept these children that are coming in from across the border. America really needs to embrace them. They need to do the christian thing and take care of these kids that are coming in across the border. Unfortunately, republicans are basically against it, there are a lot of things that theyre against. People in america, extended unemployment, taking entitlements during the shutdown. So im thinking theres a lot of issues, but we really should embrace these kids. Host so Many Americans want to offer shelter, food and clothing to the children at the border but havent been allowed to. Why not . Were going to keep taking your thoughts this morning. On should your state take in some of the minors that are crossing the border from Central America, along the southern border here in the United States, but first let me go through some of the morning headlines. You probably know that the faa gave the green light for u. S. Airlines to continue to go back into tel aviv to fly there, lift the ban on flights to israel, as the gaza toll tops 700. The Washington Post front page above the fold, u. S. Israeli ties its a mixed blessing. Secretary of state john kerry presses for lasting ceasefire between israel and hamas those bonds could prove to be both a curse and blessing. Either way they are reviving questions whether the United States can be an honest broker for peace. Israels iron dome Missile Defense system, which protected israelis from the constant barrage of rockets from hamas was created with substantial u. S. Assistance and hundreds of american soldiers fighting in israels armed forces. The partnership between the United States and israel has its roots in american sympathy, but goes on to say that the palestinians and hamas dont think that the u. S. Is an honest broker. The wall street journal, front page this morning, new push to lure hamas into truce, says the Obama Administration, israel and other middle east allies are fashioning a ceasefire proposal, the diplomats outlined a plan, the 16th day of israelis military offensive, but intense fighting. The New York Times this morning on their piece on diplomatic efforts says after meeting in israel yesterday, secretary of state john kerry flew back to cairo, which he has been used as his main hub. And consulted by phone with president obama. While mr. Kerry spoken by phone to his counterpart, he has yet to visit qatar during his diplomatic push. Both the United States and israel classify as a terrorist organization may emerge as an element of any ceasefire agreement. Qatar also has a tense relationship with egypts president , whose ceasefire proposal provided the framework for the current negotiations. In qatars capital, the leader of hamas outlined his own demands. He said that hamas would not close the door for a brief truce to evacuate the wounded and deliver humanitarian aid. He stressed a more lasting agreement would not come until some of the groups demands were met. By the way, on the faa banning flights into israel, usa today has the figures of what that could cost to israels tourism. It says its too soon to determine the economic fall out, but it says that which began in early july, prompted the Israel Hotel Association to estimate 125 million in lot of revenue, mostly because of israelis opting to stay home. Israelis Incoming Tour Operators Association blamed the fighting for a 20 drop in revenue. And an israeli paper saying that the flight ban could cost up to 200 million in lost revenue for israel. Lets go back to our question to all of you. We have about ten minutes left here. Your thoughts on whether or not your state should be taking in these unaccompanied minors. Carlos, in wheeling, west virginia, republican caller. Good morning. Caller i constantly heard these poor immigrants referred to as refugees, and thats kind of a change in what were calling them. That changes the attitude that people look at them with. Theyre not refugees, theyre Illegal Immigrants. I was born there, and its violent, not as bad as chicago or some of the big cities. This routine about theyre going to escape the violence. If they come into this country theyre going to be on the very bottom of our social scale, theyre going to be in the projects. Theyre going to be our dime. Its not a big step up. And theres another thing, too. This is blamed on a law in 2008 that bush wrote. Theyre not contiguous countries, okay . Thats what this thing has been blamed on. And its not true. In 2012, obama made 800,000 people citizens. These are their family and churn. Its a direct result of the president s actions. Its not right to put all the spin on it, because these people are going to come over here, and its kind of like okay, can i afford to take one into my household . I do the math now, i cannot. The country i dont see where we can afford it, either. Im as compassionate as the next person but we have to be practical, and this is not financially viable. Were going to collapse our welfare system and were going to lose the dollar as the reserve currency in the process. Were in trouble. Host connie in peking, illinois, independent caller. Good morning. Caller good morning, and the guy before me was exactly right. But Everyone Wants to say what god says, what the bible says. Well if you read the bible, you would know what jesus would say. Jesus would say im very sorry, go home, come back, obey the laws of the land. We are commanded by god to obey the laws of the land. But i have one more comment on that. He was talking about tel aviv and all that. No flight back and forth to host im going to leave it there. Stick to our topic for this first part of todays washington journal. Were going to be talking about the foreign conflicts coming up here later on, but lets stick to our topic here. Front page of Arizona Republic, another botched execution. The execution in that state drawn out, takes more than two hours to kill the murderer. The story below that has a picture of g brown, whose sister and father were murdered by the mr. Wood, the person who took more than two hours to kill yesterday, and says in the story state officials and the victims families took issues with other witnesss descriptions, saying that mr. Wood was not conscious after the first few minutes of that execution. So that out of the Arizona Republic this morning. Also, the New York Times has this story about that Senate Georgia run off race yesterday where david per dont you will face Michelle Nunn in the senate. The front page of the Washington Times this morning, gun prosecutions plummet under president obama. President obama decries gun violence and presses for more laws to restrict ownership, the Justice Department prosecuted 25 fewer cases. Take a look at that, if youre interested, front page of the Washington Times this morning. Matthew, blair, south carolina, good morning to you. Democratic caller. Caller good morning. Host go ahead. Caller i was calling because every time i hear about the situation, i keep hearing people saying that this is not a refugee situation. If we put ourselves in their situation, we would realize 100 that if youre chased by people who are criminals, who are trying to hurt you, nam mame yod all that, you became a refugees. Were all human, and beer this idea of john boehner standing you and rick perry standing up and talking about sending National Guard troops, to do what . To hurt children . I dont think so. Thank you. Host okay. Deanna, oregon, republican caller. Go ahead, deanna. Caller hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my call. One of the things that i wanted to i think that is important to address is that there is a law, and the law isnt being observed. And i think that is being missed in all the minutia. In addition to that, camp liberty in iraq, which is housing refugees that are there, that are facing death right now, currently are in need of some sort of humanitarian aid, if anything, and i was watching a cspan hearing last night in regards to that, which is completely not being add doctored by the administration. Big, big problems, with whats happen hing. One of those things, and i just want to say real quick host how is this related to the topic here . Caller the topic is, whats the difference between the Illegal Immigrants coming in, right, from guatemala and what and Central America and what is the difference between refugees in camp libber the i . That are facing death . Host okay. Caller right . Whats the difference between how do we differentiate . And thats why we have law. Host all right. Salisbury, north carolina, the democratic caller, the last for now. Go ahead. Caller i agree we should let these kids come in and find out whether theyre safe. As far as people spreading the lies about the lice and disease, the kids in texas we got measles because the parents refuse to have sax i nation. And lice im 69yearsold, ive never known a black man or black person of any kind to have lice. They all came from the kay cause shuns, so that lie needs to be stopped. Host all right. Up next, were going to take a look at military and Foreign Policy challenge across the facing the United States across the globe with representative mike conaway. And later well return to this issue of immigration with representative Raul Grijalva, a democrat from arizona. Well be right back. 40 years ago the watergate scandal led to the only resignation of an american president. This weekend, the House Judiciary Committee considers impeachment of the president and the charge of abuse of power. What you have here are questions about for what the framers had in mind, questions about whether the activities that had been found out by the committee and by the Senate Watergate committee, were indeed impeachable. And thirdly, can we prove that Richard Nixon knew about them and even authorized them . Watergate, 40 years later, sunday night at 8 00 eastern on American History tv on cspan three. This weekend on book tvs afterwards i thought it would be compelling to tell the story of a white family and a black family with the same name, who comes from the same place, and follow them from slavery through the civil war, reconstruction, Civil Rights Movement, up until today, and compare and contrast. Columnist and author Chris Tomlinson on his familys slave owning history, and how the legacy of slavery still affects american society. Saturday night, at ten eastern, on cspan2 afterwards. For over 35 years cspan brings Public Affairs events from washington to you. Offering complete gavel to gavel coverage of the u. S. House, as a Public Service of private industry. Were cspan, created by the cable tv industry 35 years ago and brought to you as a Public Service by your local cable or satellite provider. Washington journal continues. Host we want to welcome become to the journal mike conaway, a republican, served on the Armed Services committee and the intelligence panel. Let me begin with russia. Here is the front page of the Financial Times this morning. Ukraine just downed two ukrainian jets shot down, underscoring a stark truth for the international community. Separatists yo ensure genesee confronting kiev is armed. Thanks for having me on this morning. Thats coming from russia. This is putins issue. He could stop this with one word, and he is choosing to not do that. Its in his broader plan for russia, and its dangerous, and its unsafe, and it will get worse, and so this is all about putin. Host vladimir mute isnt said we didnt supply these thing, and when asked where did he get them, he said a shop. Guest its clear, public they got these movements across the russian border. This is old russian gear that may not be in service in russia today but they got them in stockpiles in vast amounts. This is putins game. Host whats to be done . Guest thats the problem. We are this position now where we dont have a lot of good options. Some of that selfinflicted early on when president obama basically blinked when he and president putin had the stare down by removing our Missile Defense program from eastern europe, by trying to reset the relationship. He set us off on a bad path. Nato contributed to this lack of strength and ability to push back by not properly funding their military over the years. Europe is in a tough place because they allowed themselves to become hostage to russian energy, and so there are not a lot of good options in this deal. I think stronger sanctions would help get the attention of the folks in russia who are supporting and backing putin. Part of the problem is putin is very popular back home now. Hes winning and hes the catchs meow. We are giving up a lot of things that happened before this started. We are not in a very strong position to be the able to do much in terms of ukraine at this point. Host senator corker, the Top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is quoted as saying europe