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Officials are calling the leaflets containing disturbing news to jews. Were live on four continents covering all of this news. Very disturbing. This is the type of ethnic hatred and tension that many were afraid were break out. Theyve been stirred up for political gain but proving difficult to control, clearly empowering extremists on the ground and now its exploding into the open. On a single sheet of paper, a frightening threat to jews. This leaflet turning up in donetsk, orders jews to register with the prorussian government. Secretary kerry attended meetings and expressed his disgust. After all of the miles traveled and the journey of history, this is not just intolerable, its grotesque. Its beyond unacceptable. Reporter news of the leaflets calls for russia to deescalate calling for protesters to leave and the government to grant them amnesty. President obama warned, however, that words must be matched with followthrough by russia and supporters inside the borders of ukraine. We have put in place additional consequences that we can impose on the russians if we do not see actual improvement of the situation on the ground and we have to be prepared to potentially is potentially respond to what are efforts of interference by the russians in eastern and southern ukraine. Reporter so far, that progress is nowhere to be found. Three people were killed as Ukrainian Forces attempted to retake one city and today russian president Vladimir Putin claimed the right to send Russian Forces inside ukraine if he decides. Translator i can remind you that Russians Federation council granted the right to use armed forces. I hope i dont have to use that right. Reporter secretary kerry announced nonlethal response to ukraine and conceded that russians actions could be part of a broader strategy, to reclaim former soviet territory for russia. I think we have to be alert to all possibilities. The actions of the russians over the last two months is not only irresponsible and violates sovereignty of a sovereign nation, but its dangerously irresponsible. The president laid out some details of this agreement in geneva, this potential as he called it diplomatic path and includes assurances that ethnic russians in ukraine will have full protection of the law and said that ukrainian officials went out of their way to assure their counterparts of that but there are no guarantees, wolf, that russia this time will deliver on those promises. In fact, a number of times at his press conference he said he has his doubts and has to see actions along with the words. Potentially very explosive despite maybe a bit of calming but a very dangerous situation. Stand by for a moment. I want to go to Eastern Ukraine where the antisemitic flyers were handed out. Nick paton walsh is on the ground for us. Give us a perspective of what youve been seeing, particularly from the Jewish Community. Reporter this is a limited instance, from what were hearing. The chief rabbi is saying that he is not aware of it happening other than this one time. Some jews came out of the synagogue during passover and the rabbi believes it is provocation. He doesnt blame the prorussians. He said thats not even my handwriting on that document. Its clearly fake designed to provoke hatred here. I have to point out, weve heard a lot of claims and counterclaims putting pressure against ethnic russians and speakers here alleged by the pro ukrainian elements here, even homophobia and we dont hear much about antisemitism when there are so many tensions here and its quite a volatile situation here. Stay with the u. S. Ambassador to ukraine as well sounding an alarm. As far as the diplomacy is concerned, nick, the gentleman neef ye geneva talks, has that changed anything so far . Not really, no. I spoke to dennis himself, selfdeclared leader of these protesters and he wasnt really listening to geneva. He wasnt aware of the joint statement that they put out. If youre prokiev, if youre prorussian that could refer to people in kiev still. Any side could misininterpret this at any time. Were also hearing social media traffic chatter around this region, potential for casualties and nothing has changed on the ground since that piece of paper came out. Wolf . Nick paton walsh, thank you. Well talk about this with our chief national correspondent. Now a senior fellow at the ucla center. Joining us from little rock. Julia, first to you about that pamphlet that was distributed. We dont know how. At the synagogue. That one synagogue in donetsk during passover. Living on territories of donetsk peoples republic have to register. In case of noncompliance, the following will lose privileges of citizenship and will be deported. Now, that sounds like a nazi kind of statement. What are you hearing about this . What im hearing, this was circulating in the russian language and ukrainian language internet for the last few days and it sounds like a few guys went to kinko and were distributing it. Some people are connecting it to the prokiev forces in other parts of the region because the russian government has been accusing of har aboring neonaz and its got a lot of that historically. This seems like an attempt to smear the other side as having those kinds of ties as well. But still the secretary of state, u. S. Ambassador to ukraine, they made a big deal of this today. Im sorry to interrupt. But the u. S. Ambassador to ukraine said we dont know what the origins are its alarming. But we dont know what the origin is. It is hard and as Nick Paton Walsh said on the ground there, he talked to people and various officials on the ground and they deny being involved but what it shows is you have a lot of different sides trying to stoke these tensions and take advantage of casting aspertions and that is very substantive. Youve created these problems and its very easy to carry that to ethnic and religious divisions. You saw it happening in crimea as well. There was a lot of graffiti popping up. What youre seeing is that the government in kiev is very weak. They havent done anything to take control of the buildings and this is the stuff that they are resorting to. They are showing these guys talking and get instructions let me bring general clark into this discussion. General clark, you have a lot of history in europe, the supreme allied commander over there. When the president of the United States says as he did in the last hour or so, there are no military options in dealing with this cry cities, what say you . I think hes right. Were not going to send a delegation of u. S. Forces there but, wolf , i was in ukraine a few weeks ago. And honestly, the stronger their capacity to resist, the greater the likelihood that russia will fall back on diplomacy in an effort to salvage something out of this as opposed to launching its military. So what i was presented with when i was in ukraine was the russian plan which was taken from russian fours forces and shown to be from the interim government and captured 12 russian teams which were released in order to be nonprovocative to the russians. The minister of defense told me that he had called his russian counterparts during the crimea crisis and asked them, please do not use violence on our troops. Well just pull them out. The Ukrainian Government had received a lot of initial guidance that it shouldnt provoke and so it attempted to follow that guidance. But what i saw in the people that i spoke to was a tremendous determination to resist what they see as a clear russian strategy to take over ukraine. Now, whether its crimea, Eastern Ukraine, southern ukraine, or all of ukraine, remains to be did i bathed. At one point, the ukrainian generals were called by former colleagues who are now in other forces, russian and gave complete rundowns on the russians plans. So thats a lot going on over there that is not being reported in the american media. I think the administrations policy is a smart policy. We want to drive this thing towards a diplomatic resolution but this is not just finger pointing on the ground and both sides are not equal. Let me bring julia back in. Julia, putin had this lengthy televised q a that we all got reports of. What is going through his mind right now . Is he really frightened by the prospect of tougher u. S. Led sanctions . I doubt it. Whatever sanctions there are going to be, it seems that hes made the calculation that so far this is a cause that is he willing to bear in order to expand russia, to expand russian influence and project a force of russia that were not somebody to be meddled with or taunted. What about the billionaires