Irelands former president will tell me how to turn this climate injustice into justice. Then from the mountains of idaho to the hallowed halls of Cambridge University, how did author Tara Westover go from a family that forbade education to a ph. D. From one of the worlds great universities . Shell tell me her amazing story. But first, heres my take the Trump Administration has an emerging deal with the taliban. And it has the potential to bring greater stability to afghanistan after an 18year inconclusive war in that country. Or it could reignite the afghan civil war, emboldening terrorist groups and plunging the nation into another decade of turmoil, which might then force the United States to return to the battlefield in large numbers. That is, after all, what happened after the u. S. Withdrew too quickly from iraq in 2011. It all depends on how it is handled from now. The key must be a political settlement between the taliban and the Afghan Government, and not the rapid withdrawal of u. S. Troops. President trump deserves some credit for having authorized the negotiations in doha between a special envoy and the taliban. The next step is to broaden the talks to involve the Afghan Government itself. The end result would be a National Unity government that includes both the current Afghan Government and the taliban. But the crucial issue for washington is to ensure that it does not make concessions that are hard to reverse, such as drawing down american troops, while the taliban for its part makes paper commitments it can easily violate. The former ambassador to afghanistan worries we may be watching a replay of vietnam in which the u. S. Got commitments from North Vietnam in return for its withdrawal. But once u. S. Troops were withdrawn, North Vietnam reneged on its commitments and invaded south vietnam. The most effective way to make sure this does not happen in afghanistan is for washington to delay the troop drawdowns until tangible gains have been made in terms of political power sharing and national reconciliation. It can push the taliban to keep its promises by formally bringing neighboring powers such as china, pakistan, and even iran into the discussions. The United States has faced this exit strategy problem every time it has waged a war against a guerrilla force. It was described in a Foreign Affairs essay written prior to his appointment as National Security adviser in 1969. While the u. S. Pursues a military strategy, he wrote, the guerrillas have a psychological strategy, which is simply to exhaust americas willpower. Thus, america loses by not winning. But the guerrillas win just by not losing. The taliban has gone one step further than a guerrilla operation having established its own governance independent from the Afghan National government in some areas. But the groups core strategy does appear to be wait out the United States. If the deal between the taliban and washington is to hold, trump must signal that he would send back the troops if the taliban breaks its end of the deal. Trust but verify, Ronald Reagan said. That should be the mantra for these negotiations. Everyone will seek gains from the u. S. Up front in return for promises to be fulfilled later. Washington should not be fooled. The United States has actually achieved a lot in afghanistan. The country is in a decent place after 40 years of civil war and taliban rule. Let me give you one example. Under the taliban there were only 1 million afghan children in school. Today there are more than 9 million. The terrorist organization that the taliban harbored, al qaeda, has been severely weakened. And the cost for america today, 14,000 troops, are not nearly what they once were. The u. S. Could cut that number to 8,000 or 9,000 under the new deal while still maintaining order in afghanistan and fighting terrorism. But first, washington needs to make sure it doesnt just end the war but also wins the peace. For more go to cnn. Com fareed and read my Washington Post column. And lets get started. The u. S. And china are in a trade war that is rattling markets, for certain. Lets not forget japan and south korea are also in a trade tussle and then theres the future mess brexit will inflict on global trade. If you add in the fact that its been more than ten years since the last recession ended, and make note of the wonky fact that the twoyear treasury yield has topped the tenyear rate, you get an understandable fear of recession. This is a serious matter and we have a serious panel to discuss it. Rana foroohar, cnns Global Economic panelist, ed luce, the u. S. National editor, Richard Haass is the president of the council of foreign relations. Rana, you wrote a piece saying the global recession has actually already begun. Now, that is still a minority view. Tell me why you think its happening. Well, even before you have this inverted bond yield curve which is a wonky way of saying people are worried about the economy Going Forward, even before that you had a lot of signs that all is not well. If you look over the last 18 months at manufacturing indexes, they are down in basically every major country except india. Europe in particular in the eurozone down very sharply. Germany has gone into recession. China is slowing down. Also the u. S. Consumer, which, you know, we hear a lot about how buoyant the u. S. Consumer has been, there are actually signs of fragility there, too. People are very worried about Prescription Drug price hikes. Youre seeing working class white women turning away from trump because theyre concerned about the slowing economy. Youre seeing people scale back on gasoline purchases in the middle of a Summer Travel season. Ive been looking beyond the headline figures and i think theres a lot of weakness. And do you think that the shall we call it policy uncertainty because there really is japan south korea, u. S. china, u. S. europe. Theres still dangers of trade wars that adds to it . Hugely. With any previous downturn you can think of, theres been policy coordination across borders. In the 80s, there was a plaza accord. In the