the race or try to block him from getting the nomination? and the latest details in the rutgers sex cam suicide. what did the suspect tell tyler clementi right before he took his life? new information tonight. let's go "outfront." we begin tonight with breaking news. we have new details about satellite images showing earth moving vehicles at iran's military site. this is the same site that international atomic energy agency inspectors have tried to visit. iran has indicated this week they may give them access. foreign affairs reporter is following the story from the state department tonight and what can you tell us about these reports? >> well, erin, we're talking about this site, this military base that the international atomic energy inspectors have been trying to get in. iran has said no when they made a trip there a few weeks ago, but now, we understand satellite images show that the iranian have been cleaning up the site and now you see yesterday in the wake of the international community going for talks with iran saying sure, we can come in. what diplomats are saying is we're not surprised they're going to let us in because they have been cleaning it for the last few weeks. we understand the satellite image shows they're cleaning up. we don't know what they're working on, but we know over the last few weeks, the images showing that earth moving vehicles and trucks have been rushing around the site trying to clean up activity before inspectors get in there. >> some reports say there could have been nuclear weapon trigger tests or things like that, but the date as to whether these things happen, if they happened, the dates are very unclear. david albright says this seems to pit the iaea against u.s. intelligence, which has indicated there hasn't been much activity in iran on a nuclear program in a while. what is your take? initially from what you're hearing? >> we need to be careful to say this is not a site where there would be a nuclear test. basically, what is tested there is what they called expressive composures and that means that the trigger for a nuclear device would be tested there, but not necessarily a nuclear test. what officials and diplomats say is what they could be working on is the so-called weaponization or the militarization of the program you've been talking about for so many weeks of the show. that could be going on and inspectors said in the recent report that they thought iran might be working on that at that site, but no one is saying that a nuclear test could be going on there and our sources are saying that they don't have any evidence of any kind of nuclear tests, but they do believe that iran is working on the so-called trigger components that they could use to build a weapon for a nuclear weapon. >> all right. thank you very much. we appreciate it. breaking news just coming in this afternoon of the cleanup of the site. the other big story we're following today is syria. and whether the united states is about to make its biggest military decision since invading iraq. john mccain called for air strikes against syria to help the opposition against basher al assad. it was at times a tense exchange with defense secretary leon panetta. >> how many additional civilian lives would have to be lost in order to convince you that the military measures of this kind that we are proposing necessary to end the killing and forced to leave power, how many more have to die? 10,000 more, 20,000 more, how many more? >> what doesn't make sense is to take unilateral action at this point. as secretary of defense, before i recommend that we put our sons and daughters in uniform in harm's way, i've got to make very sure that we know what the mission is. >> united nations estimates that the year long conflict in syria has resulted in 7,500 deaths. most civilian. at least 40 were killed today, including seven children, according to the opposition. the question is whether the u.s. is ready to get involved in another middle east conflict. military intervention in syria does not come at a small cost to the united states. we're told when you look at the monetary cost, an air campaign in syria could last at least two weeks. price tag would be $2 billion, which compared to libya, only l $900 million, which is more than double. but syria's military's not like libya's, which means this would be only a small down payment. to a possibly much more significant commitment. syria can fight back. take a look at these numbers. ground force, 320,000 troops. 