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is it lonely out there? >> pretty lonely. but they seem to tolerate me somehow because i can at least state myself eloquently and without -- without actually kind of assuming the veneer of what they some is what a republican is is some kind of nasty, strange villain that should be vilified. >> it's awful because that has become the way republicanism is now perceived in this country. you're either extremely with them, with all that appears to entail, or you're completely against them. to say you're republican now divides people immediately. you go back 30 years, it wasn't like that. >> well, the tone of political assessment has changed and the battle for the hearts and minds of the american people have taken on a bit more of a violent and narrow approach. i mean, you have to actually make sure that nobody swallows anything of what you are in order to ensure that you get their vote. so it's very easy to understand why you'd want to make somebody hateful. >> as you say, people i guess see you as a comic actor. you were born in the virgin islands. you grew up in florida. at 18 you come to new york, go to the juilliard school, very prestigious acting school. you did do the hard yards of theatrical trainings, didn't you, to be a serious actor? >> for a couple of years and then they kicked me out. >> did you ever imagine at that stage, at juilliard, all these talented people, did you ever imagine in your wildest dreams or maybe nightmare the level of fame you would one day get through acting? >> no. it funny, there was something -- i did believe that i was going to be successful as an actor. i did realize if you're successful as an actor it might come along with fringe benefits, i guess or peripheral anxieties. >> stage acting is great because you go out every night and you get instant reaction from an audience, a play, good musical. they're cheering and you go off and feel fantastic. the worst thing about television i would think is the terrible wait. you make all this stuff -- i've made shows and they take months to make and then there's this terrible buildup and in the back of your mind all you're thinking of is this could tank and then what. >> i've had that experience, too. >> "frazier" "cheers," they were phenomenal shows. when you first started making them, did you get an inkling early on, okay, this is going to be huge, it's going to change my life? or did it just happen? >> i'll tell you a story that david hyde pierce has repeated. after we shot the pilot, we got a standing ovation and everything went away and we all felt pretty good about it and he said to me, so what do you think? what does this mean? i said for you? it means you're going to buy a really nice house. and he said, well, what does it mean for you? i said it means i'm probably going to buy a couple. you do have a sense -- you know when you know. you can tell. and there is a beauty about releasing it to the public, just saying, okay, here it is, love it or hate it, we did our best. >> kelsey, when i researched your life for this interview, i could barely believe about the stuff that's happened to you, the really bad stuff. most people go through life and have had a bit of trauma. but when i read your parents divorced when you were 2, your father who you had barely seen since then was shot and killed, in 1975 your youngest sister karen was abducted, raped and murder pshe was 18. in 1980 your young are twin half brother died in a scuba diving accident. in 2001, the producer of "frazier" died in the 9/11 attacks. i got to the end of this and i didn't know to be honest with you how you had even come through that. i don't know how any human being comes through this kind of thing. i mean, put it in some kind of overall context for me. to be hit by so much tragedy. >> we touched on it a little bit before, though. i was being general. and one that's really important is my grand dad died, too, when i was 12. he raised me. that was the big impact until my sister was killed of course. that one just seemed like an absurd topping on a situation that i thought was just impossible. and it was that incident that sort of propelled me into at least a phase -- i mean, i lost faith, i lost myself. it's sort of like that old what -- everything the boy saw, he became. i had a love affair with the universe, with a blade of grass, with a rising sun, with surfing. i used to surf all the time when i was a kid. my life was a joy. it was a joyful experience. it was full of sort of affirmation and encouragement. and i loved being alive. and i was consciously in love with being alive. and then these deaths took place, you know, these deaths occurred. and when i lost gordon, i went very quiet for a long time. that's my grand dad. and i didn't really speak to anybody for a couple of months. >> he'd been the father figure. >> he was my father basically. and when i finally sat one night -- this is in ft. lauderdale where we had moved and i got this overwhelming sense that i was just going to be alone for the rest of my life, which made me kind of sad. and when i was 18, i packed it all up and went up to juilliard to find my fortune, whatever. but it was that year, two years actually, when karen was killed that sent me into kind of a tail spin. and it was a horrible nightmare for her. the three young men who be a dkted hersh raped her repeatedly, said maybe they would let her go. there was more documentation about what happened. and i being the big brother i'd always been thought that i had some responsibility for that. and that haunted me for, well, at least 20 years. that notion. >> it makes so much more sense to me the kind of slightly chaotic relationships that you had and the kind of dissent into drugs and alcohol and