You have to consider a change at the top. Anthony scaramucci who served for 11 days as Communications Director for the white house and defended the president relentlessly on tv since then tells us that the president is giving people a license to hate and that Anthony Scaramucci lo nonger backs the president for reelection. He calls him out and says he will no longer support. Here are highlights. Last time i was in this chair with you, john, we were talking about the racially charged rhetoric that led to a whole twitter nonsense from the president. Obviously he then left to go to the two shooting areas. So now he comes back from the two shooting areas, that was a total catastrophe. The only thing he was doing in those areas is talking about himself and praising himself and crowd sizes. Just one day after the next, it gets worse and worse and worse. In the meantime, as you know, in a chair like this or inside your studio or elsewhere, i got fired two years ago and have tried to stay very loyal to him and very loyal to the agenda because i think the policies are very, very good for the American People, but the receipt li rhetoric is so charged and so divisive, we have to take a step back and say what are we doing. One thing i find reprehensible and the president continues to do this, and i think what will end up happening is, sound and reasonably minded men and women in the Republican Party will say, wait, we cant do this. He is giving people a license to hate, to provide a source of anger to go after each other, and he does it on his twitter account. So lets just stop for a second and think about this. We ignore it but he goes after people personally. Going after me personally, no problem, im a big boy. I can take it. Donny deutsch can take it. But he goes after individuals as the president of the United States on his twitter account, okay, which incites hate, which incites death threats. I mean, as some point i think the people in my party will have to look at all this stuff and stop being anesthetized to it and say what are we doing. The policies are great. The trade war thing is likely going to end up in an unexpected outcome. We can talk about that if you want. Lastly, how are we all tolerating this. To me, im just saying last week, arguably one of the worst weeks in his presidency again, im not talking about things that happen legislatively but the way hes acting as a human being. To me, a couple more weeks like this, i really do believe there will be a ground swell in the party where people say, hey, the policies are great, but youre set k us up the way jimmy carter set up the Democratic Party where they went into the wilderness for 40 years. Those are my opinions. Im very proud to state them. Listen, if you saw the chernobyl series, it did not end well. Were in the first two episodes now, lets see how this thing unfolds. Are you calling for a change at the top of the republican ticket . Im calling for it to be considered. I think you have to consider a change at the top of the ticket when someone is acting like this, someone is that lax, intellectual curiosity to take ideas from friends. To give an example, last week on this show you asked me specifically, do you still support the president. I did. I go on bill maher, do i still support the president , yes, i do. However, the racially charged comments, divisive tweeting, nonsense coming from the president is not helping the country. So if youre in a place in your mind where loyal people to you again, i was fired two years ago, pointed on the twitter, got that right, blah, blah, i to appreciate the president getting the 11 days right, so thank you, mr. President. Hes out there doing things and you cant give advice. If you Say Something one or two sentences off the mark of his support, i would tell his loyalists, loyalty is not blind obedience unless youre supporting a demagogue, so you dont want to ever be like that in your life. Anthony, last week when i asked if you supported and the answer is yes. This morning when i asked if youre calling for a change at the top of the ticket, you said it should be considered. Are you no longer this morning im a republican, so im not switching parties to support a democrat. I believe in the values and the policies of the Republican Party, but im now neutral on the president. Youre neutral on the president. Well see how he continues to act. Absolutely. You have to get into a neutral position. Anthony, i just dont want to pass this by. You are no longer an active supporter of President Trump and his reelection bid . Yeah. I think thats pretty obvious from over the weekend. Including using words like evil and talking about dangerous, it sounds like you are saying, anthony, that the president of the United States is a threat to the security of the United States. Is that what youre saying . Lets watch how this unfolds. I think that is starting to happen, john. As i said last night, if he continues like this over the next three or four weeks, it is a responsibility of people in the Republican Party, okay, to say, hey, man, we may need to put a relief pitcher in here. You pitched six strong innings but youre throwing it up against the backstop now. I really believe that. So there it is. Joining us now kaitlan collins, cnn white house coordinator, bin, a gold riga, chief legal analyst and producer of all kinds of hit television shows. Anthony scaramucci did work in the white house, he has been a supporter of the president for a long time. So