5,000 tanks. at least 555 russian migs. 4,000 plus surface to air missiles. mccain says that's even more reason for the u.s. to get involved to help civilians. >> so, would you characterize this as a fair fight when he's using artillery and tanks to kill syrians? >> i would characterize the assad regime has brutalizing their own citizens. >> paul wolfowitz agrees with getting involved, writing this week in an editorial in the "wall street journal" that quote, strengthening the syrian opposition is not an obstacle. to a peaceful end to the conflict. to the contrary, it may be the only way to achieve one. but leon panetta was direct today. he says the u.s. should not intervene now. why? well, to start, we don't even know who we're arming. >> we faced somewhat the same situation in libya. here, you've got triple the problems because there are so many diverse groups that are involved. >> egypt's foreign minister warned that involvement would quote lead to an escalation in the military conflict and spark a civil war in syria. just who would the united states help by launching air strikes against assad's regime or by arming the opposition and what are the consequences of military action? dianne feinstein is briefed regularly on syria. we talked tonight about syria and iran. i want to note, we spoke just a few moments before that breaking news about iran's military site. >> the united states cannot be the world's policeman. we still have men and women dying in afghanistan. we're trying to get out of iraq. we played a role in libya. we see the middle east exploding. the key is to get the united nations to pass a resolution, which enables the arab league to go in there. the key is to develop regional bodies, which are responsible, stable and can handle situations like this. i think we can provide humanitarian aid, we can provide advice, but in this situation, i do not believe that we could, should commit american lives. >> and it's interesting you say that today. we just heard secretary panetta saying that he thinks that this could be three times as complicated as a place like libya, where of course we're now seeing certain parts of libya wanting to split off from other parts. that situation is far from resolved, but what do you know about the syrian opposition? i know we like to simplify these things and it's not that simple. do we know who the quote good guys are? >> well, i'll tell you what i know. it's very divided. i know there are many groups. i know al-qaeda is in there. i know that before you arm somebody, you have to know what they're connected with and that they're going to do with those arms and we don't really know that to the best of my knowledge. you're right. syria is a very complicated picture. it's a brutal ruler. assad, i have very little respect for. having said that, open humanitarian zones. find ways for people that need to leave, to leave. work with surrounding countries. help as best we can, but if we start attacking the syrian army, which is not a minor army in that area, and syrian equipment, we are in another war and one of the things that bothers me is that increasingly, the solution to everything is bomb. and i don't think it is. i think the solution is working out alternatives to bombing and that's what we need to do. >> when you talk about war, obviously, there's been a lot of talk recently about iran and what the right thing is to do and for a lot of reasons. the election. israel's adamant stress about iran. it appears we're near a tipping point. what sort of intelligence, how have you been briefed on what iran is doing right now? >> well, i have followed the intelligence very carefully. i have met with israeli generals. i read everything that's come out. i've had occasion to be able to discuss this with the national security counsel, tom donnelin and the president. here's what i believe. i believe that israel will attack. i believe that it is important that diplomacy be given an opportunity. i believe it is possible to achieve a diplomatic solution. and now that the p 5 plus one, in other words, the members of the security counsel plus germany, have agreed to a negotiation which can take place shortly, our teams have left. i think that if iran is smart, if iran really wants to bring its citizens into the 21st century and become economically upwardly mobile, that they will realize that going for a nuclear weapon makes no sense. >> you just said that israel will attack. i know you had a chance to meet with benjamin netanyahu when he was in the united states the past couple of days. what did he tell you? this whole question about israel attacking, there's such a crucial question as to if they do it, when. what can you tell us that he's thinking now? >> well, his revolve is very firm. no one should doubt that. he told us he's not asking anything of the united states. israel believes they are prepared to handle it. now, what happens after an attack is another story. and attack is very difficult. the question is can it be solved another way? i happen to believe it can. i happen to have tremendous belief in the act of hard nosed comprehensive diplomacy and i believe the israelis will wait to see what happens. sanctions are beginning to work. the central bank is under sanction. more countries have come into sanctions. the rial is in trouble. unemployment is up. food stuffs are scarce. the time has come for iran to realize that the world is serious. >> if israel though determines that that attack will come before the united states would like it to, before the united states feels that diplomacy has been given a fair shot, what does the united states do? are we basically then completely stuck? i know there's no treaty, but stuck going into? 