Expert as if he were a political opponent. The president s education secretary could not answer a basic question about whether schools should follow the cdcs guidelines to reopen. This morning, a source close to the Coronavirus Task force tells dr. Sanjay gupta a lot of schools probably should not open. Joining us is cnn chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. Sanjay, i know you spoke to dr. Fauci over the weekend. He has read these attacks, this Opposition Research put out by the white house on him. What is his reaction . I think its very disspiriting for him. Most of all, hes a public servant. Hes bebeen doing that for 40 years. The briefings going away and outofsight, outofmind sort of thing. Not that anybody is mad at him but dont want to see him because he reminds them of this problem, but that transitioned as you point out to the much more overt sort of attacks and trying to go back and find interviews thats done in the past and say hey, this is where he got it wrong. This is where he got it wrong. Thats wheat theyre spending their time doing as opposed to dealing with the numbers on the right side of the screen. Let me give you one quick example. I dont know if we have this still of some of an interview they wanted to show the white house wanted to show about dr. Fauci to show that he got it wrong, but they selectively cut it. Let me show you at least what the white house has put out. Should we be changing or habits . At this moment, there is no need to change anything youre doing on a daybyday basis. Thats what they put out and say look, here is an example. Dr. Fauci back end of february said no need to do anything, no need to change anything on a daybyday basis but what they dont show you and this is true over and over again, with some of the Opposition Research, is the complete context of what he said. So let me show you the rest of that. Now the risk is still low, but this could change. Ive said that many times, even on this program. Youve got to watch out, because although the risk is low now, you dont need to change anything youre doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread. We learned all along, you know, new things with regard to this virus. Its a novel coronavirus, but i think that even back then, again, this is the end of february, if we see community spread, here are the things that then need to happen. If we have this idea of wanting to reopen states, here are the criteria that need to be followed. So all these things that needed to be done, that if had they been done wed be having a different conversation right now, were not done and i think dispiriting is probably the right word. Here we are focusing on these things, im having this conversation with you today about this Opposition Research to dr. Fauci, as opposed to real plans Going Forward, which exist and have been demonstrated in countries around the world. Florida had more cases yesterday than south korea had throughout this entire pan demme pick. Its possible to be in a very different place. We need to get there. And by the way, sanjay, we dont need to look to other countries. Look at the states. In this country that have done it well. New york, this weekend, new york city reported not a single death. So what used to be the place where hospitals were overrun, where every day we were dealing with so much death, zero. Connecticut on friday as well as last tuesday reported zero deaths. So again, even in our own country, places that have gone from being hot spots to now we could follow the model and because i live there, i can tell what you the model is. You are looked at, you are eyed with alarm if you walk out without a mask on in connecticut or new york right now. I mean, im not saying that people people dont like shout you down, but you definitely see alarm in their eyes. So everybody is wearing a mask right now. There are responsible models that we could follow right now. Yes. It becomes the norm, and it works. Thats the other thing. I mean, as gloomy as the news is, as frightening as this virus is, we know that ultimately, its just a small strand of rna that could be easily contained by a mask, cant jump that far and by doing basic Public Health measures you could be having a different conversation. We could be talking about sports this fall, we could be talking about schools reopening in a safe way that makes sense across the country this fall. Were not able to have that conversation, because the very idea, the very notion of possibly having to shut down again is something nobody wants, but at the same time, in many of those places, people arent doing the things to prevent that from happening. So its really getting to be a source of frustration, i think, amongst just about everyone i talk to. I spent all weekend talking to Public Health officials in many states around the country, saying give me some good news. Give me something that i can sink my teeth into here and the good news is that there is a way out. Were not dealing with some complex equation here that no one has quite solved yet. Weve solved it. Just got to implement it now. There is a way out. The way out isnt to attack dr. Fauci with Opposition Research or quote Chuck Woolery. Eight clear thats not the way out. I spoke to mayor francis suarez. He said its not in control in miamidade county, which is alarming, this morning. And i also asked him about his considerations on new stayathome orders. What would the Tipping Point be . He said