Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow 20150321

I know it is the middle of the night there. Well get to you in a moment. Also well talk about the iranu. S. Nuclear negotiations what is the latest erin mcpike will join us from the white house with that. We are live in baghdad with more on this seems like a sudden u. S. Troop withdrawal from yemen. We have seen this pairing down over the past few months because of security concerns there, embassy closing, et cetera but what is it that led to this sort of final evacuation of all of the rest of the u. S. Troops on the ground there . Reporter well sources in the region poppy, familiar with the situation say that the u. S. Is now in the process of evacuating these hundred members of these special Operations Force from the alan anad air base. Its not a specific threat that led to the decision but overall security situation. The security has been deteriorating over the past few months. We saw evacuation shutdown of the u. S. Embassy last month. Theres been a lot of concern about how this is going to impact the u. S. Counterterrorism operations there as we know. The u. S. Has been actively targeting the leadership of one of al qaedas top franchises the most dangerous in the world. Al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, aqap and the political situation, political crisis is worsening, the security vacuum also there in the country, the u. S. Lost its ally in recent months the government of the president , a close u. S. Ally in the fight against terrorism there pushed out by the shia rebels and theres been concern about how the u. S. Will continue this fight against terrorism there, and, of course the extremist groups like aqap consolidating their presence in the midst of this instability in the country, and, poppy, a lot of concern about the emergence also possibly of isis there with the recent attacks we saw on friday reportedly claimed by isis. Yeah i mean, more than 130 People Killed in the attacks yesterday at two mosques there in yemen. Isis saying it is us. Heres the thing. It was less than a year ago president obama really hailed the cooperation between the United States and yemen in terms of fighting terrorism saying this strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. So what does this do now to the relationship between the u. S. And yemen . Reporter well the u. S. Was relying there on an ally that no longer has much power. Of course the president there pushed out now in the southern part of the country in the city there, and its unclear what the u. S. Is going to be doing. If you look at there is really no government in that country at this point in time. The rebels are in control of sanaa, but that does not mean they are a u. S. Ally. They are believed to be supported by iran one of their main slogans is death to america. Poppy, a lot of concern about what it means with no partner on the ground to help the United States in the fight depending on drone strikes alone is obviously going to be an issue in the fight against terrorism there, and, of course this is not only an issue in yemen only poppy. If you look at the rest of the region also a lot of concern about whats going on in libya, too. This instability in the post revolution countries in 2011 is a real concern for the United States and, of course the global terrorism threat there. It is absolutely and add to that what happened in tunisia, what weve seen as the one sort of Success Story in forming a new government after the arab spring coupled with libya and yemen, its a complete, complete mess. Thank you so much appreciate it very much. Nuclear negotiations between the u. S. And iran have taken a short break, but a noticeable upbeat tone. Irans president today saying a deal is possible by the end of the month, but did note that those final steps and details will be difficult. That optimism ceo korechoed later by john kerry in london for other negotiating partners in europe including germany and france saying, quote, substantial progress has been made but cautioned time is clearly of the essence. Erin mcpike has the latest. Reporter there should be pictures there of john kerry meeting with british, french and german counterparts and briefing them on intensive talks he had with iran earlier this week. As he said this morning, there are still some significant gaps that do remain on both sides. Good morning, everybody. We recognize that fundamental decisions have to be made now, and they do not get any easier as time goes by. It is time to make hard decisions. Reporter john kerry says they have made progress trying to put the finishing touches on the outline of a potential nuclear deal. In the days ahead, we will stay at this. We have not yet reached the finish line. Make no mistake, we have the opportunity to try to get this right. Its a matter of political be will. Reporter with the deadline just ten days away irans foreign minister assessed that progress. It is possible at any time. It depends on the political route to reach one. Reporter he warned on twitter its time rt u. S. And its allies to give a little to get a deal done. Major differences remain in a last ditch effort president obama made his own appeal to the iranian people warning no deal would make their conditions underwestern sanctions even worse. Irans leaders have a choice between two paths. If they cannot agree to a reasonably deal they will keep iran on the path its on today, a path thats isolated iran and iranian people from so much of the world, caused so much hardship for iranian families, and deprived so many young iranians the jobs and opportunities they deserve. The allies and iran are still working on such issues as how long a deal would last a system for verifying iran is complying with the measures put in place, and not secretly developing a Nuclear Weapon and when the tough sanctions against them would en. The president believes and i think with some justification, that we need to see the iranians demonstrate some sustained commitment to implementing the agreement befr we talk about removing all the sanctions. Reporter now there is still significant opposition on capital hill but the white house got relief this week when the Senate Republicans decided to kick back a vote on acquiring congressional approval on any kind of deal that president obama can reach until midapril after the frame work of a deal would be reached by the end of march, poppy . That seems like a really big deal to me erin the fact that corker and other republicans said all right, hold off for three weeks to see where it goes. Any idea why the change of heart there . There are democrats opposed to the deal too, poppy, but they have not liked the way this came together and democrats are listening to the white house when they say that having a vote before this deal would reach would have a profoundly negative impact on getting anything done. At this point in Time Congress listened to the white house on this. How about the back and forth between Benjamin Netanyahu and the white house this week . President obama calling him two days after he won that key election a lot of people say, why wait so long using the word reassess when talking about the u. S. Israeli relationship. You wonder how that impacts negotiations with iran. Poppy, we are seeing its crystallizing the opposition because, of course Benjamin Netanyahu feels like he has a mandate, and hes going to do