mini recession, there were fears of a recession in 2015, 2016. Again, International Coordination. The prospect of any International Coordination with trump as president is extremely low. So the policy uncertainty really comes from the white house. America is not playing the role and is very unlikely to play the role to help coordinate an International Response to a global downturn that its been playing for 70 years. Thats a huge factor here. And trump is, you know, seems to be almost worried about the politics more than the policy where hes trying to position it as if this is all the federal reserves fault, right . He is at war with his own chairman of the federal reserve. Just as an aside, Interest Rates are already historically low. Theres not a lot of stimulus, shall we say, still to be played out. Fiscal stimulus is already great given what weve done. Were leading the cycle, as anyone who follows the market. Explain what you mean, Interest Rates are low, they cant be cut too much further. Weve already done a big tax cut. The budget deficit is high. You cant do more government spending. So were out of ammunition . Pretty much. Were close to being out of it. You have all the geopolitics, which are an overlay, plus one other thing, Donald Trumps trade war. Hes at war with himself in an odd sort of way. His biggest talking point has been the stimulus hes given to the american economy. What hes doing on tuesdays, thursdays, saturdays and essentially offsetting that with tariffs, be it against china or everybody else. Hes now become, in some ways, the greatest overhang over his own biggest accomplishment. The chinese have tried to calm the waters. This is a very rare thing to see. Its not the u. S. The u. S. Is roiling the waters and china is saying, dont worry, well meet them halfway. The chinese have always said, were willing to come to the table but theyve made it clear that any trade deal would be a dreel deal between equals. Unfortunately, President Trump seems constitutionally incapable of creating a winwin situation. In order for him to feel hes won, he needs to crush the other side. The chinese have drawn a line in the sand. When they do that, they dont back away. I think the other thing the markets are worried about is the fact that this most recent fed rate cut didnt juice things. I agree with richard, were at the end of a long period of easy money. I think all the psychology is now coming to the fore and youll see fits and starts but i think the next two months will be a downward cycle. With china, its almost like north korea. Were asking for things they cannot give. We tell north korea you have to give up your nuclear weapons, theyre not going to do it. Iran, regime change. Theyre not going to do it. China is not going to take the state out of the economy. Theyre not going to become capitalists tomorrow. Its going to remain a guided economy. Were asking for things that mean either we fall off our own demands or there cannot be a trade deal. Next on gps, well go from fears of global recession to concerns about global instability, though brexit, of course, combines both. Ill ask ed luce about that. Applebees handcrafted burgers now with endless fries starting at 7. 99. And get more bites for your buck with late night halfpriced apps. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Hi, do you have a travel card . 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British crashing out by the 31st, thereby insulating the conservative party from Nigel Farages accusation they betrayed the voters and hope they have delivered nodeal brexed, but too soon into Nodeal Brexit for the torys to be punished for the chaos that will follow. This halloween scenario is becoming more and more likely. And theres going to be a vote of no confidence in Boris Johnson and his government in early september, likely to succeed. He will then have a choice as to whether to step down as has happened throughout british history have a Prime Minister loses a vote of no confidence, or simply in a trumpian way, brazen it out. At which point, we get to a role house of cards or crown scenario where its the queens prerogative to decide whether to accept his continuation as Prime Minister or not, and indeed, his choice of november 1st as the election date, there is no precedent for this in british history. The queen has always accepted the Prime Ministers word so far. Shes never been given a Political Choice in her life. Shes, what, 93. Its quite late to be starting. Economically does this matter to the world if britain hugely. I think you get a little taste of what might happen looking at the argentinean market that crashed a few days ago, went down 40 or so on one day on the back of an election. The country was leaning left. If you get a situation with brexit where, say, the labor party comes in, in the u. S. If you get warren or sanders as the democratic candidate, i think that all these things are going to have a market impact. The thing that i struggle to be clear, youre saying the market will be scared with so many hard left absolutely, absolutely. But i think whats interesting is that this isnt already priced in. And i think that the market has become really complacent, not only because of all the quantitative easing and easing and low Interest Rates but the fact all these worrisome political signals have been masked by the fact every dip every time trump says something ridiculous or theres an issue with brexit, the market goes down. Algorithmic traders which are now 80 of the market coming in and buy on the dip. You get the cycle where deep signals are being masked and i think that sets us up for bigger downturns in the future. Let me ask you about the political crisis because it feel as though even there we have a lot of stuff flaring up and the Trump Administration does seem to have kind of turned up the heat on all of them without a Clear Strategy in mind. So, you know, north korea, there was this maximalist pressure that was tried and didnt work. On iran the maximalist pressure. On u. S. china, it seems like a slight