so on. it all makes much more sense when you understand what you've been through. it doesn't surprise me. >> i think after the success came, you know, robin williams had that great saying about saying cocaine's good's way of telling you you're making too much money. >> you trained with him at the juilliard, didn't you? >> yeah, we were together in school. but once success came, i think what really compounded my difficulties in dealing with some of that was simply they've didn't feel like i was worth it, like i didn't deserve that kind of success, that kind of reward, that kind of -- well, what you say about me, you know, this popular face on television. i'm okay with it now. i really am. >> but is part of that because you've managed to deal with so many of the demons? >> yeah. there was a self-loathing about it that came into play and it was easier to run away from it. but there was also the intoxicating inner vating charge of getting high and having fun. and there was even the kind of mythology of being a hollywood actor, this errol flynn and some of the big drinkers of the past. >> is it mythological or is there actually a reality? you were earning millions, you had the big houses, the fast cars, you had beautiful women. for a while it must be fun, despite everything else. >> absolutely. i would be a fool to tell you i wasn't having a good time. >> people say it's terrible. it it was that bad, you wouldn't be doing it. >> cocaine, it was too much to me. it brought me to my knees eventually. >> what was the wake-up moment for you? >> there were several along the way where i'd say have i to stop. it's hard to do that with cocaine. it's insidious and that's the problem. >> how did you manage to stop? >> i did go to betty ford and that helped. the best thing that they said actually was how's it been working for you? that's what i thought. and they said you spent a month here and maybe you'll figure out a way to do thing as little differently. and honestly that's what was the turning point in terms of me being able to take charge of my life again. because, i mean, i do all kind of things. i still have a wonderful, fun kind of approach to life. i do not -- i don't do cocaine anymore. >> do you drink alcohol? >> i have a drink sometimes, yeah. >> you can drink in moderation? >> yes. but you have to be ever mindful that you had a relationship with it in the past that can cause some probably so you have to be careful. >> after the break, come back and talk about how you got back on your feet and dabble slightly in marriage and divorce. >> okay. >> because you are something of an expert in this area, kelsey. luck? 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>> that was another night. that was before i married you. >> you married her after she shot at you? wasn't that warning sign? a woman shoots at me, i'm thinking twice about the marriage, you know? >> so that fell apart pretty quickly. and then i met my third wife. and what's funny is i didn't see the -- i didn't see the similarities at first but all the same impulses came up about, oh, i could really help her. you know, i can -- >> this is camille? >> yeah. i can save her, give her some sort of refuge. and i think in the long run, i mean, it's difficult to have anybody hear this but i think it wasn't really a relationship based upon love. it was a relationship based upon appearances. it was good for me to basically at least try to settle down and have a normal relationship. so i sort of dedicated myself to that without realizing that i needed to have a profound love to really pull that off. and so -- >> and what was bizarre about the whole thing was it was all being played out on television. >> everything's played out on television. >> she was on the "the real housewives of beverly hills" and you would pop in and out so the whole unraveling of marriage. i imagine for you who had always run away from that kind of attention from your private life, this must have been like hell. >> i have to tell you, the real housewives was my parting gift to her. it was my way of saying, look, you always wanted to be famous, here you go. everybody knows reality shows are not a particularly great way to be famous, but you'll still get attention and still get all those things that come along with the ride, which i think is what she was most interested in. that was the gift. and i knew that when it came up, we'd be saying good-bye. i remember having one conversation where i said don't worry about, it after the first season you can do the divorced wives of beverly hills next season. >> you were already joking. at one stage quite early on in the marriage you said this, you said that camille was the most pro fond, the most rewarding, the most honest relationship of your life and it was love at first sight for you. >> you know, i think what i was trying to do was sell it to myself. you know, knowing that i didn't really have many more chances at something like that in my mind. and i thought that this was the kind of relationship i should try to have. and it just -- there was the still small voice in the back of my head saying this isn't going to work. but i stuck to it. >> how are things between you now? because you've got two children. it's been, to put it mildly, messy. and you've pretty muff kept your dignified counsel but how are things? >> it's not good. >> do you have any dialogue with her? >> no . there have been some public incidents in front of the children, things like that i'd like to avoid. there's been some attacks on kate which aren't particularly interesting but i guess you know people say all kinds of things. but none of those are true. and we've had some difficult moments. the only thing that i've ever really wanted was to try to work out something that would