in america officially is 14 million people. the situation is getting dire. but i want to give you a bigger perspective. it's hard to live in the moment and make decisions. let's go back to the beginning of 2009. that's when president obama first took office. we were losing in excess of 700,000 jobs in the month that he first took office. through 2009, things looked to get substantially better. according to experts, the recession ended in 2009. 2010, boy, we were building in the beginning of the year and then started to lose jobs again. and then we started to get the shaky job creation record at the end of 2010 and into 2011. look at august. there's supposed to be a bar, either a yellow one that said we created jobs or a red one that said we lost jobs. but there's nothing there because we had zero jobs created. ken rogoff former economist for the imf. what does this mean? have we stagnated? >> clearly we're stagnating. the employment numbers have been getting weaker and weaker for a while. it underscores that the recession never ended. we're not close on employment. we're still very much crawling our way out of the recession. and right now, nothing. >> gloria borger is our chief political analyst. gloria, we're going to get in a moment to find out about whether or not we are still in a recession or danger into getting into another one. but a cnn poll shows 37% of americans approve of how president obama is handling unemployment, or the employment situation. on thursday night, the president gives his jobs speech. politically, what could he possibly say to convince americans that his administration has some idea or answer to fixing this chronic, dire unemployment situation? >> well, he's got to go out there and tell the american people that he's got proposals to try and fix this unemployment problem. so you're probably going to hear some things from him that people will like such as payroll tax cut extension, tax credits for employers who hire new employees, those kinds of things that he believes that republicans will sign on to. the question is, how big is this package going to be because if it's too big, you know republicans will not go for it. so he's got a decision he's got to make. and he's got to get something passed. but he also has an election coming up, right? so he's got to say, i tried to get us in the right direction. and if they didn't follow me, they're pushing us in the wrong direction. >> so that's the political prescription. this is a managing director of the economic cycle of research institute. you predict these economic cycles and sometimes you say it's not about what government does, it is an economic cycle. let me ask you this, are we in a recession? >> no. the recession did end, i would respectfully disagree. the recession ended in the summer of '09. and since then, we've had cycles in the growth rate. so we've been growing. the economy's been growing. but we've had speed-ups and slowdowns. speed-up coming out of the recession. we had a slowdown in 2010. we're in a new slowdown now. every time you slow down, the risk of a new recession goes up, by definition, because you're going in the wrong direction. and here and now, i think we're skating on very thin ice. the chance of a new recession in front of us is quite high. but when you get into what could we do, what could have been done or what should we do now, i think there's a presumption that you can do something like you're saying, that we can do something and it will change the contours of the business cycle and it won't. >> you don't think so? >> it won't. in fact, prior to this recession, the '07 to '09 great recession, prior to that, we were already seeing a decades-long pattern of weaker and weaker expansions including jobs growth that was very, very evident, it had been happening since the mid '70s. the expectation that we should have a vigorous expansion completely flies in the face of it. >> mathematically it may make sense but not on the horizon. ken, we would love to think this is all about washington and that the president can say or do something. how much of this has to do with what's going on in the rest of the world? >> i think a lot of it has to do with what's going on in the rest of the world. there's also a lot of weakness in europe. but i think above all, we never exited what happened in 2007-2008. sure, a recession, as we thought of them after world war ii, ends when you start growing. but if you've gone way down and you're crawling back up, that's not the usual aftermath. we call this a great contraction is like saying you have a bad flu when you really have pneumonia. >> wow. take all this in, gloria. how do you put into a mix that the president does anything about? at this point, if i were the president, i'd regret that i had a spat with john boehner about scheduling this speech. maybe it should never have been scheduled in the first place. >> first of all, it's very difficult, if not impossible, for the president to go to the american people and say, you know what? there's not really anything i can do about this, right? he's got to make it seem, even if he can't in the real world -- fix this, he's got to make it seem that he's trying to fix this. so the question out there is, will he do the big plan or the little plan? i think what he's