who are being sanctioned by the west right now . They are going to lose some money. You overestimate their independents. Ever since the arrest in 2003 of the oil tyke tycoon, they have been hostage to putin. Often they are called in the service of the state and putin says, hey, build this for me or donate x amount of money to this. Is the administration right when it says its not going to send lethal military equipment like weapons to ukraine . Absolutely. The ukrainians dont need lethal military equipment. They need the diplomatic support that the United States is providing and that ukraines neighbors should provide along with their own determined resistance. I think if russia were deciding to come in, it would be a tough fight and thats the element of deterrence that is needed to drive a diplomatic resolution. General clark, thanks very much. Julia, thanks to you. Jim will be back later. President obama spoke out about ukraine a little while ago during a white house news conference. He also released new numbers as far as obamacare is concerned and declared the debate over the Affordable Care act is now over. Lets go to our White House Correspondent michelle kosinski. Shes got details. Tell our viewers what the president president s message was. Reporter wolf, thats how we started this. 8 million americans are signed up and 35 of them are under age 35. Thats important because the Budget Office says that 40 of the people within the system need to be young for it to function financially. And, yes, the president did get into the politics hitting out at critics who continue to call for a repeal saying that this is working and the debate now should be constructive. This does frustrate me. States that have chosen not to expand medicaid for no other reason than political spite. At no cost to these states. Zero cost to these states other than ideological reasons they have chosen not to provide Health Insurance for their citizens. Thats wrong. Those folks should be able to get Health Insurance like everybody else. And what we still have not heard from the administration is how many of those signing up are previously not signing up but not just signing up but paying their premiums, wolf. Michelle kosinski, thanks. Up next, a rising death toll, hundreds of people still missing, some possibly trapped inside a capsized ferry. Were going live to south korea and live to perth. What is the new data emerging from the deepwater searches . Thats a man interviewino. For a job. 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Off the coast of south korea, the death toll has riz risen to 25 and mostly students are still missing. Kyung lah is joining us from jindo, south korea, where survivors are trying to recover. What is the latest that you are hearing . Reporter the latest that we are hearing is that this rescue is very much being treated as a rescue. They are operating under the belief that survivors are still aboard this capsized vessel, which is about 12 miles away from where im standing. You cant see it from where i am. There is this growing rage among the families that the captain somehow survived while hundreds of passengers were sinking on this ferry. Images captured by the rescue team at the site of the sinking ferry, passengers desperately clinging to the rails so they dont fall off the boat. Both the ships captain and operator speaking for the first time. The captain and his head and face covered broke down in tears as reporters asked him if he had anything to say. Translator i am sorry. I am at a loss for words. Reporter but he offered no explanation as to what caused the ferry to collapse. Translator we deeply apologize to the families and im saying once again, we are really sorry. Our company will promise that we will do our best not to lose any more lives. Were sorry. Reporter the ships operator president admitting that they failed the passengers. Translator executives and employees have committed a grave sin. Reporter the apologies offered little comfort to families on the shore, many of them clutching their cell phones hoping for a text from the missing loved ones, many of whom are High School Students. The south korean president got an earful from families, worried about the clock running out before hearing from their loved ones who may be gasping for oxygen. She promised to provide more rescue operations. Rescuers are at the mercy of the elements. Its drizzling creating poor visibility. Water currents are powerful, making for dangerous operations, even more frustration for families. Translator the civilian team went out there but the tides made it too dangerous so they came back. Then the government says its too dangerous for them, too. Shouldnt i be angry about that . Please rescue our families and our children. Reporter you can see how angry that father was. What youre being looki looking at is the search area 12 miles away, you can see these are the family members raising their fists in anger. Their grief and frustration becoming angry they are angry about the captain. There are a lot of questions about why this ship capsized and they feel that there needs to be more done to try to save their children. Wolf . So far, no answer as far as why it capsized. Is that right . Reporter thats right. No answer. They are looking at whether or not the ship suddenly deviated off course, that that may be a high probability according to the Maritime Police as to why it capsized. Theres been no clear answer about why the ship went under water. Kyung lah on the scene for us, what a heartbreaking story that is. Up next, well go live to australia for the search of missing flight 370. Were getting new information. And were also getting a look at the cuttingedge technology being used in this plane search capable of capturing images like these. Hey. Im ted and this is rudy. Say hi rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] id do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. Thats why im so excited about these new milkbone brushing chews. Whoa, im not the only one. Its a brilliant new way to take care of his teeth. Clinically proven as effective as brushing. Ok, here you go. Have you ever seen a dog brush his own teeth . The twist and nub design cleans all the way down to the gum line, even reaching the back teeth. They taste like a treat, but they clean like a toothbrush. Nothing says you care like a milkbone brushing chew. [ barks ] you really love, what would you do . 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Now, more leads may have been discounted, more dives may have turned up empty handed but officials here in australia so far are saying that they are confident that they are looking in the right place. The bluefin21s operator tells cnn, three dives to the depths of the indian ocean have not turned up any trace of Malaysian Airlines flight 370. The fourth dive is now complete. Adding to searchers frustrations, preliminary analysis of samples from an oil slick discovered on sunday failed to show Aircraft Engine Oil or hydraulic fluid. Another possible clue scratched off the list. For now, the bluefin21 remains the searchers best hope. Acting transportation minister revealed a bit of what it has discovered. Visuals that we have managed to get from the bluefin21 were very clear. Not in finding what we were looking for but what the seabed looks like and that gives us a bit of relief as the next few days we are going to intensify the deepwater search. Reporter another bit of hopeful news, the operators found a way around and cut short to its earlier missions. Its only a small and acceptable risk to the depth of the ocean floor. Even though its deeper than the subs 2. 