there are a lot of people looking at this saying Anthony Scaramucci, 11 days in the white house, who cares, but its significant when a longtime supporter of the president goes on tv and says im done. An ally. President so long defending him on television since he left the white house two years ago. Pretty realistically hell call the president out on things but this is as far as hes gone. He said since hes been in this public feud with the president tweeting at him, he said hes gotten calls not only from trump allies and lawmakers on the hill but people who currently work inside the white house who agree with him that the president has gone a step too far in some of his recent comment. That being said, do any lawmakers come out publicly and agree with scaramucci, he said in the next three weeks he thinks were going to see a shift in that, i dont think so. Republicans havent broken with the president yet on anything hes done but well see. Hes defending the president up to friday night in the bill maher interview. I happened to watch that. He does walk a fine line. He says theres policies i support, when the president does something i dont support, ill call him out on it. Go to line was i stand by my friends, im close to him, i dont just drop people. What happened in 24 hours, people may be a bit more skeptical about this change in view of the president may question that. Weve gotten to know this president over 2 1 2 years. The rhetoric is not president ial, a lot of is is inciting what were seeing throughout the country and using words such as go back to the country you came from, shole countries, where was Anthony Scaramucci when this was happening. To say nothing of when he was claiming barack obama was born in kenya. The idea donald trump is new or his behavior is new is not realistic to me. However, i just would offer one word of caution that always seems appropriate. We always talk about turning points in Donald Trumps popularity, presidency and the polls never change of the polls never change. Hes there somewhere between 42, 38, 42, 45 popularity, which doesnt change whether its charlottesville, twoyear anniversary now, or Helsinki Press Conference or the failure of health care, nothing seems to change. Hes not very popular but its not that his popularity goes down. Its easy for people off the record to tell Anthony Scaramucci i agree with you, even those in the president s inner circle. I think things change when they become public. We havent seen that yet. He seems to think someone is going to come forward and Say Something. I have to say, im with you, its suspect. I dont see it happening at this point. Let me read you what he says. He said this in the interview but after the interview he went on twitter to emphasize again to those asking what took so long, youre right. I try to see best in donald trump based on personal interactions and policy line but his increasing rhetoric and damage its doing to the fabric of our society outweighs any shortterm economic gain. He basically said to me, kaitlyn, its just too much and called last week the worst week of the president. He cited the way he acted at the scenes of two Mass Shootings where the president was talking about crowd sizes or photo of smiling with the orphan. For people inside the white house who do still support the president and dont speak critically of him privately will be why is this happening now. Is this really what you thought was the worst . Actually the more things like that happen we saw last week, we talked to people in the white house who said they did not think that trip went well. They tried to plan it, didnt think it went great. Of course, its a more muted reaction from two years whaeng Something Like this happened. People in the white house, my god, what happened, people are texting about it. Now they shrug their shoulders. We weathered so many storms, whats this one going to make a difference. You have to wonder how much influence, how much sway does Athony Scaramucci have . He has no electoral votes. Hes not running. We learned that when you asked him. I do mean that realistically. How much sway does Anthony Scaramucci have . Even though people may agree with him in private, in terms of trying to get somebody to come out and Say Something beside him to support him. Lets see a republican elected official who has to face the voters in potentially a republican primary. When someone like that comes out against donald trump, then that will be Anthony Scaramucci has no electoral votes. He got no votes at all except his own. I think you make a very good point that, you know, hes interesting, hes a media figure. He is not someone who is answerable to a republican electora electorate. Again, i go back to friday night where he was Still Standing by the president. The picture from the hospital had already been put out. His trip had been criticized and some of the details coming out of his trip and commentary had been out there. Why Anthony Scaramucci had the change of heart. Many skeptics say did it happen to happen after the president tweeted at him. Im not saying it is but timing is suspect. Timing is there for us to see. Jeffrey epstein found hapgd in his jail cell. Jeffrey toobin, it is a betrayal of Jeffrey Epstein over the years, how can this happen . Scaramucci didnt address it directly but addressed the tone we hear from the United States. How can the president pedal conspiracy theories over the death. Several things. First, obviously, we have