when the hospitals are overrun, when they dont have any more capacity and were starting to see some icu hospitals in miamidade, seven of them have reached capacity. I watched the interview. I think hes being very thoughtful. I still have to say, you get behind the curve on this and wait for the hospitals to reach capacity, and youve waited too long at that point, because then youre going to run into the crisis situation where people who otherwise would benefit from care, benefit from being in a hospital wont be able to get one, get a hospital bed. So i understand where hes going with that and i heard similar sentiments from other mayors in texas and arizona. The problem is that, that is sort of waiting too late. If you want to start to put data on it and go back and look at some of the original evidence in templ terms of the way this needs to be handled, if you have a five day in a row increase, the same increase of community spread, that should be a signal you have to dial things back. Maybe not necessarily close things down again but dial things back, maybe closing some things down again. So its a tough thing to say hey, look, well wait until we basically have gone over our Hospital Capacity and then start to make a difference, because theres so much inertia in terms of the virus thats built up in the community at that point, i think it becomes hard to dial it back. Youll have tragic stories, some of which we saw in northern italy, just a few months ago where people could not get into the hospital, that would have been saved who otherwise died. So we just cant run into that situation here. Sanjay, i want to go back to dr. Fauci for a second. Hes going to the white house today. We got word there are meetings thats going to the white house for. I know you spoke to him over the weekend. Over the weekend, dr. Fauci i think also said the most unvarnished thing yet about why he hasnt been on television much. He said he has the reputation for speaking the truth, which may be why he hasnt been on tv lately, and look, his Approval Ratings are probably, almost three times as high as President Trumps who americans trust, and i just wonder, does he fear at all if he might lose his job . I think its a very fair question. I think he very much wants to stay in the job and im purposely being careful here, because it is one of these situations now, right, where i think i do believe i think just as a citizen that having a guy of his scientific experience and capabilities and the job is really important for us, im talking about from a humanity sort of standpoint so i think the idea the National Academies and all the big medical organizations are rushing to his defense says something here. Theyre speaking with one voice. Public Health Community doesnt always speak with one voice but with regard to fauci, they are. I think the meetings at the white house are a signal that he does very much want to stay on the job and sort of say hey, what gives here, guys . How is this going to play out Going Forward . So hes going to have meetings with people. Thats coming from outside reporting. I knew that, but i think his desire is not to try and leave the job. Its to stay in it and figure out the best way to do than. We heard betsy davos not answering questions from dana bash about how schools will reopen. Youve done reporting from people inside the u. S. Government give you their sense of when and only when schools should be reopening. Yes. What has become increasingly clear, and i talked to Administration Officials about this also over the weekend. We interviewed dr. Redfield this past week, i saw the interview with education secretary davos over the weekend. Weve seen the basics in terms of trying to keep kids six feet apart, which is very, very challenging in some of the School Districts that dont have the square footage, mask, hand washing stations, some Testing Available on site. What is it going to take within the community to understand whether or not schools should open . Every community is different and what were hearing and this again goes back to the evidence that was presented a few months ago was that youd like to have these communities already have demonstrated a 14day downward trend and i know that that maybe just makes peoples eyes glaze over at this point. If you have a 14day downward trend, you got to a low enough absolute number of cases per day in your community that its manageable, that you can then test, isolate, trace, all the things that weve been talking about, and on the flipside of that is that if you have a fiveday increasing trend of cases that, probably means you need to resert bavert back to t earlier phase. Schools will have to close if they already reopened, this is the basic data thats been out there for some time and data these sorts of guidelines that have worked in other countries around the world. Other countries have had these stutter starts, started opening schools, had to close them down again because they were following this data and as a result theyve been able to keep their case counts low. Dr. Sanjay gupta, thank you very much. We really appreciate all of the information, sanjay. You got it, thank you. Why is President Trump going after dr. Fauci and the cdc . What is the president s plan as the virus gallops through 35 states this morning . We discuss with john harwood at the white house, next. No matter where you live, where you live has never mattered more. For over 100 years, realtors® have been providing expert guidance, helping people find new places to dream and thrive. When youre ready. Look for the r. At this hour, more than 135,000 americans have died from coronavirus. More than 3. 