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what's the best case scenario? >> you can tell this is different. in the past, candidates have been able to sew up the nomination more or less by super tuesday. but this time it's different. for two reasons. one, math, the other, money. for the first time, the rnc is doing proportional allocation of delegates. not winner takes all. that means it takes longer to get to that magic number. of 1,144. the second is super pacs. in the past, you could functionally force another person out by saying, you don't have the cash, you may have the heart, but you don't have the cash, get out. and that way you can can get the nomination. but super pacs and proportional representation between things are going to go on for a long time. >> leaves sheldon and newt sitting in a tree. >> absolutely. >> let's go through the romney scenario. what's the best possible for him? does he get there? >> this is like a reality check. let's say romney wins everything. it is a total sweep. not going to happen. but it would take him until may 15th to get the requisite number of delegates. >> that includes winning alabama, mississippi, all those states. >> running the table like no one else exists. just the basic math to take may 15th. >> okay. let's talk about a more likely scenario, which is he doesn't win everything. >> here's what we did with this. he's going to win all but one of the all or nothing states and 50% of the proportional delegates. realistic scenario, still comes up short. comes from 1132 in our calculations. that means that he can take undeclared delegates, still push them over the top. but this is key, even with that pretty positive scenario, he doesn't hit the number. >> he doesn't hit the number? >> that's right. >> then it would go to the convention? >> the party leaders would say let's get him over the top. let's avoid the chaos. >> what's the worst case. one thing you said is key, he's winning 50%. he's not been winning 50% of a lot of these states. >> let's say he keeps on winning 40%, which is his average. if he keeps on winning 40%, he comes in at 1022 at the end of this. that is not enough to get undeclared delegates to put him over the top. that is a path to a contested campaign in tampa. that is a nightmare scenario for the romney campaign and the republican establishment. these are projections. if you look at the math, the hard numbers, this is far, far from over. >> i'll tell you who would be loving that, heavenly, heavenly dreams about that. barack obama. all right. thank you. one person who would be very happy with a long, drawn out primary is sarah palin. >> i want to see the process continue. i do believe that competition makes our candidates better. remember, there are five men running for president and i think barack obama is the worst choice, the last choice, so the four in front of him as they duke it out in the arena of ideas and solutions to propose, the more of that, the better. >> palin is back in the spotlight this week as the hbo movie "game change" is set to hit the airwaves. julian moore plays the former candidate and it is sort of bizarre. >> before i became governor of the great state of alaska, i was mayor of my hometown. i guess a small town mayor is sort of like a community organizer. except that you have actual responsibilities. >> in the movie, palin is depicted as in over her head. she calls the portrayal a quote, fact change. the co-authors of the book "game change" came "outfront" tonight. i started by asking them their thoughts and last night and mitt romney. >> great for romney in the sense that he entered super tuesday by far. he leaves it the most likely republican nominee by far. he faces a very treacherous rest of the month. there's five contests. he could lose four. if that happens, this becomes unpredictable. i don't think he can stop mitt romney from having the most delegates unless you knock him out, but now, that potential is there. it's not likely. the potential is there now to embarrass him this month, beat him in illinois and then head into the bigger states, maybe with gingrich one-on-one, santorum, romney. he could lose then, but it's unlikely. >> gingrich gets out say after next week hypothetically, what happens? >> it's still almost impossible for rick santorum to get enough delegates to go to the convention with the nomination, but it's possible heading through april, may, june, it's possible that him and the combined delegate of the other candidates could deny romney a majority and then you're talking about one of those crazy journalistic fantasy scenarios of a brokered, contested, crazy convention, and we'll all be really happy if that happens. >> you wrote hey, mitt romney, there's ten things you have to do right before super tuesday. there were two things on that list that really stood out. one is get a better relationship with the media. your relationship is horrid. and two is write a memo. get your campaign to write a memo about why it is inevitable. why your delegate count is inevitable. why we don't have john avlon giving out scenarios. are they going to do that, get that done? >> they did a little bit of that today and started to basically say not what barack obama said four years ago, which is i'm going to get a majority. the strongest thing they can say is we're going to have the most and we're going to be close to a majority and therefore, if you want to unite the party, don't want a mess at the convention, get on board