many of the jury deliberated for nearly 21 hours before reaching the verdict and this was the reaction when the public learned his fate. a short time later, a remarkable sight outside the courthouse as he was led away in handcuffs expressing no emotion. i want to get to one of the man that defended jerry sandusky, his attorney. what is your reaction to the conviction? >> obviously i am disappointed. i will take a little solace in the fact that the witness i cross-examined, mike mcqueary, did not sustain the count of sodomy they promise that cost joe paterno his job. overall, we did not do as well as we would have liked. we were rushed and underprepared based on the back discovery was given to us thousands of pages right before the trial started. that joe amendola rose to the occasion and we presented key evidence and that is part of the reason we got the acquittals we did. in the 20 some our deliberation. freezing of few eyebrows, his conduct over the last couple of days. he has been taking a strangely frivolous view of what has been going on here clapping, joking, cracking jokes, saying today he would have a heart attack at his client was acquitted care what was all that about? >> you have to understand he has worked tirelessly, the man has worked 17-hour days and dinner brought in to him at his home. i have seen the work he has done. he is one of the guys that has battered all the tapes, one of the persons that found a silver bullet, so to speak, that we thought the ad that showed the police misconduct. if he appears frivolous on the surface, he has worked this case harder than any attorney i have ever seen. >> is your intention not to appeal? >> we will appeal. we have several technical legal issues, one of which involves an accuser in a and they here say a statement, it invokes a confrontation issue. the judge ruled against us but acknowledge the law was tight in the area and it may be a novel argument that they brought forward. the danger for the government going forward is if we are successful on the appeal, the entire set of charges is liable to come back. >> most legal experts are saying there is no chance of a successful appeal tonight. that has been the reaction so far. >> i anderson and that. what i will say to those experts, i agree with an appeal will not be easy but i will tell them that they weren't in the closed sessions. they didn't hear everything that was put on the record and unaware of the actual record as it exists, frankly, a lot of it is not public. >> it has been suggested that jerry sandusky wanted to testify. wanted to get on the stand. he didn't, why was that? >> jerry did want to testify but we never made a commitment in the sense we were 100% positive. at the beginning of the trial, we thought he would need to testify. after the trial was underway and when the government made known they had certain witnesses, and also based on the fact that the government was unable or unwilling to put in the entire nbc rock center interview, we made a strategic decision based on what we felt was a good punch against the investigation not to bring him to the stand. one thing that comes to mind, i thought it was a wise decision because a good prosecutor can make an innocent man look guilty on cross exam. mr. sandusky what it had trouble. >> thank you very much. a dramatic resolution to a highly charged emotional trial. want to play for you what the attorney general said tonight. she spoke outside the courthouse shortly after the verdict. >> one of the recurrent themes of the witness's testimony which came from the voices of the victims themselves in this case was who would believe a kid and the answer to that question is weak and del ponte, pennsylvania, would believe a kid. >> we're going to look at the breaking news photograph, this is jerry sandusky in prison, his booking photo. a man behind bars where he is likely to stay for the rest of his life. we want to go to jesting, the attorney for victims number of three and seven. what is your reaction to his conviction? >> i spoke with my client is in as i was able to leave the courthouse this evening after hearing the verdict. i described the scene to them. and truthfully, in many ways, i think there is an element of disbelief. extremely relieved. my client both expressed a great deal of relief that this has finally occurred. one of them said, thank god he is in jail. another one said, it has been a long time coming. a great deal of relief and i think gratitude to the jury for hearing what the adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse had to say in this courthouse. >> it took a lot of courage for your clients to take the stand. and you can tell how emotional and painful it was for them to relate the experiences they had to endure at the hands of serrate sandusky. what is your feeling about sandusky? >> my personal feeling about jerry sandusky is that this is the first time that he has ever been held accountable for what he has done. he got what he deserved tonight. i believe that is how all my clients bill. i know that is how they feel. i believe this jury saw the courage of my clients and the other victims to testify in this case and responded. they got up there and they told the truth about something that many, many of those survivors and childhood sexual abuse victims keep all their lives. they told the truth in front of the world and took a great deal of courage to do so. >> will they be pursuing civil action, either of your clients? >> at this point, the facts are still developing, i have no doubt there will be civil actions. we have a dual justice system in this country. the civil system, i believe, will uncover even more information about a needs to be held accountable in these cases. at this point, we are just focused on this evening and tonight it is the victims night. the night that jerry sandusky goes to jail. after many, many years. >> it certainly is and my congratulations to you and your team. and also my very best wishes to your clients. you have had to endure this for a long time in their lives and tonight, at least, has seen the monster responsible and up or he should be behind bars. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, thank you very much. >> joining me to respond to this is lisa kimball m. pretty dramatic scenes tonight. what's is your sense of what should happen next? >> you talk about the monster of jerry sandusky. there are other monsters and the story. the adults to for the last 14 years knew there was a child rapist in their best and failed to act to protect children. y? because they wanted to protect the football team. in a football team over children and they actually saw being raped when they heard reports of being raped, talking about local law enforcement, the campus police, the university administrators. all of these people have reports and they failed to act. we hear tonight the children will be believed from law enforcement and pennsylvania. what about the last 14 years? what about all of these adult to fail to act? lacks see them charged with child endangerment. there were charges brought successfully in philadelphia today against a priest to saw there was molestation and dale two and failed to protect. that is important. i would like to see these adults who knew as much as 14 years ago this was going on in the field to protect the children. i would like to see them charge, too. >> a lot of people feel that. one of the issues is the hero worship towards joe paterno, one of the great coaches of all time. it has almost blurred the lines of how this should be viewed. i have never joined dan. i did not hero worship him not because i look at them and he had clearly been aware of what was happening. and clearly either turned a blind eye or had willfully covered up with jerry sandusky was doing. as a result, young boys were abused. >> one of the witnesses who said he actually saw with his own two is a child being raped in the shower by sandusky said it was one of the most difficult decisions of his life when he would go to the police are not. he didn't. why is that a difficult decision? you see a child being raped and do think it is difficult whether to go to the police or not? what is wrong with this. sports above the child being raped? >> putting aside the rate, which was witnessed and people have contested about, the fact he concedes that he was regularly having naked showers with these boys, it is abuse in itself. is what i could not understand. he is already admitting a form of child abuse. >> there is a janitor who said he saw sandusky and he told another employee and an adult. neither of them went to the police because football is more important? this is astounding to me and we have to call this what it is. child endangerment and an adult sees a child being assaulted or has good reason to believe he is being molested and does not reported. the time has come to round up those people and accused them of child endangerment. that's what it is. >> the investigation should be carried on at a faster rate to get to the bottom of who knew what when and to cover up. >> law enforcement. what are they afraid of? are they so blinded by the aura of the exports in this country that they did not do anything? >> let's go to the harrisburg reporter who broke the story. you've been involved from the start. you heard lisa saying that others should now be taken for what has been going on. what do you make of that? >> it is not about what i think. no matter what anybody says about what happened tonight, this is not a case that is over. and maybe with jerry sandusky, maybe he charged again, something the prosecutors will have to decide. within the community, this is not over. something that has affected and state. a very big case in a very small town is the bottom line. it closed down. and state university still has two officials who are charged with perjury and failing to report an incident. one you're just talking about. there is a potential for more charges. the attorney general was walking around tonight giving interviews and saying there is an ongoing investigation. they are still interviewing people, people going before the grand jury. we have heard from them coming forward as soon as this week saying that they are victims. one of them was his adopted son. even though i think there was a sense that you could feel just because of the sheer amount of people who ended up coming to the courthouse to hear the verdict that they wanted some kind of closure, some kind of answers. i don't think this is something that is going to stop. it is a story we won't be talking about in this community. it is something that is ongoing. and it is going to be several years before it is resolved or who knew what exactly and when they knew it. >> do you feel that the conviction of jerry sandusky may open the floodgates now? to a proper investigation in which people are far more forthcoming in the sense of sandusky was a well-respected figure for a long time despite what he was doing. obviously worked close with joe paterno who was a legend and as i was saying, it just blurred the lines of how people have the this. now that he has been convicted of 45 different forms of child abuse, it may be that the conspiracy of silence has been operating and it may evaporate. what do you think? >> i know his attorney got up on the podium and said he is still innocent, he intends to fight this on appeal. i know that many members of the community believe that he had no chance at a fair trial because of the massive amount of attention the case got. i know that as far back as 2011, when we first broke the story, that he was under investigation, we were hearing the same kinds of things that you just said. when he is charged, people come for and the floodgates will open. that did not happen this time. it didn't happen when he was charged. i am not quite sure. this is a tricky situation because he was a high-profile figure. a lot of the motion continued through penn state. and a crime where historically, people don't want to talk about it. it is a trifecta of a tricky situation. hard to predict. >> you have done some terrific journalism and i congratulate you on that. not a day for celebration, everyone is a loser. i salute you and george journalism for bringing jerry sandusky forward. well done on that. >> thank you. >> only combat, the impact on the victims, the community, and what's next for jerry sandusky and penn state. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about the personal attention tdd# 1-800-345-2550 you and your money deserve. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 at charles schwab, that means taking a close look at you tdd# 1-800-345-2550 as well as your portfolio. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 we ask the right questions, tdd# 1-800-345-2550 then we actually listen to the answers tdd# 1-800-345-2550 before giving you practical ideas you can act on. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 so talk to chuck online, on the phone, tdd# 1-800-345-2550 or come in and pull up a chair. scroll... tap... pinch... and zoom... in your car. introducing the all-new cadillac xts with cue. ♪ don't worry. we haven't forgotten, you still like things to push. 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>> truly is an experience you cannot get over. even relating in the courage they had to testify is trauma. they should get help and lose the guilt and take solace in the fact that date, it brought this monster to justice and start there, give themselves time. it happened almost 14 years ago. there recovery will not be overnight but it is a huge start and for their families. they need to take it all in and get professional help and step by step. >> one thing, the fact that when they first came forward, they were believed by the authorities that this jury very quickly in 20 hours said we believe all of you. that will help them. i know janet will say this. the victims were believed when they first reveal what happened to them heal much better than victims who were not believed. >> there are layers of trauma, many victims because of the silence may turn to drugs, the depressed, and anxiety. there are many ways their lives have been attended. it is about putting it back together without the guilt and understanding bay had a source of power and that is the truth and justice and to move forward. >> lisa, you have been involved in these serious areas for a long time. clearly other people are culpable in different degrees of severity. i think you have a number of people around penn state, around the sporting set up whether it is joe paternal or others who either turned a blind eye or deliberately covered up what was going on with sandusky. also i guess there is a question of parental responsibility. we have had parents who or where it was not quite right and didn't do anything. what do we do about that, do you think? >> this is an enormous opportunity for everyone has anything to do with children. schools, camps, a program that deals with children, to start educating the staff, the children, the parents. it is the work i am doing now. we have to be proactive to get out there until world about these predators and how they behave. talk to children and the time they are young and age-appropriate language. we really have to get out there and dispel the map and tell people the truth. there is too much and often people think it will never happen here. i am telling you right now there are schools and camps, places that are going to this could never happen here. it can happen everywhere. unless people are vigilant and now the signs, and they have the wherewithal to come forward when they suspect something and see something, this will continue. we have an enormous opportunity because this case has been so publicized all over the world. to finally do something really important to change this. >> quickly, about a body sandusky it took the stand on like jerry sandusky and defended her husband, practicing the speak no evil philosophy of defense. i did not see anything or hear anything. the think she lionel ritchie just in denial about all of the screen next >> it is hard to say she denied this. another aspect of her personality, maybe she is not a caring individual she portrayed herself to be that someone who is cold and may be colder than he is in the fact that she can take in all this information. she lived in a household where she had to be aware of some inappropriate behavior. she was able to put it away. i think there is more to her personality as well. the fact she was end in labeler to the heinous act he committed. >> thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> back for more on the sandusky case later in the hour. up next, aaron sorkin and jeff daniels. ♪ it was the best day [ whooping ] ♪ it was the best day ♪ it was the best day ♪ ♪ it was the best day ♪ 'cause of you we make a great pair. huh? progressive and the great outdoors! we make a great pair. right, totally. that's what i was thinking. all kinds of vehicles, all kinds of savings. multi-policy discounts from progressive. call or click today. lots of cable news anchors racing to see how accurate this was. and i think it's fair to say the general consensus was it was pretty darn accurate. people really enjoyed it. i found it -- very sort of thrilling reality check. to see it through the prism of your character, jeff. i'm curious about your motives here. i'm an unashamed "west wing" fan. it's a great privilege to have you here. what are you trying to achieve with the cable news genre, if anything? >> i've got one goal. that's to entertain the audience for an hour. we are going for the exact same thing. >> are you though? because i always see underneath this stuff. you do like to make a point. some of the criticism in the reviews i've seen is not centered really around the show or jeff or anything else, it's always about sorkinisms. offensive new term for the stuff you put into these shows. tell me about that. criticism you get. >> i do enjoy it. i enjoy language very much. it sounds like music to me. i enjoy autory. i grew up in a family where anyone who said one word when they could have used ten just wasn't trying hard enough. and i was the dumbest kid in my family. so i'd sit at the dinner table just listening to fantastic arguments like i was watching a tennis match. i grew to really like that. a point really well made. of somebody saying, but you haven't thought about it this way. what if this were to happen. as a writer, i grew up just wanting to imitate that sound. >> your character, will, make, jeff. he's goaded by the moderator. let's watch a bit of it. >> i didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election. and we didn't scare so easy. we were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. by great men. men who were revered. first step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one. america's not the greatest country in the world anymore. >> it was fascinating watching the room reaction. a lot of them sort of nodding along with that. because it was a great speech. a classic, if you don't mind me saying, sorkinism -- >> i don't mind. >> at its very best. all these statistics about where america's not number one anymore. made the point, it used to be a great country and it could be a great country again. right now, it's not the greatest country in the world. let me ask you a difficult question. when you said it, did you believe it yourself? >> it was interesting to do the speech, to work on the speech. that