3 million cases in the u. S. And counting as the pandemic worsens, the white house is taking aim at discrediting dr. Anthony fauci and the president is promoting statements from Chuck Woolery the Game Show Host that the cdc is lying about the pandemic. Joining us now, cnn white house correspondette john harwood. Im trying to figure out a strategy and bear with me here. Almost like this is the mel brooks film the producers where theyre trying to produce a broadway flop here, going out of their way to make a failing response to the pandemic and politically speaking going after dr. Fauci and promoting Chuck Woolery seems springtime for hitler in the producers movie. What is the strategy . Why are they doing this . There is no strategy, john. This stems from the impulses the pathology of the president of the United States. To say donald trump is trying to discredit Anthony Fauci with respect to coronavirus is sort of like me saying im going to it discredit lebron james on the basketball court. Its not possible. What we have the difference between donald trump and Anthony Fauci is this, and yes, both have said Different Things at different times about the coronavirus. Anthony fauci has changed his position on some things like mask wearing and whether people needed to change their behavior. Weve been watching the clips all morning. But its the difference between someone who is experienced, who is capable, who is public spirited, who is adjusting his views in response to the facts for the benefit of his fellow citizens, with someone, im talking about the president now, who doesnt know what hes doing, not honest and cares about no one else other than himself. If you look at the results in the United States as compared to other countries, which also had a terrible problem, but then have crushed the virus, theres no other conclusion you can reach but that the incompetence of the Trump White House has lit the country on fire and what the president is doing is retweeting a Game Show Host saying the cdc is lying and talking about how joe bidens ratings are down. He had his economic adviser on the Television Show saying its the chinese communists who have done this to us. It is madness, but what were seeing in the polling and the evaluations of the president and his matchups against joe biden is that a significant majority of the country is now recognizing that its madness. So john, whats the president s plan . What is the president or the white houses plan to get hospitalizations under control, get deaths under control, get those 35 states that are spiking this morning under control . Wait, is that a serious question, alisyn . Yes, john, it is. Im truly asking forget the president. How about the white house . You know that he has no plan. Does the white house have a plan . Look well, what we have is a situation where a large percentage of the government is trying to work around the president as if hes not there. So yes, the cdc, despite the president tweeting a Game Show Host smear against it is trying to do its job. It put out guidelines on reopening schools, although we saw the president s education secretary yesterday would not embrace in any serious way those guidelines. You have Anthony Fauci trying to do his job at nih and in the Infectious Disease division of nih. So yes, there are people who are working very hard, members of the task force, to try to get information, to try to coordinate with states, to try to remedy some of the holes in the administrations response, but weve seen that the problem is, if you do not have coordinated leadership from the top, it is very difficult to be effective, and clearly the federal government has not been effective, and states which follow the lead of this president have also not been effective. So it is a very difficult situation, its not clear exactly how we get out of it, other than the fact that you do have local officials and state officials who do have a connection, a close connection to their constituents, and at the end of the day, are going to have to take actions that reflect the reality of the situation they find themselves in. Thats why you see people like Governor Greg Abbott of texas having reversed some of the reopenings, ron desantis in florida a very trumpy governor, followed the president s lead about reopening quickly now paying a big price for it but he is reacting. Ultimately politicians have to respond to their constituents, the closer they are to the ground the more responsive they are. We covered president ial campaigns before, political campaigns before. Usually when Opposition Research is dumped, its done anonymously. In this case, the white house, again, this isnt the president , this is a coordinated effort, the white house wanted us to know that they were attacking Anthony Fauci. Thats one part of it i still cant get my arms around there, john. They wanted us to know they were attacking fauci. Why . I cant figure out why they would want to do that. The president s obviously tried to sort of play both sides on this, and diminish the prominence of fauci without openly going to war with him, but the problem is, the facts are so at odds with what the president is saying that he doesnt have much choice but to go to war against the science, go to war against the