going to do is a jobs package, some kind of stimulus package, although that's become a dirty word, that can get passed through the congress. the republicans will have some things in it that they want that maybe he'll add in. and then in the long term what you're going to see is a larger effort from the president to really throw the longball on the question of deficit reduction, which is a separate issue. and he will talk about things like reforming the tax code and tax increases, letting the bush tax cuts expire for the wealthy, which he's already said he's going to do. so you're going to see sort of a two-pronged approach from the president. and if congress doesn't cooperate, he's going to run against a do-nothing congress. >> he'll put the do nothing ball into their camp. within the confines of washington, of the presidency, the white house, the administration and congress, what can they do that doesn't look like stimulus because either they are going to spend money or they're going to cut taxes? either of which qualify as stimulus. >> exactly. there's going to be a lot of semantics about what they're doing. but at the end of the day, if we go into a recession -- and we have a difference here, every recession is a contraction. if we go into a new recession, i don't think it's unlinked from your deficit and your debt debate because every new recession, you have a spike in the unemployment rate and a plunge in tax receipts and a big spike in expenditures automatically. so all this stuff is very closely tied to each other. but the policy challenge here is the odds of a new recession happening before we're ready are extremely high. >> the only problem we've got is that a brand-new cnn orc poll, i hate how accurate these things are, does say that 8 out of 10 americans think we're in a recession, which may, ken, speak more to the fact that we are in a remarkably bifurcated economy. there are some people in america for whom 2008 wasn't really a recession and this isn't. and there are some people who, as you say, have not recovered. this is more the sign of a developing economy than one as sophisticated and developed as the united states. >> that's for sure. i think most people are not feeling very good. they've seen their home price go down. even if they have a job, they're worried about their job. their pay is not going up very fast. hours aren't going up or they're going down. and there's a small percentage of americans who have still done very well. but i think for most people, this is a memorably rough time. >> i think we can agree on that. hang on a second, gloria. this is a good discussion, we need to try and square the circle to figure out how we take what we know and turn it into something that creates jobs. when it comes to how the president is handling the economy, americans are particularly tough graders right now. what a low mark in economics could mean for the president's chance at reelection. we'll talk about that when we come back. 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>> it's hard to give it better than a "d." that's because i'm holding off "f" in case it gets worse. this is the worst financial crisis, recession, contraction, whatever you want to call it, since the great depression. and we're not coming out of it quickly. there's a danger it could get even worse. we're in a very rough patch. >> i know you track this well and your company's been doing this for decades. here's what i hear from some people, that it may not be terrible. it is just long and slow to get out of this. how do you look at this economy? >> oh, i'm very worried right now because we are already slowing, as your graphic was showing, again this year. and every time you are in a slowdown, as we are, the risk of a new recession spikes and given the most recent data, we are on very, very thin ice, looking for the forward-looking indicators, they haven't looked up yet. in terms of grading this economy, i agree with the professor. it gets a very, very low grade. >> professor borger, i'm going to ask you next. there are only a few ways to feel prosperous in an economy, right? the value of your home is increasing, the value of your investments are increasing or your wage is increasing. i think you can live without a home. you can rent. you don't have to own one. you can get away for a while without investments. but you can't live without a wage. let's see what the american people are talking about, how they're rating the economy. they're rating the president, a cnn orc poll shows that only one-third approve of the way the president is handling the economy. two-thirds disapprove. even white house budget experts announced this week they are less optimistic about economic growth and job creation. they've said it will be 2017 before we get down to 5% unemployment which is where we were before the recession started. i hand this to you, professor borger. >> well, they're trying to lower expectations. i don't know how much lower the expectations can get. this is a terrible problem for the president, not only do people disapprove of the way the economy is going and the way he's handling it, but they are voters are pessimistic about whether things in the country are on the right track or the wrong track. that's not exactly the kind of environment