everything he can to stand in the way of this kind of deal, and republicans, especially a number of Senate Republicans on capitol hill support him on this one. All right, erin mcpike at the white house, appreciate it. New developments in the deadly attack at the tunisia museum. They arrested more than 20 suspected militants, this three days after a gunman opened fire in the museum and 23 were killed most of them Foreign Tourists 44 others injured. Meanwhile, hundreds of tunisians gather for a memorial mass lighting candles to remember victims. Isis claimed responsibility for the horrific attack saying the bloodshed is just the start. Cnn cannot independently confirm the authenticity of that message. All right. Another story well follow out of new orleans. We told you about the airport attack on a tsa agent at new orleans main airport late last night. We are expecting a press briefing to see how the victim is doing and what we know about the suspect. Thats next. Bring us your baffling. Bring us your audacious. We want your sticky notes, sketchbooks, and scribbles. Lets pin em to the wall. Kick em around. Kick em around, see what happens. 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I want to thank the public and passengers after the event did not panic, but worked with us and the airport, as you know a lot of the flights moved from concourse b to c, and everything went about as well as it possibly could go urn the most difficult of circumstances, so with that, id like to turn it over to jefferson parrish, the Sheriffs Officer, norman here last night, working throughout the night with all the team of the First Responders and then well follow that with the acting administrator. Sheriff norm. Thank you, mayor. I really appreciate your comments and all of the comments of all of the participating agencies here. The airport officials were second to none not any panic, acted in a deliberate way, made the airport safe and secure and immediately put plans in place to move incoming and outbound flights to a different concourse to shut down and work through our crime scene issues that we had on concourse b. To the mayor, i thank you as well as the pd who showed up on mass. We accomplished a lot of things last night we would not have been ail to accomplish without the police assistance, as well as fbi, atf and state police and so many others. Obviously, the tsa. So not unlike other incidents like this around the country, there was a desire on the airport officials and my part to get as much information in the hands of the media as possible in a very short period of time. Based on some original witness statements there were a few things that were mentioned in the First Press Conference last night that were actually factually incorrect, and i would like to try and address those first. There was not a member of the traveling public who was actually had a bullet graze wound. That was a mistake. There was a couple of members of the public that had some cuts and bruises, none of which from the perpetrateor, and i think thats how that story took off is they saw folks with a bleeding arm or Something Like that, and it took on a life of its own. The tsa agent that we put out, everyone thought that she had gotten hit by the machete. The fact of the matter is that while trying to she was being chased by the perpetrator with the machete. He was probably within three to four feet of her as they were running up the exit ramp to the concourse. The run running towards the officer. The officer began to fire because he was gaining on her very quickly. Fired the first shot i believe in this point in time were not certain, is the one that actually struck the tsa agent in the tricep of her right arm. Two more shots were fired by the officer. The perp was hit three times. Right now, preliminarily, we believe the through and through wound on the tsa agent actually struck the perpetrator as well. So those were a couple things that initially that we had from witness statements and there were a couple other things that we cleared very late last night. When we got an stunt early on in the evening to see the security video, as i said earlier, he came down one of the lanes, ducked under one of the ropes, got into the tsa prelane, got out of the tsa prelane, got in a regular lane and approached the first tsa agent. He had a bag in his hand. We didnt know that at first and, in fact, all the witnesses, of course so being chased with wasp stray and a machete, never noticed the bag. Once we determined in a security videos he had a bag, we secured the area off, and within 12 to 15 or so minutes, we began to smell a gas smell, so we immediately moved all of the passengers that were outside of concourse b across the terminal building to the other side and secured that area off and called for our bomb squad. Simultaneously we found his car. The car was parked on the upper ramp. Once we were able to determine that he was to longer a taxi cab driver we were looking for a taxi. We began running plates in order to determine any other cars that were abandoned, and we came across his car on the ramp. The bomb squad went into the car, found some smoke bombs that you use at new years eve and fourth of july in the car, and we also found three tanks in the trunk of the car in a freon tank and oxygen tank. We dont know at this time what the intended purpose of those being in the trunk of the car actually are. We also began, as i said simultaneously to process the bag. We noticed a liquid was leaking out of the bag, and once the bomb squad cleared the automobile we then moved to the bag. What the bag revealed was six half pint may onjars with cloth wicks into a liquid we now know to be gasoline which you would commonly refer to as a cocktail. He had a barbecue lighter in the bag. He also had a letter opener plastic, and it was some crushed powdery material found near his body with green fuses or wicks which we determined preliminarily at this point in time to be smoke bombs that had been crushed. Obviously, he has been unconscious. Hes still alive. We very much want the opportunity to talk to him. Were not sure that thats actually going to happen. His family has been very cooperative. We have been able to determine that there is a Mental Illness component here thats presented. Theyve been very cooperative. Some of the witnesses that the media have interviewed about his demeanor, weve been able to validate calm cool collected, nothing out of the ordinary. No one in this point in time has any notion to what may have triggered this behavior. Not up like dealing with the mentally ill, sometimes you will never know what triggers some of this type of behavior. So i want to thank his wife and his kids. You know they have been very cooperative with us. In fact we made special arrangements for them to go see him at the hospital which is against our policy. But because of the level of cooperation, the nature of the situation, the family being so forthright in cooperating with us we all felt it was the right thing to do. He is a jehovahs witness so theres certain time of medical care hes refused at this point in time. Were in Constant Contact with the medical officials at the airport. Lieutenant, my officer, is doing well. We never want to have to pull our gun. I have to say in the case of a fairly large man with a machete and a can of wasp spray running towards you and right on the agents tail so to speak, she did an incredible