>> good evening. we'll get to my interview with the cast of dallas in a few moments. but first, a big man with big ideas about politics, government and everything else. jesse ventura, a superstar of professional wrestling known as the body and a man who never holds back. every time he's been on my show, he says something outrageous, unexpected and thought provoking. now he's back for more. his book, jesse, how are you? >> i'm doing well, piers, how are you? >> you are looking very well. two things i want to clarify with you. one is why you're not here with me in the studio. and secondly, where have you been because you've disappeared? >> well, first reason, why i'm not with you in the studio is i have -- i've quit flying because i have metal in my body. so every time i go to an airport, the metal detector goes off. and they treat former governors like criminals out there, you know. i get treated like a criminal and i've had enough. i won't be treated like a criminal anymore. so the only alternative is not to fly. i tried to bring a federal lawsuit against the tsa and homeland security and imagine this. the judge threw it out claiming she did not have jurisdiction. now, it's a constitutional question. so if she doesn't have jurisdiction, no one does. people in this country need to understand when you go to any airport in the united states, you are not protected by the constitution or the bill of rights. they can do anything they want to you and there's nowhere you can go to seek redress. >> so you've been grounded. and you're also -- you've been in what i would call hibernation where you didn't watch television, you were telling me before we started, for 45 days. >> right. well, i live in mexico in the wintertime and i live off the grid down there. now, i do have television, but i decided it was time to see if i could withstand no television in my life. so i did it for 45 days. it was wonderful. i didn't even watch the nfl playoffs for the first time i did not watch the super bowl. but i've got to tell you, life was grand without it and i urge more people to try it now and then and see what else goes on there the world. >> well, it may be healthy for you, but i can't really encourage your campaign for reasons you'll understand. now, this book is fascinating, the book. because it's called "democrips and rebloodicans." these are two of the most infamous gangs. so you're basically likening the politicians in washington these days to gang leaders and gang members. is that right? >> yeah, that's true. and they're worse. let me explain why they're worse. the crips and the bloods, the street gangs, they can be devastating to a small part of the population, the democrips and rebloodicans, they are everybody. and they've been in charge for over 100 years. if the republicans want to do something, the democrats are opposed to it. the best thing we could do is on every ballot remove all gang names and gang symbols. allow them to only run on their names. that way, it becomes important that the voter educate themselves. what does john smith stand for? and if -- because right now when you go into vote, if you're a conservative, you don't need to know any names. all you need to do is look for republican. if you're liberal, all you need to do is look for democrat. you don't even need to know the name of the candidate. >> this all sounds great in theory. of course, the reality of the kind of american government you're looking for here, is you would end up with a whole falex of desperate souls, all with different ideas, all with different kinds of policies. how does that actually work? in reality, jesse. be sensible. be realistic. how does that work? >> read chapter 2. >> i've read it all. >> okay. who backs me up in chapter 2? george washington, the father of our country. thomas jefferson, looked up to by many today and john adams, who actually stated that when political parties take control of the government, that's what will destroy it. it won't be a force from outside. it will come within. and i think those are three pretty good allies to have with me. they're the founding fathers.>> >> but, again, i come back to a reality check. you get all of these brilliant independents and they're all standing on their neck. and people i like, but the truth is, how do you actually govern when you have sa whole load of desperate souls. let me finish. human nature, jesse, dictates that it becomes like a fascist state. you end up with people who are the most independent of the independents. you're basically endorsing a form of fascism, right-hand turn you? >> we're already fascists, piers. a corporation is the same as a person. that ruling, by the supreme court, makes us fascists. because the basic definition of fascism is when corporations take over the government. they already have. they can give unlimited amount of money. they said money is free speech. and i love how it works. you know? the democrats and the republicans have built the system completely on bribery. you bribe the politician, you get what you want. you don't bribe them, you don't get anything. now, in the private sector, if we do that, we go to jail. and then also, they lied to us. if we lie to them, we go to jail. how come the road doesn't go both ways? why is it just one way? >> well, i guess -- here's what i thought when i read your book. i thought you made a lot of very valid points. you hit a lot of those big bell moments that go off in people's heads where they go jesse ventura has a good point about the lack of bipartisan politics, about the corruptive element now which exists and corrodes around a lot of public life in america, et cetera. but i come back to my point. it's all identifying as a complete basket case. how do you actually have a government that works if everyone is an independent? >> well, you can turn the democrats and republicans into specialists. you get endorsements from the teacher's union, the police union, the fire union, all of these things. make them equal to that to where the candidate can still be endorsed by the republican party. you just don't put it on the ballot. you put just the name down. why is it so weird to think there should only be a name there? 