truth, go to war against the facts, and try to hope that in all the confusion and fog that that creates, that people have difficulty ascribing who is actually at fault. Again, the country is on fire. The president sort of waving his arms around and casting blame in various places. Whether or not people are going to be confused by that, i suppose is an open question, but they havent been confused so far. John harwood, thank you for trying to tackle all of our questions. Is that a serious question . Wait. Are you go being serious . Yes, the plan, just the plan, yes, that was the question. All right. So a battle over how to deal with a soaring number of new coronavirus cases in georgia. The mayor of atlanta joins us next. L customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need . Given my unique lifestyle, thatd be perfect let me grab a pen and some paper. Know what . Im gonna switch now. Just need my desk. My chair. And my phone. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 49i found you good job. Now im gonna stay here and you go hide. Watch your favorites from anywhere in the house with the Xfinity Stream app. Free with your xfinity service. Now any room can be a tv room. Stream live tv, on demand shows and movies even your dvr recordings. Download the Xfinity Stream app today to stream the entertainment you love. Xfinity. The future of awesome. One of the first states to open was in late april, they shattered a record over the weekend and more than 3,000 people there have died. Joining us now is Atlanta Mayor keisha lance bottoms. Thank you for being with us. Lets start with you. How are you and your husband and your family doing after testing positive . Thank you for having me and thank you for asking. We are doing so much better. My husband really was the one who had the most severe symptoms and its feeling a lot better, just still very fatigued but this, we are a good example of how quickly this virus spreads. We have one child in the who house who is asymptomatic. My husband doesnt have any Underlying Health conditions and this has hit him really hard. He is on the mend . I understand he lost alarming amount of weight. 20 pounds in less than a week. Ive never seen someone sleep as much as he slept. The alarming sound he was sleeping nonstop, and once we were tested again, because we were getting routine testing, we realized that three of us were positive. It took us eight days to get our testing, our previous testing. At that point we had an asymptomatic child in the house and certainly had we known we had someone in the house who was asymptomatic, we would have taken all due precautions, but this is the issue that we are having across this country, and its the reason we cannot get to the other side of this virus. Mayor, you, as the mayor of atlanta, had to wait eight days for your test results . I did. And i checked every single day, and at some point, again, when i realized that my husband was sleeping quite a bit, i decided to get us tested again, and the only reason i had been tested was because a tended another large funeral and i made a commitment that i would get tested each time i was in a larger gathering, although i was still wearing a face mask, and if it took my family eight days to get its results, i can only imagine whats happening with people across this country. And mayor, when your husband was sleeping so much, that must have been scary. Was there a time you worried you might have to go to the hospital . Absolutely. Absolutely, and it was even scarier because he said he couldnt even articulate what was wrong. He just didnt feel well, and he literally couldnt complete a conversation without dozing back off, falling asleep, and my husband is not one to lay down easily, and so thats when i knew that something was off, and thats why i got us and thankfully, we were able to get tested again and through Emery University able to receive our test results on the same day. Oh my gosh, i mean, your family has just become exhibit a as you say of what so many families around the country are having to endure in terms of lack of information and then getting sick, and so i mean, its sxwrjust saz yoas you said tweet hit home for you. Youre trying to figure out what to do with atlanta. On wednesday, you issued an executive order for a mask mandate which stands to reason weve seen it work other places, but the governor spokesperson said, like all of the local mask mandates, mayor bottoms order is unenforceable. We continue to encourage georgians to do the right thing and wear a mask voluntarily. Why is your order of a mask unenforceable . Well the governor believes that what he has signed trumps everything that we can do locally, but having this mask mandate gives us a lot of power to enforce it, specifically in buildings and places that the city owns and operates. For example, atlanta, Hartsfieldjackson International Airport is owned and operated by the city, so to evening able to enforce a mask mandate in the airport is significant. It is one of our largest job centers in the state and certainly full of passengers each and every day, and so the irony of it is that the governor has been on this tour, so he claims, across the state encouraging people to wear masks. He did not push back against the city of savannah, but when atlanta issued its mask mandate, he took exception with it, and only he can speak to his motives, but i think that its unfortunate that when we know that the science