job. She stood her ground. She exhibited deliberate leadership in every way, shape, and form one can think of and ended up having, unfortunately to fire three shots. You know when you get into situations like this bad things happen. Good things happen. Unfortunately, hes injured, but fortunately, he did not seriously hurt anybody. I have to say in summation relating to all of this, all the folks at the check point did everything humanly possible they could do in my view to ensure the traveling public was safe. None of these people are armed with anything. Just their hands. Thats it. Hes wielding a machete this long and spraying folks to disable them with wasp spray in the face so that they dont confront him and they dont get app an opportunity to fight or encounter with him. But they stood their ground as much as they could. In many cases, delayed certain things and i think caused some confusion to where he headed back up the exit lane into our officer. Had he made it down the concourse, who knows. Nobody will ever know. Im sure someones going to ask that question. We just dont know. We dont know what his intent was because we have not really been able to debrief this particular subject. So with that i think we have some other folks and tsa ad min straiter. Thank you very much. Let me add my thanks mayor, sheriff, and executive director and to the board as well. Yesterday was an example of what heroism is really about. I am so proud of carol and the work force we have at this airport. Its app example of what focustomission is about, to secure the traveling public. You know immediately after this incident occurred members of tsa in the work force were back on duty doing their responsibility of securing the traveling public. Thats focus to duty. Its because of the training with the members and partnership here at this airport that a lot of folks lives were saved. They practice monthly about evacuation drills and that was helpful. Carol made it very clear about what needed to occur at the check point. It was that bravery, which leads me to the third point of leadership. Thats really what it really comes down to. Both from the Law Enforcement perspective, what officer sleev did was just instinct. It was the responsibility that all Law Enforcement officers have, and she reacted swiftly, forcefully and commanded the situation. What we dont talk about often, and i think the sheriff simply alluded to it is what happens after the fact . The passengers here were taken care of. There may have been delays but people got to the next point because were focused upon what that mission truly is about. Officer sleev took care of the scene. Fbi was here as well. Ive had conversations with them they are actively involved in this investigation as well and as the investigation moves down the course there, theres certainly more information that will be provided to everyone involved but more importantly, i cant tell you enough about how proud i am of men and women here at new orleans and international airport. Thank you so very much for your officers and what theyve done. I appreciate it so very much. Officers tsa on the line i mean what is important is this uniform is what you see to represent most often federal government. This is what you see. And because of the work that they do we all can be safe. Its the confidence that they provide to the traveling public that goes sight unseen. Im so grateful for each and every one of them for the work they do. Thank you, mayor, for the opportunity. I just want to say that i was very impressed by the performance of the First Responders last night. In february the chief of police hosted a Shooter Drill in the school and we got to watch how all the agencies came together got on the same frequencies and worked together and thats clearly what we saw last night. I got the call from the emergency director, get to the airport, theres an incident. By the time i got to the airport well keep an eye on the press conference for you. 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And a new century of American Energy security. The new Energy Superpower . Its red, white and blue. Log on to learn more. Well from the chaos and terror breaking out at the new Orleans Airport last night with a man trying to attack a tsa agent with a machete emerged a hero by the name of carol. She spoke at the press conference surviving this attack attempt. Listen to what she had to say about going through it and protecting the people around her at the same time. Well all i have to say is tsa spends a lot of time having us trained, and we trained and trained unbeknownst to a lot of people so we are trained to how to react to different situations. When this all started happening coming down it was second nature. You know we we want to make sure the passengers are safe and so we tell them run, run, you got to get out of here run. With that we know they are leaving. We know we count on the ones there with the weapons to be able to protect us and so i have to say officer sleev is my hero. She saved my life. The man was within inches of whacking me, and she saved me life and probably a lot of others not to mention a lot of injuries. Can you describe what happened . What did you see . What i saw originally was one of the officers getting sprayed with the wasp spray. He took a bag, threw it at the guy, slowing him down enough that when he came through, and i was yelling for everybody to clear the check point, and then we all took off and ran towards her, and i was calling run, run to get away from him, and i was calling, and she was there and alert, and she just she save a lot of peoples lives. This man was swinging very hard very hard with that machete, and if he made contact with anybody it would have been terrible. I just feel like our job as tsa is to protect the passengers and im proud to say they were protected. I did not hear him say anything. I looked over the shoulder and once i yelled for the check point to be cleared, i looked over my shoulder, and he was comeing after me and i ran as fast as i could, and thank god, you know the officer was as close as she was because i wouldnt be here today. Its fine. Its the bullet went through here and here and i was fortunate that it just it went through the tricep but hit no tendons. You know did not hit the bone. Ill be fine. Ill be fine. Did you realize how close . I did. Originally i thought the machete hit me. I did not realize it was a bullet until i got to the hospital because i do better not looking at an injury [ laughter ] and so i knew he was close, so i honestly thought he hit me and she shot him, and once i got to the hospital i saw the two holes and the two holes in the shirt, and so you know all else i can say is thank god she was there. Like i said she my hero and i want to also thank my tsa family. The screening manager was there immediately. When i went to the hospital he made sure that somebody came there, one of my dear friends was there with me to get me home another friend who was in arkansas got a call from somebody here and she sent her husband there to the hospital to make sure i was okay. Weve had a tightknit group and a great group. A lot of support. I had a chance to talk to quite a few of the officers this morning, and come to find out that carol is very well respected throughout the work force here at tsa, and what really provided a great deal of motivation for the officers is the fact shes here