came late. there were some drafts where it wasn't there. there was something that happened at northwestern that was referred to. and then i think it was one of the last couple of drafts before the pilot. >> last thing written. >> here comes the speech. let's see it. i remember reading it going, you may not like it, you may disagree with it, you know, for those who are patriotic and wave the flag and don't want to hear it. but there's nothing in it that's not true. and that went all the way -- each phrase, each thing that aaron has will say, it's all true. sorry to tell you, but it's true. so that really resonated with me. and to be able to say that. to be able to take words like the way this guy can put them together and throw it at the lens, throw it at an audience, it's -- for an actor, it's gold. if you try and do it in the purest sense what your character does in this show, it doesn't rate. especially if it's not big breaking news. i can tell you for a hard, unpalatable fact, that is true. >> i know it's true. >> and it's hard. now you've had your toes dipped in our waters for a while. if you were running a news network, what would you do? 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[ announcer ] we are insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ the hardest working people on earth. are americans still the hard effort working people on earth? >> well, i have no idea. i've never tested how hard other people in the world work. but it's good oratory. >> you didn't write that speech? >> no. but jon favreau, not the actor but the president's speechwriter, would tell you that barack obama is the best writer in any room that barack obama is in. i always smile when people have a problem with the teleprompter. he's the guy who wrote what's on the teleprompter. >> yeah. let's watch how this speech goes on. it's quite interesting what he then says. >> and nobody personified these american values, these american traits, more than the latino community. >> shameless. i would have thought. again, you could expect that to pop up in "the west wing" at some stage as a campaign message. for a president to be standing there today, deliberately pandering like that to the latino community at a latino conference. >> right. >> am i being too cynical here? >> no, no, of course you're not. listen, he's at a latino conference. governor romney spoke there yesterday. i think. and they both need the latino vote. but i will say that i -- it's -- it's nicer hearing that than hearing about the lazy mexicans who come here who are draining our resources. selling drugs and shooting guns. you get up at 6:00 in the morning and see who's waiting at the bus stops. any time a new hotel opens in town, see who's snaking around the block three times waiting for a job. >> have you ruined it basically for every american president by making bartlett so likable, principled and everything else that he was? have you basically ruined -- do all of them now get unfairly compared to bartlett? i've seen polls that bartlett would have made president time and again. >> again, i have the benefit of fiction. i don't just get to decide what bartlett says. i get to decide what everybody else says and does too. it's a lot easier for bartlett than for a real president. >> jeff, what is it like to work as an actor with someone like aaron's words? because he famously -- strides over everything himself. this is absolutely his stamp on almost every word you will be in the end acting. >> every word, yeah. you memorize every word. that's the drill. i was doing a movie with meryl streep once. "the hours." we were going to walk through a doorway. the director said -- they said, meryl, just say a couple things coming through the door. she said, what, i have to write it too? i've never heard an actor say that. you heard david harris sitting there. he came up with two lines. why do i have to write it? that's how i feel. you've got aaron sorkin. a singular voice. you don't have a committee. you don't have executives. you don't have three or four writers on it. he's got every word on it. >> the same token, when i'm writing it, i get to know that jeff is going to be playing it. that emily's going to be playing it. john gallagher, sam waterston. that these people are going to be playing it. you don't need a half panel speech here. it's going to happen on jeff's face when he lights the cigarette. >> you had talked -- it was after the drugs bust thing that happened to you. you were talking about you liked to just disappear on your own. at the time, it would be with drugs. but you wanted to go to vegas on your own. just have a night in a clean hotel room as you put it. that is a strange thing to do. why do you like that solitude? >> well, i liked it then because of the drug use. i didn't party with other people. i never did drugs with other people. i only did it by myself. now solitude is about writing. because so much of that process is thinking about what you're going to write before you write it. and i'm also a father now. so, you know, when i'm not working, i like to spend my time with my daughter. >> did you, like the beatles, did your best stuff on the drugs? >> you know what, i don't -- the last thing i want to do is make drugs sound good to anybody. bill maher once said drugs sure haven't heard his record collection. and i don't think i did do my best stuff while i was high. even if i had, if i was writing at shakespeare level high and the hackiest hack level straight, i'll take not being high and a hack. >> have you arrived at a good place in your life now do you think? >> yeah -- >> the hard way maybe but you have? >> i'm the luckiest guy in the world. like i said, i love being a father. i get paid to do exactly what i love doing. exactly what i love to do for free. and i get to work with the greatest people in my industry. >> without being too intrusive here, according to the photographs i saw after the premiere, you are dating a beautiful woman from "sex in the city," is this true? >> every so often -- i am a single man. but every so often an otherwise brilliant woman will have a short lapse of judgment and agree to go out on a date with me and that's what happened with kristin davis who was nice enough to be my date for the l.a. premiere the other night. >> you make a very nice couple. >> thanks. we'll see what happens. ople sav. but today...( sfx: loud noise of large metal object hitting the ground) things have been a little strange. 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