you want to be heading into an election with. and there was a retreat of senior white house advisers organized by the white house chief of staff bill daley where they called in a historian and asked, has there been any precedents for a president winning re-election when the economy was lousy? and the answer was yes, it didn't happen often. fdr and ronald reagan both managed to do it. but in reagan's case, the unemployment rate was heading down. and right now in barack obama's case, it looks like it's stabilizing and could potentially head up. and that's a very, very difficult case for a president to make. what he's got to say is the other guys will make it even worse. and i don't know if that has resonance with voters. >> that's a good question. gloria, thank you for that evaluation. ken, great to see you as always. more the of these bald heads are tv the more you have to worry about. the pressure builds on president obama as he waits to deliver his long-awaited jobs plan in a speech on thursday. but at least one republican contender has a plan of his own, which is gaining some steam. we'll take a look when we come back. employers added no jobs in august, the problem is clear even to the most optimistic observers but what do you do about it? economist diane swonk likes to tell us if there were a silver bullet, someone would have fired it already. this thursday night, the president will lay out his plan to put millions of americans back to work. bob herbert is a distinguished senior fellow. bob, specifically, what would you like to hear from the president on thursday? >> the president needs a big program that will inspire the american people. if we're talking about creating millions of jobs, it means it would have to be an enormous infrastructure program. but i think even that would not be enough. we would need a direct government jobs proposal. this, i think, is necessary in the economy that we've got now. but i don't expect anything on that scale. >> i didn't ask you just to stay that to get under stephen moore's skin. but stephen moore is with us. an editorial writer with "the wall street journal. i couldn't have set you up better for that. you say you want the president to end job-killing regulations. i can imagine that you're not thinking of a massive stimulus infrastructure program as the answer you want to hear out of the president on thursday? >> no. in fact, it's interesting, what bob is saying and my sentiments really reflect the division right now between the two parties in washington where i think that the democrats and president obama will probably come up with something pretty big and in the direction of what bob wants. and it's also true, as bob said, that republicans are going to say "hell, no" to that. that our spending is out of control and harken back to what ronald reagan said back in 1981, which is that government isn't the solution, government is the problem. that's the big difference between the two parties. it may lead to gridlock. >> we are all desperate for a solution. and one republican presidential candidate, jon huntsman, is drawing some praise for the organization you work for, stephen, "the wall street journal," for his jobs plan. let me run it through here for our viewers. he says he wants to lower taxes on individuals and corporations, bringing corporate taxation down to 25%. he wants three tax categories, basically, three levels of taxation. he wants to eliminate a number of regulations including repealing president obama's health care reform plan, reducing environmental protection agency rules directed at energy companies. in fact, he specifically cited energy independence, shale gas as part of his plan, getting more oil from the oil sands in canada. he also wants to prioritize free trade. you guys over at "the wall street journal" like this plan. why are you endorsing it? >> the first question is, who the hell is jon huntsman? most people -- he's 1% at the polls. and some people say he's probably running in the wrong primary. a lot of my conservative friends think he's too liberal. but for the last three or four months on this show, we've talked about it over and over again. you ask me, what do we do to get out of this recession? next time i'm going to hand you that 12-page report. i think there are a lot of very good ideas in that 12-page report. the idea of cutting the tax rates, i love the idea of getting some of the regulations off business. just one little example that you mentioned, the shale gas revolution that's going on in this country. i was just in west virginia witnessing it firsthand. you want to talk about economic development in places like wheeling, west virginia, thousands of jobs being created without a penny of government money, let's nurture that industry. we could become the saudi arabia of natural gas. it's a really exciting thing and nobody is talking about it. >> when a reporter asked him about how he got support for all this, he didn't suggest this was the ultimate plan. he suggested this was an opening salvo -- i like candidates who can go in with the idea that things can change and evolve. bob, is there anything that republicans are offering right now, say, for jon huntsman, is there anything that they are offering in terms of job creation that can be worked into part of