says that wearing a mask is one of the easiest ways to stop the spread, that we have the leader of our state taking exception with it. On friday, you went further. You issued an executive order to roll back atlanta from phase two, back to phase one. The governor also didnt like that. Heres what he said. Once again, if the mayor actually wants to flatten the curve in atlanta, she should start enforcing state restrictions, which she has failed to do. Do you have a response to what youre not enforcing . I have no idea what hes referencing as his office has not told us what were not referencing. We are following data and science and metrics in atlanta, and so we convened an Advisory Committee a few months ago, and this Advisory Committee was populated by people who work with fortune 500 companies, small businesses, health care professionals, and it was so that we would have guidelines in atlanta, because at some point, it became abundantly clear that our state as a whole was not following science data and metrics and if you recall our governor said he had just learned that this virus could be spread through asymptomatic transmission. I think he referred to it as a game changer and we were really into this pandemic at this point. So with the advice of the advisory commission, it takes away any subjective analysis that i would have on how we move forward. We followed the data and the science, and the data and the science said we needed to go back to phase one, which is a stayathome order. It is simply recommendations for people who actually care about data and science, but thankfully many businesses are following those recommendations. Lets look forward in terms of politics now. All eyes on former Vice President joe biden to see who he will pick for his Vice President , and you were asked about this, i think, over the weekend, and i just want to play what you said. Im a leader, and i believe that when you are searching for a Vice President ial candidate, you need someone who is able to lead in a crisis. It sounds like you would like the job. Is that right . To the extent that people are discussing whos being vetted, i certainly stand ready to answer any questions about that, but i have a very big job in front of me leading atlanta, but if im asked, then i will respond, and my response remains the same. I am a leader with proven leadership. That being said, the decision will be left up to Vice President biden and i trust he will make the decision that is best for our country as a whole. Have you had conversations with him or with his campaign about it . Well, i endorse Vice President biden over a year ago so im in Constant Contact with the campaign, and so my speaking with the campaign on a weekly basis is nothing out of the ordinary. Have you filled out any paperwork or been officially vetted . Im going to refer all questions about any type of that process to the biden campaign. Understood. Mayor k yoor keisha lance botto thank you. We hope your husband is on the mend. Thanks for sharing your personal story. Its frightening and i think it speaks to a lot of people. Thank you for having me. A fire aboard a Navy Battleship is burning out of control at this hour. What were learning about the possible cause here. Developing this morning, crews continue to battle fire on board the uss Bonhomme Richard at the naval base in san diego. 21 people were hurt in the fire and explosions. Cnns Barbara Starr live at the pentagon with the latest. The pictures here really frightening, barbara. They are indeed, john, and the pentagon saying that five sailors this morning in san diego still do remain in the hospital there. The fire broke out yesterday and apparently spread very hot and very quickly. They rushed to get all 160 people off the ship, which they were thankfully able to do. The initial reports are the fire broke out in what is called the well deck, underneath at the bottom of the ship, where on this amphibious ship small vehicles that go out to sea go to a beach, come back, they go back and forth from that well deck. The ship was in port for maintenance. The smoke continuing to spread. Firefighters on board also dropping water from helicopters. Authorities say the smoke is not a danger to civilians in san diego. They have moved two other nearby warships to different piers to get them out of the way. A Top Navy Admiral says they hope to repair the ship, get it back out to sea eventually, but when you look at these pictures, the damage is so significant, its hard to see how they will quickly be able to do that. These amphibious ships a significant part of u. S. Naval power. They carry marines around the world. Their job is mainly to put marines on the beach in the worlds hot spots if it comes to that but they are also because they sore large and have so much room often used in humanitarian operations. Alisyn . Barbara, thank you very much. Please keep us posted on that. So while florida was setting the National Record for new coronavirus cases, disney world reopened. It welcomed thousands of visitor this is weekend but it was not quite what they expected. Cnns Christine Romans has more. What was it like, christine . There were far fewer people there, about 25 capacity, and that was on purpose. Disney is trying to make sure people can social distance, they can wear masks and communicate with everyone and make sure there are no problems. The idea here, this is a place youre supposed to be happy and carefree and optimistic and