8 mile limit. As for the cost of a prolonged underwater search, its in the ballpark of 250 million. Even though the aerial heart is supposed to wind down soon, the search area may expand again if operations on the ocean floor dont pan out. The australians say searchers may go back to looking at the arc taken in by the partial digital handshake. A strip of ocean at least 370 miles long and 30 miles wide. No one is talking about giving up. The search will always continue. Its just a matter of approach. Reporter australian Prime Minister tony abbott saying that they will have exhausted their best leads within the week if still no wreckage found, they will need to rethink their approach. Wolf . Erin mclaughlin in perth for us, thank you. So even though the underwater search seems to be making some progress, are they in fact being looking in the right areas . Joining us in the situation room, our aviation expert peter goelz and tom fuentes. Peter, they are completing four searches already. So far we havent been told they got clear pictures but they havent spotted any wreckage. Are you surprised . Not at all. I think this was always going to take weeks. Its a pretty big area even though its been narrowed down. I think were at the very initial stages of it. Andy, youve been speaking to your sources. Do investigators believe are they convinced they are looking in the right area . I definitely think so. My colleagues and i have done a story which basically says that this is their best estimate, of course, after weeks and weeks of analysis and its based on some really cuttingedge science. Its based on the analysis that they had and sort of relooked at again and again and again and there is a bit of luck at the end. The reason they are so convinced that this is the right area is because for two weeks ago they managed to come up with an arcane, unusual, and quite intriguing technique and that is they were being looking at the differences in frequency of the signals between the satellite and the plane as viewers had heard about called the doppler event but they really added one more angle to it and that is, they looked at the temperature of the satellite and the temperature of the signaling equipment on board the jet and they were actually able to use these very sensitive temperature variations to look at the differences in the returns, the way signatures that they received and look at several other hundred aircraft that flew using the same system and thats why they are so convinced that with the latest analysis, they are very close to where they need to be. Tom, i raised the question if they are convinced they are even looking in the right place because the malaysian transportation minister, he had some intriguing comments today suggesting, you know what, they may have to, in his words, regroup. Let me replay the clip of what he had to say. There will come a time when we may need to regroup and reconsidering but in any event the search will always continue. Its just a matter of approach. Because when he says that, they may have to regroup and reconsidering, if they come up empty handed with all of the bluefin21 searches, what should they do . He shouldnt even be saying that at this point. They are at the early phase. All of the experts have told them this is going to take a while. They need to dial down the emotion and rhetoric and just do their job and search. They are obviously trying their best right now, peter, but are you 100 convinced that they are looking in the right area . And i asked the question because, as you know, this is the socalled black box, even though its orange, the flight data recorder. This is the ping. Its supposed to emit them every second at 37. 5 megahertz. But the actual megahertz that were heard was 32. 2. Some are wondering if its really from the black box. They have applaud the investigators from the ntsb, really cutting edge work on this. This is their best estimate. Are there some assumptions built in, they are. But they are going to give the bluefin some six or eight weeks to conduct the search and i think they are going to be successful. Andy, youve done some reporting on this plane that presumably it was on autopilot when it disappeared and went into the indian ocean . Tell us precisely what youre hearing. Reporter martin dolan, the head of the australian Investigation Bureau told one of my colleagues that in fact they believe the plane may have been on autopilot and actually may have been headed for perth but this was talked about in a general way. They havent been able to confirm this. Its another theory that they are trying to work on. But to get back to your main question, wolf, the important point to remember is the australian, the head of the australian Investigative Agency calls this the sweet spot of the investigation and angus houston, the head of the search Coordination Committee said the data weve got is the data weve got. So i think what were seeing here is the culmination of weeks and weeks of tweaking and analyzing and refining the data. The upside is that if they are right, they will be in the right place. They are close to the right place and they will find it in a couple of weeks or maybe longer. The downside is if their analysis is not correct, then i think were being looking for a much longer search because they really have given this their best shot. There is not much more analysis and further refinement of the date tarks either from the satellite or from the fuel consumption of the aircraft or from the speed of the aircraft or from the radar data available. Andy pasztor, thanks so much, also peter goelz and tom fuentes, thank you. This images are being used in the search for flight 370. This is for real this time. Step seven point two one two. Verify and lock. Command is locked. Five seconds. Three, two, one. Standing by for capture. The most Innovative Software on the planet. Dragon is captured. Is connecting todays leading companies to places beyond it. Siemens. Answers. Frequent heartburn . The choice is yours. Chalky. Not chalky. Temporary. 24 hour. Lots of tablets. One pill. You decide. Prevacid. 24 hour without standard leather. 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One expert we have consulted, rob mccallum, an ocean search specialist, believes that figure is way too high. He says in the area that dolan is talking about, even with two towed locators working, he thinks the price tags much closer to 15 million, wolf. So youve got projections on the far end of the spectrum but when all is said and done, its very hard to project these figures. And the u. S. Navy is projecting what it might cost the u. S. Navy. Thats right. It has budgeted 3. 6 million just for its portion of this particular phase of the operation. And that covers the deployment of the bluefin21, the towed pinger locator on board the ocean shield, it covers the cost for ten operators which some of them are with Phoenix International and plus transportation to and from the region. Again, thats just the u. S. Portion of this. That doesnt include the australian portion which is going to run into the millions. Lets not forget, one boeing 777 costs 200 or 250 million. And the towed pinger locator, 3. 5 million just to buy that. One locator. Brian, thanks very much. Lets get more insight now on deepwater searches. Joining me now, colleen keller, with metron, a defense contractor who helped search for air france that went down in 2009 and gene raltson, an expert on the bluefin21 being used right now. Colleen, even if the first four searchers by the bluefin21 emerge with Nothing Specific to show, no wreckage, its still potentially beneficial as far as the overall search is concerned. Explain why. Well, wolf, its what weve been calling negative information. When you search an area and you dont find something, youve learned something about that area and about the search area as a whole. You move on to new search areas but you always keep in your back pocket that you looked in that first place and didnt find anything, which increases the probability that you will find the target in the remained to be search areas. Its good to keep marking these things off. The key thing here is that you want to be spending your time in the highest probability areas. Theyve got several different locations where they have detected pings from the beacons, supposedly, and so they should have some idea of what is the best area to put this thing in and its not clear, kind of looks like they are starting in one area and working their way across this area. I would hope that they are trying to focus in the highest payoff areas first because time is money and this thing is accumulating costs rapidly. Certainly is. Gene, you were nice enough to send up some images and im going to show our viewers the images from the side scanning sonar. The first one is a boat that was seen, a boat about 100 feet at the bottom of the lake. Thats a pretty precise image that the sonar will show. The second one, a couple of cars found down about 30 feet under water. There you can see them right there. The third one was the f18 that was found in the Columbia River about 40 feet under the water. Will that side scanning sonar be as precise as the images that we have just seen . Yes, it will, wolf. The images depend upon the nature of the bottom, how much clutter there is that will hide the images. The bluefin21 is programmed to fly at a certain altitude above the bottom and it will create as good of images if not better than what you are seeing there. Are they using, gene, the best Technology Available right now