today. Guest its a bit toothless, as well, but europe is is this is europes problem, as well as world problem. Peace and conflicts like these lead the other on conflicts and broader conflicts, so there is legitimate security interests of the United States to be engaged in this issue. We need to be a lot more forceful with mr. Putin as to what the fact we know that hes causing this and that this is his end game, is to broaden the reach of russia and to cause the rest of the world to think that russia is a world power. Host senator corker says president obama is being forceful. I want to give this administration an attaboy. The day before the incident occurred with the Malaysia Airlines they put in place eight armed dealers, and i thank them for that. Guest i do, too, but theyre going to have to do more than that than going after putins friends. This is going to be tough on europe, as you look at israels got problems with wanting to do deals with russia. Each of the countries ought to be pushing back has a conflict of interest, so to speak, or self interest issue that follows in to how we push back on the expansion that putin is driving. Host what should the president do . You said more needs to be done. Guest more needs to be done. We need to strengthen our nato allies, provide assistance to ukraine and make sure that no one is the least amount of doubt that were against everything that president putin is doing. I think the president needs toen gag putin and say you got to stop this. You can stop it. We know youre doing it. Be a more forceful player on the field than what he appears to be doing now. Host how do you help ukraine military, to make them a match against russia . How do you do it without putting guest you cant make them a match. You can give them moral boost by giving them certain things. We have been giving them some. Host what are you talking about specifically . Guest body are more, mres, all kinds of things that they need that would say you do have a fight. Ukrainians are fighting, and thats the important thing. Theyre wait outnumbered, not from the separatist standpoint. We can do the things to try to push russia back and let them know were watching them, we see what theyre doing. This shoot down could not have been a part of what they thought should happen. It helped galvanize u. S. Opinion, but this is a mid step, and i think a long game that putin has with respect to former soviet countries, where he may start the exact same kind of model, where he causes trouble to be committed in these countries, and then under the umbrella trying to protect is starting these kind of problems. He did it in russia, in georgia four years ago, five years ago now, and its a plan that hes got that i think will be further expanded if we dont do a better job pushing back. We have very limited options to do that, because of circumstances weve allowed to accrue over the last ten or 15 years. Host lets here from bobby in burlington, north carolina. Youre on the air. Caller i would like to say that i dont see where a Foreign Policy change facing the United States, what it is over the years it was the white folks been trying to tell everybody all over the world what to do, whatnot to do, doing in their own country. What they ought to do is trying to get they self together and leave everybody else alone, and everybody would be better. And i think that somebody should go and bomb israel. United states giving them bombs, and everything else, and nobody doing anything about that. Everybody likes to see that done. Host all right. Lets talk about guest he was saying we should bomb israel . Host he did. Guest really . Host respond. Guest United States should bomb israel . That takes the edge off the rest of your comments. That almost defies response. No, were not the worlds police officer, i got that. But we are the super power of the world. And with that morale Authority Comes responsibility to act where we should, and we got to be judicious about that. We should never act unless we got a clear National Interest of our own in which to protect or americans to protect. But violence of this scope in any country is a danger to the rest of the region. If you look back in 1914, when the assassination of ferdinand rolled into a much bigger problem, it should not have been the trigger for world war i but it was, as you look at the things that happen. You cant know in the front end if Something Like this isnt the trigger to so bigger. We have a National Security interest in it. We got limited options based on what weve done, but im just make sure i understand im categorically against the United States taking military action, thats nonsense. Host well go on to josh, independent caller. Caller good morning. So bombing israel is insane. Bombing anyone at this point is insane. Were living in a new age where really that kind of action can spell the end. The panelists talk about if i play this thing just based on the filters that we get in our media outlets, i saw lunatics burning a city down. They didnt remind me in any shape or form of people taking part in a democratic movement, so to speak. People were doing that here on the streets, i would expect that we would clean that up quirkily. Host what are you referring to . Caller what began the chain of events in ukraine. Host okay. All right. Caller burning things down, not going to the polls waiting until the next election, exercising their democratic rights. Host so what do you think should be done . Caller well, lets just lets just back up. Lets play the events over real quick, otherwise were jumping the gun. Host josh we need to get to your comment or question here because we got other people waiting. Caller im going to make quick comments. I havent spent as much time as the last caller. I dont hear enough Critical Thinking here. You know, even lets assume that the separatists shot down the plane, okay . Five minutes ago some of those separatists were colonels in the Ukrainian Army. You act as if the separatists are all specifically aligned with russia. Maybe theyre just not aligned with the hostile take over that happened. So those generals that were ukrainians five minutes ago, they have Ukrainian Arm amounts, as well. Host mr. Conway serves on the intelligence committee, based on those posts what do you know . Guest we know the arms are coming from russia, we know that the elections that were held, the areas where the russians did not want people to vote, they did not vote. We know there is incredible atrocities going on from open source reporting that of the most heinous nature. Its not just setting a car on fire in the middle of the street. There is bad things going on in ukraine, perpetrated by the separatists. I was told yesterday, it was a close meeting but it wasnt a secret meeting from general clark that pew tip recruited ever thug he could find in russia to move into ukraine and have them just join up with the separatists and do what they want to. There is separatist violent on separatists. There is horrible things they have have done to each other. They are killing people, and causing a great deal of misery for the folks in eastern ukraine, and if putin could stop it fiscal year 2017 and audited him 2018. Theyre making some steps that show progress. Commitment is there. Resources are there to make it happen. Ify are working at it but you have not created a Financial System with a view toward being able to audit, you put in a place that is not audible. Auditable. On. S one i am staying the role in the Armed Services committee is to move forward. Were making progress. It is not going as fast as we would like it or those in the pentagon would like it to go. Done isntum to get this in place. Part of my job is to make sure momentum is maintained. Some really incredible stuff we put the department of defense , notgh with sequestration just are actually related how they do their business. It would have to be over a million year time. The department of sense, department of defense cannot tell them that is not happening. We are on the same side of the issue. Is trying to make it happen and we are working on our side of the river with oversight to help them get what they need to make that happen. I appreciate you paying attention to that. Host on twitter he is wondering, does it mean throwing money at them . Guest not necessarily. Billion joint exercises, the administration did move things around to show for us. The shootdown with this jet would help. We need better option is to take care of this area is part of the reason putin has gone after them. That is not why he joined nato. We will look at making sure how were spending it and where our troops are. Strategically all we have. It helps us refocus what we. Hould have does that jeopardize at all the arabian negotiations that are happening with some sort of nuclear deal. Israel should be helping folks in ukraine but theyre. Rying i rans efforts in iraq. A tough chess game, a threedimensional chess game we are all continuing to try to play and it is not easy to try to cs far in advance with what you do and what the other guy will do and all those things at the same time. We do not get to just talk about ukraine. What grade would you give secretary of state john kerry on his efforts . Guest probably not grade the test yet. A great effort to make it happen. His team is loose and free. They should not be trying to talk about hurting israel or trying to bully israel, but the clock is still running. Florida, victoria, republican caller. Good morning. Caller thank you for taking my call. Observations have been with america. I love america. Ii, americarld war became the powerhouse to protect the european nation and we did a wonderful job over there. Nations. All of those host is that happening now . Caller we are now putting in a box, because we are financially to help israel, ukraine, and i think eisenhower for warned us about military contacts and getting into selectived to be more those who backed us with our military strength. Weak, they have become weak because we are so strong. Now were faced with a dilemma. We are faced with a dilemma. The weaker the United States military becomes, the weaker our military becomes. There is a causeandeffect. Award war in afghanistan. They are weary. They are still the strongest, in thethal, best trained world, but we are going in the wrong direction. We need to make ettore directions and eliminate sequestration and the threat of that. We have to decide Weapons Systems far in advance. With sequestration there, they cannot make the proper plants and recreated this turmoil about the audits. Our nation faces a point where we needed to decide, do we a federalnvest into government responsibility to theide for a navy to defend country and the army. We are not doing that properly. We are going in the wrong direction under this president s his leadership and it will not be easy. We have financial restraints and we have to make hard choices and set priorities. We spend money in other areas that should not be spent and we should spend it on our military. We should eliminate as much uncertainty as we can as in terms of their funding streams. It is important america have the strongest and maintain that position of the inge strongest, most Capable Military force on the face of the earth. The rest of the world is safer when that happens that we are safer. Jim next, new hampshire, independent caller. Good morning. Congressman, i will make this as simple as i possibly can. At and attendance calendar for the year. Apublican, a janitor gentleman who was on yesterday, i tried to get on twice to ask him. How could you possibly justify the amount of time you are going to be away or are away from congress. Youre going to be gone for all of august. This calendar shows me you will be gone for the first week of september. I will make it even shorter, october you are therefore two days. Than 31 days, including the willf next week, that you be in session between now and christmas eve. With all that is going on on the border, subjects you have brought up, the seriousness of the world and our country, how can you leave . Thank you, i appreciate that. I wish it were that simplistic. If you have seen lets say this year, the first 7. 