now. >> that's a lot more work to get that done. >> they're started to try, but i've covered presidential elections since 1988. i have never seen the press corps as down on a candidate. as they are at large on mitt romney. and it hurts because every day, he's never given the benefit of the doubt. never. he does things, takes a huge hit that other candidates would get by with. >> this is not a liberal conservative thing. george w. bush had a great relationship with the media. helped him extraordinarily. in that race, george, his father, had a great relationship with the media, too. at least a constructive one with the people who cover you, you know, it's a huge asset and if you don't have it, it's a huge liability. >> you know what other presidential candidate had a great relationship with the media? >> could it have been john mccain? >> john mccain. for most of 2008, he really did. it's not a republican thing. the history of it, romney has a problem with the media. >> let's talk about john mccain and particularly, about sarah palin. we heard her saying she wants the race to continue. she also said last night, it's almost as if she likes to toy with the media. like the media's a little mouse and she's the cat. maybe i would get in a brokerage situation. or something like that. sarah palin you all know, covered? >> she's in some ways, gotten more confident in terms of the way she plays with the media. she's always been someone who cared about her public image, whether it was in alaska or in the national stage. where she's just coming to grips with what it means to being a national candidate, but after that, she has been brash and bold in terms of trying to do various things, both in terms of traditional media and online media, to try to keep herself in the public eye as much as possible, even though she holds no elected office and isn't returning for one currently. >> your book obviously went through her as well as the other campaigns and had all kinds of amazing, wonderful, juicy things in it, but the movie that's coming out, there's some controversy, it's too harsh. she's called it fact change. instead of "game change." but you have seen the movie, you consulted on the movie. is it a fair representation of what's in the book? >> it is. we urge anybody who's not seen it on saturday 9:00 to watch it. it's factually accurate and a lot of people who watch it who are disposed are going to find it a fair portrait, all of the things she accomplished in the 60 days on the ticket. the challenges as well. we've seen a few screenings and uniformly, people who came in, didn't like sarah palin, weren't fans, almost every one of them have said i now understand what she went there. i have more sympathy for her, i have more appreciation for what she accomplished. >> that's interesting. >> much of the controversy has you know, unfortunately been people criticizing who haven't seen it. i generally don't think that's a good idea. i think that is true. people can come to us with a fair mind. you see the places where she rose to the occasion and exceeded any reasonable expectation. you see areas where she fell short. it is what happens and what happened is both good and less good. >> all right. good to see you. the darling of the republican party, marco rubio, has a very non hard core stance on republican immigration and new details from the rutgers sex cam suicide. what the accused trying to tell the victim literally right before he took his life. weight loss programs can be expensive. so to save some money, i just got the popular girls from the local middle school to follow me around. ew. seriously? 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well, borrowing some money. data from the fed showed consumer credit rose by $17.8 billion in january. most from student and auto loans. credit card debt actually fell. it is a sign people are feel more confident, a good think, but more debt is more debt. the case against dharun ravi took a dramatic turn today because prosecutors introduced text messages from his phone. including one, that he tried to apologize to his roommate. just minutes before he took his own life by jumping off the george washington bridge in 2010. ravi wrote quote, i've known you were gay and i have no problem with it. prosecutors say ravi placed a web cam in his room to spy on clementi and humiliate him. because he was gay. his defense says he was only trying to prevent anyone from stealing his stuff. listen to what he says during a police intirigation about invading his roommate's privacy. >> did you violate this man's privacy? >> yes, i did. >> you didn't do it deliberately. >> no. i didn't do it deliberately. >> do you want to show the text conversation and asking her -- >> we looked at the -- >> it's up to you. you want to lie to us? >> paul cowen is a former new york city homicide prosecutor who has interrogated dozens of suspects. he's been following this case for us. you just heard that ravi admit he invaded his roommate's privacy, but not deliberately. he did admit he invaded the privacy. is that enough to convict him? because i know that alone in new jersey could be five years. >> it's enough to convict him. if the injury believes he deliberately invaded his privacy and