in trying to find wreckage from this airliner . I believe they are. And the only thing that i would think would be somewhat better would be to have four, five, or six if they could afford them of the bluefin21s or other autonomous underwater vehicles so they can search the targeted area much quicker. Only having one or two units makes it much more time consuming. Colleen, once they bring up the bluefin21, it takes about four hours to review. Walk us through what they do to see if they have spotted something. Well, i would actually like to defer to gene because youre talking about image interpretation and often these images dont look like a photograph. And thats thats the key thing to understand. Youre looking at returns of sound that is bouncing off the object and coming back and there are big shadows behind the object where the sound doesnt go and there could be those shadows could be hiding something. So what you have to do is you have to pick out something that looks manmade among natural objects and thats more art than science sometimes. Is it that difficult, gene . It is, depending on the nature of the bottom, as i discussed before. If its a hard, rocky bottom, things will tend to blend in as far as the deflected image. However, the shadows should still be there. There should be greater shadow detail on the bottom of the ocean there depending on any natural rockoutcrops or that type of thing that may be the same type of pieces of the aircraft. Gene, i have to cut you off because were out of time. Thank you for joining us. Gene ralston, colleen keller, helping us understand what is going on beneath the waters of the indian ocean. Up next, a massive terrorist meeting shining a spotlight on al qaeda and a major terror trial now getting under way in new york. Norfolk southern whats your function . Hooking up the country helping business run build were investing big to keep our country in the lead. Load we keep moving to deliver what you need. And that means growth, lots of cargo going all around the globe. Cars and parts, fuel and steel, peas and rice, hey thats nice Norfolk Southern whats your function . Helping this big country move ahead as one Norfolk Southern hows that function . Frequent heartburn . The choice is yours. Chalky. Not chalky. 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The collapse of the two towers, nothing but a demolition. Reporter and his trial in new york may prove to be explosive. Nicknamed the hook, he once led londons thinsberry moss, preaching to the likes of fail shoe bomber richard reid and convicted 9 11 terrorist, zacarias moussaoui. At the time, he was referred to half joking as londonistan. And its hard to forget him. He looks like a james bond villain with a hook in the place of a hand. Reporter when the mosque became more moderate, al masri was kicked out, taking his sermons to the streets. Given that he had literally given parts of his body to the holy war, and for the younger man that sort of flocked to his sermons, he have the real deal. Reporter the real deal now charged with eleven counts of terrorism, some before 9 11. Among them, a 1998 conspiracy to kidnap u. S. Tourists in yemen. 16 were taken hostage and later used as human shields during the rescue. Four were killed. Mary quinn, an adventure traveler and former xerox executive, told cnn how she escaped. We were pulling at the gun and each screaming at the other, and then i just first tried to kick him and then i put my foot down on his head and it gave me enough leverage to get the gun out of his arms and make a run for it. Reporter Court Documents say during the incident, al masri talked to the kidnappers on a Satellite Phone he gave them. Quinn later wrote a book about the kidnapping. In it, she describes how she confronted the cleric in london, allegedly getting him to admit his role in the attack. If she is, indeed, a witness, shell be a very effective one. Al masri has pleaded not guilty and may himself end up on the witness stand. He says he wants to testify in his own defense. They might also welcome the opportunity to crossexamine him, because theres obviously a lot of material out there to impeach him and impeach his credibility and paint him to be exactly what they say he is. Reporter and he wanted to give the opening statement. The judge said no. He is expected to testify in his own defense. His lawyer acknowledging that today. Also on the stand, a man, a former colleague of the failed shoe bomber, richard reid. Wolf . Deborah feyerick, thanks very much. Well take a quick break. Much more news, coming up. [ male announcer ] when fixed income experts. Work with equity experts. Who work with regional experts. Thats when expertise happens. Mfs. Because there is no expertise without collaboration. Mfs. [ female announcer ] the sun powers life. And now it powers our latest innovation. Introducing the worlds only solarpowered home energy system, which can cut your heating and cooling bills in half. Call now to get up to 1,700 dollars back or special financing on select lennox home comfort systems. Offer ends june 13th. Plus download our free lennox mobile app with an energysavings calculator. 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Youre in the situation room. This hour, the window is open to launch the fifth underwater search for flight 370. Even as planes prepare to take off to scan the oceans surface once again. Were learning new information about data downloaded by the blue fin 21 drone and a potentially critical piece of evidence thats been ruled out. Well go live to the staging area for the search in perth, australia. Cnns Michael Holmes is there. And we always have a team of experts here in the situation room. Theyre following all the breaking developments. But first, the latest information from our justice correspondent, pamela brown. Cnn is learning the underwater robot just finished its fourth dive a few hours ago, 15,000 feet down. And right now experts are studying are sonar images, hoping that this time the bluefin may find something. Four days of searching underwater and still no signs of wreckage. The visuals that we managed to get from the bluefin 21 were very clear. Not in finding what we were looking the for, but what the seabed looks like and that gives us a bit of relief as to the next few days, were going to intensify the deepwater search. Reporter the underwater robot, bluefin 21, has been moving back and forth, searching the area where pings, believed to be from the black boxes were first detected. Still, some officials now say if nothing turns up in the next few days, it may be time to switch gears. If we dont find the wreckage, we will regroup and reconsider. I think that has been our case from the start. Reporter expanding the underwater serge not only will take time, but also cost a lot of money. Australias chief air accident investigator says a long search and Salvage Mission could cost up to 234 million. Today, more bad news for families searching for answers. Tests from a suspected oil slick found on the water sunday show the oil was not from the missing plane. Families still worry the investigators are searching in the right place. Theyre only looking in one place and theyre putting all their eggs in within basket. Theyve really laid everything theyve got on this one thing, hoping that they hit a home run. But what if they dont . You know, how much time have we lost . Now, investigators do not find any aircraft wreckage in the area theyre searching, it, of course, is a major setback, but they are back to square one. The next phase could be moving out along the arcs created by those satellite handshakes. The problem, of course, the larger the underwater search area, the longer it will take. Huge problem, indeed. Pamela, stand by. I want to go live to the base of the operations right now in perth, australia. Cnns Michael Holmes standing by there with more. What are you learning, michael . Yeah, wolf, four dives now completed. Thats a bit of a good development. The third dive was particularly successful, they say, in terms of what it covered. Bluefin 21 has now searched about 120 square kilometers. Thats nearly 50 square miles over those four trips above the ocean floor. Depths of between 3,200 and 4,700 meters. The third trip, as i said, that was about 19 hours, they have analyzed the data on trips one through three. Didnt find anything, but they say at least bluefin 21 is working well. Their getting good images down there. Mission number four, as we said, is now over, but we dont have the data on that yet. We hope to get it in the next hour or two, if were lucky. And also waiting