5 months of calendar 2014, what has the senate done . Nothing. There is 321 bills the house has passed waiting for Senate Action waiting for the proverbial table. The house will continue to do what we are doing. Has continued to not do what they are not doing. We are into gridlock in this respect. I cannot justify going home. Traveling the district, 29 counties i represent garrett i will be in as many of those as i can in the month of august listening to constituents. For me to do my job. I cannot do it alone less i am representing those folks and listening to what they have to say. If i thought there was a president willing to work with the republican congress, we could probably stay more time. If there were a senate willing to talk with us, then yes. What were doing bypassing hundreds of bills, 21 was the count i saw yesterday, i do not know if it helps what is going on. If i will stay up your were going home and talk to constituents and get a sense of what theyre feeling and where their attitudes are, ive got to do both. That calendar was sent last november. None of the things were going right now are contemplated at that time. Going home and listening to my constituents. Should you stay until a border emergency funding is approved . My voice to the leadership is that we cannot go home unless we have done something in the house to affect the border. I was down there last friday and going back early august. Circumstance,le the most heartbreaking and gut wrenching experience to walk among those people being processed, to see the desperation in their eyes and the hopelessness and the situations they have found themselves in. We have to do something on the funding side. I hope we would include in their the 2008 fixed being talked about, just the president 2012 unit egypt. We edict. We have to do something. I do not want to go home and face my constituents and say, this is just the president s is problem. That is a fact, but we have a certain responsibility to show a better way forward. I am hopeful my colleagues will do that. Host on the line for democrats, daytona beach, florida. Caller i will talk as fast as your guest to get everything in. I disagree. We should not be bombing israel. Of course not. How about just holding them accountable . Theytly, last night, bombed the u. N. School in gaza. I was supposed to be a safe zone. Also, under the 2012 egyptian to try tosrael agreed work to lift the unfair blockage of palestinians in gaza. Settlements,tinued that is more important. Guestr gas mentioned triggers that start conflicts. When george w. Bush invaded iraq, violated article 21 by attacking the country and did not attack by destabilizing the our own cia admitted two months after we invaded that by invading the actually increased al qaeda membership 100 fold. Israel has a categorical, unfettered right to defend itself. If you had somebody on the other side who is honoring their side of the agreement, we can have a conversation but they clearly are not. Theyre using schools,. Ospitals, to store weapons when the palestinians and hamas does that, they are bringing that upon themselves. Havel should have and does the right to defend itself and its people. If you either one of our land neighbors were to launch one into United States, and the hundreds of rockets launched before they began in gaza. The not criticize colleagues in israel defending themselves, and people in hamas with those problems themselves violate. In fact now, being talked about another revision, is israel would agree to some Economic Relief for gaza. Should that be the case . Guest what will hamas give up . Want to know what hamas is agreeing to do. Will they stick to it . It is a group that would rather fight than half piece. Have peace. If you make a deal with somebody, you want to think they will honor the deal. They have broken their side. Whatever netanyahu wants to give up to ceasefire, a few things , that is theire decision to make. Host do you agree with he who said the president launched an economic boycott on israel when faa banned the airline themselves, were looking at the safety and soundness. Ban 36 hours. E because the airline themselves, american, united, were actually looking at stopping their own flights on their own, i do not know the faa did not decide to do that or the white house did not try that, but the impact would have extended that very long. It would have had an Economic Impact on israel. But i do not know the white house intentionally did that. I do not have evidence one way or the other. I do know the impact of it would have cost Economic Hardship on israel. Fletcher on our line for republicans. Caller can you hear me . I just wanted to comment. I am a retired disabled veteran and i did 32 years in the navy and the army. Today, they are expecting 100 volunteer. I do not believe they will get it in the future. I think the young man and women are losing the trust of our federal government. They do not want to serve. Today, theyre handing pink slips to soldiers in the field and our soldiers do not need the burden. They have got enough worry on their mind as it is. Guest you are speaking right to a great impact of reducing the. Ervice reduce the size of Government Spending and military spending. Those think slips went out to about 1100 captains here in the last week or so. The army is doing the best job feather that to impact across their careers and lives the best they can. They have got a year to work out transition plans. I spoke last night with the head of army reserve. They could take every single one of those captains into the army reserve and continue to serve and continue to build. This is hard. It is unfortunate. It should not be happening. The president led the effort and is our latest misery at his feet. The men and women in combat in afghanistan at the exact same time the folks here got him. You look at the circumstances, they get a year from when the decision was made. You had a tugofwar, as i mentioned earlier, between, you give information that have an impact on what theyre doing, or you withhold that from them and theythey know stateside got these notices and i am wondering, will i get them back and those kinds of things there it the answer to that, lets give them every day at the same time. Them to be better for deal with the reality. This is hard and were cutting the size of the army. When you cut the number of troops, you need fewer captains and fewer matrons and everything. Everything shrinks accordingly. Peoples lives are affected. They have served their country, they deployed multiple times, they have done exactly what they needed to do to maintain status is in the army. And yet, the army cannot afford to keep them. Through no fault of their own, the president , his lack of leadership, spending, good men and women are being affected by this drug down. That is what happens when you draw down the services. It is unpleasant. Were talking with congressman mike conaway, republican from texas. The Goodfellow Air force base is located in the congressmans district, a nonflying air force space and the main mission is cryptologic intelligence training for the air force army navy and the marine corps. We will go to robert in the louisiana, democratic caller. Caller good morning. It is not a good morning sitting here listening to this republican talk out of his both sides. Aboutear one more times israels is right to defend themselves, everybody has got that right. How are they going to fight somebody and put their arms when they [indiscernible] to a place like gaza strip. Apparently are of fighting pretty well. Hey sent a rocket they closed at airport for time. Hundreds of rockets are being shut out of gaza and israel before israel took the steps. It is clear the folks in gaza are fighting and they have got weapons and training. They picked this fight. Israel has a right to defend itself. We also trained all the entrylevel firefighters. Armed services go through the air force base as part of an Additional Mission they have got. We will go to beatrice. Democratic caller. Know why would like to is everything laid at the president s the when it is always democrats and republicans arguing amongst themselves . Maybe if they would come together on a sound decision, they would make decisions for everyone better all around and we could get something done in our country. Guest i appreciate that. The president was hired to leave the country. Us back. Be leaving he is in his second term and will never have to run for reelection. What better position is a person like that to lead the country . We cannot govern up there and we need to govern toward the middle and bring the country together. That is his role. The president is not doing that. He continues to be more divisive every single day. You look at congress, we are a reflection of the American People. We are downstream from the amerco people. On, the you see going lack of ability to get along and make deals is reflective of what i am hearing from my constituents and the democrats are hearing. We have a divided nation. Bring the nation back together than the president of the United States. That is his job. He has got nothing to lose at this point than to do that. It would be in the best interest of all of us to say republicans and democrats, lets work together. Every time we come to the president with issues, he says, great, give me 1 trillion in tax revenues. No, mr. President , we are not doing that. How about fundamental tax reform . Give me another trillion dollars in tax revenue. No, mr. President , we will not do that. It is not in the best interest of the country. Much of this has to be lain at the feet of the president whouse he is the one person could help bring the country back together and begin to solve some of these problems. Are we going to grant everything a thing . Absolutely not hear it but the president has that responsibility and he is not living up to it. This is the headline on iraq. Do you agree with that assessment . Guest yes. Better. They are operating in a military fashion. Because ofre capable the ability of the territory they are a force to be reckoned with and will destabilize the middle east if we are not careful. Iraq, malkir in rejects irans urging to step down. To persuadey iran him to step down. This is courting to senior iraqi George Washington set a great example when he walked away from the most powerful position in the United States after two terms. I would hope other World Leaders would look at the best interest of the country. I do not know if he should be the guy. I do not think he should be. But he ought to be operating in what is the best interest of all of iraq. Why has he not brought the sunnis together, perform the coalition government, if it is in the best interest of his country, for someone else to lead as prime minister, i would hope he would love his country and love his people enough to do that. So far, he disagreed with the analysis and thinks it is in his interest to disagree with the analysis. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee tomorrow the issue ofon iraq. 10 00 a. M. Eastern time on cspan3 as well as cspan ran radio. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I want to comment on the israel and gaza conflict but i first want to roll back to what the congressman just said about bully pulpit. We hear a lot of sound they that do not match the situation. Leadership is neither bullying nor is it from a pulpit. Et me just let that float my comment on the israel gaza goes back to when israelis first withdrew from israel. The first thing they did was tear down all the settlements they had built. You may withdraw from gaza in 2005 . Caller yes, back when they first withdrew from gaza and the west bank, both, they had placed settlements there. ,art of the Peace Agreement there was nothing in there for them to destroy the settlements. It would be a wonderful gesture on the part of israelis. Perhaps it would have cost them a different attitude among palestinians had they left those the poor andith overcrowded people over there. They put a lot of money into building them, and then they just tore them down. If it was just one gesture they we wantke to say, peace, this might have been there opportunity. That is speculation. Those were built by israelis with their own money and part of the issue was, how do you keep youreaelis out of it if going to resettle them . I do not know all the decisions made and i do not disagree having the constituents in the west bank and the gaza were horrible. At the time it was going on, to get the israelis out, the decision was made to destroy the settlements in order to effectively locate israelis. Host democratic caller. Caller i am getting your dated by the comments the representative from texas keeps making about president obama. You probably keep saying, he is not helping immigration. The president is one individual. Congress is over 400 individuals. It is congresss job to do their job. Youre getting paid to basically do nothing. I had to call in because a lot of the representatives do not watch every move and everything republicans say as well as democrats say. The only thing i say to you and your representatives, go back to your caucus and start coming on cspan with true facts. We do not want to hear rhetoric. We do not want to hear the president is not doing this, the democrats are not doing that, the republicans are not doing this. We want to hear what you