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>> well, my reaction is it doesn't matter. i mean, when we went from george bush to barack obama, the only difference was their skin color. everything else has been pretty much the same. it doesn't matter if you elect a democrat or a republican because they've both sold out to bribery, to the same corporate sponsors. i mean barack obama's largest contributor was goldman sachs. if you go to both of their conventions, you'll see the same lobbyists paying off both sides so they win either way. it does not matter who you elect. i laugh when i hear change you can believe in. well, the only way that's going to happen is if you'd elect someone like me. i'll give you change you can believe in. you can rest assured there would be change. not what these guys talk about. nothing has changed. nothing ever will, as long as democrats and republicans are in there. >> now, i'm getting sort of an explosion on my phone here of twitter. which i know you don't partake in. but a lot of people tweeting to my surprise. but to your joy, a lot of -- he's got a point, jesse ventura. they're going to like the cut of all of this. by the way, if you're watching, it's getting lively with jesse. the obvious question, i guess, is if you're so fed up with the system and you want independents to take charge, why don't you throw your hat back in the ring? >> well, i'm certain i would have a following because there's a lot of disgruntled, unhappy people out there just like me. and they're wising up, finally, i hope. i mean, i've been pounding this for my last four books i've written and it doesn't seem like anyone wants to listen. but i'll tell you this. i'm 60 years old now and i'm not too sure i want to tie myself up in this nonsense. i have a great life in the private sector. i love to go in the water down in mexico. i love my life down there. and i would have to give that up. and in order to do that, i have to see something out of the american people. i want to see the american people give me a sign that it's worth it to me to come out and put myself on the line again. >> how much do you think the media has to take responsibility for some of the way that the political system is going in america. the sense that you now have very partisan cable networks. fox on the right, nbc on the left, cnn is in the middle. when you see them getting more partisan, does that matter? is it good for political debate? is it corrupting political debate? what do you think? i think it's awful. it's terrible. you know, the news used to be to report facts and allow you to make the decision. what you have now is nothing but a media with opinion and a media -- i remember the death of anna nic media today is not into reporting the news, they're into creating it. and that is very, very dangerous. because the light went on with 60 minutes. they found out the news could make money. so the bean counters came in and now the news is nothing but entertainment an that way for m three books. none of the fox nighttime people. none of the msnbc. now, fox business will put me on. i think they're another divis >> well, jesse, you're outrageous. we'll take another break and we'll come back and talk to you about your conspiracy theories of which you have many and varied and they're always fascinating to debate with y i do mean special because there's no one quite like you. jesse, let's turn to your conspiracy theories in the book. some would say you would argue that they are factual assessments of issues. one of which is you called iraq and afghanistan the wars that are the first contract wars. so the government job of our troops paying them a lot more than they would pay the troops. explain what you mean by that? >> he's got all of these contractors they realize they can get paid a whole lot more money than what the military pays them. so they leave our military in droves and go to, like, black water -- i don't know what they call themselves now. they change their names around. and they go over there and they're nothing but cowboys. they don't fall under any of the rules of war. they're mercenaries. and that's what we're turning into today. our military has turned into contract killers now contract for hire. we're using them more and more and they're very much more expensive to use the regular military. and what troubles me is this, piers. i'm 60 years old now and i'm born post world war ii. i was born in 1951. my country has been at war for over half of my life. over half of my life, we have been at war. no other country in the world, save israel, can say that. why? >> when you look at barack obama who you have little