on word that trip number five has started. As pamela said, this is a very slow process. Theyre already looking at where they might look next, if they dont find anything in this concentrated search area theyre working on now. But we are hearing that there is a level of confidence. No real detail on why, but there is confidence among those searchers, wolf. As far as the air searches are concerned, looking the for debris that may be floating on the surface of the indian ocean, i suspect, based on what weve heard from some of the organizers over the past few days, theyre getting ready to wrap that up, right . Reporter yeah, thats right. Angus houston, the man sort of heading up this search effort, he said at the beginning of the week that he thought that that aspect of the search, the air and surface search, would be wrapping up, in his words, in the next few days. Well, it hasnt, and we do know that planes are going to be going out again this morning. The ships, we know, are still out there. So theyre still searching in that area they looked a couple of weeks ago. So they obviously havent given up on that yet. We kind of expected it to be done by now given the guidance we were given by angus houston, but no sign of it ending yet, wolf. Michael holmes in perth, well obviously stay in close touch with you. If you get some more information, let us know right away. Lets bring back our panel, and our Law Enforcement analyst, tom fuentes. Peter, theyre suggesting they may have to expand the search area if the bluefin 21 keeps going down, comes up with nothing of substance, other than nice pictures of the ocean floor. Lets say they dont find anything. The pinger batteries are clearly dead by now. Where do day go from here . I think they go back along the arc. But thats not going to happen for at least six weeks. Theyve got a lot of territory to recover. Theyre doing it methodically. If that fails, then theyre going to have to reassess and plan for the long haul, which means tracing it back along that entire arc. That if they do that, tom because they havent found any debris at all over the past month. But if they have to start going along that arc and just looking and looking and looking, thats going to delay this for a long, long time. It will get into the time where people have said before, it might take weeks, months, years, now we could be looking at the months and years aspect, if that happens. Youre talking to some of these investigators, your sources, pamela. Are they losing hope . Are they very frustrated . Or are they still pretty confident that theyre at least looking in the right area . I think theyre cautiously optimistic, wolf. So far, the bluefin has covered about 46 square miles of the education to floor. And this is really their best bet, this concentrated area. And as we heard michael say, they are confident that this is really they need to be focused on. And just remember, were four days in. No one thought wed be finding any wreckage just a few days into the search. This is a long process and we just need to exercise patience. Four days with the underwater search, if you will, and 40 plus days overall search. They finally came back to us and told us that the oil that they took, there was a little oil slick there, had nothing to do with the plane. They brought it to perth, they put it in a lab, its not any lubricant or any oil from the airliner. Yeah, that was always a long shot. I mean, the idea that there would be any fuel or lubricants left on the surface from this aircraft is just, its just not going to happen. But they were obligated to test it. Im sure if they come across another oil sheen, theyll have to test it. But thats going to be highly unlikely that thats going to test positive. There was some hope, but obviously that didnt pan out. Stand by, guys, because Jeffrey Thomas is joining us once again. Hes the editor in chief of airli airlineratings. Com. Hes in perth, australia. Any new information youre picking up over there, jeffrey . Youre pretty plugged in. Look, Nothing Specific, wolf, but there is a very high level of confidence that they are looking in the right area. I mean, lets not forget, this is where they got four solid pings, two fadeout pings. This is the area where immarcet said, this is where you need to look. This is the spot where the last partial handshake occurred. And, yeah, absolutely. We didnt expect to sort of go down and find it mission one. And were only four days in. There is, on the ground, a high level of confidence that this is the right spot. And at the same time, while we thought the air search would be wound down, its proceeding at the same level, 13, 14 aeroplanes going out today. So this area that theyve searched about almost 2 1 2 weeks ago, theyve gone back out there over the last few days and theyre continuing to do so. So theres a you know, theres strong optimism that theyre going to find something. And how do they explain the frequency, when those pings were detected, especially that twohour ping from the black box, which is really orange, as all of our viewers know by now, that its supposed to be 37. 5 megahertz, but it was really only about 32 megahertz. How are they explaining that discrepancy . As explained to me, there is, because of the depth, of course, the ocean layers, the all the dynamics of that, there is a range of about 10 , either way, that is acceptable and still believed to be from the black box. Lets not forget that one of the worlds most famous recons, david moons said, as far as hes concerned, theyve found it. From those pings. Thats how positive he is that theyre on to the right location. Peter golds, you worked at the ntsb for a long time. Are you positive they found the right location . Im optimistic. These guys have worked hard, theyve used cutting edge analysis. They believe theyre on the spot. I suspect they also have confidential information, secret information that they are not sharing with us, why they think theyre pretty optimistic that this is the location, tom. Well, were hoping thats the case, to support it. It would make sense. One thing, because i know you were checking with some of your former colleagues at the ntsb. If they find this black box, the ntsb really does want to be the first to inspect whats inside. Well, ive thought about that and ive talked to a number of people, and they actually are the most qualified to get it. Not only do they have the most advanced equipment, theyve got the boeing corporation here, and theyve got the maker of the black box here as well. So this would be the best place to take care of the downloading of the data. The malaysians, jeffrey, would have to agree to that, to let the u. S. Get first crack at the black box, the australians, presumably, would have to agree to it. What are you hearing there, if they find that black box, who will inspect it first . Well, really, wolf, its up to the malaysians. They are leading the search, as is their right. They have included the australians, as a party to the full investigations. Im sure the australians would be very happy to work with the u. S. And the ntsb on this. I mean, the bottom line is, we want the very best equipment to study the black box and if the very best equipment, if the very best brains are in washington, d. C. , well, then, why not . And its not as though its a secret thing. We all share this information. Were all part of the investigation. And i would imagine there would be australian inspectors going with the black box to washington, d. C. To work with their colleagues at the ntsb. Assuming the malaysians agree to that. And its nice to believe, tom, that there would be this kind of cooperation. But there could be a fight about it. I dont think theres going to be any fight between the u. S. And australia. No, im talking about with malaysia, maybe. Well, i think malaysia is going to be feeling the pressure to get this to the best experts in the world, or theyre going to continue to face the kind of criticism that theyve put themselves through for 40 days. What are you hearing from your sources, pamela . Honestly, just reflective of what tom just said, i think once this black box is found, i think everyone is going to want to Work Together to figure out what happened here. And the sources im speaking with are saying basically right now its a waiting game. That in many ways, theyre not getting the answers they need from the investigative standpoint, looking at the passengers and the crew, so theyre really waiting on pins and needles for this black box to be found and to provide the proof they need. Pamela, thanks very much. Peter and tom, thanks to you guys. Geoffrey, well check back with you tomorrow as well. Still ahead, a leaflet threatening jews. 