a viable solution? >> i don't think so. i look at the huntsman plan, for example. it seems to me very similar to the policies that we had under the george w. bush administration which got us into this terrible fix or was a big component of getting us into this terrible fix in the first place. but i don't think either party has anything that they've proposed that will get us out of this because i think they're missing the fundamental point. and that is that this economy does not appear to be capable anymore of creating enough jobs to put enough decent jobs, especially -- to put enough americans back to work to maintain a vast middle class standard of living. we need an interim jobs program to put some people to work and alleviate the suffering while we have a national conversation about what we need to do overall about the economy. >> when you say an interim jobs program, you mean a stimulus or something whereby the government puts unemployed workers back to work? >> yes. that would be primarily not to take care of the economic problem in care of the economic problem in the country but to bring relief to the millions of americans who are suffering as a result of joblessness or underemployment. >> i will give jon huntsman a big checkmark for putting something on the table to discuss. i think by next thursday we'll have one from president obama and expecting one from mitt romney as well. we'll have stuff to discuss. >> we said in our piece, maybe huntsman should give the republican response to the president's jobs program. it's an interesting sharp contrast. i agree with you. at least he's putting ideas on the table. >> bob, stay where you are. it's labor day weekend, labor, are unions still relevant? 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[ male ] using clean american fuel is just a pipe dream. ♪ [ female announcer ] we're rolling away misperceptions about energy independence. did you know that today about a quarter of all new transit buses use clean, american natural gas? we have more natural gas than saudi arabia has oil. so how come we're not using it even more? start a conversation about using more natural gas vehicles in your community. a majority of americans give labor unions credit for improving wages and conditions for workers, according to a new harris poll. but they also question whether members get their money's worth for the dues they pay and think that labor unions are too involved in politics. take a look at that. richard trumki is the president of the aflcio and a member of president obama's council on jobs and competitiveness. >> thanks for being here. some people say the success in getting what unions wanted for their members ended up hurting america's competitiveness because we got unions manufacturing workers high wages and great benefits and ended up up not being as competitive with outsourcing that work overseas. what's your response to that? >> that's ridiculous. it was the labor movements that built the middle class and it was the middle class that made america great. we were very, very competitive and we spread the wealth around to everybody so that the main driver of our economy, consumer spending, people have money in their pockets to spend. we help create jobs and come to the table to create quality products. we train our members. next year we'll train 40,000 new members and retrain 100,000 members in the green economy to make them for competitive. >> maybe that's the issue, though, that you did all of those things -- unions did all those things at a time when we didn't have protections for workers in a lot of other areas. now it seems to be -- we seem to simplify this in saying, we can manufacture a widget overseas cheaper than we can in the united states. despite the fact our workers have better conditions and better standards of living. it is a charge we have to figure out a way to answer. >> germany's answered that. they have a high-wage economy. they continue to produce things that they can export around the world. what we've done here is we've given up in many instances. we have bad trade laws, we have tax laws that reward people for moving jobs overseas. if we'd focus on manufacturing here and all of us coming together, labor, government and business and business and labor all working together, we can compete with anybody in the world because if you don't compete, if you don't manufacture things, ali, you can't compete in the global economy. remember, where the manufacturing goes, so does the research and development. all the new cutting-edge products will be moved overseas rather than here because they haven't focused on manufacturing. >> ultimately and we've seen that happen. what is it we're likely to manufacture here in the united states that can be made into products that can be sold competitively around the world? >> we can make anything here. we can compete against anybody in the world if you give us a level playing field. stop china from manipulating its currency. stop them from not complying with their child labor laws. we're more than competitive. >> if you did that with china, you somehow figured a way to get their currency to float and you got them to deal with child labor laws and issues like that, ult matly there are going to be places in the world by virtue of their