from the usgs. some turkish agencies putting the number at 6.6 magnitude so still some discrepancies between the numbers but it's not important. either way it is a major earthquake. we are expecting aftershocks. many of those could be just as strong or stronger than the actual earthquake. this thing struck just about an hour 20 minutes ago, 1:40 in the afternoon local time there in turkey. the most up-to-date information we have for you puts the epicenter of this quake about a dozen or so miles from van, turkey. you see it on your map there, in a rural area where the epicenter is called tibanli, close to the border of iran, some 800 miles away east of istanbul. you also need to know we are starting to get our first reports, we were on the air with you about 30 minutes ago giving you the latest. since that time, we have more we can share with you that the turkish news agency, a turkish news agency is reporting there are, in fact, people who are trapped under collapsed buildings in van. again that's coming to us from a turkish news agency saying there are people trapped. we'll tell you more about this area here coming up. i have reynolds wolf standing by where he's going to tell you more about this area, this is an earthquake prone area. people are very familiar with earthquakes, so they're used to feeling shaking and rattling but this is a 7.3 magnitude earthquake and that is a strong quake. also it was shallow, we're told, the epicenter, so of course the more shallow that an earthquake is, the potential for more damage in an area, the stronger it's going to feel to people. we also have someone for us in istanbul today who is going to be joining me now, andrew finkel is with me. andrew, first, can you tell us more about this area for people who are not familiar? you're in istanbul, of course, that's a ways away, but still, what can you tell us about the area of van? >> van is in the east of turkey. it's a remote, in a rural area near the iranian border. it's very different in character from istanbul, a built up, industrial area. some of you may recall there was a veerious 7.3 earthquake here in 1999. that was responsible for thousands and thousands of casualties, this sort of good news i suppose is van is a much less densely populated area but of course at the same time it's much more difficult to get services to there and there's a lot of sort of rural outlying villages which are more difficult to get to, t.j. >> are you hearing these reports as well, i believe it was a turkish news agency reporting that in fact, there are buildings that have collapsed and people are trapped right now? comment on that, and also, do you know how far outside of the region of van and the immediate surrounding areas how far away people felt this quake? >> well, we do know buildings have collapsed inside itself the city of van but there are reports from a nearby town, erjis, where they say there are casualties. the mayor of van at the moment is saying there are no reported casualties. but we do have reports of casualties from towns within the region. as for the scope of the earthquake and where it was felt, it was felt in an enormous area. there's a slightly much larger town called arazarum not far from van where the quake was felt but it was felt widely in iraq itself. there are reports the tremors were felt even as far away as iraq, which is a considerable distance away, t.j. >> andrew finkel for us there, we'll check back in with you, he's reporting for us from istanbul as we continue to look at pictures. reynolds, let me bring you in as we continue to watch the pictures still new to us as they continue to come in, but people in the streets you often see people going out into the street trying to figure out what's going on, the status of those things, how many buildings did survive. we are getting reports, as andrew said, buildings have collapsed in van and also reports from turkish news media that people are trapped under those buildings. i'm going to bring in reynolds with more on the area and it's important worth noting we talk about the magnitude of quakes but depth of earthquakes is important as well. >> exactly, we talked about that earlier. let's give people perspective, what you mentioned about the frequency of quakes in this area. on may 5th of 1990 there was a quake in western iran that struck killing 50,000 people, injured about 60,000 people so again these people unfortunately no stranger in this region to this type of activity, the seismic activity. let me show you information that came in recently from the usgs, this is a nightmare. let me show you, estimated fatalities, the population and number of fatalities you could have in this certain circumstance. there is a belief there's a 33% chance that you could have a number of fatalities when all is said and done in a situation like this, not talking injuries, talking estimated fatalities between 10,000 and 100,000 people, there's a 33% chance. this is again a nightmare keen nair yo. in terms of injuries, 34% chance, sorry, estimated economic losses a 34% chance you'd have anywhere from 10,000 to 100,000, these are sorry, estimate in millions, so that's something else to consider. big question many of you may be having, why in the world do you have this activity in this part of the world? it's very simple. land masses on our planet are made up of what we refer to as tectonic plates. they're always moving. they move very, very slowly at the same growth of say a fingernail. what happens in this situation, mark hulani is our photojournalist, get in a little bit. a few lines in these few spots, the north anatoli fault and the south anatoli fault, similar to the san andreas fault in california. this is a.p., very important to call this, this is called the abrabian plate in this direction. these things are always moving. this always wants to surge off to the west. this one moves to the northwest. so plain