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The performance marque from lexus. Cross fire wont be seen tonight so we can bring you more of the coverage of mystery of flight 370 and other news. More on that in a moment. But first, another urgent story were following here in the situation room. The crisis in ukraine is turning deadly. Three prorussian militants were killed overnight during a raid on a Ukrainian Military base. These photos of the attack are just coming into the situation room, as many requequestion wh the powder keg that is east ukraine is about to explode. Lets begin with Nick Paton Walsh. Hes joining us from Eastern Ukraine with the very latest. What are you seeing, nic . Reporter wolf, despite this geneva agreement, which is a road map, effectively, between these foreign powers, who arent really in presence much on the ground here, suggesting there could be a ray of light, have seen very little change on the ground here at all. Catastrophic news, this morning. As you said, the first three deaths hmong the prorussian protesters, miraculous, very few of them killed or hurt in the past week or so. 63 of them arrested in apparently a moment i think we lost our connection, unfortunately, with Nick Paton Walsh. Were going to get back to him in a moment. The pentagon, obviously, is also closely monitoring the situation on the ground. Troubled by those reports of antisemitic leaflets that are distributed outside a synagogue during passover in one town in Eastern Ukraine. The u. S. Getting ready to step up some aid to the ukraine at the same time. Lets go to barbara starr. Wl what are you learning . What the pentagon is telling me, regardless of who was behind these leaflets, which the u. S. Is now calling disgusting, whoever was behind them, its a provocation and its very unsettling and it destabilizes further the political and military situation in Eastern Ukraine. Thats what the u. S. Does not want to see at this point. Now, i spoke to a senior rabbi in Eastern Ukraine just a short time ago, to ask him how things were going directly. He said, its very peaceful that people there generally get along. Theyre upset about these flyers, they know that theyre not true, nobodys obeying these instructions in the flyer to register, but what he said that was so interesting is that people in the region are worried about war. When what theyre worried about is a russian invasion. Thats what their top worry is. And many of them are the elderly people in Eastern Ukraine, who remember the terrible years there of world war ii. So it goes back to the point of russian intimidation, russian provocation. And today the top u. S. General in europe and hes also the military chief of nato, had a very extraordinary statement. General phillip breedlove, i want to read a little bit of it to you. General breedlove saying, quote, its hard to fathom that groups of armed men in masks suddenly sprang forward from the population in Eastern Ukraine and systemically began to occupy government facilities. Its hard to fathom, because its simply not true. General breedlove, very directly going on to say that he believes and nato believes russia is behind some of these provocations that we are seeing in the region, some of the violence taking over certain areas. The pentagon believes that Russian Special forces are very much in Eastern Ukraine right now and they say they dont have total proof, but they look at the pictures of the people fighting there, their uniforms, their weapons, their discipline, how they are acting, how they are operating, and the u. S. Has come to the very firm conclusion at this point that russia is behind much of the provocation in the region. Wolf . And explain, barbara, what the defense secretary, chuck hagel, meant today when he said the u. S. Would start providing some nonlethal military equipment to ukraine. What hes talking about, wolf, is things like medical supplies, uniforms, generators, water purification. Anything put weapons. Some of it will go to the ukraine army, some of it will go, interestingly, to the ukraine state border guard, because they certainly are trying to keep their borders secure at this point. The pentagon has made a decision, this is not the time for lethal weapons, not the time for weapons to go to ukraine. They want this situation to calm down. Wolf . Barbara starr is at the pentagon. Thank you. Lets go over to the white house. President obama is addressing the crisis. Hes calling for diplomacy to deescalate the situation. Our White House Correspondent, michelle kosinski, is joining us. Shes got more. Whats going on there . Reporter the president addressed this directly today. And on this, the first day in many weeks that weve seen so much as a glimmer of progress on crisis, he did not sound very optimistic. The president s reaction to Vladimir Putins fourhourlive television q a today and the agreement, at least, by russia to start ramping down the ukraine crisis . I dont think we can be sure of anything at this point. I think there is the possibility, the prospect, that diplomacy may deescalate the situation. Reporter while russias foreign minister showed a willingness to engage in constructive dialogue, putin didnt miss any chances to launch digs a to the u. S. , covering everything from his right to roll troops into ukraine, if he decides he has to, emphasizing that russia doesnt spy on its citizens communications, after a question posed by none other than edward snowden. Still living in asylum in russia. But putin kept a little window open to the now tattered u. S. russian relationship. Translator i agree that a lot of trust has been lost. Why is that happening . We consider this not our guilt. Russia is interested in developing relations with the United States and will do what it can to restore this trust. Reporter that relationship, though, continues to spiral downward, even as putin keeps calling p ining president obama possibly, possibly will move forward on ukraine instead of backward coming you have to meeting in geneva today. Were not going to know whether, in fact, theres followthrough on these statements for several days. Reporter for all of the ugly, at times, back and forth weve heard, especially from lawmakers on both sides, today during his ramble, putin at one point called president obama decent and courageous and said he thought that if putin were drowning, that obama would save him. But no word on the white house on that, wolf. Michelle kosinski with the latest from there, thank you. I want to go back to Eastern Ukraine right now. Nick paton walsh is on the scene for us. We were interrupted a few moments ago, but when ukrainians hear that the u. S. Is ready to start providing some nonlethal equipment, medical supplies, water purification, to ukraine, is that simply symbolic support or do they see it as much more significant . Reporter no, i think people we spoke to in a proukrainian protest here were quite clear they want to sort it out themselves. But barack obama said very clearly that the military option is off the table here. There is no concept, really, of future u. S. No. Imminently, unless the game change enormously. But this geneva agreement, while it is a piece of paper that russia, the u. S. , ukraine, and the eu can all put their names to, its a complex, messy agreement document. It calls for further talks of Observation Missions here, but it also says all illegally occupied buildings and all illegally banned groups should disband immediately, and they consider that to be the protests in kiev backed up by a farright militant and those in kiev say it means the people here backing them up. So that could fall apart quite fast. The people in the occupied Administration Building behind me here in day nesk, they dont even say anything. Were hearing reports of continued clashes around the region, unconfirmed because of the massive amount of information going around. But it seems on the ground, geneva has made very little difference, momentum so squarely behind those prorussian protesters. Nick, those antisemitic leaflets that were distributed outside a synagogue there in donetsk where you are in ukraine, youve been speaking to Jewish Community leaders and others, give us some perspective on whats going on. Reporter well, theyre not overly concerned if chief rabbi here, you would have thought if he was deeply troubled, would have taken this moment to express fierce about antisemitism, but he didnt. He said that these leaflets left outside the synagogue by three men after a