be nice for the kids, but -- >> how is your relationship with them? >> oh, it's great. >> you get plenty of access? >> they're doing their best to make that difficult for me right now. well, here's the thing, listen. camille asked for a divorce really almost the first day we're married. i give a piece of advice to women who say i want a divorce as some sort of tactic. if you say i want a divorce enough times, you're going to get one. >> do you think she married you because you were kelsey grammer, tv icon? >> no, i think she married me because i was frazier. >> really? simple as that? >> i think it was frazier. he had this great, wonderful life, stylish -- >> had a wonderful life. >> a little gay. he was famous. kelsey grammer is a different story. you get home and kelsey grammer is somebody different. she's said quite a few ugly things and it's not so bad that she says them public live but i know that what happens is she's actually saying them in front of kids at home. >> what's been the worst thing, the most hurtful thing she said about you? >> well, you know, i haven't been keeping track of everything. >> if there's one that you think about, what is the thing that really stunned you? >> what do you hate being called the most? what's the most unfair labelling? >> she once said that i didn't want my daughter. that pissed me off. >> it would, wouldn't it? the one thing i sense with you is you're a very committed father. you've been a fairly hopeless husband from time to time and some have been pretty useless wives but you've throughout it been a very conscientious, loving father. so that kind of thing must really hurt you. >> the thing that she said that hurt me the most, that hurt both kate and me actually, was the thing about the child we lost. >> because kate was pregnant -- >> something about it being karma. >> that's just a vicious thing to say. >> it's disgusting. so i guess that's all i have to say. >> let's have a break. let's make things happier here. let's bring things up to current day and to your new wife, kate. you finally went british. as i said at the start of this interview, if you'd just gone british earlier, kelsey, you could have saved yourself a lot of aggravation. ish you guys had layaway -- well... 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"cheers" is appropriate. we've come up to the point in interview where things take a happier turn. you're on a flight to new york? from england where were you flying when you met kate? >> i was on a flight to england from los angeles. >> and it's a virgin atlantic flight. she's a stewardess, one of richard branson's beautiful stewardesses. i've been on many flight and there have been many beautiful stewardesses. none of them have given me a second look. what magic did you weave? because kate is a beautiful lady. >> i'd had a heart attack three years ago. it was about a month after the heart attack my mother died and i had just a horrible day with the ex threatening divorce again and screaming about how it was all over and i thought my mother just died, what's wrong with you? and i suddenly realized and i said this before to a press person and they actually said -- i'll say it first. i said to myself in my head i looked at my life and i thought is this the last story you want your life to tell? and i said no. now granted it took me about another two years. but about a year and a half after that moment camille started seeing somebody. i even encouraged it. i thought go find your happiness because you are not happy with me. and that's where i was. and i was doing that show. i got this phone call are you interested in playing george, come to england and see what you think of the production. and i knew the minute i got that phone call that my life was going to change completely and that i was -- that something else was happening. and when i walked through l.a.x., i spotted a girl -- >> it's like a movie script. >> it was amazing. i spotted a girl that just looked to me to be magnificent. it wasn't just that she was attractive or that she had, you know, obvious assets. there was a warmth, a glow about her that i was drawn to. and i thought, boy, i hope she's on my flight. and when we got on the plane, she sort of walked down the other aisle and i went she's there, i hope she's like working on my side of the plane. and then there was this one moment where we sort of smiled at each other. and i thought i've got to talk to her and so we started talking -- >> did she know who you were? >> i think she knew who i was but she didn't know who i am. i found her so charming and warm and interesting and lovely and i guess there was a sort of freshness about my persona at the time that was attractive enough to her to think it would be worth meeting for a cup of coffee. as i walked down through the lobby of the hotel i was in, i turned and looked at the bar and thought that's just a pickup joint. that's not the right place for us to have this moment. and so i walked to the middle of the street, it was christmas. it was magnificent. there were lights everywhere. there was a nip in the air and this vision comes up from the stop in front of harvey nichols and puts on a little lipstick and i thought, oh, my good, she's the cutest thing i've ever seen. i said, listen, i want to just go take a walk, it doesn't feel right to be in there. we took a walk over to hyde park. they had this christmas fair thing going on. there was a ferris wheel. >> i know exactly what you're talking about. i know that fair. >> we got on the ferris wheel and i looked at her and i thought -- i have to go back for one second. for the last several years i had been saying to one particular friend of mine, i said i don't care if i ever have sex again. i just want to be kissed. i want someone