today and came to see them and that speaks volumes. There were [ applause ] thank you. There you heard it in her own words, carol, the tsa agent who a mentally ill man tried to attack with a machete last night at the new Orleans Airport is fine. She was actually grazed by a bullet coming from a Police Officer who was able to shoot and take down the suspect. She is calling that Police Officer her hero. The Police Officer also a woman, hopefully the two of them get together. We are joined now, what an amazing story of survival keeping all the people there, the passengers safe as well from the mentally ill man. We just listened to a long press conference from the mayor there of new orleans, the sheriff of jefferson parish. What stood out to you in new details about the attempted attack . Its interesting. Saying Richard White is unconscious so they have not been able to interview him, but the family is cooperating, and they immediately got access to the car, and what they found was a revealing. Not only large tanks of gas that they still are not quite sure what they were going to be used for, but they found six molotov cocktails, which does not sound good. This was a man armed not only with a very large machete and insecticide, basically bug spray, but molotov cocktails. As soon as hes well enough if he is, to interview, well get his state of mind and motivations. I think the fact he had other weapons in the car lets us know straight away that this was not something that just set him off. He was planning something. Intentions, they said they also had found a plastic letter opener some smoke bombs. What they did say is that the family is cooperating, being very helpful, and the man is indeed mentally ill. Exactly. I think from the very beginning they said this looks like an isolated incident. Its not a case of National Security but with the suspect unconscious, its hard to get to the core of this. What was the motivation . Especially because youve seen in reports of local media, such a nice and quiet man. So where did this come from . Thats of course, what weve all been asking. I saw reports, though the condition is improving, had surgery, and is improving. Theres a chance were hearing from him and what he was going after. And if anyone else was working with him, does not look like it but they want to know everything they can. The danger that tsa agents are in. This is not the first time, atsa agent attacked and killed in the los angeles airport. They are not armed. Exactly. Many more details at the top of the hours at 4 00 p. M. Eastern. We have other news including this taking heap from some and garnering applause from others about serving up Straight Talk with your coffee. A conversation with the starbucks ceo working on getting people talking about Race Relations in this country. Thats next. In my world, wall isnt a street. Return on investment isnt the only return im looking forward to. For some every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. Which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college. Our commitment to current and former military members and their families is without equal. Start investing with as little as fifty dollars. Will you help us find a house for you and your brother . Woooooah youre not just looking for a house. Youre looking for a place for your life to happen. Zillow an effort to talk about Race Relations in america over a cup of coffee sparked debate online and offline. This week star bucks ceo, Howard Schultz, started the race campaign. Hoping to start a conversation about race. They write race together on cupping of coffee if they want and encouraged to talk about it. Others argue the company overstepped its boundaries. Others say more ceos should speak out like this. Earlier this week i spoke with Howard Schultz, the ceo of starbucks, asking him why he took this on. I was, like many of us in the country, watching the Cultural Divide and the racial issues in ferguson and new york and cleveland and most recently in madison, wisconsin, and as a result of that i decided to have a series of town Hall Meetings internally at starbucks, and all of the meetings were unscripted, but yet they were all the same and that was people sharing their Life Experience and with great empathy, compassion and understanding, i think we all had a better understanding coming out of those meetings what it was like to be that person of color, to be that person who is discriminated against. We all have unconscious bias and perhaps through education and understanding we would be able to move the country forward. Were not going to solve the race problem, but perhaps by leaning into it we can have a positive effect on a National Conversation. You know hour you were quoted in a Time Magazine article recently saying people warned you not to touch this issue, that it was just too hot button an issue and not to go near it. Can you tell us who advised you of that, and why did you go ahead with it . Well, first off, this an issue i brought into the board room over the last few quarters and to the boards credit they understood that this is an issue of facing the country, not only people of color, but the entire country, and perhaps we could have a positive oeskteffect but certainly there were friends of mine and people at starbucks who felt this was not an issue that we should engage in and i rejected that. I rejected that because if we all individually and collectively continue to be a bystander on something dividing the nation where is this headed . Youre 61 years old. You were 11 years old when the march in selma happened. I wonder when was your First Experience witnessing racism . Well i grew up in federally subsidized housing, the projects in brooklyn. All the buildings in the projects were made up of diverse peopler, lower class and lower middle class. I was color behind. I did not see color. I did not see race at an early age. That impresented me with understanding how to get along with all kinds of people. I have not had personal experiences of discrimination. Right. But im not coming at this because something happened to me. Im coming at this because im looking at the landscape of the country, the outrage that is going on in cities across the country, ferguson is not an outliner. This is happening in many places. And how much are we going to absorb and take before we take some steps as citizens as businesses as newscasters to do something that is positive opposed to being reactive in saying this is the way things are. Some people say, good talk about it and other people say the coffee shop is not the place for this and they feel like this is the conversation that i want to have . Whats your response to some of that concern that people say maybe havethis is just to the the platform for such important discussions . All we see is how serious the problem is asking ourselves what can we do given the assets we have and what we do every day to try and elevate the conversation in a voluntary way, but, again, its that is a small piece of the puzzle. The big piece of the puzzle is were creating real serious content to be a tool for people to take home to read to understand and perhaps one person in every store will be better informed than as a result of that have more empathy and understanding and compassion to others. If we do that then the companys successful. This is not about the stock price or pr or marketing. I think this is a bigger