to look for facts. The only good thing you can say about a suicide in a place like the mcc is there are a lot of witnesses, theres closed circuit tv, people who had interaction with him. This is a fruitful place for investigation. I think between the fbi and inspector general, new york medical examiner who is doing the autopsy, we will know more facts. This is so ripe for speculation which leads to the president s unbelievably irresponsible and truly libelous tweet about the clintons. We struggle in the news media trying to be responsible. Do we even report what the president says because its something the president says, or do we apply journalistic standards and say these sorts of accusations are so beyond the pale that we shouldnt even talk about them. I dont know the answer to that dilemma. Also, this is a place where the president feels really comfortable. He questioned where obama was born. He claimed Obama Wiretapped trump tower. He asserted that ted cruzs father killed jfk. This is a president who is not a stranger to these conspiracy theories, floating them far enough where he can say he doesnt have responsibility for it, as with this. Hes just retweeting someone else suggesting the clintons are responsible for this. Of course, theres no basis for that. This is where the president feels comfortable. Whats interesting is his aides goal out and defend this and say he wants things to be investigated when hes putting false information out there. His supporters take things seriously. Thats where the problem is, the president using his platform to retweet a conspiracy, but its something weve seen from him time and time again. Its not surprising at all. Its also telling when the best outcome can be incompetence. When you have so many prosecutor theories out there circulated, retweeted by the president himself, its easy for me to say its so russian where people fall out of windows before their court date or have heart attacks left, right, and center. When people cant trust their own government, people have to speculate were there alternative possibilities as to why somebody died the way they did, i think that brings out a very dangerous side to this country because whether you like it or not, for the most part americans should have faith in the Justice System and it should be the president as the commander in chief who is encouraging that as opposed to retweeting conspiracy theories that are complete nonsense. We should know its a contradiction to his own administration has said. Attorney general bill barr puts out a statement saying he wants it investigated and the president is tweeting this going in line saying they want this to be investigated, it goes against what even his own Justice Department of is saying about this. Again, the president chose to do it. He could have been talking about efforts to battle gun violence, background checks. Thats the part that bugs me the most. Given the range of things and challenges in this country right now, this is what he chose to do. Jeffrey, bianna, kaitlan, thank you very much. Next, a member of congress that wants the senate to take up four measures that already passed the house. Stick around. And migraines a mo . Botox® prevents headaches and migraines before they even start. Botox® is for adults with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. Botox® injections take about 15 minutes in your Doctors Office and are covered by most insurance. Effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. Alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life threatening condition. Side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue, and headache. Dont receive botox® if theres a skin infection. 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When you have people fleeing, people taking their kids up to the United States trying to get in, its because they dont want their 8yearold kid to get recruited to a gang or their daughter to be raped. One of the stories was that if you have an 8yearold who is being told that if you dont come with me to see these horrible things or to these horrible things, were going to do these horrible things to your mom or your sister. Of course they will. Ettel just this coercion. In guatemala, Climate Change causing true starvation. One in two kids under five is severely malnourished. Theres violence against women who made huge numbers of young people be pregnant through incest an rape. It is just awful. When you see people coming up here i dont know what kind of malintent people are thinking its coming from but its true desperation and left me with such an amount of gratitude for where i was born and we have to look at this for the aid to the country, the role we need to play in the region and what were looking at from a longterm perspective how we see people coming to america. In fact, the Trump Administration scaled back on the Financial Assistance programs that were in place during the obama administration. Congresswoman, can you hear me . I lost the sound. We appear to have lost congresswoman katie hill here. Let me give one more second to get that back. I will note much of the Financial Assistance in place, the Trump Administration has scaled back on, congresswoman, i dont know if you can hear my question. I can now. Did you see the ripple effects of the removal of that Financial Assistance . Absolutely. There were some amazing programs that were help keeping people in country that have been cut and drastically reduced. What we