withdrawal. But were still in a point where a lot of stuff has been set to bubble. An optimist would say with a normal administration theyve turned up the heat, teed it up, to switch metaphors, and now a deal to be had. Not denuclearization with north korea but an interim agreement that puts a limit on what north korea can have. With iran, maybe a new nuclear deal with extended limits on iran. With china, we dont solve all of our differences but we solve some of them. That would be a normal thats called diplomacy. Not a word we hear a lot about. This administration so far has an all or nothing approach. If you have an all or nothing approach, what were seeing is you end up with nothing. Thats the real pattern. The question Going Forward is whether they continue to insist its our way or the highway or whether theyre willing to deal. Up to now they havent been. Ironically, if they want to, if theyre prepared to, i actually think there are some deals out there, but so far at least theyre not willing to play the traditional game. Its even beyond the u. S. Everybody seems to be kind of being being a little more reckless. That at least is how i would read indias decision on kashmir. You were a correspondent in india for many years. What do you think of it . First, explain to people, i think it would be fair to describe it this way. India basically control kashmir, a third of kashmir. It essentially has made that de facto and dispensed with any of the special status provisions that kashmir had. And kashmir is only indias majority muslim state, as you know. And its had this special state us within indias constitutional constitution article 370, giving it strong autonomy from the rest of indias interference. Modi abruptly ended that last week. Even put all of elected leaders and political figures under house arrest. Journalists as well. Tens of thousands more troops have been put into the valley of kashmir. The interesting sort of larger context of this is kashmirs a bit like one of those socalled frozen conflicts. The sort of benign umbrella of the United States around the world. You mention japan, south koreas situation earlier has managed to keep a lid on some of these antagonisms. The context for modis decision is, a, he got reelected and thumpingly a few months ago, and that has obviously given him a mandate, in his view, to rob kashmir of its autonomy. B, trump, when he met pakistans Prime Minister offered to mediate the India Kashmir pakistan dispute. India as a Cardinal Rule rejects any thirdparty mediation. Khan could not believe his luck. And i think this was taken as a severe provocation, even by trumpian standards by Narendra Modi and helped precipitate this very abrupt decision to close down kashmirs autonomy. We have a very, very unstable situation there that america would ordinarily be attempting to help rather than fuel. This seems to be another example, richard, of the lack of preparation leading to something, because i dont think trump intended that but ed makes a good point. Modi changed the facts on the ground to bypass the possibility of america it was preemptive diplomatic strike by the indian Prime Minister to take kashmir off the agenda. We have played a role. Not to mediate kashmir, not to solve this frozen conflict, but to make sure these two nucleararmed countries that have not even the basics of a real relationship, that they dont go to war. Even if they dont begin with nuclear weapons, it could all too easily escalate. In may 1990 bob gates and i were sent over there to basically calm down exactly this. What worries me is they may now be headed in that direction. And the United States no longer practices the art of constructive diplomacy. That is my hunch is when the world looks at the problem, this might be right now suddenly at the top of the queue of the most underestimated really dangerous crises in the world. Meanwhile, rana, you are cashing your stocks and going into an allcash portfolio . I announced myself, i came out this week and said six months ago i actually took my childrens College Money to cash and last week i took my own Retirement Savings largely to cash. Dont try this at home, folks. Do whatever you want. Next on gps, there is a movement in south africa to seize land held by white people. It has echoes of what happened just to the north in zimbabwe two decades ago. That event unleashed horrific violence. Will south africa follow suit . Well tell you when we come back. The dynamite, feels like im taking flight. [sfx poof] [sfx squeaking eraser sound effect. ] i am who i wanna be who i wanna be who i wanna be. Im a strong individual feeling that power im so original, ya sing it louder. 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In 1913 the government passed the natives land act. Back then it grabbed 87 of land for whites. And corralled black South Africans onto reserves where they had no individual ownership rights. Black livelihoods were destroyed. Today not enough has changed. Of all the Agricultural Land owned by individuals across the country, 72 is owned by whites who make up just 9 of the population. 4 of that land is owned by black South Africans who make up 79 of the population. Nelson mandela pledged 30 of south african land held by whites would be distributed to poor black citizens after apartheid, but progress is painfully slow. Its not hard to see why. Land reform is disruptive in a robin hood sort of way. As which economist notes, it involves the government grabbing land from the relatively well off and doling it out to the poor. This often involves a fight. Take china, in 1949 after the communist revolution, the government began grabbing land from landlords who were the victims of brutal violence. Almost half the countrys land was distributed to 300 million people. The violence was horrific, but the reform had immediate effects. According to the economist, grain output soared by as much as 70 in the decade following 1945. But revolution isnt always bloody. For instance, south korea in the 1950s peacefully distributed private farms to tillers minting 1. 