issue, and that is that companies, i believe, have a deeper responsibility today to their people in the communities we serve, and im trying to use our scale for good. Thats the bottom line. Let me show you our viewers this Time Magazine cover you were on. It shows a box unchecked for 2016 candidate. You and starbucks have taken a clear position progressive position on gun control, gay marriage jobs wages, veterans and now on racism. To many this sounds like a position list for a future president ial candidate. I know i asked and im going to ask again. Are you considering at all a run for the white house . I have no plans whatsoever to run for political office. Im very happy in the job i have and i think i can use the position in the platform i have for good and thats what im trying to do. So well talk about this after the break. The question is will this Campaign Work . Yesterday, starbucks launched a partnership with usa today. You might have seen it in your paper. In an oped, it was called a wonderful, but flawed plan. My conversation with him next. Before the break you heard from starbucks ceo howard shuts discussing the campaign the company is launching this week encouraging the people across this country to have frank conversations about Race Relations. Time magazine columnist and nba ledge end Kareem Abduljabbar wrote this im in ah awe hes willing to endure the lame coffee jokes from pundits and Death Threats from clueless trolls all with nothing personally or corporately to gain and a lot to lose. But while im in awe of his hutzbah im shocked this will actually work. Even though Howard Schultzs idea may be flawed he is acting to help realize the vision of america to save it from its own worst impulses. Earlier i spoke with Kareem Abduljabbar. Joining me now is the legendary Kareem Abduljabbar author of stealing the game and a true legend when it comes to the game of basketball. Thanks for being with me sir. I appreciate it. Happy to talk to you. Youre also a columnist for time. And this week you wrote a column as we just told our viewers about starbucks race together campaign. You call this a noble goal but a flawed plan. Why is that . Well i think that a coffee shop might be an awkward place to start discussions about race. Some people might be put off by it. And most people in starbucks are usually theyre strangers to each other. And its kind of hard to cobble together a decent discussion. I think those types of discussions would be much better suited for schools, like a civics class, or just a Public Awareness type of situation where you talk to kids and students and get them to understand about each other. In my book stealing the game i talk about how sports works as a medium where people from different backgrounds can get together and find out about each other because they have this one thing in common that being the sport that they all love. So you know i guess people who love coffee might get to a point where they can talk about race. But its kind of a haphazard thing. But you know its interesting. I interviewed Howard Schultz the ceo of starbucks this week about it. He said look this is not going to solve the race problem. And were not a perfect company. But he kept reiterating, i cannot stand by and watch this happen in our country. In your op ed you say this is putting morality above profit. Are you glad to see the start, even if its not perhaps in your opinion the right place . Oh, im thrilled to see him trying to use whatever means he has in an effort to get this discussion started. I mean i absolutely admire him for going out on a limb like that and trying to get a discussion started. That he is that concerned and that aware of how much of a problem this can be. And i commend him for that. I just had a little bit of criticism having to do with the fact that its kind of tough to get something up and going in a meaningful way in a coffee shop. You write in your piece, im in shock and awe, in awe that the company is trying it shocked they think it will work. You know ceos of different companies. Im wondering if you think more ceos should come out and do Something Like this. I think a whole lot more ceos should try to figure out a way that they can get this conversation going and have it be meaningful. I think that anybody, any businessman who has a lot of employees, can really make some headway here because the workplace now is so diverse, men, women, people of all descriptions and backgrounds, i think that the workplace would be a good place to start these types of things. You point in your piece to a harvard study. And you write, the majority of white americans dont think racism is still a significant problem. Karim, what do you think the one most significant thing is that could be done in this country some way somehow, to change that to change things for the better . Oh, just to get people informed as to how bad it can be. I was surprised to see how many people were unaware of the things that were going on in ferguson that had been going on for decades. Just a total trampling on the rights of black citizens in and around the ferguson area. It was outrageous. It had been going on for a long time. But it was tolerated because people werent aware of it. So by talking about these things we can effect change. And we can get people to a point where they understand that something has to change there. No one would tolerate that on an ongoing basis if they had any means of changing it. And i think that just the fact that these facts have come out and theyre undeniable maybe we can do something about it and start the Movement Toward inequitable and a fair society where everybody gets equal protection under the law. Im glad were having this conversation across the country. Thank you so much for coming on with us Kareem Abduljabbar. I appreciate it. Its my pleasure, poppy. Nice talking to you. You as well. Thank you, sir. Youre welcome. Well coming up next were going to let you hear from a hero. A hero from tsa who someone attempted to attack with a machete. Last night she survived and protected others. Her story in her own words next. Hey pal . You ready . Can you pick me up at 6 30 . Ah. boy im here im here cop too late. I was gone for five minutes ugh move it. Youre killing me. You know what, dad . Im good. dad it may be quite a while before hes ready, but our Subaru Legacy will be waiting for him. vo the longestlasting midsize sedan in its class. 