heard over and over again from everyone from the fbi to intelligence agencies on the ground to Even Department of defense was saying we have to keep this funding going. Also, another miss conaccepting is the money is going to corrupt governments and its not. Its going to nongovernment organizations. Its going to our own agencies to help intercept drugs, to prevent gang violence, to target these really critical programs that can make an impact and are making an impact. The first thing to address the crisis is restore funding that has been cut, drastically reduced, put a hold on and that can make an impact right away. There was a mass shooting last week in el paso, also dayton, ohio. The one in el paso is believed to have targeted mexicans because of their race and ethnicity and because they were in the United States. The acting Homeland Security secretary Kevin Mcaleenan was on on and said the timing of the immigration raids targeting immigrant workers was unfortunate. He was asked about images of crying children whose parents were taken away. I want you to take a listen. They are here illegally. A lot of times theres additional fraud that goes with this to try to get these jobs in these countries. I understand the girl is up set, and i get that, but her father committed a crime. That was mark morgan, acting commissioner at u. S. Border protection saying the girls father committed a crime. Does that explain it away in your mind . No, i dont think so. I. C. E. Has limited resources and we really need to be focusing on the people truly committing crimes, crimes that are dangerous related to gang violence, related to we do know that gang members are coming across the border in certain numbers. Why are we not focusing on those deportations that should be happening, not the ones that are people just trying to work and, you know, take care of their families. This is the fundamental issue with immigration and how we need to be talking about it and looking at it in our country, youre right. Asylum under the traditional definition doesnt necessarily include people coming here for economic reasons, but i think one of the biggest things we need to do is expand Legal Immigration so people can do that legally. And you know, were looking at it all wrong as far as im concerned. I do want to ask you about the gun violence, again, that we saw last week with so many People Killed at the hands of weapons that some people in your party are calling for now bans on. What do you want to see happen . I know the house has already passed measures. The Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell is not taking up the measures passed by the house. Whats your reaction to that . The first thing is that the pressure has to be on the senate and on Mitch Mcconnell in particular to take up the four different measures we have already sent him that are sitting on his desk that can be voted on right away. In fact, were hearing that he says oh, we need to be writing these different measures or come back and reconvene and talk about what we should be doing. No, no, no. It already exists. We have four different bills. Hra, hr 1112, the violence against womens act, which theres no excuse for not passing and funding for 50 million in research to address the root causes of gun violence. Those need to be voted on right away and we need several steps further. On the house side we can be working on developing the next steps. On the senate side they need to take those votes. American people overwhelmingly supportive of those four pieces of legislation and i hope that the senate realizes that pressure exists. If not they will be held accountable at the polls. 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The strategy here, as much as impulse but hes promoted conspiracy theories before, most notably racist Conspiracy Theory about barack obama. During 2016 campaign he suggested the father of his primary rifle ted cruz was somehow involved in the kennedy adds nation. It comes two weeks after a report by an fbi office in phoenix, arizona warning about Conspiracy Theory driven extremists. When the president spreads these theories, hes not just asking question as Kellyanne Conway suggested but amplifying their mental from the bully pulpit of the white house and that leads some folks to believe it. Whats doubly shameful he has access to the worlds greatest Intelligence Service but apparently chooses to ignore them. Former attorney general of the United States said this, tweet was literally unfathomable. It would be outrageous even for a member of a local city council. It would. In some ways thats the point. Were getting used to holding the president of the United States to a lower standard than random city councilmember. You wouldnt take this from anyone in your life. Some people might be comforted that the president is contaped. One told jake tapper, quote, everyone at this point ignores what he says and does their job. The American People should take confidence in that. Thats only comforting if youre okay with senior officials treating him like a malevolent child. Here is the thing, some do believe him or what aboutism, deflecting to socialism, the squatter, somehow in hillary clinton. Some dont Pay Attention to what he says but look at what he does and quickly point to the economy. The president supporters cant do the president a la carte. If you support the president youre endorsing what he says as well as what he does. Youre saying all this is consistent