and simple you have a lot of friction created in parts of the region mainly along this fault line and of course you have another fault line to the north in this area. keep in mind the proximity of the faults and the proximity of where you have the two platsz coming together and then you look right here at the epicenter of where we happened to have the earthquake. let's zoom in if we can, monica o'connor is our producer. monica, let's zoom in on the region if we have an opportunity and you see the area where the orange, that is the absolute epicenter. now we have aftershocks popping up north of van, the latest 5.6, just occurred. let's show one of the other huge fears we have, that concerns the body of water we see to the immediate west, very carefully you take a look at the body of water, lake van. when you have something like this that occurs you'll have seismic waves that could create a ripple in the water, big waves that could destroy communities that might be settled along that lake. too early to say exactly what happened, t.j., but again we're talking about the potential of a nightmare scenario. back to you. >> we can take the video full and deidre, we'll rerack this and show it to you on the full screen. excuse us for that there, depending on a live feed, you can see some of the damage and it is going to be at least from some of these pictures extensive. we did get the reports at least that buildings had collapsed in van, and that people were indeed trapped. these are the first pictures we're actually seeing of it. so there is damage, extensive damage. you can see some of the buildings that have collapsed but again this happened only about an hour and a half ago and we are getting this new video in and seeing it for the first time just as you are. many people going out into the streets. renolds was giving us an idea of the possible economic impact. i don't know, reynolds, if you have, as well, just how many people live in this particular region. i saw several different estimates, don't know if you all have that or not as well but it's certainly a lot of people are going to be impacted by what we are seeing, so again, folks, this is the first we are seeing from the region, the video of damage, some of the earlier video we saw, people out in the streets, looked like some of the buildings had made it through okay, but certainly these are pictures from a different area and giving a different story but you see the people out in the streets, certainly shaken, devastated. you see the damage to that car there as well. a lot of kids and women crying, people out in the street, but the reports are that people are, in fact, trapped. wow, look at that. people are trapped under some of those buildings that have collapsed in van, just an hour and a half ago, a 7.3 magnitude earthquake that has struck in the southeastern part of turkey. we will continue to follow this still breaking story and share with you all of the info we get and also all of the pictures that continue to come in, but a quick break, reynolds and i will be right back. it's ten past the hour. we are following this breaking story just happened, hour and a half ago, 7.3 magnitude earthquake in turkey, reports of people trapped under collapsed buildings. really have people talking... 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>> reporter: t.j., this is the fifth consecutive year the nfl has set up shop in london for a regular season game and the excitement level is at a fever pitch. wimley stadium fills its capacity to receive these two nfl teams. the tampa bay buccaneers and the chicago bears will be playing here in about five hours, a little less than that, and i can tell you there's a tailgating party around the corner, that's a little bit of a novelty here, you really don't see that before soccer games, fans milling around, partying together and soaking up the atmosphere, leading up to kickoff here during the week, i can tell you both teams were media friendly, the tampa bay buccaneers arrived here monday, got to take in some sightseeing, went to check out big ben, london bridge, made it to the city center and interacted a lot with fans. the chicago bears really didn't have much time to do that because they touched down friday morning and a lot of the players were pretty jet lagged when they were talking to the media and i think they would rather still be asleep for a few hours before having to say how excited they were to be here. it will be interesting to see which team is better prepared, whether it's the bears coming on top of the game or the buccaneers who have been here so many days. as far as the fans are concerned, they've been telling us that they are thrilled to be this close to the top nfl stars. >> i'm really excited, this is an opportunity of the lifetime to meet all of the players today and get autographs and get more involved with the game straight from america, so it's great. >> more of it, need more of it. it's the best sport in the world. we need more of it. >> i've been to every game since it's been here and every year around october it's the excitement of going to wembley and watching some proper nfl stars play. if you see jumping up and down in the crowd, that's me. >> the fact that this game has been such a success, t.j., for the last five years means that the nfl is actually considering bringing a team over here and having a team in europe. there has been pretty positive reception from the coaches and the players so far. it will be interesting to see whether this can happen in a five to ten-year period having a team based here in europe and london would be the top choice for that, if, indeed, it happens. >> pay to repinto for us in london thank you as always. 23 past the hour. a quick break and we're back on this "cnn sunday morning." 