time and development that can still do things cheaper than america. america may not be able to assemble and build an iphone as inexpensively as it can be done in asia, even with rules. >> that's true. if we have a comparative advantage, they ought to be able to get it. but they shouldn't be able to get the work because they manipulate their currency and cheat on all the rules. and we shouldn't reward them for moving jobs overseas, giving them tax breaks for doing it. there are things we can compete in around the world in manufacturing. we could put a lot of people back to work and be the leader again if we decide to do. we haven't decided to do it right now because the lobby that you're dealing with -- and you actually portended or told your listeners that we're competing against china. you really aren't. you're competing against the same companies and in china. >> i hear you. in this economy with this jobs situation, which is very important to you as a labor leader, it's hard to convince people that in the short term, insisting on tougher trade deals and insisting on those places that manufacture the goods we by having higher standards, will end up costing us more for many of the goods we buy, electronics, clothes, all the things we import. >> ali, 78% of american people agree with me. they think the trade laws we have have been bad and we really should change them. >> but it will increase costs. i'm not disagreeing with you. >> it doesn't have to increase cost. that's nonsense. it doesn't have to increase costs. we can compete with people. if they have a comparative advantage, they ought to be able to send products here that will help us. but if they're sending products here at a cheaper rate because they're cheating, it isn't cheaper. it lays americans off. taxpayers have to pay for the people that are laid off. we have to provide benefits for them. it's not cheaper. it's far more expensive. it's cheaper to have an economy that really is humming, producing things and sends products overseas, not jobs. >> so normally when i get a good discussion like this, i say to somebody, if you have the ear of the president. but you do have the ear of the president. your part of the president's council on jobs and competitiveness. has anything happened with that council? >> not nearly enough. i think it needs to be for assertive. it needs to take positions on what needs to be done rather than what they think can be done. i think it needs to do more. yesterday we had a very productive session in dallas, texas, on infrastructure where everybody came together, where business, labor and government all said, infrastructure has to be done, it has to be done at a big scale to make us competitive. and even though everybody agrees, nothing seems to be getting done because of the radical political games that are being played in the house of representatives right now by the republicans. >> what's your answer? what do you think president obama can do next thursday that will have the greatest effect on creating jobs in america? >> several things. large-scale reauthorization of the surface transportation act. that's been a bipartisan issue for 40 years. all of a sudden, the republicans want to cut 30% from the baseline that everybody knows is already half of what it should be. the faa reauthorize it, clean water act, reauthorize it. send some aid to state and local governments so they don't continue to lay off people and we can actually bring things together. target communities with high levels of unemployment with work. that would be the african-american communities, the latino communities and communities around the country where the level of unemployment is real high. and we have to increase the amount -- or to help fill the hole in consumer demand. we have to continue to extend unemployment benefits so that 3 million workers don't stop spending and drag the economy down into the ground. the last thing i would say is we have to regulate wall street to prevent them from going back to the things they did before that brought this economy down to begin with. >> richard, good to have you on the show. thanks for joining us. >> thanks, ali. stephen moore, bob herbert, let's start with you, bob. unions, labor day, are unions still relevant? >> unions are more important and more needed than ever right now. i just believe in the fundamental right that workers have a right to be represented in the workplace to fight for the issues that are important to them and to give them some leverage when they're confronting their employers. >> what do you think, stephen? >> i'm interested in this idea of fundamental right because i agree with that. every worker should have the fundamental right to join a union. but every worker should also have a fundamental right not to join a union, not to associate with a union. we have half the states in this country that have forced unionism. that's not fair. i agreed with a lot of what richard said. if you cut me, i bleed red, white and blue. i don't want to see jobs sent overseas. we have to do something about competitiveness. i agree with him on tax system. let's compare china with the united states. china has about a 20% corporate tax rate. we're at 35%. that means every american company starts with a 15 percentage point disadvantage. it's