with your vision of how a president should behave. If thats your argument try to imagine any other president publicly accuseing a predecessor of murdering someone. Ill wait. The fbi report i mentioned earlier says this. Advent of social media has led promoters of conspiracy theories to produce and share greater volumes of material via greater plalt forms, larger volumes of consumers can access. By that standard, the president of the United States has become one of the most powerful forces for promoting misinformation in the world today and thats your reality check. Very important one. As you note, you cant treat him like a child. Hes a president and needs to be held to that standard. Thats right. Thanks, i appreciate it. A lot of questions for what happened now to the victims of Jeffrey Epstein who were hoping for justice. Reaction from the Investigative Reporter whose work helped to crack open the case into epsteins twisted world. She joins us next. Summers not the time for making bucket lists. 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Does the jeff of Jeffrey Epstein mean questions about his crimes, questions about potential accomplices could go unanswered. Renewed interest in the epstein case renewed last year with reporting in the miami herald reporting about a deal with prosecutors. The question is what is next in the investigation . Joining me now miami herald Investigative Reporter who broke the epstein reporting that prompted all these indictments. Julie, thank you so much for being with us. In addition to being an Investigative Reporter you wereofwrote a really moving he had tord torl that reads, epstein was in control of every aspect of his case. He exercised it over young girls, prosecutors, wealthy peers and finally his exit from this life. Just your overall reaction to the news over the weekend after all this time Jeffrey Epstein is dead. I think everybody is stunned, you know. Probably his case right now was the number one case. In fact, when they announced his indictment last month, jeffrey berman, the u. S. Attorney in new york, said this was their number one case they were working on. Its pretty stunning he would be able to commit suicide considering what a priority this case has been here with the Justice Department. What does it mean for the investigation and all the questions youve raised about the scope of the suspected sex trafficking ring and if there were others involved . Although they lost Jeffrey Epstein, the biggest part of the case, the threads of the sex trafficking case are far wider than epstein. He a lot of help doing this. He did not do this himself. A lot of people made mope off this operation. Im sure a lot of the work they have pieced together is still going to go forward because of the people involved they probably were looking at. So there will be or charges im sure. There will be other indictments. Ironically the investigation into those others, i suppose, could be stepped up after the death of epstein, because the prosecutors will need someone to go after. Yes . Yeah. But i suspect they were pretty close in getting something together on some of these accomplices. Because remember, one of the charges against him was conspiracy. Over the weekend when this happened, mr. Berman had made a point of focusing on that and pointing out that they already were gathering evidence against a possible coconspirators. There was a document dump on friday, which told many more stories than we had heard before and named many more names than we had heard before connected to Jeffrey Epstein. You think there are thousands more documents still to be released. What will be in those . Well, i think its just this is like one giant puzzle. We have a lot of pieces. They are spilling out a little bit at a time. I think that as all these documents that have been sealed not only in this case, by the way, theres other cases involving mr. Epstein that have been sealed, that was another one of the ways that he manipulated the Justice System. His lawyers were able to seal a lot of the information. Thats why the miami herald went after this particular case as a way to try to start unsealing some of the things that have been secret all these years. Were there any surprises in the documents that came out on friday . What do you think the biggest headlines were in there . Well, i think that it confirmed finally what we all suspected, that there were some highprofile people here who, you know, allegedly, of course, were involved in some way. How they were involved, i think thats something to be determined. But one of the victims alleges that she was essentially directed to have sex with some very powerful people. So some of those names came out in this document dump that happened on friday. Of course, many of those names have also directly denied it. Youve had a chance, im sure, all through the last year, one of the most moving things youve done is to give voice to the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. I dont know if you had a chance to check back in with some of them over the weekend. How do they feel now that hes gone . They were the first people i called when it happened. I feel like we kind of had this journey together with this story. Its very emotional, i think, for them because its emotional for me, too, to watch what they have gone through, you know, because when this happened way back in 2007, you know, they were treated like essentially they feel like they were treated like