want to do. He mentioned congress. Written largest 535 in the house of representatives. The house has done his its work. We have 301 bills. No one of which is a silver bullet. If you look at that approach drafting the bills come it would have made things better going forward. What about the power of the purse . Congress does have that. The senate of the house has the power of the purse. Harry reid is a coconspirator with everything the president is doing. Sometimes, is misunderstood the ability to raise taxes can only start at the house of representatives. That is not the full power of the purse. We spend the money and those bills can start of the house. We have to have the senate go along with us on any spending. If we use the power of the purse, we have to have the senate help us in that regard. The legislative ranch is not the enforcement ranch. The executive branch enforces the law, take the law we passed. Themresident is forcing way beyond what they say or not enforcing them at all. It is a combination but really the executive ranch role under three branches of government to the congressaws passes. The president has done a poor job of doing that on both sides. He has overreached in a lot of areas and underperformed in a lot of others, including the border. Host one last phone call come independent caller, carolina. Toler i am tickled to death talk to the representative. But i am going to refer to fact checking. When, as a republican, i voted for bush one and bush two. I remember when i decided to become a republican. We have got to take back and do fact checking. When bush one and bush to came , i think bill in clinton left us with a major surplus. We will take that point because were running out of time with the congressman. Run onehe nation had year of a surplus that did not include Social Security surpluses. Clinton era folks like to brag on three years in which there were surpluses. He does of those years, that was generated because we could do more Social Security than we paid out. They were on introduction we bragged about paying off the debt. The economy president w bush inherited was a recession in all that. Then 9 11 happened. The things they thought would happen in 1999 and 2000 had dramatic impact on the 9 11 effect and all the other things that went on that caused those surpluses to not materialize. Speaking of fax. Host facts. Host thank you for it time. We will talk to Raul Grijalva of arizona, democrat. Later, we will talk take a look at the Delta Regional Authority. All that after this news update from cspan radio. From algae orated. As disappeared from radar Authorities Say it was carrying 110 passengers and six crew when air Navigation Services lost track of the swift airplane 50 minutes after takeoff earlier today. Air is a spanish and private airline. The plane had been missing for hours before it was made public. The flightpath does pass over molly, where unrest is taking place in the north. Mornings house rule committee, lawmakers will preview floor debate on a resolution that will give House Republicans the goahead to sue the president for delaying enforcement of health care andate. More action on the measure is expected next week. In todays meeting, democrats are expected to demand gop leaders disclose how much the lawsuit attempt will cost taxpayers. Finally, after spending nearly 300 million on a new suit new Computer System to handle disability claims, the Social Security Administration Still cannot get it to work and officials cannot say when it will. This is according to a new report commissioned by the agency. Six years ago, Social Security embarked on a new plan to replace outdated Computer Systems. Growing flood a of disability claims. The report says the project has and wrecked by delays mismanagement. Some of the latest headlines on cspan radio. 40 years ago, the watergate scandal led to the only resignation of an american president. We revisit. House committee as it considers impeachment of the president and the charges of abuse of power. Questions about what the framers had in mind, questions about whether the activities that had been found and thehe Committee Senate watergate committee, were indeed impeachable, and thirdly, can we prove Richard Nixon knew about them and even authorize them . Watergate, 40 years later, sunday night. Cspan3. Washington journal continues. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] ,ost congressman Raul Grijalva democrat from arizona. Your republican colleagues yesterday unveiled a 1. 5 billion solution. To the border crisis. It would put the National Guard moree border and spend than 2 billion less than what the president wants to spend. Your reaction . Guest it really avoids the with the dealing humanitarian crisis. It talks about troops at the border, increased in enforcement for Border Patrol, toss about expediting and essentially a noreen the law that exists as we speak. Processing the removal, deportation, of these miners and kids. First andnforcement frankly no resources to implement the law. Plan, the, under the u. S. Would also accelerate immigration hearings for the children flooding across the southern border, provide additional judges to hear request for asylum and held the children close to where they enter the country in texas and arizona. Primarily texas. Of beingprocess senator in arizona in my district, we reached a peak of 1300 kids, down to about 20 right now. Facilities opened up in texas whereas 90 plus of these children are coming through, that makes sense to avoid the travel, and also to avoid the as the numbers of kids trying to get across to windows, to windows, so will the need. Republicans also want to change the traffic victims protections act to more quickly deported children back to Central America. Where do you stand . Guest that is the fundamental line in the sand for many of us. If that indeed is the central part of the legislation, whether it is something the administration proposes, or something the republican majority in the house proposes, many of us will not vote for it. The law is therefore a reason. There is a due process involved in the law and it requires these children have advocates, that they have an opportunity to have someone represent them. I was a fiveyearold child to be able to make a claim of asylum or fear of violence. To bel the law has followed. The changing of the law is the political convenience right now. Does not really deal with the issue. It is a humanitarian crisis, a refugee crisis, fleeing from violence, and, unfortunately, the whole discussion has been looped in and tied together with the whole issue of Immigration Reform and border enforcement or the consequences are that the children are losing in the whole process. Democrat of texas was on the show couple weeks ago and he said we should change the law with deportations for the kids. We do it right now when children from mexico come across the border. Changed in 2000 and apply to all kids to essentially single out mexican kids across minorsder, unaccompanied , children. Many of us felt that was diluting the law. Now we have this part. I think it is a non sequitur argument mr. Claire has that we want these kids treated the same way as we treat mexican kids, because it is not an equity issue, trust me. It is an issue of due process. We feel very strongly about drawing the line on this portion of the law, because we have seen what the experience has been with the mexican kids. The u. N. Commission said there may be up to 5060 present percent of mexican kids in those areas fleeing for their lives. Law, their of the only interviewed by a Border Patrol agent and the assessment as to whether or not they have a right to claim asylum or go through the process is secondary to the primary issue, the border. Worth not passing anything over the 2008 law . It is a difficult question. If were talking about passing something of convenience, something that is more of a political coverage for people, the law becomes an issue thrown out, yes. Nation, the humanitarian values, asylum values, the values we have established in law and can and tradition and practice, are that important. It is a difficult question because you want to process the kids. If nothing is done, the law is in place and then like it or not, we are still obligated to follow it. It is a funny issue. Jeh johnson is the Homeland Security adviser warning if congress does nothing, the agencies run out of money in midaugust to deal with the situation. Unfortunately, i hope, i am not very optimistic coming from the house there will be a bill that could pass and go to the senate and that the senate would work with them on that particular bill, particularly the death the content proposed right now by republican leadership, even the in their own caucus, they have folks that do not feel it is tough enough or necessary to add Additional Support for the kids and they should just be deported. I would suggest, i am not very optimistic we will end up with a piece of legislation that meets the review by the republican majority in the house and senate. I think it will build up and we will probably deal with this in august. Our viewersshow what the house is proposing. 1. 5 billion in the border, laws we are talking about force beauty or deportations. It requires dhs to craft an amended plan to gain control of the border, address order security issues, create centers to help families and miners return to their own country, implement aggressive deterrent campaigns in the country of origin, deploy additional judges and establish the commission to craft a metric showing is these conditions are working. We have a fourth line set aside for border state residents who can call in. Jim, florida, democratic caller, youre up first, go ahead. Good morning. A pleasure to speak with you. You are one of my favorites. First, ito say to you am a prolife democrat and i am ofo the proud grandson jamaican immigrants. I was really pain to see the way my country greeted a lot of these women and children. Ofwas not a very good show our judeochristian values. I wanted to say to you, i wanted to suggest some solutions here to see if they have families here, if their families can take them, and i would also like to see states with cultural sensitivity, like my state, florida, take them in. I would also like to see our latin American Allies participate. What i am hearing a lot of is how we could reverse the reagan policies that destabilized the region. I am sure these people would and to return to safe homes live in security. Thank you so much for what you are doing, god bless you. Thank you. Part of the existing law deals with family unification. Family in the United States, to try to link those children to those families. Those children would have to be reintegrated back to their country of origin. I think the reintegration centers, transition centers, it is something that is a good idea in the home country so the reintegration deals with the issues of safety and violence many are concerned about. In support of the law, you have national, evangelical, organizations that have come out in strong support of the law because of the tradition you mentioned. Latin america, the root of the issue is Central America in this instance. We have a history, this country, a legacy in Central America, not a good one. Intervention, propping up dictatorships, taking sides in corporate, and intrusions into these countries. And the violence. We did a great job in columbia beginning to end the cocaine highway coming through the United States. They found another highway. That is Central America. With that highway came intending syndicates now, beginning to have a huge influence in those countries. When you have a country, the per murder,ation leader in that one out of every 300 men between the ages of 50 and 30 are destined to be murdered in their country and that is the violence, you can understand why i asked a mom why you are taking your kids with the riskier and the riskier of abuse , the riskier of violence, the death rate, it is a risk worth taking. This is what the Senate Democrats are proposing to do with the issue along the southern border. 2. 7 million in emergency funds. Border 1 billion for security and deportation. 50 million for Legal Services for these migrant children. 