Passover Service were actually aimed at provoking tension between the Jewish Community and the prorussian donetsk protest and the donetsk community as a whole get along fine, lets just stop talking about this. Plus, the guy who has supposed to have signed these leaflets, these posters, the chairman of the selfdeclared donetsks people of republic in the occupied building behind me, i spoke to him. He said it wasnt his handwriting on it, wasnt the title he uses for himself, called the whole thing a fake, an unprofessional one at best, and also said this is designed to provoke hatred here. Ou on the ground here, people are trying to push this aside quickly. Theres so much tension, they dont want antisemitism to come into the mix. Its not been part of the protests or part of the motivation, but so many accusations between both of these sides, calling each other fascist, remarkable that john kerry chooses to focus on this, of which theres not too much of in reality on the ground. Nick paton walsh on the ground for us, thanks very much. Lets continue the conversation. The u. S. Ambassador to the organization for security and cooperation in europe, daniel bear is joining us now. Do you want to give us your perspective on those antisemitic leaflets . We heard john kerry say they were disgusting and chilling. What do you know about this, ambassador . Well, i think as nick said, you know, the question remains on the ground whether where they came from, who they came from, et cetera. No matter where they came from, theyre offensive and disgusting, and i think it underscores the fact that theres a lot of unknowns right now, and that tensions are very high, and anything like this can and should be seen as a provocation and rejected for the disgusting hate it represents. Are you confident, upbeat, worried . Give me an analysis of this deal that seems to be emerging in geneva right now. How confident are you that it will really deescalate all those tensions . Well, i think im, you know, im confident that the recipe there is one that can be one step toward deescalation. The handover of buildings, the disarming of illegally armed groups, you know, thats an important step forward, and obviously, the discussion in geneva today underscored the role that impartial international monitors through the osc could play in actively facilitating that. But overall, the situation remains very grim, as weve heard earlier in the broadcast, theres strong evidence that russia is behind the illegal armed takeover of a number of municipal buildings in the Eastern Ukraine. These were coordinated efforts. This is not grassroots activism. This is russian organized criminality. The guys who are taking these over are operating in a professional way, professionally armed, with equipment that would cost many, many months salary in Eastern Ukraine. So the situation remains very grim. Weve said all along that there needs to be a diplomatic way forward, and that includes engagement between russia and ukraine, and the use of international monitors. And obviously, part of what was discussed today was how those monitors can play a role going forward. But were very much still in a test and verify, not in a trust and verify zone right now. Lets talk about the role that the organization, youre the u. S. Representative to the organization, for security and cooperation in europe. They want monitors from your organization to go there. Walk us through how many are going to go there, what their role will be, will they be armed . Give us a little perspective on these international monitors that are about to head over into this area where its very tense right now. So the monitors, the Monitoring Mission began with 100 people. It will scale up likely to 500 people. Thats in the process right now. And they are actually already on the ground. Theyve been on the ground, they reached their full force of 100, the initial 100 this week. But theyre on the ground in donetsk and other cities in the east and have been reporting this week. So they are on the ground and ready to help facilitate the handovers of buildings, the disarming process, etc. And well offer their good offices to do that. The other thing that theyre prepared to do and that we hope that they will do is as people thoughfully will realize that taking over municipal buildings is maybe a shortterm, tactical win, but not a longterm success in terms of addressing grievances, we hope that the ose monitors can play a role in facilitating dialogue, facilitating town hall meetings, et cetera. The ukrainian people as a whole have a real chance coming forward next month. Theyll have president ial elections on may 25th. And this is a real opportunity for the ukrainian people to turn the page on the yanukovych era, to move forward together, to start a new era with not corrupt government, with good governance, that can protect the rights of all ukrainians. And i think thats what were looking to and we should keep that goal in mind. Lets hope it works. Ambassador danielle bear joining us. Hes the u. S. Representative for the organization for security and cooperation in europe. 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Over time, platinum fights cloudy residue 3x better than the competing gel. Its so powerful it even helps keep the dishwasher sparkling. Avoid embarrassing moments. At least for your dishes. Cascade. Beyond clean and shine every time. The death toll is rising in south korea after yesterdays ferry disaster. Were getting brandnew video of some of the passengers families. Theyre enraged that the captain of that ferry abandoned the ship and survived. South Korean Coast Guard now says at least 25 people are dead. 276 people are still missing. Theyre believed to be trapped aboard the ship. So many of them are High School Students. Cnns kyung lah is at the scene for us. Shes joining us with the very latest. Kyung . Reporter well, wolf, i can tell you that certainly the mood here is distinction to shift after what has been a 24 hours of frustrating search, because of, primarily, the weather. I want you to take a look over my shoulder. What youre seeing over there is a gathering of parents. This is the dockside where theyre waiting for news. The search is actually 12 miles away from here. And take a look at this video. This is something we shot just a short time ago. And what youre seeing are parents who not only are grief stricken, but now, they are also enraged. They want answers. They keep chanting, captain, come out. They want to know why the captain survived while their children were aboard this sinking vessel. They are still grieving. They feel that the news is not coming out quickly enough from the government. So what were seeing here is this, as conditions get more desperate, as the death toll begins to rise and is expected to grow, the families are becoming increasingly enraged. Wolf . Are they giving up hope, or are they still maybe a little bit upbeat that their loved one might still be alive . Reporter theyre not giving up hope, completely, but certainly, we are sensing a different mood. They are becoming more desperate. They feel that the information, especially because the last 24 hours, were so dismal, that they dont know what to think. There was not oxygen pumped into the capsized boat, as they had hoped. There were no survivors pulled out over the last 24 hours. You can see them clinging to cell phones. They want answers. Theyre hoping for some texts. Theyre praying their children have found a dry air pocket aboard this capsized ferry. But the facts are against them. Hypothermia sets in after just two hours. Were now into the third day. So they havent given up hope. I cant say that weve spoken to anybody where you get that sense, but they are increasingly more desperate. And the notion that there were the captain survived, the captain got off, but so many others are still trapped, that must be fueling a lot of outrage . Reporter fueling a lot of outrage, certainly. They want to get this captain in front of them. That is certainly the sense youre getting, from at least today. Theyre also very upset about the issue of the lifeboats. There were so many lifeboats aboard, that local news reports that only one of them was actually deployed. There were dozens of them on the ship. So why werent they used . Why were the children, and im going to call them children, because there were so Many High School students aboard this capsized ferry, why were they told to stay in their rooms, to stay below the top deck . Those are a lot of questions that these parents are asking and they want answers. They dont feel its coming quickly enough