24 minutes past the hour. we are following this breaking story out of turkey, a major earthquake larger than a 7.2 magnitude quake, and these are some of the new pictures that continue to come into us. we got the earlier reports from turkish media that buildings had collapsed in this area of van in the southeastern part of the country of turkey. we got the reports that buildings have collapsed and now we are getting the video confirmation of it now. you see emergency workers and we have seen and you'll probably see in the video here in a moment just citizens who are using shovels, using their hands in some situations, digging through that rubble. the reports are that people are indeed trapped and it appears from a lot of the video we're getting many of the citizens are trying to dig out and maybe get people who are trapped. we don't have reports just yet but we can expect them, reports of injuries and no reports of deaths, just yet, but this is a powerful, powerful earthquake. different reports of the magnitude. initially it was a 7.3. reynolds will have an update on that in a moment but turkish news agencies were reporting it was a 6.6. either way, this is a strong earthquake which has seen some major aftershocks already. this is the video i was talking about a moment ago. you saw people there with shovels literally trying to dig out from some of the buildings that have collapsed. reynolds you had the update for me. usgs making a slight adjustment to the magnitude of the earthquake. >> precisely, dropped it to 7.2. it's not unusual, some say what, they changed the numbers? they often will do this. the equivalent when you have a tornado that moves through the area, different meteorologists survey the damage and they'll decide what it is. they have new information again, 7.3 to 7.2. let's give you a better indication of what this area was like. you see the damage on one part of the screen, the people sifting through the wreckage. if we can on google earth, monica o'connor, our weather producer, if we can zoom in to give people an idea what the landscape is like. it is a mountainous region. as we zoom in a bit, the community of van, part of it almost a pastoral setting, a lot of town squares in a few places, small almost park-like settings. toward the top of the screen, mark, behind the camera, that is where the epicenter took place, a lot of mountains in this area. the hope is that the mountains were able to absorb quite a bit of the shock waves, if you will, but unfortunately, i don't think that's going to be the case. certainly when you have something of the magnitude of say a 7.2 you're still going to have widespread damage. far off towards the west you see lake van, another concern that we have is the populations that you have of people that live near the water. people, hey, there's a lot of people living in this area that again fishing in lake van. there is a community at the far end of the lake that gives us tremendous concern. the reason for that plain and simple is because when you have the big shock waves that move through the water is displaced, water rushing. the big fear you have immense waves moving in the direction of t tadvan. this is part of the tectonic plate in turkey slowly moving off towards the west. at the same time you have the arabian plate which is far to the south, forcing upward and right along the frontal boundary, that fault line confusing in meteorological terms my geology,er this are we're doing this on the fly similar to the san andreas fault in california. you have all kinds of seismic activity, no stranger for people in the region to have tremors, even earthquakes. in 1990 you had an earthquake that struck western iran that actually killed some 50,000 people, some injuries to some 60,000 people, so not unheard of. wla what's unfortunate is that in this part of the world we'll get little trickles of information in at a time. if you happen to be familiar with the country this is very different in this part of the world from the other end of turkey, if you think of istanbul, a little more of a metropolitan area, different type of topography. this area a bit more ips lated. as we get the information we have tremendous fear it may be dire, as we make our way through the midday hours. some of the estimates from the usgs in terms of the potential damage take a look at the numbers, what we were showing you earlier today. focus on this, the estimated fatalities that we could have in a situation like this, when you have a 7.2 earthquake in this region, this topography, the fear is that we could have fatalities at least 32% chance of ranging anywhere from 10,000 to 100,000. we're not talking about just injuries, we're talking about fatalities. if you're going to have injuries they would be considerably more and when you look at the estimated economic losses this is in u.s. dollars could range anywhere from 10,000 to 100,000. that's actually in millions, so again, very big in terms of lives lost and certainly financial damage just almost incomprehensible. t.j., that's the latest we've got for you. >> reynolds, thank you so much and please, rest assured to our viewers we will not be going too far away from this story, 7.2 magnitude earthquake, reports of buildings that have collapsed and people trapped underneath. the effort is going on right now to try to get some of those people out. we will follow this closely, but at the bottom of the hour, stay with me because just in a moment, we're going to turn to our "faces of faith" segment for today and we have a special guest who will be in studio with me, danny wuerffle, bon a heisman trophy in the s.e.c., played in the nfl but that is nothing compared to what he is battling right now. stay with me. 