200 million to the state department. Two dueling proposals in the house and senate and the administration is saying funding needs to be approved before congress adjourned august 1 for the fiveweek recess. Sandra in alabama, a republican color, good morning. Morning. I just wanted to say about the immigration going on, the illegal immigration going on, america has always let people in. I love the country and i love children, but children need to be with their parents. There are a lot of parents over here and i heard there are a lot sending children ahead. A child needs to be with their parent. But i wouldry poor, not take a better home away from my parents. I love being with my parents. Host we will take that point. Thet family unification in family unit priority of the country is the priority all over the world. And in latin america as well. The meeting with those parents, those moms in particular, asking them, why would you take the risk, when they presented the situation in their neighborhoods and their countries, for the sake of their children, they felt finding them a safe harbor was more important. They were willing to take the risk and having them exposed to what they believe is the danger of their life. Said,so have come as i cartels that have taken over there that are charging between 3500 and 6,000 per person. We of Human Trafficking. We have the issue of people fleeing the violence. And the cartels are having it both ways. There are Human Trafficking and Drug Trafficking and making money off of it very i always thought the focus of our immigration crackdown and enforcement should be the cartels responsible for the violence in the border i represent, and responsible now excess tent for the exiting of the children from those countries. Press taken look at what these undocumented migrants are charging. 6,000 for a person for a full ride from Central America to the u. S. Person rides to gangs and 500 for an adult and 200 for a child a raft ride across the u. S. Mexican border. It has been one of the that somebody hacked into or got the information of these children at these Processing Centers and suddenly, theyre calling a families and saying, we can unify you with our chuck your for 5000,omplete lie, 6,000. 50 thousand dollars again, another level of exploitation and adding pain. Yes. That is the front page of the New York Times. The fbi says minors data has been obtained a lizard lake and these gangs or whoever are telling these people they can get them to their children that are here for a price. Margaret in north dakota, independent color, go ahead. Caller yes, i agree with the congressman about the humanitarian crisis. Money to charity. I went down there and brought. Ood and toys American People need to step up and take care of these kids. But, we also need to secure the border. So, you know, right now, it is like a flag saying, come on in. Whole villages have cleared out. On their way up. Lets talk about securing the border. Cnn is reporting the president is contemplating putting a National Guard there . Put theans want to National Guard there. The governor of texas has done so. Guest i have been somewhat to supported disappointed with the ministration on these issues. About puttingon the National Guard at the border, it is conceding that the mission there the mission on the border has to change. Thing, butis one also, how you focus and who you go after is critical on the border. Work fornd women who Border Patrol have a tough job and i admire what they do and respect them. But i think they could be much better utilize with a different mission. Instead of talking in circles about this and trying to outdo one another, in terms of how tough you are on the border, look at the mission itself him wherete it, and decide you need to change your focus. We continue to pile it can billion dollars a year on the 22,000 premier Border Patrol agent, and various ice contingencies all over the country. Someone explain to me why we did not objectively look at that. That is what congress is doing. I agree with security about this important issue. Were doing the same thing over and over again piling resources. This has been a change in the minds of the American People. Obviously, were not doing it right. Host we will go to texas, steve. Caller how are you doing. Aid to all five of those countries involved. For clinical reasons, but why not go to these and tell all the leaders of each one of the that it will be shut down will not be shut down until they stop the crime and killing in their respective countries . Whats on that point, the wall street journal reported this morning that president obama is meeting with the president of el salvador, honduras, and guatemala on friday to discuss ways to stem the crisis, including the thorny question of how to appreciate tens of thousands of youngsters to countries without putting them in harms way back home. Ki fed is an important meeting the president is having. Met with theaucus ambassadors to each country, repeating the issue, that we want to help, we are allies, but there is a corresponding responsibility as well. What we need to do, the percentage that goes to latin america compared to the rest of the world is miniscule. Most of that money going into training, equipment, it is important. Here is the deal. Human development, Economic Development, that is where there needs to be focused. People need to have jobs and they do not want to leave their countries. In a civil society, one of the recommendations i approve of is with united United Nations building up the judiciary and the independence of that judiciary and Law Enforcement. Pay Law Enforcement. When the cartel can offer you 10,000 in more money, then the correction will be rampant. Civil society and no consequences and the rule of law, those are things we can help build up in those countries. That is nationbuilding. Nationbuilding is not telling us what to do. It is understanding we need to support them. Each country is different. Each country needs a specific kind of attention. International Monetary Fund puts restrictions on how they lend money to el salvador if they do not do certain things. Will continue to protect their coffee as an export. Those kinds of issues, we need to look at until the Monetary Fund they need to go in there aggressively and develop associations without conditions. Douglas, republican caller. Youre on the air. Caller i am living on Social Security. I expect to live on 600,000 a month on food stamps. I do not know where these folks are getting this money to transport their children. I do not have that kind of money. I cannot go and visit my i do not have a good answer to your question or comment. It is unfortunate. Where do they get their money and what changes they have to go through, how they get to these cartels in order to move the children to the border, that is a desperation tactic and i have no idea how they come up with it. Journale wall street reporting this morning, a sharp decline in the last week. The week before, 300, last week was fewer than 100. What do you see in our zone in arizona . More facilities opened up in texas than need to have the facility for processing. 1300 became less and less important than the number began to drop here it it has to do with the campaigns in those countries in terms of the dangers associated. It has to do with the fact those have an opportunity to work with our government to get real, substantive, concentrated assistance for the communities. The big assistance is a reduction of violence. Drop,pite the recent there are still things that need to be tackled. Congress would have to change the law were significantly increase resources. I agree. We have to increase the resources. That is part of the president s when. I would hope the administration at some point is more definitive for which one of those strategies theyre looking at. One secretary will say one thing. The president basically has not commented on that. Definitive, i think you can put whatever political effort into getting that done. At this point, i could be criticized for saying that will not cross the line according to the law. There has been no real directive as to where we go on this for the administration. Have you told the president that himself . From themmittee dishes caucasus, we have been firm and our chairman was pretty firm, beyond the point we will not go. If that requires voting against the supplemental, that will happen. You think there are enough votes to pass the supplemental . Guest i think we would need democrats to pass it. Were a negotiation point in which we could deal with the law, and pass an expedited resource to get the attention the kids need to follow the law, i think you would find a lot of support. For parts of the senate bill, you would find a lot of support. To make the centerpiece a protection of human traffickers it is ok, is to say, we will get rid of the law and there will be no protection for a huge, that is fundamental, historic mistake the congress has made. And they will vote no. Guest with the exception. Claire. Host have you talked to mr. Claire . Guest cordial, but there is a in the approach. What happened to some of my democratic colleagues in the house is they jumped through the trap too soon. They do not let the American Public come to grips with what we are dealing with here. As people begin to understand ofrything, the level to die down and the decent American People get to comedie down and the decencye American People begins to come up. Long enough,wait politically speaking, strategically speaking. They jumped at it. Now, it becomes something not just in this moment, but for a long time, that is part of their legacy. Springs national park, arkansas, elizabeth, independent caller. Caller i get disgusted when i hear congressman and senators who i feel are totally unamerican when you come to this country and the people, the mexicans and people from latin america come here and do not become americans. They keep wanting more of their people coming in. I do not want to go to south america, i do not care for the people there. Host why would you say that . I am beingeel like held hostage as an american to pay for these people. If i were to go for with a backpack and did not speak the language to south america, i dont think they would take care of me for a week, even. Host ok. Congressman . Guest interesting question, i am careful about how i responded to this to be honest. Underlining this whole immigration, there is an underlying grid to it, unfortunately. That has to do with changes going on in this country demographically. It has to do with many people feeling fearful and threatened that their america is not there america as they wanted to be. The fact remains that america is changing. Latinos in this country have been in this country forever. The presence of a Latino Community that both serves the military, pays taxes, i was born in this country it is just the reality. The underlying grid that involves the issue of race is one of the most disturbing divisions you see in the debate. It is coming more and more to as the frail elements begin to control the discussion. For the good of america, the sooner we get around to dealing with Immigration Reform as a whole, the better off were going to be. Like on mash when i was a kid. New englandht doctor who once said my family has had trouble with immigrants since we got here. The same situation is repeated, and much uglier terms. Florida, you are on with congressman grijalva of arizona. Caller good morning. Hi. My opinion is that america should clothe the children, pampere children, the children. The parents should fight for their childrens liberty. Give them all the material they need to get it done. Then send the kids home to their parents. The bible says that you should be nice to a foreigner. Because one day a foreigner might be nice to you, hopefully. That is what you do. You be nice, you clothe them. Get rid ofparents the drug cartels, kick them out of the country. Host you were saying something similar earlier about cartels. Guest that is the root. Just like we did with like were doing with russia in terms of sanctions and like we are doing with terrorist organizations and the friends they have in the u. S. Fronts fronts and the they have in the u. S. You begin to squeeze their ability to do business, lending and Financial Institutions are processing the money. You begin to squeeze them the way you squeeze every other group that has been a threat to our country. This is a threat to our country, those cartels, they should be treated as that level as an international threat, not just a border phenomenon we deal with occasionally. Host this is a piece written by jeb bush and a coauthor, a book. Rs of th the solution to the border disorder. Jeb bush saying the members of congress have offered more pragmatic ideas than the president. The speaker of the house called for the National Guard. Legislation by john mccain and not cnn, all from arizona, where thousands of children have been sent, have introduced those to treat all the little immigrants entering from mexico in the same way. Allowing their immediate return. To their native country. Fundamentals the difference. Mr. Bush is embracing a philosophy that we need to change the law and we have to make it a priority enforcement issue. I grew up on the border and i represent almost 400 miles of