sunshiny in the midst of a pandemic that has killed so many people in this country, and those case counts there are going up so dramatically. Theyre opening at exactly the time when the top story in florida is this raging coronavirus problem. Look, if youre riding the pirates of the caribbean ride youll see empty rows, carefully spacing people out on the rides. There will be temperature screenings on the way in. Your little girls wont be able to have their picture taken with a disney princess, have to be six feet away or with chewbacca or the storm troopers. There will be distancing between the cast members and visitors as well. No parades, no fireworks. Diehard disney fans felt disappointed by that but mostly hearing from people who have been in the park theyve never seen so few people there and feel this is a once in a life time situation. Magic kingdom and Animal Kingdom in florida are open. Epcot and Hollywood Studios are scheduled to open wednesday, a different experience. There are those who are asking mostly on social media, people who havent been to disney in the past couple days and dont intend to who are saying is this the right time . Are we sending the right message when you have such a dire Public Health situation and you have a big major Multinational Corporation thats trying to get out there and show that it can safely reopen for entertainment reasons. Alisyn . Part of the picture you painted sounds fantastic, being able to go to disney world for once with few crowds and you know, not long lines. Part of that sounds wonderful. On the flipside, has disney talked about what their trigger would be, what does the number have to hit in florida for them to rethink this and maybe shut it down . Theyre not giving a number like that. Their point is that theyre going to try to show they can safely reopen. The brand new head of parks told cnn look, this is the new normal, and they are going to sort of stage into this, phase into this to show what you can do in the new normal, to be open, to be open safely. The search tour screenings at the front gate and for all the people who work there, 75,000 people work at this location. Its a remarkably big operation. There were reports over the weekend of some people feeling uncomfortable when the line was getting too crowded, but disney is saying their most important factor is the communication with guests. The guests have to wear a mask. People who work there have to wear a mask. You have to stay six feet apart. Theyre going to stage manage the experience so that you are not jostling with a lot of people like you used to. Really interesting. Christine romans, thank you very much. So these past months have been a big challenge for parents. How do you juggle your work life and kids at home and kids with their Remote Learning . Our next guest believes parents are going to have to make a very tough choice soon. Im searching for info on options trading, and look, it feels like im just wasting time. Thats why Td Ameritrade designed a firstofitskind, personalized education center. Oh. Their awardwinning content is tailored to fit your investing goals and interests. And it learns with you, so as you become smarter, so do its recommendations. So its like my streaming service. Well except now youre binge learning. See how you can become a smarter investor with a personalized education from Td Ameritrade. Visit tdameritrade. Com learn if you are a working parent who has been trying to work from home, i dont have to tell you how frustrating this time has been, with your kids around, trying to help them with Remote Learning, or whatever the hybrid model was that your school presented. It has been a very stressful time. Our next guest is a working mom. Shes dealing firsthand with the challenges of parenting during this pandemic. She wrote an opinion piece in the New York Times entitled requests in the covid19 economy, you can have a kid or a job. You cant have both. Joining us now is deb perlman. Great to see you and have you here. What do you mean, that people have to make a decision right now between parenting their kids or having a job. Its since march, were in this impossible situation where you can either home school your kids, for example my son needs to start sixth grade soon or pay your bills on time but you cant really do both. You cant keep a job and also school your kids properly. So im just curious which one were supposed to be doing. I think we already know which position will fire us first. And so you are a food blogger. You are used to working from home. Thats your job. So what changed for you suddenly when the schools shut . Well, am used to working from home so my daytoday didnt change but i had a lot more people in my home. As anybody who worked from home with kids over and around you, its actually impossible to work from home. I basically stopped working during the day because i needed to manage their home schooling and try to work until about 2 00 in the morning each night, and again, this is just a fraction of what i know other parents are dealing with. We felt we actually managed okay, but it wasnt great but i was thinking we are having this hard of a time, how does this work if youre an essential worker . What happens if you have a job that doesnt have flexibility . How are we going to survive this fall . I think what well be seeing is for a couple months, bosses in jobs might have been slightly more forgiving. A lot of people will tell you theyve already been