from the coast guard or from the government or the ship company or the captain, frankly. Kyung lah, thanks very much. Lets get some more now on the search efforts. Commodore heidi aidy is joining us, what is the role of the u. S. Navy, commodore, right now, as far as this rescue operation is underway . Wolf, the capability that we bring to this effort is search and rescue. We are doing everything that we can to continue the effort to search for survivors. So what are you specifically doing . How much equipment do you have there . How many people are involved in this operation . Our contribution has been hampered by the visibility in our area. We have two very capable mh60 search and rescue helicopters out with radar that can tell if there was a warm area in the water. We were able to employ them for several hours yesterday morning, but the weather, the fog moved in for the majority of the day. We couldnt see the bow of our ship. And we were not able to fly in that weather. It is still foggy this morning. As soon as the weather clears, well put the helicopters back in the area and continue. Any indication we have some video from your ship about these bad weather conditions. There you see some of them. Its pretty dangerous to start flying over there, given the fact that the weather is that bad. Is that right . Thats absolutely correct, wolf. And we have weathermen that we live by as professional mariners and aviators, and sadly, we were not able to contribute but a few hours later. Is this a Real International operation, or is it the u. S. And south korea basically in charge . South korea is definitely in charge. And we are assisting. To my knowledge, were the only other country that is contributing. The south Korean Coast Guard and navy are heavily involved. Our counterparts on their flagships, weve recently worked with during exercises. And our deepest condolences go out to the family and the crew and our thoughts and prayers are with them as they struggle through this. Do you know, commodore, what happened, why this ferry capsized . Sir, i am not privy to that information through official channels and i would hesitate to say anything. The only information i have is whats been given in the open press. I would assume it is a matter under investigation by the south korean maritime agency. And reaching those air pockets, if, in fact, there are air pockets in that capsized ferry, where individuals may still be alive, how difficult of an operation is that, commodore . Extremely difficult. There are heavy currents in this area, the ship itself is not stable in the water. So you are, by default, putting a diver at risk, as the divers that have been assisting have been very frayed and very forward in their approach. The water temperature is in the very low 50s. So youre in immediate hypothermic conditions, so requiring dry suits to spend extended time in the water. The water is very murky, so there are many things that are working against them. And to add to that, we have a period of bad weather thats moving in over the weekend, where were expecting continued reduced visibility and higher winds, up to 30 knots an hour. Have you ever seen anything like this before, commodore . Wolf, i have not. This is just tragic. It was a distress call that we responded to immediately and will continue to stay on scene as long as the koreans need us to be here. Captain heidi agle is the commodore of the u. S. Amphibious squadron 11 joining us from aboard the uss bonhomme richard. Good luck to all the u. S. Marines and navies and good luck to the south korean military. Lets hope they find some people alive. Just ahead, some very dramatic evidence that passengers may, indeed, be alive in that wreckage of the sunken ferry. Its actually happened before. Hey. Im ted and this is rudy. Say hi rudy. [ barks ] [ chuckles ] id do anything to keep this guy happy and healthy. Thats why im so excited about these new milkbone brushing chews. Whoa, im not the only one. Its a brilliant new way to take care of his teeth. Clinically proven as effective as brushing. Ok, here you go. Have you ever seen a dog brush his own teeth . The twist and nub design cleans all the way down to the gum line, even reaching the back teeth. 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There were even underwater rescues after the Costa Concordia cruise ship capsized. How can one survive when it is capsized, even completely underwater . There is no more dramatic example than this. He is alive. He is alive. Reporter may of last year after a tugboat capsized off west africa, a rescue driver thought he found the hand of a corporation. But crewmember harrison had been alive for two and a half days inside a foursquare pocket. His boat had come to rest upside down about 100 feet below the surface. Just reassure him. Pat him on the shoulder. Reporter the supervisor talked him and the rescue diver through it. Put your head underwater and breathe comfortly. Reporter in less than that 20 minutes he was brought out safely. If there are survivors they could take steps to help themselves, though they probably dont know it. They need to find a watertight door such as this one, that they would close and seal it. Reporter former navy diver bobbi seeley showed us where air pockets can be found and how potential survivors could use them. When theyre in a small compartment like this with an air bubble, they really have to stay calm and breathe shallow and conserve the oxygen in that space. Reporter there was an effort to pump oxygen into the korea vessel with the hope that it could create air pockets. But that attempt failed because of bad weather. Given those conditions, the cold temperatures and the time elapsed since that ferry went down, the odds for survival here are decreasing, wolf. There are other dangers involved in pumping air into a vessel like this. This sure are. That navy diver bobbi scully says if a rescue team drills a hole into a compartment that already has air in it, there is a risk of letting air out of that compartment and having the vessel sink even further than it is now. And that could put 2 survivors in there, if there are any, any greater danger. 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And i certainly feel all the better, whether its a girl or a boy that he or she will grow up in a world full of strong, young female leaders. So thank you for inspiring me. And thank you for inspiring future generations i just hope that i will be as good a mom to my child and hopefully children as my mom was to me. So in october, Chelsea Clinton told Glamour Magazine that she and her husband had decided that 2014 was the year of the baby. So not totally unexpected here. But wolf, she certainly kept it under wraps until now. It really came as a surprise today at this event. There were quick congrats from her mom and dad on twitter. Hillary clinton saying my most exciting title yet, grandmother tobe. Bill clinton excited to be grandfatherto be. And of course the political question. Is this going to be whether Hillary Clinton runs for president . Ive heard it argued both ways by those close to clinton who want her to run in 2016 that she might not want to miss out on being a grandparent. As you know, campaigning takes so much time. But conversely, the possibility of being the first female president is certainly an alluring legacy to leave for a grandchild. Very, very exciting time for the clintons. We want to wish them happiness and only, only the best. Thanks very, very much for that. Remember, you can always follow us on twitter. You can tweet me. Go ahead, do it right now, wolfblitzer. You can certainly tweet the show cnnsitroom. Be sure to join us tomorrow in the situation room. You can watch us live, of course. You can also dvr the show so you wont miss a moment. Thats it for me. Thanks very much for watching. Im wolf blitzer in the sways room. Erin Burnett Outfront starts right now. Next, a major blow to the investigations into the missing malaysia Airlines Flight 370. And breaking news on the sunken ship off the coast of south korea. Were going to go there live. It is race against time, praying for air pockets to save nearly 300 people, most of them children missing. And Chelsea Clinton makes a big announcement. Lets go outfront. Well, good evening, everyone. Im erin Burnett Outfront tonight. A blow in the investigation of missing malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Search airplanes taking off at this instant. Theyre still trying to find any kind of visual proof. Investigators saying tonight the oil slick that they discovered, the results are in. It is not a plan