border arizona. The men and women of the border do a fine job but i respect them. To further militarize the region that most of my colleagues do not know about and continue to talk about, we need to do that. That inind it ironic texas it depends so much on the Economic Exchange of mexico for their economy. Per capita it has the highest number of it and documented of undocumented people working for their economy. I found it ironic that the only solution they can come up with is seven National Guard to the border. It is sensationalism at its best and political opportunism. Host republican caller, go ahea d. In referencealling to the children. Im not sure if you are a senator or a congressman host congressman from arizona. Caller he said they do not want to leave, i have been to these countries, Central American countries that is not true. My wife, for the past year, ive been having trouble getting her home legally. We have two kids that are u. S. Citizens that are stuck down there. Beenf my daughters has diagnosed with hepatitis a and i cannot get her home for treatment. I apologize, you are breaking up quite a bit. I think this gentleman is talking about something that many of us feel is also a resource question. Something that can help ease the issue of Immigration Reform. There are millions of people like the spouse that are waiting to be called in, that have passed everything. It is not a question of any illegality, they are waiting for that visa to be reunited and bring their citizen children home. Millions. And that backlog has nothing to do with anything else other than a severe backlog. These people continue to wait. Philippines, a 13 year wait. 8, 5, 6 years of waiting when they have done everything but are just waiting to the call. That is an easy fix that would legitimately process people and bring them to the system to be with their families. Barbara, st. Louis, missouri, independent caller. Caller i dont think the whatr has been hearing people are saying. He did not say anything on securing the border. Issue is, we are almost 18. Rillion in debt we borrow money from mexico and pay our current bills. Where does he think all this money is owing to come from you he talks about violence and drugs in these other countries has he ever visited chicago . Does he know what is going on in detroit . Host weve got your point. Good point. We have domestic issues, some of them are very grave. We have a failing education system. We have too much gun violence in our country on the we do nothing about putting any kind of gun safety legislation together. It has been rejected by the rebel and again and again. We have proposed that there be a fair balance to the taxation policies of this country so little class people are not carrying the butter in carrying the burden for everyone else. That requires congress to have some level of courage to be able tell Corporate America that you need to pay your fair share. So that the deficit, the debt, and the resources we need to take care of the issues you laid out is available not only to the federal government, but the State Government as well. Weve been on this, some of the house is going to pay, we run our government on two wars on a credit card. The complaint is that this deficit has been caused by the people trying to change that system. I think this country can do much better and they can be much fairer. Part of it is how we deal with our revenues and where we get it. Host mike in ohio, democratic caller. Caller good morning. Guys arey 31, you going on a month recess. Know i theo republicans still going to send back a delicate send back a delegate to check out benghazi, how much are they going to spend . If this immigration thing is so important, why are you staying in session to get this hashed . Ut guest we should. It is not only the issue of immigration. It is dealing with transportation. A variety of issues that will be put aside while people take a month off to campaign or do whatever. We need to do it during that time. I cannot agree more. If this is a priority, it looks like there is no resolution for the kids in this humanitarian crisis on the border, this refugee crisis on the border, there seems to be no middle ground or compromise. , i us to leave that undone think, would be a mistake that would aggravate not only the American People, but make the crisis even worse. Going to get difficult in august for any of these relief efforts going on. I think we should act before then. Host on twitter must take care of domestic albums equally or discrimination will be harsher. Republicanalifornia, caller. Caller good morning, thank you for taking my call. I would like the congressmans is, when iwhy it watch the news at night, i do see the immigrants. I never see a reporter in el salvador, guatemala, i am very aware that violence takes place in mexico, israel are on our border. I dont argue with that. I have yet to see one reporter from cnn, any network you can who is reporting to me, saying i am down here in guatemala and here is why these people are coming up here. I have yet to see that. I admire you for taking this on. I would not want your job for all the tea in china. I might be doing the job americans do not want. Great point, i agree with you. The mass media that does report univision,do, azteca. They have fulltime reporters talking with families and the level of violence, interviewing moms as kids are in detention centers. I agree, i wish there would be one in which the American People would see the profile, the reality of what is going on in those countries. Brewer, Arizona Republicans ever, put out a statement saying this. The Obama Administration has chosen to avoid digital agents and is releasing unaccompanied alien children into the custody of socalled sponsors. Guest i think the vetting in the background checks and any that takesfamily kids has to be scrupulous and in detail. Governor brewer has made. Mmigration her signature issue she denied kids drivers licenses that were protected under the law. That was thrown out by the federal court. She raised money to build a wall on the border, which she is not allowed to do. Unfortunately, these kids got r politicalnother trap. See howe the drumbeat, much reaction we can get. Unfortunately, these kids are getting exploited both on the political front and not being dealt with to the degree that they should be so we can on this crisis so we can end this crisis. What i find most offensive is that all of a sudden these kids have become cannon fodder for political campaigns coming up. Host how would Immigration Reform fix this . Guest in the senate, there was additional money for judges. Host in the senate comprehensive bill . Guest that has always been a shortage, immigration judges. There was additional money for dealing with children. Last year in the appropriations bill, money was added to the childrens line item. Otherwise, we would have been out of money a month ago. A congresswoman was able to do that and in helping helping it become a worse crisis that wouldve been. Host condors meant grijalva, thank you for your time. Talk about the Delta Regional Authority, an agency that helps fight poverty in the delta region. Right after this news update from cspan radio. Of people seeking Unemployment Benefits fell last week to the lowest level in eight years. Weeklyor Department Says applications for unemployment aid dropped 19,000, to a seasonally adjusted 200 84,000. That is the lowest reading since nearly two06 hundred years before the recession began. 000 jobs indded 288, june, the fifth month of job gains above 200,000. General motors now says it expects to pay between 400 and 600 million to compensate victims of the faulty ignition switch type 213 deaths. To 13 deaths. Gm said today in its Quarterly Results report that because of Compensation Program does not have a cap, it might have to pay an additional 200 million in future quarters. Angelesech in los today, president obama expected to talk about tax driven by u. S. Mergers corporations. Issuing a call to end the practice quickly. And questioning the patriotism and citizenship of those companies. The push comes amid a developing trend by companies to reorganize with foreign entities, partly to reduce their tax payments in the u. S. Some of the latest headlines on cspan radio. This weekend on booktvs afterwards. I thought it would be compelling to tell the story of a white family and a black family with the same name, who come from the same place, and follow them from slavery through the civil war, reconstruction, jim crow, Civil Rights Movement up until today. And compare and contrast. Columnist and author Chris Tomlinson on his familys slaveowning history. How the legacy of slavery still affects american society. He talks with the brother of former nfl running back about their familys lineage as former slaves from the hill. Saturday night at 10 00 eastern on cspan2s afterwords. Washington journal continues. Host joined now by Christopher Masingill, cochair of the Delta Regional Authority. Here to talk about the agency that is charged with trying to fight poverty in the delta region. What is the delta region . It is a small, independent federal agency that tries to do development in the delta region, eight states, almost 10 million people, 200,000 squares miles. The southern tip of ill to louisiana and a swath of alabama. Host what do you do specifically . Inst we make investments public infrastructure, transportation, workforce training and development, and one of my priorities is Small Business development. That . Host howdy do guest we do that i working with local leaders. We can be the first, the middle, or we can close it. We are flexible am a we can respond in realtime. That makes an important difference in our part of the country. Host give us an example of a typical project. Guest our project, we are talking small dollars, you have a local development project. We need a little bit more to get them over the hump or they need to complete an access road, expansion of a port. We had a rail spur added to a multimillion dollar project. We can be a funding partner in that project. It has tremendous impacts. One of our unique abilities is to leverage. Milliontaken about 119 and leveraged that into 2. 8 smalln with a b with that amount of money. That makes a huge impact at the local level. A 221 return on investment. Host it is a federalstate partnership. Anst that works as independent federal agency. We have incredible flexibility. We can work in real time, we can be responsive to the needs of local Economic Developers and states. Unlike a lot of our federal partners, theres a lot of your accuracy and red tape. We are trying to cut through that. We can work in a nimble way. Host you create jobs . Guest businesses create jobs but we helped create the environment. We help become a partner. We have something we focus on everyday, to help create jobs, build communities, and improved jobs. That is what i get up every day thinking about. Counties in 8 states. How do states qualify for money . Guest if you have a county in the eight states, 252 counties and parishes, you can submit applications. We work with the local Economic Regional Council of governors, depending on what they are called in your area. And then we try to help fund those. We always have more demand than resources. Host employment rate has to be 1 higher than the national average. For the most recent 24 month period. Capita income of 80 or less of the National Per Capita income. When we were created, Congress Said this is an organization that was created to help rural america, to help the delta region. We want to make sure two things happened. Dollars goes into basic infrastructure or transportation. And 50 goes into distressed counties. That is not a problem in the delta region. We still have 20 of our people live in poverty. 200 52 counties and parishes see challenges every day. When was this agency created, and why . It was created at the end of president clintons administration. I was working on the senate side. And that marion barry from arkansas working on the house side. Aisle,both sides of the they recognized this needed to happen. We saw a great work from the abolition of from the appalachian commission. What can happen when you have a regional strategy on investments. We wanted to take the same concept and apply it to one of the poorest areas in the country. And i am glad that we have and we have seen progress. Host describe the conditions, the situation in these counties. Describe the poverty. This is something i have this conversation with policymakers and experts and academics all the time. It is different when you are on the ground. You recognize that we live in 2014 but i still have places that do not have clean running water. We are dealing with failing infrastructure. It is difficult to be competitive in a 21st Century Global economy. There are still good things happening. We have some of the highest numbers of diabetes, obesity, circulatory diseases, and the entire country. If you look at some of those numbers, you would associate that with a developing country. For menfe expectancy and women is below national average. And parishesunties have per capita income levels at or below the national average. Thee of property is rate of poverty is 370 higher. Deaths from diseases you outline, 16 higher for circulatory disease. 