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>> that's been the biggest struggle i think, you're used to pushing through whatever the challenge is, whether it's getting through more play time with your kids or running through florida state or arkansas's defense. the hard thing is to not turn the gear on and do it and to not often do any of the things you want to do and early on to be helpless. that's a tough thing to have to face. >> does that test your faith or make your faith even stronger, when something like this comes up? i read something you had wrote, you talk about yourself being impatient when you were praying. lord, what's taking so long for me to get through this? >> you certainly, in america we want everything to be right, we want to be healthy, wealthy, happy, no pain. in fact one of the great verses that we love as christians, "i can do all things through christ, who gives me strength" but the strange thing the verse is at the end of the passage where he's saying i can be content in good or bad times, in plenty and want and i think the challenge to accept the tough things, the painful things is something we try to avoid but i'm convinced that that's the doorway to deeper life with the lord. i don't want to minimize that. it's also been one of the best things that's happened to me. >> this forced to you frankly sit down for a second. you can't be so busy and caught up. this gave you a chance to sit down and reflect. >> yeah, i think we get so caught up in the pace and it's everywhere around us, we all do it. the strings are going so fast, you don't know how fast you're going. i thought for sure i was doing fine, balanced and boundaries and all these things, and abeing forced to sit down and slow down and go back and realize how much energy i was burning in so many places that maybe weren't the most important, so you know, it's a tough thing to be ill but if it can help you reprioritize and get focused and reenergize on the most important things, what a blessing. >> tell me about your ministry work. i assume, i shouldn't assume but maybe as a star high school athlete, college athlete, did you see this as your life, the ministry work that you are doing now? >> i didn't. it was my time in new orleans when i got to see just some really tough things that i wasn't really had been exposed to and things that shouldn't be, especially in our country, and so i got involved in desire street and hurricane katrina has forced us and given us the opportunity to work in several neighborhoods and so what we do is we come alongside grassroots leaders that live in their communities and empower them so they can be the ones that make the change. our vision is to develop 12 thriving sustainable urban ministries in the next five years. >> what are the doctors telling you as far as prognosis moving forward? >> the doctor i saw is a 70-year-old korean and he said "you the football player." i said yes. he said "no football for you for a while." i said "i'm done." he said "oh, this is good." i should have full recovery of my reflexes. it's a matter of time with energy, fatigue six months a year, hard to say, whatever it is, i trust the lord is good and he'll take me through it. >> congratulations really on the work you're doing. i have been a fan, admired you, even though you played for florida, still, always admired how you handled yourself out there on the field. good talking to you. good luck with the ministry and with your health down the road. sounds like you're going to be okay. if you'd like to read more about danny wuerffel's story go to cnn.com/belief and also share your thoughts there as well. we're up on 38 minutes past the hour. 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[ male announcer ] osteo bi-flex. the #1 doctor and pharmacist recommended brand. backed down, flinched, moved the caucus to february. earlier this month the party changed the caucus date to january 14th, they wanted to make sure nevada was a key player in the early voting process. then new hampshire started talking about shifting its primary to early or mid-december to save its first in the nation primary status. i spoke with the nevada gop chairwoman, amy tarkanian last week when we were out in vegas for the debate about a possible change in nevada. listen to what she said then. >> i'm still in communications with our governor, the rnc and the state executive board, but as of right now, we are on the 14th. as of now. >> reporter: as of now, but that is different from the answer you gave me a few days ago when you said absolutely not on the table. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: it is on the table at least now moving the caucuses? >> i don't set the table at home. as of now, that's where we're at. >> all right, amy tarkanian on the line with me now and you're laughing already. when you told me you don't set the table at home, i knew then something's up. just a couple of days before what we just played you told me, no way. it's not going to happen. amy, what changed? >> right, well, we do have a central committee and they -- you know, quite honestly, they were just so frustrated and disgusted by everything that's going on with the chain of events that started with florida and following with new hampshire. point blank they wanted their delegates back so i called the rnc and i said look at this point in the game can we have our delegates back and they said yes so that's what we did. we went right back to february 4th. we're still first in the west, and we have our delegates back. >> amy you said the committee is what they wanted, some of your committee out there. is this what you wanted or did you want to keep the 14th? >> i do represent the people here in nevada, so i point blank went back to what the people wanted, and that's what we are representing. >> we're talking about what the people want and i'm asking what you wanted. >> t.j., i'm the voice of the people, and so that's exactly what i'm supposed to represent and that's what i'm doing. >> okay, well it sounds like this might have been against your wishes and again, i sat there and talked to you in vegas and you looked me in the eye and i think you had the courage