6 million small landowners. Taiwan also benefitted from reforms around the same time. Scholars have often noted good land reform policies help build a middle class that then helps democracy flourish. But lets return to africa, specifically zimbabwe. Robert mugabe allowed up kaungsenable treatment to white landowners, he doled out land to cronies which caused deep economic suffering. The narrative was that it was an unmitigated disaster. Ben cousins points out the legacy of zimbabwe land reform is more complex than the dominant narrative. Particularly when you consider the case of tobacco farmers. As the New York Times reported when 2,000 mostly white tobacco farmers were forced from their land, tens of thousands of mostly black farmers took their place. At first production ebbed but rose creating livelily hoods for the once landless. In the end, the case for land reform in south africa is not merely a moral one. Properly and sensibly executed, land reform is also good economics and good politics. Next on gps over the last century the worlds wealthiest countries have been the main drivers of the Climate Crisis while the worlds poorest suffer the most from its effects. Is it possible to change that calculus . My next guest, a powerful woman on the world stage, has made that her mission. Something. Ou can the past help you write the future . Can you feel calm in the eye of a storm . Can you do more with less . 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Shes now chair of the elders, a group founded by Nelson Mandela that brings Global Leaders together to cultivate a world that is peaceful and just. Welcome. Thank you. Tell me how you solve this problem because it just seems like a conundrum. It is true that historically, the worlds rich countries have caused this problem of climate change. But the most vulnerable, the issues of the world that will face flooding and they cant afford the dikes. How do you do something about this . I think the first thing is to make it more peoplecentered. That means looking at it from the point of the view of impact on people now. This isnt a problem of the future, which quite a few people still think it is. Melting glaciers, melting slowly somewhere and it will no. Its an absolute problem now, all over the world, including here in the United States. And what we need to do is, i think, get everybody to take three steps. The first step is make it personal in your life. Do something that you wouldnt have been doing and deal with your own Carbon Footprint in some way. That might mean recycle more carefully, change your eating habits. Ive been a pescatarian. I dont eat meat anymore. The second step is get angry and get active. Get angry with those with moral responsibility, lie governments and cities to do more, and get active with supporting with your voice and vote, and also those who are trying to deal with conservation, planting trees, bringing solar energy to poor countries, et cetera. The third, this is the most important, we have to imagine this world that we need to be hurrying towards because we have the the scientist told us last october, we have 12 years. Now were in august of the 11st year. We have less than 11 years, in which to reduce Global Carbon emissions by 45 globally. At the moment, were not going the right direction. Last year Carbon Emissions went up. This year they will go up. Let me ask you about another issue youre very active on, which is the state of women, particularly Womens Health worldwide. Youre very worried about it because of something thats come out of the Trump Administration recently. Yes. When President Trump was elected, he reintroduced what is called a global gag rule, which is supposed to prevent abortions in developing countries. But the rule is so broad that it prevents proper Family Planning, Family Planning advice. And there are over 200 the version of the Trump Administration gag rule is broader than any previous one. Yes. President reagan was the first to introduce it, president clinton removed it, president bush put another one in and president obama removed it. President trump has put in a much broader gag rule and its really serious. The number of abortions that go wrong when you dont have any legal abortion in countries, women would still want to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Theres a great loss of life of mothers in africa. African friends have spoken to me about the problem. Theres an unmet need. There are 200 million women who would wish to have Family Planning services in south africa, asia, and countries are coping with population increase, which is preventing them from having good development, literally, because africas population is doubling before 2050. There are its a problem that we need to address in a holistic way. Whats the solution . Educating girls and women and having a Health System that functions that brings down maternal deaths and brings down child deaths. Then very quickly, as we have seen in other countries, the graph will turn and women will have less children, because they space them. In general we think of those broader trends for women as positive. Would you share that view . Im very focused at the moment on one trend, which is a very good one. Women have suddenly become very aware of the climate issue. They were aware in africa, of course. They were aware in south asia because they deal this is so much a part of their lives. But until recently women in europe and women in United States and canada were not aware. They would talk about me too, equal pay, Health Issues and mention climate but not know how to talk about it. I think the report of the scientists last october has changed that. Suddenly this is a big problem for my children and grandchildren. Suddenly Women Leaders are really moving. And im so pleased and i cant tell you how many meetings im attending now where women are having declarations on Climate Justice. Women are meeting to take control of this issue. Mary robinson, pleasure to have you on. Pleasure. Thank you. Up next, my next guest grew up in rural idaho with a mormon survivalist father who did not believe in school. She ended up getting a ph. D. From Cambridge University and has now written a memoir of her journey to educate herself in more ways than one. 