32 of adults report being obese, almost 12 report having diabetes. Guest it makes it a challenge. But we still have good things. The economy is rebounding in this country. 52 consecutive months of job growth. Last month alone, we had the largest announcements and Manufacturing Development in the country. We know things are happening. We just have to continue to work on those. Now is not the time to be pulling back our resources or pulling back on strategies. We need to be doubling down, making sure we are impacting educational attainment, workforce training and education. Small Business Development and entrepreneurship. Wen you talk about poverty, are celebrating the 50th year of the war on poverty. These are the strategies that make a difference on the local level. In one ofou live these eight states or one of the counties, we have a special line for you. 202 5855883. First, what is your budget Customer Account are you funded . Guest not enough, we will always take more. 12ange anywhere from million to 15 million a year. We are authorized at 30 million, we have never really seen 30 million. The more resources we have to create jobs. Host how successful are you . Guest we are incredibly successful. We do things differently, we are about transparency and accountability. We have a 22one of our investment and 90 of our dollars go into projects that create jobs at the local level. We do things a little bit differently. John, brooklyn, new york, democratic caller. Caller good morning, cspan and good morning mr. Masingill. Guest good morning. Ast sounds like this is wonderful program. Sounds like it actually deals , it dealsfic issues with helping poor people in the delta region. Up in a lowrew income family. I was able to, through the right education, having all the skill sets, from grade school all the way through as an adult, getting to the skill sets that i need in order to sustain a middleclass living. Your program, help is how does that encourage continuity at the educational level so that poor people continue up the getting a vocational, a technical background that can help them sustain the kind of job that they need to get. Healthcarehe industry, hospitals, manufacturing. Things that can sustain the education they need in order to be able to be economically strong throughout their lives. Thet thank you for question. It is right on point with what we do everyday. The number one key to this is education. Education, workforce training. Career and vocational training. That is the key, particularly in our part of the country. What we have done for a long time, we have put such an emphasis on everyone going on a fouryear track, that is not the only pathway to success. Particularly when we look at the on shoring happening in this country, which is very real. Manufacturing we have jobs that need to be built right now. We have been looking at this differently. When you do workforce training and developing, we need to do it from the supply side and the demand side. Host is the Delta Regional Authority supplying money for workforce training . Fort is one of our areas yesterday we kicked off one of eight workforce training and developing conferences in the region. Elevating this issue. Weve got to do more to connect youth to work and adjust our Workforce Development system and statend every individual in a holistic way, not just individual programs around the edges. We have to have holistic, systematic changes and overall system. Its the number one issue facing Economic Development. Not only in this country, but in the region. Host how popular are the workforce Training Facilities in the area . Guest very popular. We put an additional 1. 7 million aside to help build capacity in addressing these workforce issues. This in a deal with big way. The way that we do what is making sure we have a system in place that is creating a top line of skilled workers that meets the needs and demands of business and industry. That is a little different thinking. Business and industry should be driving the issue, not academics. Anthony and arkansas, democratic caller. , ar cap arkansas. I am a delta resident for life and i work on some of the things you are talking about. My interest is about accountability of the program. Talking about accountability and the success of your workforce program. What i am here to tell you this isning is that the program only as beneficial and successful as the Community Leaders who the program is and. For example, my community, we who aremunity leaders giving the impression and telling people that this area is destined to fail. And that anything that is done would not be successful. So the community you live in must the ready to receive and work on the type of programs you are talking about. Workforce training is needed desperately. But they are not reaching all the people you might think they are. We still have those entities that control these regions. Whatever you bring in, the money might come in, but it might not youeaching the recipients are planning to. My question and concern is, how , as the ones who receive these benefits, how can we ensure they are being dissed derivative being distributed as they are intended to. We have youths who do not have jobs, their life is being totally turned around. Guest great question. I am from arkansas and i spent a large part of my professional career in southeast arkansas, those counties. I understand what he is talking about. He is right. Thats an area that has tremendous challenges but there is also tremendous opportunities. We ensure these programs are going there because of the way we work. We work with Community Leaders. Local leadership is an important element of this whole issue. When you have local leaders that understand this, are driving this home, you see an amazing difference of the local level without. The other thing we know is that because of the investments that we may, the way we work with the local Community Leaders, we know firsthand the kind of return that these projects are having. I travel three days to four days a week. We see what is happening and we see the opportunities. I am up here now as a part of the rural opportunities Investment Conference we have been having as a part of the president s directive to make sure we are creating new opportunities for investments rural america. Workforce training and education issue facing one Economic Developers and the local level. We need to be doing more of that to take young people who, for whatever reason, they are having difficulties in school, we need to attach them to programs like adtech that creates a consortium kidsstitutions that takes in High School Come put them on a college kid is, teaches them a trade. They go to work immediately. We are seeing tremendous results. Not only with Graduation Rates but also job attainment. One other quick point. Something called jobs for americas graduates. It is the Largest National school to work program for youth, particularly disadvantaged youth. They have over a 90 success rate. Both in graduation and employment. Color,homes of people of singleparent homes. 100 and hispanic homes with single parents. Types of programs we make investments in and those are programs we are proud of. Host do you have this information on our website . Guest we do. Dra. Gov. Host georgia, democratic caller morning. Ood im calling because of the delta region program. And 2004, at003 that time i was living in northeastern louisiana. I left the community, the saw, the money comes in but goes to the people who do not need it. Peopleall community, the who do not have money because of where the system is, all the is in theouisiana city. Once they get it, they control it. Did not i was living in get the money. Host lets have Christopher Masingill address that. The localwork with Economic Developers. A key point i would make is the Delta Authority dollars are for Economic Development projects. Reallife projects that are attached to job creations. You have a project on the ground and are trying to create jobs. For need resources infrastructure or workforce training, that is where our money goes. Specific projects in local communities that deal with job creation. Host some of these areas have been known historically for having a tradition in politics, of cake tax, bribery, how do you make sure the last couple calls has said that this does not stay in the hands of certain people in the state. That is a valid question and it is very important. We are directly responsible for these dollars. Consecutived our 12 audits. We are more accountable for these dollars than any time we have been around. I will hold our numbers up to many of our partners in the federal family in the kinds of returns on investment and Accountability Measures that we have in place. We are directly involved. We are a small agency. We know individual projects. Makerk hand in glove to sure things happen. And we go back and monitor. We do not just provide resources and walk away. The way we do Economic Development, sometimes, even in these projects we have been working with the states, it is our money that has clawbacks. If a project is not return allies is a project does not materialize, i will take the money back and put it on another project. We do not get money for free. If you get dra resources, you are going to printers. If you do not, we will come back and take the money. Host susan, go ahead. Caller our family moved from west memphis, there was a plant that made parts for toyota. To arkansas, there was a plant that made parts i dont go your group has to do with them. Projects that have to do with green energy. I took the bus coming up north and i did not see any blue sky acause my mother is in nursing home, she is right next to a soy field. Host more green projects . Guest were involved in a lot of different types of projects. That is at the local level. We support green projects. We think that is an area tremendous opportunity for growth, additional job creation, and investments from outside the region. We just learned as a part of this conference, i have been with the administration and vilsek,ry tom bil an opportunity for entrepreneurs. We are seeing growth in this area. In a veryica stands good position to benefit. Host muskegon, michigan, democratic caller. Caller hello, how are you doing . Muskegon,t problem in our kids are getting their programs taken away. School programs, elementary schools, learning of everything. They have changed it where the kids do not get extra help that they need until they get to junior high. I believe that is wrong. All these kids, they need it when they are in elementary. Chool a lot of time they get to junior high and high school and they do not know what they are learning. , any mr. Masingill thoughts . Guest that is also a issue for the country, roll america rural america. We need to put our young people on a career path. So when they graduate they are career weather and work ready. Making sure you have a strong career and technical connection in links. That is one of the things we are working on every day. Southernreport by the growth policy board, that is very important. That is why it is so important that we have more resources and programs for Early Childhood education. That is critically important to the success of our young people. Host colleen, tennessee, independent caller. Caller im originally from a parish at the very bottom of the state of louisiana. Why they dont participate in this program. They have got some pretty poor regions in some of the bayous. Just out of curiosity, what is the little badge on your lapel . Mr. Masingill . Our lapel pin for the agency. Eagle got our symbol, the with eight stars above it that represents the eight states, with our name. And then it says chairman on it. The second part, we did quite a bit of work in south louisiana. To ourrish is connected footprint. Not directly, but we work around that. We have projects that Touch Community outside our footprint who can still participate. The way the counties and parishes were determined was in our enacting legislation, done by congress. Louisiana has the largest share of our footprint. They also received the largest amount of our dollars every year. Are thew big or small projects, what is the average cost . Average investment is anywhere from 150,000 to 400,000. A