to kiss me again in my life and mean it. and i looked at her in that moment and i thought i'm going to try. >> well, don't leave it there. >> i told you i wouldn't cry. she's going like -- so i leaned in and kissed her and we've been to the ever since. >> it's one of the most romantic things i've ever heard. >> the snow started to fall as we walked across the street together. it was insane, like all the planets had danced together on our behalf. it was messy, it was difficult since then. kate was uncertain, i was trying to do some noble gesture to make the destruction of the marriage, the previous marriage go easier somehow and that was a mistake. that was just a mistake. i should have walked home and said we're done, you can finally have everything you wanted and i found a new life. >> i mean, it takes a strong woman to put up with all the mess that was around your life outside. >> absolutely. >> and to stick with it and to end up marrying you, fourth wife. you're not like an easy sell to a family, you know. what is it about her you think that enabled her to deal with all this? 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>> i feel great actually. i hear horror stories about early pregnancy and it's been a breeze for me so i'm one of the lucky ones. >> when you look at yourself, do you feel irritated, do you feel proud? do you feel it's a different time, a different world? what do you feel? >> i feel like across the years it's been like mixed emotions. right when i finished the show i was really ready to prove i was hillary duff and i started singing and doing a lot of things to separate myself. now as i'm older and i have accomplished so much and people know me as hillary and not lizzie,now i embrace where i came from. it was such a massive show and affected so many people and made me who i was. i would not have my career now without that. so it's more funny i think now that i'm older to look back and see it and not feel irritated. >> is it a curse? because when you're a child star at 13, it must all seem incredibly exciting. and then there comes that moment when you just really want to grow up and people don't want you to. you're kind of stuck there until you can break out. >> what i turned about 18 or 19, i was really ready to stop being seen in this like perfect light. and i really -- it's just not in my personality to go rail against who i am and do something outrageous so people -- >> normally what happens when people get to 19 they go completely crazy. we have the drugs, the booze, the sexual exploits in vegas. what happened to you? >> you know what, it's just not in my character. i fought really hard to prove that there's a different way. it might have been a more slow and steady route but i think i figured it out. >> how do you avoid it? you're getting all this money, all this fame. for a young person i always think it's incredibly difficult. it never surprises me when young people go off the rails when they become really famous. when i was 18, 19, i remember what i was like. i was having a crazy time with no money and no fame. add those two cocktails to the list. it would have been a disaster. i totally understand it. >> you know what, the thing is i had a very strict -- my mom gave me a lot of freedom but she didn't -- i didn't get to behave a certain way. i showed up on time for work and she made me aware constantly that this is a job and there are, you know, 2,000 other girls ready to take your spot as soon as you're not sponsor you're disrespecting people or getting too big for yourself, she was very adamant about that. >> you came to hollywood with your mom when you were 9. >> yes, and my sister. >> did your mom always have this inkling you had what it took? >> i don't think so. i think every parent thinks their kid is adorable and perfect and could be on tv, but my sister and i really showed interest in this and dedication and she's like how can i tell my kids no, you know. it's the same as kids that are going into sports. parents support them and push them and it was kind of just like that. >> do you feel you missed out on anything. >> of course, yeah. >> what do you feel that you missed out on? >> stupid things like passing notes in school and having a locker and riding the bus. really stupid things. but at the time i felt once i started touring and my life -- it was -- you're very isolated. >> it can be lonely, can't it? >> it is, absolutely. i lost a lot of my friends. i was on a totally different playing field than anybody else. i grew up a lot faster and it put me in a different place but i wouldn't trade it. i had this amazing life and these amazing experiences at a young age. i was good at separating that and being like they get this and i get this. >> if your little boy gets to about 8 or 9 and says, mommy, i want to be star. >> no. >> how can you stop it? >> it's so hard. you know, people automatically -- my husband's a hockey player and they automatically assume the baby's going to be born with skates on or like it's going to be in the spotlight right away. i don't think there's a way to stop it. i think kids know what they want but i just pray to good that's not what he wants. >> why would you be so concerned? >> from when i started to now, the industry is so different. i mean, there's such an obsession with people's private lives that i really don't think was there before. the paparazzi wasn't as bad. and these shows about digging into people's lives and wanting to embarrass everybody and show that we're human beings, too, it's just so invasive and it's just a different business than it used to be. >> what is the least perfect thing about you? i was really struggling to find anything. >> you know, the public really has this perception of me that i'm perfect. and