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She did not have a birth certificate, never went to the doctor, and never attended school. Instead, her childhood was spent assisting her father and mother with their businesses, including scrapping metal in a dangerous jinkyard. Tara was able to teach herself enough to earn an a. C. T. Score that gained her admission to Brigham Young university. Then earned a masters from Cambridge University, becama visiting fellow at harvard and returned to cambridge where she received a ph. D. In 2014. Her memoir of her journey from mountainside to educated has spent 77 weeks on the New York Times best seller list and counting. So, its a fascinating story. And there are so many parts of it that i dont know how to get at it. One thought i had is for you, what in retrospect seems the most totally bizarre part of your upbringing with regard to the lack of education, the not going to a doctor, even when you would get because youre dealing with scrap metal and you point out you would keep getting hurt. When i read all of that, it seems so bizarre. For you now, what part do you look back and say i cant believe i survived that . You know, i have to reconstruct the feelings because i think part of being a kid is that you only have the one life and whatever life your life is, thats normal to you. You dont have anything else to compare it to. When did you when did you realize that it wasnt it was unusual . I knew that other kids went to school and i knew my family was particular peculiar, you might even say, but as a child i experienced that as we were right. We were living the right way. God wanted us not to go to school, not to go to the doctor. We didnt do those things so we were better. I think at some time, i think i was a good way through college before i began to identify with a different way of thinking. Was going to college already a betrayal from your parents point of view . My dad was not supportive when i wanted to go to a college. He had a much more traditional idea of what a woman especially should do which is get married, have children, stay at home. That was difficult for him to begin with. He was also a little bit of a paranoid person and he was very anxious that i would go and get brainwashed at the university and come back with a whole lot of ideas, which is kind of what happened. Talk about that for a second. That part of it is, you discovered later he was bipolar, but the idea that education would brainwash you to become a kind of socialist, that the illuminati controlled large parts of the country and the world, these kind of conspiracy theories. This enormous suspicion of power. That is something that people who live in cities dont recognize, theres a lot of that out there, and theres a great deal of distrust of metropolitan elites. Where do you think it comes from . I think it is something that is based in reality. But the manifestation of it is not based in reality. Ill try to explain what i mean by that. I think there is a real sense in which people who dont live in the urban centers in this country are disenfranchised in meaningful ways. I did this experiment the other day where i took the 21 the 25 poorest states in the union and 21 of them, i discover, voted for trump. So i think youre looking for a source of populism, why is it people are so frustrated with the system . When i go home to idaho i hear how frustrated they are with the system. I think you have parts of the country that are dying. I was in my hometown, the county seat of my hometown a couple months ago with my cousin and all the shops were closed. Every store we had been to as a child. There was a funeral parlor that had been there since i was a kid and a new funeral parlor. My cousin turned to me and said, its getting where the only thing to do in town is die. I dont think its a bad metaphor for what these people are experiencing. Their whole way of life is evaporating. I think a lot of things that could be good for the country as a whole, whether its globalization, technology, all the ways the world is changing, economists will tell us this is good for the country, as a whole are disastrous for them. The feeling theres an elite crowd, theyre the ones in charge, i dont think thats crazy. I dont necessarily agree with the conclusions they come to and the way it manifests. In fact, dont agree with them at all but i think the sentiment is rooted in something. Theres so much in this book. Theres one part i do want to ask you about where you say you think the most crucial lesson you might have gotten was at a point at which you started to read the book of mormon. You couldnt understand it. You were puzzled. But you knew out of deference and because, you know, it was the most important book in your life, you had to read it. Explain why that might have been the best thing that happened to you. I think a lot of people are angry with my parents because i say they didnt provide me with a good education. In some ways thats true. They were not attentive to my education and i struggled a lot as a result. On this point i was brought to read the bible and the book of mormon and other 19th century texts and they were difficult. And i was conditioned to a way of thinking that my education was my responsibility and it was important for me to wrestle with hard things and it was okay to read things that were too but i couldnt understand yet. I actually think in a lot of ways that old biblical style education, engaging with very difficult texts, in a education, there were some holes. I would struggle because of some of those holes, so its not as though if i had my own kids would i do is same thing. No. But i think there were things to be b learned there. Things to be learned by all of us from your book. Thank you. Thank you. Pleasure. And we will be back. This is the. 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