not surprising we're outsourcing jobs. >> there's something odd in this world where stephen and richard are coming together. >> a little bit. >> listen, we have a lot of work to do, that much we can agree on. bob, good to see you. and stephen moore. when we come back, we'll tell you the single best way to insulate yourself against unemployment. or the accolades. s no, it was good because you told us so. the chevy model year wrap up. get in on our greatest model year yet. just announced -- celebrate labor day with an additional $500 bonus cash. with all other offers, including the all-star edition discount, that's a total value of $6,500. ♪ our greatest model year yet is wrapping up. welcome back to "your money." joining me now is christine romans, the host of cnn's "your a lot of people say education is expensive. is it really worth it. there are so many people out there who are unemployed who even have ph.d.s. i brought in the big guns because i need to stamp that argument down. the best insulator against unemployment is a good education, why, christine? >> if you have an education, your unemployment rate is half what the rest of the world is. if you have an average unemployment rate, rate, the unemployment rate for someone with a bachelor's degree is 4.3%. last year's full numbers, somebody with a professional degree or ph.d. their unemployment rate is 1.9%. think of that. when you look at the earnings of these people, too, last year, for example, somebody with a bachelor's degree, their earnings, $1,038 a week. how does that compare with someone with no degree? you can see, you're talking about 40%, 50% increase -- >> professional degree gets you almost four times -- three times -- more than three times what not having a high school diploma gets you. >> it is right to be concerned about college debt. how many times have you heard me talk about this? tuition inflation, that tuition bubble that hasn't popped, but if you're making $400 more a week because you have a bachelor's degree -- >> over the course of your working life, you're going to more than pay for it. why do we have people with professional degrees, engineering degrees, nursing degrees, accounting degrees that don't have work? >> but things have changed in this new world where we have technology and we have access to being educated on almost every single issue you can imagine and being educated formally and getting an online degree. i'm proof with an eighth-grade education, you can do pretty well. >> you stopped thinking in eighth grade? >> i kept reading and being distracted by shiny things and attractive women. but the bottom line is the data is correct. it tells the truth. but there's other ways around this. informal ways. so don't give up. >> yesterday. >> you often make the point that you have seen some studies which indicate there are a lot of state schools where your rates are lower, where the placement rates and the success rates and the salaries are as high as they are at some private -- >> and "smart money" just put you don't a date that showing the best return on your investment is a public college i had indication. you might earn a little bit more, but you're going to pay a little bit more. >> i got a football scholarship to the university of phoenix online. but i don't want to brag. >> one other statistic that's important for me to talk about here. the difference between 9.1% unemployment rate and a bachelor's degree at 4.3% unemployment rate. the black unemployment rate this month, 16.7%, the highest it's been since july 1984. >> and the male unemployment rate is higher than the female unemployment rate. if you're a black male in this country, your chances of being unemployed are incredibly higher. >> you have to go back to reagan. the statement i will make, in this economy, it's really working for some people. it's really not working for other people. >> the other argument, not to discount the fact that there are good trades out there that are quite lucrative these days. and the fact that some people still can get by in this economy quite well on the strength of a liberal arts degree or an associate's degree and in some cases on no degree at all. we're just saying statistically it changes your game. zblu mentioned one thing very important. you mentioned trades. we could invest if government would get together for infrastructure. i'm guessing a lot of those jobs would be held by people that have high school degrees, welders, pipefitters, you name it. >> agreed. >> but you have to have a plan. great to see both of you. thanks so much. watch christine romans on "your bottom line." next, are you brave enough to get in the car with me? 