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I want to hear what she had to say then well talk about the details you learned. Listen to this. What i have to say is tsa spends a lot of time having us trained. And we train and train, unbeknownst to a lot of people. So we are trained to how to react to different situations. When this all started happening coming down, it was second nature. We want to make sure that the passengers are safe. So we tell them run, run, you got to get out of here. Run. And with that we know theyre leaving. And we know that were counting on the officers there the ones to protect us. I have to say officer sleeve is my hero. She saved my life. The man was within inches of whacking me with a machete and she did save my life. And saved probably a lot of others. Not to mention a lot of injuries. [ inaudible ]. What i saw originally was one of the officers getting sprayed with the wasp spray. He took a bag and threw it at the guy, which slowed him down enough that when he came through and i was yelling for everybody to clear the checkpoint and then we all took off and ran towards where the leo was. And i was calling run, run, for them to get away from him. And i was calling for the leo so she was there and alert. And she just she saved a lot of peoples lives. This man was swinging very hard very hard with that machete. If he would have made contact with anybody it would have been terrible. And i just feel like our job as tsa is to protect the passengers and im proud to say they were protected. [ inaudible ]. I didnt hear him say anything. I looked over my shoulder. Once i yelled for the checkpoint to be cleared, i looked over my shoulder and he was coming after me. And i ran as fast as i could. And thank god, you know the officer was as close as she was. Because i wouldnt be here today. [ inaudible ]. Yeah, i did. [ inaudible ]. Oh, its fine. The bullet went through here and here. I was fortunate it went through the tricep but it didnt hit any tendons, didnt hit the bone. Ill be fine. Ill be fine. [ inaudible ]. I did. I did. I thought originally i thought the machete hit me. I didnt realize it was a bullet. I did not realize it was a bullet until i got to the hospital. Because i do better not looking at an injury . [ laughter ] and so i knew he was close. So i honestly thought he hit me and then she shot him. And once i got to the hospital i saw the two holes and the two holes in my shirt. And all i could say is, thank god she was there. Like i said she is my hero. And i want to say, i also want to thank my tsa family my screening manager was up there immediately. And when i went to the hospital he made sure somebody came there. One of my dear friends was there with me to get me home. Another friend who was in arkansas got a call from somebody here and she sent her husband there to the hospital to make sure i was okay. Weve got a very tightknit group and a very great group. A lot of support. Wow. What a hero. Shasta darlington has been covering this story, joins me now. Amazing that she is in such good spirit after what she went through last night. Absolutely. She had the presence of mind when this man with a machete is chasing after her to shout run run and also that detail that another tsa agent threw a piece of luggage at him to slow him down. These people have been trained. Although they arent armed are clearly carrying out the training. Also what we learned in the last hour is that this man, mentally disturbed, was clearly plotting something bigger because of what they found in his car. Thats right. Weve got some interesting details from the sheriff. On the one hand Richard White is unconscious so they havent been able to interview him. They believe it he acted alone, that hes mentally unstable. The family has been cooperating. They got more details out of the car which they quickly isolated after the attack. Listen to what the sheriff said. Six halfpint mason jars with cloth wicks into a liquid that we now know to be gasoline which you would commonly refer to as a molotov cocktail. He had a barbecue lighter in the bag. He also had a letter opener plastic, and there was some crushed powdery material found near his body with green fuses or wicks, which weve determined preliminarily at this point in time to be smoke bombs that had been crushed. What we see is yes he was planning this for awhile. But also that he had the material to really inflict much greater damage poppy. And luckily he didnt. I know that they said that the suspect is unconscious, but theyre hoping that he will recover also because they want to talk to him and find out more details. Do they have any inclination of what could have motivated this . What weve seen from reporting is that neighbors and friends are talk about what a mildman mildmannered person he was. Obviously theyre getting more details from the family. We heard the sheriff saying that the family is being absolutely cooperative, so cooperative that hes welcomed them to visit Richard White at the hospital and maybe maybe if the police cant get something out of him the family can, poppy. This brings up a really important question. That is should tsa agents be armed. This isnt the first time right . 2013 november tsa agent attacked and killed in los angeles. Exactly. Exactly. I think its a question that we should all be asking. Absolutely. And i think a job that is often thankless. So we should all thank our ts agents today especially. Thank you. Coming up next were going to switch gears, talk about what looks like progress in the negotiation, between the United States and iran to reach a nuclear deal by the deadline at the end of the month. Thats next. 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Isis is calling that attack on those mosques yesterday just the tip of the iceberg. We dont know for sure if this was actually carried out by isis or if theyre just claiming responsibility. But cnn terrorism analyst paul crook shank tells us what may have been the motivating factor here. Isis in yemen have only ever claimed responsibility for one other attack in the country. That was earlier this month. Theyre very fledgling group within yemen. But whoever did this this was very calculated. I think the strategy was the same with that attack on the golden mosque in samarra, iraq in february 2006 by zakawi which is to try to provoke the shia to have a kind of overreaction, go off to the soviet unionhe sunnis and drive them into the arms of al qaeda. A dire warning from france. Dire warning from the french Prime Minister saying europe faces an unprecedented terrorist threat. Its not a matter of if theyre going to be more terrorist attacks but when there are going to be more terrorist attacks. European officials telling me that isis are planning attacks in europe right now. All right. Well from the situation in yemen to the talks over Irans Nuclear ambitions, u. S. Secretary of state john kerry in london today consulting with five other world powers included in these negotiations. Earlier today kerry sounded cautiously optimistic frankly, that a deal could be struck by the end of the month. That key deadline. Erin mcpike joins me from the white house with the latest. So hes in london. I know hes talking to his counterparts in germany and france from the u. K. Do we know when these talks in switzerland with iran are going to resume . Reporter poppy, yes. And secretary kerry is actually coming back to washington for the next three days for some business here. And then he will be returning to loussanne, switzerland for more talks. They have about a week left for those talks to yield any progress. Secretary kerry made a statement earlier today, and he laid out where things stand. Listen here. We are not rushing. This has been a 2 1 2 year or more process. But we recognize that fundamental decisions have to be made now, and they dont get any easier as time goes by. It is time to make hard decisions. We want the right deal that would make the world including the United States and our closest allies and partners safer and more secure. Now, after being briefed by secretary kerry, the British Foreign minister Filip Hammond just made a very brief statement. I want to read a little bit part of that to you because it is important. He said we agreed that substantial progress has been made in some areas, but there are other areas where we do not have agreement. And the time has come now for iran in particular to make some very tough decisions if we are going to see progress made. Poppy, that is very important. Because irans foreign minister has also been saying that theyre making progress but he took to twitter on friday and said its time for the u. S. And its allies to choose between pressure and agreement. Thats very important because obviously iran wants to see the u. S. And its allies capitulate too. There are some gaps as president obama has been saying throughout this process. These gaps do remain. They only have ten dates to work them out to reach a framework for a deal. The gaps on the number of centrifuges allowed and gaps on when the tough tough sanctions on iran might be lifted if they can reach an agreement. Erin thank you very much. Coming up next how does an attorney defend the admitted Boston Marathon bomber . It is a question i will put to our legal experts next. Turn around every now and then i get a little bit tired of craving something that i cant have turn around barbara i finally found the right snack ive lived my whole life here in fairbanks, alaska. 