broadcast this on part one of the case, which is invasion of privacy. this is a classic police interrogation. you've got the homicide detective. he's trying to make it out like he's ravi's friend and he says, you did it deliberately and finally, ravi agrees with that. we have to see if the jury's going to think is this ravi's story? or is he parodying what the police is saying to him. >> and when he doesn't get what he wants, are you going to tell me the truth or lie. let's listen to more. >> you're deliberately lying to us now and telling us, i wasn't spying on my roommate. just watching my valuables. that's not going to work. that's an outright lie. >> i wanted to find out what was happening. >> he's by himself, no attorney present, but that is hitting on that one part of this case, that seems to be really, come on. >> it is and it's classic. always amazes me. nobody asks for an attorney. he's a college kid, admittedly, but he's an adult. he doesn't ask for an attorney. and the police officer is saying to him, hey, you are lying to us. and so ravi then is changing his story a little bit to get the approval of the police officer and by the way, this is classic police investigation. it goes on all the time. nothing illegal about this. this is how the police get a story out, but a jury is going to look at it and say, can we rely on this or not, because the thing about taping interrogation, it's brand new in the united states. this used to take place behind closed doors when i was a prosecutor. i'd go out in the middle of the night and the cops would say all right, the guy's going to give a confession and then bring him out. now, it's taped. the jury gets to see the whole thing and decide what they can accept and what they should reject. >> if ravi were so say you know what, i wasn't really looking for someone to steal my stuff. i actually did want to do this. i wanted to look at it and i realize that was a stupid, ridiculous, awful thing to do. what would happen? >> still guilty under new jersey law if he didn't have the right to do it, which is why they go back to the thing, did you know he was invading his privacy? the police have this big problem with the case, it's ravi's own room. can't he activate a camera in his own room? he can unless he admits to them it's an invasion of privacy and he knew it was an invasion of privacy. >> it's clear that watching your roommate have sex when you're in the room would be -- >> it's clearly uncivilized, bad manners, but is it criminal under new jersey law? that's only up to a jury. >> the other question is whether ravi was biased against homosexuals. here is the detective as he reads ravi's tweets back to him. >> i dare you, please don't, i'm warning you, i dare you to video chat me between the hours of 9:30 and 12:00, yes, it's happening again. >> obviously, i said it in a sarcastic way and second of all, i turned off my computers. so they wouldn't be able to, do anything. >> what impact will that have? he's saying he turned off the computer. >> there's more later, of course we don't have time to hear it all. ravi's case sort of crashed and burned on the bias issue. there's a lot in the tweets indicating maybe there's antigay bias, and that will double the sentence from five to potentially ten years if the jury believes that. two-part trial. invasion of privacy and bias. i think the ravi case took some serious blows on the bias claims this week. >> it turns out from the texts, ravi texted his friend an apology at 8:42 on the night when his roommate posted at 8:46, i'm going to jump off the george washington bridge. does that influence anything? >> i think it does because it's ravi saying to him, you know, i'm sorry. i wasn't trying to discriminate against you, and he does that before he jumps off the bridge. maybe the jury will say tyler clementi jumped off the bridge for a lot of reasons and maybe it wasn't just what ravi did to him. so i think in a large sense, this will be a very important piece of evidence for the jury to evaluate. >> thank you. >> nice being with you. >> well, becoming china's -- it's a bad word. we'll say it after the break, though. the name of a new book on the book shelves, which is how come i can say it and i will after the break and another star takes it all off. everything. everything, for a magazine. seriously. would you take it? 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[ young man ] whoo-hoo! ♪ so soon you'll take me there he is! the party's arrived. ♪ [ both hiss ] [ screaming, explosions ] oh, he-- [ crickets chirping ] [ owl hooting ] [ gasps ] ♪ fate ♪ up against your will ♪ through the thick and thin so, it's no secret that china's a super power. pick up a paper on any given day and you'll read about how china is surging at the expense of the united states. boasts a $200 billion trade surplus and the united states has a record nearly $300 billion deficit with china. this year, china's expected what it sees as anemic economic growth of 7.5%. ours is 2.5%, and we're happy about it. china's the single biggest foreign owner of america's debt and while our military is much bigger, china has more ground troops. they have the largest ground force on the planet, and they're dramatically increasing