it's just so crazy because -- >> you nearly are. i mean, i couldn't find anything. normally my journalistic are brilliant. i latch on to some tiny chink in the perfect armor. the angel, holo slips. for you the holo is on your head. >> supposedly i've feuds and i dunaway something mean. >> i missed that. >> what did you call her. >> i don't want to get back into this. i can't believe you didn't find it though, piers. >> what did you call fay dunaway. >> remind me. it slipped my halo. >> i don't want to bring it up again. >> how bad was it. >> you can google it. >> save me the time. >> i don't know you that well. >> we'll have a little break. >> you're going to google it. >> we'll come back and talk fay dunway. should never have mentioned that. my doctor told me calcium is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. [ male announcer ] we're not employers or employees. not white collar or blue collar or no collars. we are business in america. and every day we awake to the same challenges. but at prudential we're helping companies everywhere find new solutions to manage risk, capital and employee benefits, so american business can get on with business. ♪ first sight? >> i'll let you know. >> but i've seen you before. >> yes. >> how could i have seen you before and not know who you are now? >> maybe you were looking but you weren't really seeing. >> that was hilary duff in a cinderella story that made more than $70 million worldwide. not bad. >> not too shabby. >> not as much as you made from your music and your books. you've made a lot of money, haven't you? >> i have. >> staggering sums of money. how rich are you? >> my mom taught me not to talk about money. >> give me a ballpark? >> really, no way, huh-uh. i have done quite well. >> back to faye dunaway. i had no idea about this. basically you were up for the remake of bonnie and clyde and faye dunaway shoves her four pennies worth in and says i wish they were looking for a real actress. i suppose most young actresses thought that's faye dunaway, i'd better be respectful. it you piled in big-time and said to her -- >> no you can read off your blackberry. >> you basically said if you looked like faye dunaway, you would be feeling pretty angry too. >> do you like that? >> i love that that was fantastically bitchy. i loved it. did it have the desired effect? >> she came back and said i never made that comment and blah, blah, blah. it really got a lot of press when i said that because i have been a punching bag and i understand why i could have been. >> you thought enough. >> there's no reason why people can say comments and expect no retaliation. i mean, why would she say that to me? >> he probably doesn't know -- >> i couldn't agree more. now, you've married an incredibly wealthy hand some sporting superstar. what attracted you to him? >> you know, he's an amazing guy. and i'm still lucky to have met him and to have found someone i'm so compatible with. we have such a normal relationship and household. and it's so great compared to stepping outside and kind of what our everyday is. >> how many terrible frogs did you have to kiss? >> quite a few. we were just talking about our lists earlier today. we tease each other all the time. it's such a funny thing. >> do you have the worst list? >> him by far. come on. >> you went out with two other famous people, joel madden and aaron carter. is it a good idea to go out with somebody famous. >> does it work do you think to the benefit or are there negatives. obviously you attract more attention. i guess they know the kind of circus that you're in. >> i think that's the positive part is understanding the lifestyle and how difficult it is. you really have that in common. and for a while, i mean, when i was younger, those were the only people i was meeting. that was my world. how am i supposed to meet a normal guy. that's what really attracted me to my husband was that he kind of gets it because he's in the sports world and they get a bit of that, but we have -- we had different lives but things in common. and it was great for me to not. >> blinded by this ring on your finger. let me see this. >> it's one of the biggest rocks i have ever seen. that was your engagement ring. >> didn't you have kim kardashian on the show? >> it's way bigger. >> don't put it away so soon. that is huge. >> it's pretty good. >> is that what he gave you as an engagement ring? >> yes, it's really beautiful and i look at it still and i can't believe it's mine. i almost fainted when i saw it. >> you're writing a book curiously about divorce. >> i planned on it writing a book on divorce, and i changed my mind. so. >> really? >> yeah, i have. i had my parents went through a very nasty divorce. and i didn't talk to my dad for a long time. and our relationship has gotten a lot better and we're in a really good place. i just don't feel like the need for that anymore. >> good for you. >> yeah. it's a really good place for me. >> so this is devoted, tell me quickly about this before we go. >> it's about a young photojournalist who is -- her father disappears. she's traveling across the world trying to unravel the mystery of what happened to him. and in the meantime, she finds -- she falls in love with this mysterious man that's from a past life. there's lots of other elements but it has a paranormal aspect. >> did you write these. >> yes. >> quite unusual for a child star. >> i do. not to write them but i have a cowriter, her name elise allen. i trimmed up this whole story and these characters and the plot and when i met with my publishers i'm like okay, you know i stopped going to school in the middle of third grade. i don't know how to have the confidence to do this. i know i have a strong story but how do i get from pen to paper and just start