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Prosecutors in the Boston Marathon bombing trial could wrap up their case against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as early as next week. The jury has already seen the bloodsplattered boat where tsarnaev was cornered and captured and where he scrawled a message in the apparent belief that he would be killed. Also shown in court this week dramatic images of one of the open made bombs that tsarnaev allegedly threw at police during that gun fight in watertown, massachusetts. The fire fight ended when tsarnaev jumped in a car and ran over his older brother to get away. Our reporter has more on the chilling testimony. What happened that night in watertown . For the first time jurors heard testimony from the officers involved in the shootout with the tsarnaev brothers. One witness testifying that he recalls both brothers being involved both of them hurling homemade explosives and recalling that they have distinctly different styles of throwing those devices. The jurors saw pictures of a Pressure Cooker bomb embedded in the side of someones car in the courtroom there were also able to inspect other homemade explosives that never detonated. Two pipe bombs and a tupperware bomb a container that had been filled with explosive powder and fuses. Also for the first time the jury and the defendant left the federal courthouse in boston taking a field trip to examine the boat where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was found hiding. After taking a look at that boat they also took a look at railing where he had etched a message stop killing our innocent people and we will stop. David hanniberry was called to the witness stand. Hes the man that found tsarnaev. He said he noticed a gap in the shrink gap that had been covering his boat. When he went outside he saw what he called the body and a lot of blood. Along with the physical evidence jurors also heard about the digital investigation, the search for files on Dzhokhar Tsarnaevs ipod his cell phones thumb drives hard drives and his laptop. One witness testified about combing through those files and finding copies of inspire the recruiting magazine for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. It includes an article on how to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. When the trial resumes on monday jurors will hear more about that digital investigation. In boston alexandra field, cnn. Alex thank you very much for that. This trial once expected to take months has been moving very quickly. The defense opting not to question a lot of the witnesses. Lets talk about it all with our legal analyst, criminal defense attorney danny savalos and defense attorney and former prosecutor paul cowen. What do you make danny first of the strategy for the defense not to question . Not to crossexamine many of these witnesse . Consider who many of these witnesses are. At least in the early days these were victims. So there really wasnt any up side to questioning people. You have to understand the drama that has been unfolding in that court. People who were horribly disfigured being wheeled up in wheelchairs with their service dogs up to the stand. Those are not witnesses that you score any points as a defense attorney or strategically by asking them any questions. It looks bad to the jury. None whatsoever. Your answer should be no questions when the witness is tendered to you with those witnesses. Now were getting into more of the techie side. And theyre introducing a lot of evidence of tweets of computer stuff. And in federal cases, that can be very tedious. Because you need to authenticate those records. It takes a long time. But yes for the most part when it comes to those witnesses, the ones that were injured, there is no real reason to question them on cross. Paul why have the first phase of this trial or is it you have to . Because in the opening statement, the defense said their client Dzhokhar Tsarnaev admits to participating in this horrific bombing. You know poppy, i think thats a question a lot of people are asking. They open saying hey, my clients guilty. But of having done this horrible thing, but he did it because his brother dominated him so dont put him to death. Thats really what theyre arguing ultimately. But in Death Penalty cases, we almost always have a jury trial in both the guilt and innocence phase and the sentencing phase. The reason for that is a defendants not going to plead guilty in the guilt phase because there may be things that will come out as the prosecutor develops the evidence showing that the older brother was more dominant. And youve seen this in some of the cross. As danny was just saying there was no up side, no percentage in questioning a victim. However, when the issue comes up as to who fired a shot who threw a bomb who planned this thing, youre noticing then crossexamination occurs because theyre building this theme that this is a young man, hes only 18 years old. Utterly dominated by an older brother. And therefore should be spared the Death Penalty. Danny, the goal of the defense here is to keep their client alive. Its a federal case. He could get the Death Penalty. Think want that not to happen. However, would it be effective for them at all to put tsarnaev on the stand . That is an agonizing decision for every criminal defense attorney. Because there are many times you think this miebt the instance i can put him on the stand, maybe i can get an acquittal. Jurors also want to hear from the defendant. They try to humanize him. This is not one of those cases. Hes young. He will be no match for the u. S. Attorney. Theyve undoubtedly prepared for that contingency. It would not be a good idea. I dont think the jury would be engendered with any sympathy if this defendant testified. You have to weigh the risk weigh the upsides on the defense side and ask yourself what is there to gain . But more importantly what could i potentially lose . You know danny, i think this is the most fascinating question were coming up on. Will he testify. Theres one reason he could wind up on the stand. And that is if he is this dedicated islamist soldier, in favor of with this horrible ideology why wouldnt he tell his story . Its interesting you bring that up. Interesting theory. Im jealous of my brother who has received the reward he said the highest