pushed out of work. What happens in the fall . Well see a lot of compassion fatigue, where theres a lot less empathy towards working parents and i hear the, im getting a ton of email since i wrote the articles and dms and messages from overwhelmed parents trying to figure out, we have no idea what were going to do this fall. We dont know whats going to be expected of us, because were not going to find out how school is really going to be probably until late august. We cant tell our bosses whether well be there in september. Nobody knows. Such a great point. The lack of guidance, the lack of a plan, and what you often hear is that even if kids go back to school, there will be this hybrid plan. So they wont necessarily be at home all week, but they might be home some days of the week, or some hours of the day and i think what youre saying is that doesnt help. It doesnt help, and i dont expect the school to be a day care and i dont actually think that schools can come up with these solutions. Most schools are overcrowded, especially new york city. Thats why our school in particular, but i know a lot of them in the city have told us the kids are actually going to be home more often than at school. They dont have the space to expand. They dont have the budget to expand. They dont have the budget for supplies. I think were putting a lot of pressure on schools and its unfair because theyre doing their best. Theyre trying to keep their staff and teachers and the kids safe. I think we need to be moving our efforts up the chain. What we were kind of hoping to see at this point were that state governments and federal government will be stepping in and some way and infusing the schools with the money they need to make the changes that they have to make, or expand into open spaces, and instead, were being told its going to be exactly the way it was in march, but by september, when youve barely worked for six months, why would your job keep you on or you just not supposed to home school your kids . Are my kids not going to have kindergarten and sixth grade this year . Is that no longer a priority . Betsy devos was on cnn yesterday, the education secretary and she feels very strongly that all kids need to be back in schools. So let me play a little portion of that for you. There is nothing in the data that would suggest that kids being back in school is dangerous to them, and in fact, its more a matter of their health and wellbeing that they be back in school. Obviously, deb, that doesnt mention the health and wellbeing of the people around them, the teachers, who could get sick, the parents who they could bring sickness home to. What do you think . Yes. No, i dont think thats particularly helpful. I dont think that we just need to announce that schools should be open. Nobody nobody is advocating for schools to like not start. Teachers, everybody agrees that school is good for kids. They dont think its a matter of the philosophy. Its the matter of the reality and the matter of how you get ppeteachers. What happens when a Teacher Needs to quarantine . How is the teacher going to manage twothirds of her class outside the classroom and onethird in . Where is the space going to come from. What happens when kids dont want to wear a mask. So many questions are not answered and i hear from teachers and they have no idea how this is going to happen this fall and dont wish to walk into this fire, if they dont have to. Ive heard from a teacher, theyre saying were having these calls and meetings about School Reopening remotely. What does that tell you about the safety of school . Thats a great question, and so from all of your research and writing this, and from hearing from so many parents and teachers, what is the answer . Have you heard of any plan that you think could work . I mean, its interesting to see what theyre doing, and first you need to have an area that has flattened the curve and the numbers are down enough. Its not going to happen in some states at this point, but once youve done that, while you have a couple especially in new york where you have a couple more months left, can we look at tents in central park, can we look at the empty Javits Center . I wanted to speak from the working parent perspective, because im not an expert on schools. Im trying to listen and reflect what im hearing and it would be nice if we had a bailout, too. We bail out airlines. We bail out banks. Were trying to figure out which job we can do and how were going to do both and i hear from parents who are already being pushed out of their jobs or pushed into parttime, or they cant take the job that they were going to start this fall or they cant do were being pushed out of the workforce, because we dont have any kind of bailout protecting us. Could we have workplace protections . Could you have guaranteed paid leave if you need to home school your kids, because if you dont have some sort of paid leave, youre just not going to educate your children, and i think its crazy on a policy level that we would advocate for that. Really troubling stuff and you bring up so many valid points. Deb perelman, you are the creator of smittenkitchen. Com, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Thanks for having me on. Cnns coverage continues after this quick break, john. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Im so happy. brad apartmentsdotcom. The most popular place to find a place. 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