spending as we cut back. one man says it all adds up to one question. are we becoming china's bitch. that's the name of a new book and i read it, it was good, so is it a forgone conclusion? >> there are no forfp gone conclusions, but we have to focus on our problems. otherwise, we have a counterparty in china who is incredibly focused. their goal is to be g1. >> your background, you spent a lot of time in asia. you know this situation. what should the united states do? it's always seemed to me that you can't stop someone from wanting to be number one. >> you sure can't. the recognize thing to do is embrace it. last year, it was a great thing general motors turned around from near death to being the number one car manufacturer in the world. they sold 9 million vehicles. that was a great day for the united states, but 2.5 million were sold to china. we're in a tango with china. if you look at apple, their number two market for ipads is china. so we're going to be intertwined with china for as far as the eye can see. >> there's a big fight about congress about currency. all these fights constantly going on about china and trade practices. what could congress do right now to make americans feel less threatened? >> what congress could do is not overreact to one little, this dumping of solar panels. or this -- we are facing a currency manipulator in china. and one day in 1994, we can't redress that. since 1994, we have lost 6 million jobs. they have created 10 million. those jobs are not going to come back overnight. we should patiently develop a broad-based strategy and understand china as well as they understand us. >> are you of the belief that some people say, look, you can fight china if you want. try to take the jobs back that they have, but then all that's going to happen is vietnam and cambodia and everybody else is going to provide the cheap jobs. in other words, those jobs aren't coming back no matter who's out there. >> those jobs are not coming back. those 6 million have been lost. a lot of those skilled trade, those people have not been making that stuff for ten years or longer. we have to reframe our relationship with china and trade up in value added proposition and not go for the lowest common denominator. >> so, what kinds of things should we be making or doing in the united states. >> our genius is in creating sophisticated pieces of equipment. and having some of this outsources to china. and the other thing we should do is insist we have a role in the emerging consumer market. it will be the biggest consumer market, and we should have a role, just as general motors got a role and apple has. they're going through some issues now with the ipad. i think all of the american commercial enterprise has to be looking at how do we integrate through china. >> how do you deal with the issue that all companies complain about, which is we go into china and they make us do a joint venture? they steal everything we know how to do and do it themselves and knock us out of business. >> i'm with you. that has been the pattern, but part of it is when you go in through a negotiation, think about every twist and turn. we're going at it casually. you're going to lose, and we have done that time after time across the american corporate sphere. >> you come from this with knowing the money side of it so well, do you fear conflict? chinese resources. they're getting them everywhere and competing with us. take the middle east specifically. they want to be king of the middle east because they want the crude oil from iran, saudi arabia. >> no question. i'd say if there's going to be any real friction, it's not going to be over currency. it's over oil. their appetite for oil, they're already number one in the world in coal. now, iran's a perfect example. iran sells 20% of its exports right now to china. that's more than the entire e.u. combined. there are four countries that buy most of iran's exports. china, india, japan and turkey. and they are going to cut back a little to accommodate us, but we can't claim to have the same sort of economic impact embargo if you've got china and india and these other countries providing a backlog. oil is going to be a very tough discussion. we've got to have it. >> we certainly do. when people talk about sanctions, something they leave out all too much. thanks very much. good to see you and of course, used to work with our executive producer. >> here's one that is more serious. jessica simpson is on the cover of elle magazine. in the shot, she's really naked. and yes, she is really pregnant. in october in our first week of shows, we noticed a strange trend. naked and pregnant women occupy the cover of magazines a lot. back then, it was "new york" magazine and ebony. featuring pregnant and nude women. at the time, we acknowledged it was a tribute to the 1991 demi moore vanity fair cover. but it's a tribute that is getting tired. it was 20 years ago, and since then, dozens and dozens of magazines have done the same cover. we know the magazines are expecting us to be shocked and appalled, but at this point, its arer like, there's another naked pregnant lady. what do you say when it comes to covers like this? 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