of your convictions at the time, you really wanted that 14th date. why not the 17th, which was discussed as well, pushing it back three days which would have allowed new hampshire to go the second week of january? was the 17th a date that was talked about? >> no, that's not an option, because we need to have a saturday for our caucus, a number of our candidates, you know, they've already had their places picked out. we need to have a full day and saturday always the point of the vehicle for us. >> amy, how much pressure did you come under? because when we talked on tuesday i knew that santorum at least and some other candidates, santorum expressed he wasn't going to be a part of the caucus and a lot of people were i assume putting some pressure behind the scenes on to you move this date. how much was it? >> you know, it wasn't really about pressure. quite honestly i think it was more about distraction. this turned into a debacle, if you will, which is unfortunate, and we just need to move forward. i felt no pressure. it was just a matter of fact that it was distraction. >> have you talked yet to the new hampshire secretary of state? you all kind of trading barbs in the media and you had some words for each other, if you will, but have you all made up? >> i don't -- no. >> you have not. >> no. >> would you like to? >> no, but the new hampshire gop, though, and myself, we get along very well. >> but it sounds like there's still a bit of bad blood between the nevada gop and the secretary of state of new hampshire. >> no. >> i don't want to put words in your mouth. you can tell me. >> there's no bad blood. quite onnehonestly, we took thee yesterday so i still have plenty of time to call the new hampshire secretary of state. t.j., if you'd like, i can call them tomorrow. >> well, let me know how that conversation goes and miss tarkanian as i let you go, i don't want to be talking to you here next week and you tell me this date has changed. so this is final? >> no, the date cannot change from here on out, no. we are done. the central committee took the vote. >> but i've heard that before from you, amy are tatarkanian. >> that's right. >> thank you for getting up early and hopping on the line. i'm sure we will be in touch. >> absolutely, i appreciate it. thank you. >> all right, the head of the gop out there in nevada. as we get close to the top of the hour now, the world population is going up, the birth rate in the u.s. actually going down. what's behind the baby slump as it's called here in the states. stay with me. next week, the earth's population will reach 7 billion and while babies are born worldwide every five seconds, the birth rate in the u.s. is actually going down. our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen has more in this week's "health for her." >> any parent can tell you that kids can be expensive and as the economies that gotten worse people are choosing to have fewer children. if you compare 2007 when the economy was doing well with 2010, we're talking about 300,000 fewer children. take a look at this graph and you can see the correlation. on the far left in 2002, until 2007, things were doing pretty well, and that number is going up, up, up, people were choosing to have more children. it hit its peak in 2007 with the highest birth rate in that time period and then it's been coming down ever since. and here is exactly how expensive children can be. it costs between $8,000 and $20,000 a year to raise a child, depending upon well how fancy the clothes are, whether they go to private or public school and all of that. if you look at the numbers this way from birth to 18, the cost of raising a child is between $206,000 and $477,000, with housing, food and child care being the biggest expenses. it seems a lot of women are saying, i think we're going to delay this or we're not going to have a child right now and of course that makes a lot of sense for a lot of families but also remember if you think oh i'll just have children when we've got more money in our bank account, that could be a little problematic. you may be so old that you need fertility treatments, and that can cost a lot of money. back to you. top of the hour, reynolds wolf will join me here in just a moment and give you the latest on the huge earthquake, 7.2 was the magnitude assigned by thes usgs and desperate search to find people under collapsed buildings. 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"state of the union" with candy crowley coming up in why minutes, her guests tooed will be the secretary of the state as well as the vice president, about you let me give you an update and reynolds joining me for this, this powerful.2 m7.2 magnitude quake that hit 12 miles north of the city of van. the most powerful earthquake they've seen in at least a decade. reynolds you've been saying this is an earthquake prone area. some of the videos we're seeing, reports of collapsed buildings, people digging through the rubble, trying to find any survivors, but again, reynolds, this is an earthquake prone area. >> absolutely. this is a place that's been dealing with them as long as you've had people there, as long as you've had the tectonic plates moving, you've had this kind of possibility of damage, obviously with a lot of people living in the area, some places, van possibly population over 1 million people. we have this chart we want to share with you, this is the estimated fatality alert from the usgs, and right now we've got about a 64% chance of fatalities, not injuries but fatalities ranging anywhere from 1 to 100,000. in terms of cost, the usgs is following that also, potential damage in terms of dollars, u.s. dollars, about a 34% chance of being anywhere from $10 billion to $100 billion worth of damage. they've had the initial quake and quite a few aftershocks as we zoom in, you see the spot, a 7.2 quake, the big one we've been referring to. we may