time for, it seems, but in terms of his foreign policy, isn't he doing -- >> i have less time for mitt romney. >> but isn't he doing exactly what you would do? he's pulled them out of iraq. >> he has? >> he's pulling them out, isn't he? >> well, i guess he is. but he's leaving private contractors over there. a lot of them. he hasn't closed git-mo yet. he didn't prosecute anyone for torture. we're a country known throughout the world, we torture people. and i'm ashamed of that. shouldn't we take the high road? no. now, is barack obama better than george bush? yes, i will say that. but he still -- he told us he would end the wars. and now we're ramping up to go to war with iran. >> what would you do with iran? >> well, i'll give you a scenario. here's a scenario that i would have asked at the republican debates. i would have say, hypothetically, if you're the president, let's say hugo chavez of venezuela, if he went and bought an unmanned drone and flew it over united states air space and if that drone crashed in the united states, you, as president, i would have asked the republicans what would you do? i bet you they would have declared war. yet, we fly unmanned drones over iran air space. no one gave us permission to do that. the hypocrisy is unbelievable. in our country, we believe we can do anything throughout the world. and if any of them people did that back to us, we would declare war on them immediately. am i not right? what if hugo chavez did that? or say hugo bought a thousand acres of land by palm springs and moved the venezuelan military in there. we've got our military in 270 countries throughout the world? well, that's an empire. i don't care to live like that. it's wrong. it's wrong. >> isn't there a slight naivety, though? it's very easy to say that america, which is the world's number one military super power and economic power, should simply sit back and not do anything in any of these dangerous countries like iran, north korea, pakistan, where ever it may be. doesn't america have to get involved? >> so the u.s. is definitely threatened by these countries? in what way? >> if iran began to build up a nuclear arsenal at the same rate of north korea, would you not, as an american, feel threatened by that development, given that they're such an unstable country? >> do you know why they have to do that? you notice the united states doesn't mess with anybody that's got the nuke. so we're forcing countries not to mess with them. and you're talking about this build up? i've heard that before. i heard the same thing about iraq. i heard that a few years ago. it was all a lie. they had no weapons of mass destruction. they had no ties to al-qaida. the american people were boldly lied to about that entire war and then we go into that war and discover it's all a lie and, yet, nobody holds anybody accountable for it. now they're using the same scenario on iran. the same identical scenario. they're telling us they're putting fear into us because i believe the united states has changed today where we must be in a perennial war and those perennial wars will bring us down just like the roman empire failed. >> well, jesse, you are at perennial war with almost everybody verbally. it's a fascinating book. no more gangs in govt. it's been great fun catching up with you again. come back soon. >> thank you, piers. thanks for having me on because a lot of people don't have your courage. >> i have no fear when it comes to the ventura. see you soon. >> okay, thank you. of buttons on your tablet. isn't it time the automobile advanced? 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[ laughter ] >> how much was it? >> i don't remember. it doesn't matter now. i've spent it already. >> it's a serious question. a lot of sequels can be crashing disappointments. all of the buzz around this is terrific. i think the blending of the great characters we know with the hot young blood that comes through is so clever and gives it a real chance, a success. but dallas was such a wonderful, phenomenon of its time, i would understand serious concern, particularly for you, i think, as the kind of leader, if you like, of the pact. how much did the friendship come into it? >> well, i wouldn't be doing it without them. we wouldn't be doing it. >> no. i mean, somebody approached me and, if you'd like to do the show. and i said are my friends going to be on the show? and i said sure. let's see the script. and then we talked about the script. we liked it very much. and so we said yeah. it only took about 10 years to join. >> i think people forget that we're your friends and we do talk. so it isn't about getting something and the other one not getting it. we talk all of the time. >> you look great. is everything okay? >> so far. yeah. >> i love the fact you've brought this in. is this a genuine j.r.? you see, immediate to that laugh, that, the stetson, the laugh, the evil chuckle was that your chuckle? >> well, in germany, it's not my chuckle. i say it ain't me, it's my interpreter. >> with the montage of the great old days, he doesn't understand why i'm so excited today. >> i have finally figured everything out, that's all. you have been trying to frame me. >> good morning. >> tell me, j.r., which slut are you going to stay with tonight? >> whoever it is, it got to be more interesting than the shut i'm looking at right now. >> did he really say that? >> he said that. >> i don't think you can