prostitutes. Their credibility was questioned. They were targeted by private investigators who went after them, went after their families, dug into every dark corner of their lives. So for them, you know, this was their chance to finally be vindicated. Many of them feel like they have been robbed of that. What questions do you have about epsteins death, how it could be that he perhaps took his own life when just a few weeks ago he was on suicide watch in this same prison. Well, just going by his previous in ca incarceration, which we know wasnt an incarceration at all. He had such a cushy jail time in florida because he was able to manipulate people in the Palm Beach Sheriffs Office to give him special privileges, i would be looking at whether he was trying to do that here in new york and possibly that might have had something to do with him having a window of time where he was able to commit suicide. Julie brown, once again, thank you for the reporting. Youve done this over the last i know what has been years for you and we look forward to more coming from you as this story very much continues even after the death of Jeffrey Epstein. So thank you. Thank you. Erica. 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Evangelical minister rob shank is a longtime outspoken opponent of abortion. The reverend believes it was his own overheated rhetoric that led someone to shoot and kill an obgyn who he had called out by name two decades ago. In a new oped reverend shank said he has great sorrow and regret over his words and is now calling on President Trump to change his rhetoric. We appreciate you taking time to be with us. Youre very clear in this piece that you live with that great sorrow and regret in your words. Talk about how it took you so long to get to the point where you realized your words could and does, in fact, in your view, incite others. Was it specifically the murder of the doctor that brought you to that point or more to it . It was the most jarring mome moment. It started at the time of his death. It gave me pause to think about the movement i had been a part of, about the language that i had used. It is important to note that the prolife movement, my experience had been completely nonviolent. In fact, participants were required to sign a pledge adhering to a completely nonviolent posture in word and deed. You know, when youre on a National Stage and dealing with controversial subjects, especially those that really rile emotion, anger, frustration, contempt, you know, you cant ever know exactly who is listening to your words, whose ears those words are falling on and whether they have the same principles or same inhibitors that you might have. What i discovered, in fact, there were people on the fringes, people i didnt know, people i would never come to know, who received those words very differently. When i would use those words of contempt, calling individuals who performed abortions as monsters or animals or other words that dehumanize them, those people received those words very differently and they took them as license to do what they thought had to be done, and that included murder. For me over time i started to see and understand and process that and come to terms with it. Eventually as a religious man, i had to repent of that and revisit my use of public language. Its a very, very powerful and potentially dangerous tool. You write you close in saying in this piece, trump speaking of the president needs to learn the terrible lesson i did that words matter, even to the point of life and death. There has been much made of the president s rhetoric since frankly before he came into office but certainly in the last week since el paso specifically because of this manifesto attributed to the shooter by police where he targets specifically the latino community. Do you believe that the president s words are to blame for some of the violence that weve seen . Sadly i think they could very well have contributed, especially to the tragedy in el paso, perhaps in other places as well, because, again, people hear what they want to hear. You know, the president may think that everyone thinks the way he does, that they could never take his words as permission to go out and hurt people that he calls criminals and murderers and invaders and bad people, but he can never control that. What he can do is stop giving ammunition to others who may process it in the same way and see the celebrity of the president , the power of the presidency, the commander in chief of the armed forces as their sort of fantasy affirmation for what they want to do in the darkest parts of their hearts, their darkest impulses, their most concrete acts of hatred. The moment where you really woke up to the power of your words, as you walked us through, involved in the murder of the doctor, is there a moment you see, because there are plenty to point to in the last couple of years, today is the second anniversary of charlottesville and the death of heather heyer, is there something you believe will have an impact on the president to make him understand even if he didnt intend it that way, to your point, you believe his words could be interpreted and put into the violence. We evangelicals often have favorite parts of the bible. For me, one of those favorites is the new testament book of james that warns that while the tongue is a very small part of the human body, its misuse can bring enormous consequences. 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