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what is your sense of this car? >> it's an okay car. >> right. >> it looks cute. it's fun to drive but would i want to live with it on a day-to-day basis? >> is this a big part of the comeback strategy for chrysler? and is it going to work? >> i think it will bring a young demographic in. i think it will bring somebody that wasn't looking at a chrysler to actually come into a chrysler showroom. from that point of view, it is going to be a little bit of a halo car, will bring a different consumer in to chrysler. >> bouncing a little bit on this road. this doesn't score as well as something else in this price category, other cars in this category. do you think it is likely to improve or this is the car they're offering? >> no, a lot of the factors that make it score poorly is the rear seat room, the ride that isn't particularly good and also, you know, the overall fuel economy is not brilliant for its size. >> right. what kind of mileage does this get? >> this gets 34 to the gallon. >> okay. >> which, it's okay. >> what is your evaluation of this from a safety perspective? >> it comes with all the safety features, side air bags, front air bags, electronic stability control. it does well in crash tests we have seen so far. this is a relatively small car and a bigger, heavier car will impact more of its energy into a smaller car. so i would have certain concerns about the overall safety. >> for the price you can pay for this car, what are you competing against? >> the 500 is pretty highly priced. $18,000. you can buy an awful lot more. you can look at the other sort of budget cars which are in this area, such as the honda fit, the mini, hyundai accent and ford fiesta. >> your overall view of this car? >> it's a cute little car. it might be difficult to live with. it is like a pair of high heels. you look good in them, they're cute, but a bit uncomfortable and you wouldn't want to live in those for a day-to-day basis. >> dave, thanks very much. >> thanks, ali. >> a little fun. back to business. if congress and the president insist on waiting until the last minute to accomplish anything, then i say it's time to set a jobs deadline. my xyz is next. there's a big reason to lower your high cholesterol... dangerous plaque that can build up in arteries over time... high cholesterol is a major factor. but these other health factors can also contribute to plaque buildup. so if you have high cholesterol and any of these other health factors... it's even more important to get your cholesterol where your doctor wants. talk to your doctor about crestor. when diet and exercise alone aren't enough... adding crestor can lower bad cholesterol by up to 52%. and crestor is proven to slow plaque buildup in arteries. crestor is not right for everyone, like people with liver disease... or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. simple blood tests will check for liver problems. tell your doctor about other medicines you're taking... or if you have muscle pain or weakness. that could be a sign of serious side effects. ask your doctor about high cholesterol... plaque buildup... and if crestor is right for you. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. time now for the xyz of it. news that the u.s. economy created no jobs in august has driven home a point that most of you already know. we're stagnating. we're at risk of another recession and the jobs crisis in this country is bigger, more serious, and more authentic than the debt crisis ever was. as you listen to me, president obama and his team are readying what so many hope will be an assault on this seemingly stubborn unmoveable economy. i'm addressing this week's xyz directly to the president and the hopes that he is still open to some ideas. first, mr. president, put your ideas in. we already know there is a contingent out there that will stand in the way of anything you try to do. i'm beginning to believe cynics that believe there are some that would prefer the economy not recover. but like those who stood in the way of the debt ceiling increase, they're playing with fire, with the livelihoods of tens of millions of out of work americans and with the shapes and contours of the american dream for decades to come. congress has not led on jobs, they have ignored them. this situation is now desperate. the weakened patient that is the u.s. economy cannot withstand another blow. what you need to do will fly in the face of those who think government is the problem. sure, your opponents will embrace the tax incentives that create jobs that you're likely to announce but we need to go bigger, finding ways to put the unemployed to work now and ways to really retrain millions of americans who are trained for the wrong jobs for the future. manufacturing in america will not return to its heyday, recordless of how many more trade agreements we sign. ultimately business does need t create jobs. until they do, we need to extend the safety net for the millions of long-term unemployed in this country, the 99ers that neither you nor republicans adequately acknowledge. we need to retrain workers for the long-term and protect them in the short term and finally, go big, mr. president. there are those calling for you to do nothing at all or better yet to undo the very policies which are seen to be interfering with business doing what it does best. just cite economics 101. demand drives business in hiring. americans are not spending money because they're frightened about their economic prospects. at your best moments, when we were in the depths of the great recession, you articulated a vision of a strong and vibrant america. that vision seems distant to some americans as their personal situations mirror those of people who live in far less developed nations than the united states. go into that store of inspiration that you have and tell america how it can be great