couple years ago, we did a multistate project, 3 million in a project in tennessee, shelby county, the electrolux, a great example of reshoring in this country. Created by that project. Either going to mexico or staying in america. We saved the project from going to mexico. It is here, creating jobs, it is one that we are proud of. On twitter didnt president johnson try and focus on the poverty in appalachia and still poverty is extreme . Guest lets take a couple things in perspective. We have had a tremendous impact on poverty. Is it completely annihilated . No. But the war on poverty started, particularly when we started tracking debt in 1967, 20 6 . National poverty is down to 15 . We have made an impact, that is why programs like the snap program, raising minimum wage and addressing the earned income tax credit. Making sure resources are available to people. To be . Here we want no. We have learned valuable lessons. We have more information and better data to look at. A long way tohave go. We have seen tremendous impact with the investments the Appalachian Regional Commission has put in place. It has had a tremendous impact. I believe we continue to work on it every day. Whatanother tweet, skills are you teaching them . Is it specific to jobs in the region . Guest and a lot of programs address both of those. When we look at workforce training and education, we do it from the supply side and the demand side based on the needs of business and industry. Is 600,000there manufacturing jobs going unfilled as you and i sit here right now. That is a problem. If we put those people to work, those jobs are in rural america. We have got new jobs being created. We have to make sure we have a system in place that is providing a skilled pipeline of workers. It should be one of our number one priorities. Host what kind of companies are coming to the delta region . Guest i just mentioned electrolux, traditional manufacturing. These are not manufacturing of yesterday or our parents and type ofents environment. A lot of these skills are related to trade and technical, highpaying, high skill. It is important that we match the job training to what we know is coming in each and every one of our states. We see in increased development and programs like Career Readiness certificates that matched skills to the jobs. So there is not this mismatch. We know having communities become work ready, communities come together and say we are going to put a priority on creating a system at the local level to meet the demands of business and industry, that is the kind of stuff that makes a difference. West virginia, georgia, a democrat. Caller good morning. Since thes delta region covers roughly eight states, eight different is, liked your money you say, 12 million a year it doesnt upset you when you read the paper or you see on tv that we are sending billions of dollars to mexico and all these other countries and we have no idea where that money is going or what it is being used for . You are trying to create something for people here in the u. S. Are you receiving me . Host that is the next phone call, hold on. Guest no worries. It is a valid point. We are always ready to take more resources. We know that we have to have National Strategies to meet our partners in the international community. Sometimes, we obviously think about that. Ournow and we trust that colleagues are making the right decisions to develop our relationships internationally. At the end of the day, we will take more resources so we can continue to create jobs and improve lives, i will do that all day long. Our budget, what we get, does not even equate to the breaking system of a c130. Not not saying those are important, they are important to the men and women in the military and help create jobs. When you start looking at in comparison, 12 billion to 15 million a year come through this little agency. It has got a return rate of 221. That has impacted over 16,000 jobs, 25,000 families getting clean water and sewer systems because of the work we are doing. Recognizing that we still have a lot more work to do. We stretch every dollar. Host you are authorized at 30 million. Is the fight every year just to get that . Guest the climate in washington is different. We have to show that we are transparent, accountable and have a return on our investment. We try to make sure we communicate to members of congress the good work we are doing and the importance of continuing those investments and creating jobs and some of the poorest areas in the country. Host steve, for to, you are on the air. Caller i wanted to state an opinion and i have not spoken a word. I assume i am on a threeway call. I am going to put you on hold, we will get this straightened out and come back to you. Heres another tweet. 600,000 manufacturing jobs . What are the wages . Slavelabor. Thet i am not sure that American Association of manufacturers would agree with that. In our part of the world, we have tremendous value in the jobs that are being created in the delta region. For example, projects like the ladyx, the one mentioned earlier. These are good jobs with benefits. These are good jobs that change peoples economic status. Youwant to impact poverty, create more jobs. More investments in education. That is how we move the needle. We need to make sure these are quality jobs. But creating more jobs is the first step. Country, weof the want more Economic Development and Small Businesses to start up. We want more manufacturers. We will take that every day. Host talking with christopher deltaill, cochair of the regional authority. An agency tasked with fighting poverty in the delta region. Eight states, over 250 counties, these are the state on your screen. Getting your thoughts and questions on that. Phone numbers on your screen. A fourth line for delta region residence at 202 5855883. There other regional authorities, other agencies like yours, that focus on other parts of the country . Thethree others Appalachian Regional Commission being the grandmother, showing what can be done when you have concentrated regional investment. Host what their budget . More, butnificantly they have been around for 50 years. Theyve been able to demonstrate their success. We are very proud of that. It shows what you can do at other parts of having a regional strategy. We would certainly like to get at that same level at some point. Host what is it . 75 millionund baseline funding, they get additional funding for transportation and other pieces. The other commission only serves alaska. Then the Delta Regional Authority. That is really the only ones that are truly surviving, that have got resources to do things. There were several others in the course of other years, but they have not received funding, have not received personnel. And so the ones that are still making investments are arc, dra, and denali. Host when was denali set up . Guest not sure, ours was created in 2008. Host who in Congress Helped . Guest former senator Blanche Lincoln and u. S. Congressman marion berry. Host did you work for one of them . Dear they are both friends and mentors, i worked for senator lincoln for several years. And congressmen very it was somebody i have been close to for a long time. Tot boringfileclerk wants know how long before the delta region becomes selfsufficient and no longer need your help . Ur goal. Hat is o we want to give people opportunities to get into the middle class. Hopefully we will make effort every day to do that. Hopefully 10, 20, 30 years from that we will not be needed. California, rancho santa margarita, dave, independent. Caller hello. Goodt to say he is doing a job trying to get people out of poverty. Should workhat they on is raising the minimum wage. It is way too low. Can you hear me . That minimum wage. Everybody knows it should be 21 an hour. Those congressmen who do not want to raise the minimum wage democrats do, republicans are against it. It should be no longer than 15 an hour. Barack is saying 10, but it should be more. Host whats the average income in this area . Are a lot of people making minimum wage . Guest there are. We support raising the minimum wage. We see the resource and have talked to businesses. Research is very clear. Raising the minimum wage has an impact on the poverty rates in this country. We know that it provides individuals transitioning so they can have a livable wage. The benefitsly see of raising the minimum wage. Paul, georgia, democratic caller. . Comment. Or housingi am in a low project. Someone is getting a tax relief for putting this little it is right outside of town, it is not wants, it isrnment all kinds of low Income Housing around this place. Is, i found the black mold in this place. I am sick. Host whats your point . Have real sharp minds and good ideas and everything. But it is the same old thing. It is almost biblical. Memphis, tennessee, republican caller. You are in the delta region. For taking myyou call. This is nothing more than corporate welfare. In shelby county, all these corporations coming in here, none of them pay taxes can you hear me . Here, they do in not pay taxes. It is more on the citizens. Now, the First Responders out here cannot even be in short cant be insured. They do not have enough money to do their insurance. Now they are raising our taxes for residents. And thecorporate people companies, they come in, they do not pay no taxes. Millions of dollars. Host mr. Masingill . Guest yes, incentives are something that there is difference in opinion on. States evaluate each project to determine what kind of incentives they will put on the table. Often times, states put clawbacks in. Ut every dollar we place into a ks to makes clawbac sure they have accountability. The other thing, you have got to think about this in the impact it has on jobs. That employees have because they have that good paying job and its return back to the economy. I am not sure i fully agree with the caller on that. Obviously, there is some unique circumstances at the local level that has got to be evaluated. The privatewith sector to create jobs, there is a tremendous benefit. White frankly im in some places, we need to do more. We need to be able to incentivize and have resources for infrastructure. We need to have resources for workforce training and education. That is a good thing. That is how jobs are created. Eno, nevada,r democratic caller. A wonderful is program. I was just calling to say we need it in nevada. I see so much homeless, it is falling apart. , people arelessness not working. It is really it is either you are rich or your poor. Victoria on twitter, it is a tiny budget, relatively speaking. Greenville, mississippi, go ahead. Caller hello . , i also in the area tried to help young kids get jobs in the summertime. They are out here in the suites. You see kids in the streets, no jobs. Also, there is a Delta Foundation to give young men jobs. Money. N out of so we still have a lot of private industry down here that disappeared over a period of time. It is like most people down here do not have jobs. Most people live on government subsidies. How do you go about trying to find some kind of thing to help these kids get jobs . To people who have skills and try to have them with a couple days, just trying to find ways to get people host we will have mr. Masingill respond, whats the best way . More resources for workforce training and education. It moves the needle, i encourage this gentleman, if he has an idea, share that idea, go to dra. Gov. Is stillcation period open. Now is a good time if you have ideas and you want to submit those to your planning and development district, we will take a look at those. Workforce training and education is key. To the deltamoving region, he is in westminster, maryland. Or are you moving . Caller i am moving to western tennessee. I was taxed out of maryland, recently retired from the city of baltimore. I was wondering if the gentleman had a plan b or c. Money andg is this would be less of a priority of so much money or not going out. By that i mean through property the legality of is ambiguous at best. You thereve to stop because the house is about to come in. If you can give me a quick answer, what do you think about when b . Guest additional economic growth. Lets put attention on creating Small Businesses. Putting more resources and strengthening the ecosystem for entrepreneurship. Host i apologize for the abrupt ending. Christopher masingill, cochair of the Delta Regional Authority. Find more information on dra. Gov. The house is about to come into session for morning business. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc. , in cooperation with the United States house of representatives. Any use of the closedcaptioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u. S. 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