say that on tv anymore. and you said you weren't evil? >> you think that's evil? >> no wonder i drank. >> did you like being for what you were, the most evil man on television? >> i don't think i was an evil man. is just like a texas businessman, that's all. >> i don't think you can say that on tv anymore. and you said you weren't evil? >> you think that's evil? >> no wonder i drank. >> did you like being for what you were, the most evil man on television? >> i don't think i was an evil man. is just like a texas businessman, that's all. >> yeah, evil. >> they keep bringing that up. >> i'm just doing what people do for business. >> you can't start distancing yourself from being evil. j.r. was wonderfully evil. constantly scheming and plotting. that is evil, isn't it? >> did you like the reputation? >> of course i do. >> the question is they say who shot j.r.? >> do you ever tell them? >> yes. >> what do you say? >> bing crosby's daughter. >> shot peter pan's son. >> there were only about 3,000 suspects. that was the beauty of the plot line. when you guys were filming in dallas, presumably you lived there. when you walked around, it must have been like the royal family. >> everywhere. where. >> i think we were most popular in the u.k. outside of america. >> and also, in germany, my gosh, we're still playing in germany. >> so it's you and david hasselhoff. >> mr. germany. yeah. >> let's take a short break. i want to come back and talk to you more about dallas. we'll bring on the young turks in a moment. i want to go to my past. almost tastes like one of jack's cereals. fiber one. uh, forgot jack's cereal. 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[ laughter ] >> is j.r. any better-behaved these days? >> not really. >> to me? >> a leopard never changes its spots. well, you looked remarkably nice. >> he did, but do we trust him? >> no, no, no. >> equally evil. >> he's not evil. he has a little bit of me in him. >> he's 90% evil. >> yeah. >> tell me about how bobby is involved. >> he's just sweet. he's all rolled into one. >> let's fill the gaps between the last "dallas" in '91 and the current "dallas." what have you been up to that you're proudest of now? >> i learned how to rest. >> yes, which is not to be underestimated. >> i don't know. just kicking it around, having a great time. >> when you look back on that period, was that the most satisfying time of your career? >> what? you mean dallas? >> yeah. >> of course. i had a nice little -- it's still on the air 47 years later. so i had both worlds. the comedy world and the romantic world. >> when you hear younger actors these days moaning about fame and intrusion and paparazzi and all of that kind of thing, what do you think? >> find another profession. >> that's what i think. >> did you have any sympathy with people moaning about the prices of fame? >> nothing. none. none what so ever. i think it's fun. it is. it can be fun. it can be a pain in the neck, too, i supposed. but i like it. >> except that sometimes, the most inappropriately prepared people achieve fame. and so i do have sympathy for those that emotionally are ill-equipped to deal with the public under any circumstance and they can still be very talented and if they're caught in those times when they're out in public and they can't deal with it, then i have sympathy for them. >> i always think it's tougher for women. i think they get much more scrutiny. for any woman, famous or not, that kind of scrutiny can be hurtful. yooich had it more than many. what do you think? >> i'm blessed because the industry tends to dismiss women after a certain age. so i'm triply blessed because i figure at my age to be working, again, and thrown out in a public arena is a blessing and i'm very happy about that. i feel that it's much different now because they're looking at your shoes, your purse, your ring, your this, your that, everything. and everything is critics criticized. and it's -- they omit looking at the person, who is the person? they're looking at the dress and the stylist and this and that. so it takes away from the person that you are. >> and on the internet, it wasn't around when you -- that's completely changed everything. everyone who walks around the street has a camera phone. they're all paparazzi. in the old days you could walk around and no one would have a camera and if -- >> if they and another rose. >> yes. >> let's take another break and we'll bring out the new generation of ewings. >> what the hell are you doing? >> oil on south fork. born to leap, born to stalk, and born to pounce. to understand why, we journeyed to africa, where their wild ancestor was born. there we discovered that cats, no matter where they are... are born to be cats. and shouldn't your cat be who he was born to be? discover your cat's true nature. purina one. discover your cat's true nature. ♪ ♪ we all need it. to move. to keep warm. to keep us fed. to make clay piggies. but to keep doing these things in the future... at shell, we believe the world needs a broader mix of energies. that's why we're supplying natural gas to generate cleaner electricity... that has around 50% fewer co2 emissions than coal. and it's also why, with our partner in brazil, shell is producing ethanol - a biofuel made from renewable sugarcane. ♪ >>a minute, mom! let's broaden the world's energy mix. let's go. ♪ ♪ [ man ] excuse me miss. 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