level of paradise before me. I do not mourn because his spirit is very afive. At the end of this case his attorneys will say give him life in prison. You know what he really wants . Death . That would be the ultimate mar terdom tir him martyrdom for him. The Bar Association in massachusetts has made it very clear they do not want this to be a Death Penalty sentence. Does that impact nipg whatsoever . Does the state Bar Association affect the department of justices decision to seek the Death Penalty . Zero. It goes back to principles of federalism. The federal government as a general rule really doesnt care what the state is asking it to do. And thats been that way since we wrote the constitution. You think it would impact the jury at all . The jury shouldnt know about it. They should never know what the massachusetts Bar Association is saying about Death Penalty. If theyre not on the internet and doing what theyre not supposed to do they shouldnt know anything about that. Its interesting from a moral perspective the Bar Association feels that way. But believe me neither the Bar Association or any other state agency or sometimes even other federal agencies had any effect on the department of justices mission. What most people dont know also is a Bar Association, its just a private club of lawyers. Its not an official government agency. Its just fans you dont pay your dues youre not a member. I didnt say that. So youre not a member. [ overlapping speakers ] we have to get a quick break in were going to talk about another fascinating troubling case. The case of robert durst, the millionaire suspected in potentially numerous murders being held in prison in new orleans right now. Talk about that next. I am totally blind. And sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. This is called non24. Learn more by calling 8448242424. Or visit your24info. Com. Bring us your baffling. Bring us your audacious. We want your sticky notes, sketchbooks, and scribbles. Lets pin em to the wall. Kick em around. Kick em around, see what happens. Because were in the howdoigetthisstartup offtheground business. The takingyourbusiness globalbusiness. 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Imagine loving your numbers. Ask your doctor about invokana®. A new twist in the case of robert durst, the millionaire murder suspect charged with the 2000 murder of a longtime friend. The fbi now wants police in towns where he once lived to study cold cases to see if the eccentric real estate heir could be a suspect in other crimes. Kathy mccormick and robert durst were married in the early 70s. Friends say they started out as any young couple in love but coming from totally different worlds. He the son of the dust family new York Real Estate dynasty, she a young woman with ambitions of her own pursuing a medical degree. But according to kathys close friend ellen strauss, as time went on things changed dramatically. From the beginning it was prince charming and cinderella. Time went by. I would say thought became more and more violent. When i was in law school and she was in medical school i had calls forwarded to where i was. She would call me late at night for hours about his violence. Reporter kathy wrote in her dearry about her abusive marriage. Friends told her to leave him. I used to say leave, get out. The guys crazy. He talks to himself. Leave. Reporter but she stayed. In the hbo documentary the jinx friends say kathy believed her life was in danger. She said to me promise me if something happens youll check it out. Im afraid of bobby. And i just said kathy, of course. Reporter then in january of 1982 kathy disappears. But durst doesnt report it for four days. He later claimed he last saw her when leaving her at a train station to return to new york city for medical school. Her friends and family were devastated. Youre angry that this cant be happening. Youre basically in disbelief. Kathy had a heart of gold. She loved bob. She absolutely loved him at the very beginning. And he was good to her. I believe he loved her. Reporter Law Enforcement had very few leads. We never found her body. We never had a crime scene. She could have met her demise in new york or upstate new york or jersey or any place. Reporter missing person posters went up. But time went on and no kathy. Meanwhile, friends and family were watching robert durst and believed something just didnt seem right. I went through his garbage. And i found that he was throwing her things out right away. Within five weeks, at least of her disappearance. He knew she wasnt coming back. Reporter durst was questioned but never charged. The investigation into kathys disappearance was reopened in 2000 by new york authorities. Coincidental or not, durst moved to galveston, texas in november of that year taking residency under a false name and at times wearing a wig, posing as a woman. One month later, investigators were set to interview durst longtime confidante susan berman in los angeles about kathys disappearance. But before they could, she was found dead in her home shot execution style with a bullet to the head. Whatever berman knew about kathys death would go with her to her grave. And a family that needed those answers were left with none. Jean casares reporting there. I want to bring back in our legal panel to talk about this. Criminal defense attorney and defense attorney from a prosecutor. Thank you both for being here. Lets talk about what has just happened. This is yesterday dursts attorney filed this motion claiming that his client was illegally arrested this week for the murder of his friend and theres no probable cause to hold him. Hes being held on drug charges and weapons charges because they found pot and a gun on him. So does the attorney have any merit in this claim, paul . No. Its kind of ridiculous in the end. Because i dont know all the details about the gun and the marijuana charge. But i do know this. The state of california has issued a warrant for his arrest on a murder charge. And on the murder charge we have the admission which i know well talk about later that he made on tape that possibly he was involved in the killing. Right. And hes linked to a letter called the cadaver letter which could only have been written by the murderer. So that it seems to me would be probable cause to believe hes involved in the murder. So you bring up this sound. I want to roll for our viewers what youre talking about. This comes from an hbo documentary about durst called the jinx. Hbo is owned by our parent company, time warner. But this is a critical moment in the jinx where you heard durst mumbling who frankly sounds like a confession. Listen. [ inaudible ] kill them all. Killed them all of course. So danny, the question becomes would Something Like this be admissible in court . We need to push this issue to bed. Ive seen a lot of dispute over this issue. And its this. Yes, its true that confessions that are involuntary can be excluded under the 14th amendment due process clause. But only when they are the product of police or Law Enforcement activity. Voluntariness is not an issue when you voluntarily speak to a private person and specifically in this case a journalist. So that will not be suppressed. That will come in as an admission. It will be a part of the evidence in the case against him. And the jury will be allowed to figure it out to. Extent they argue that hey, he was just murmuring to himself. He was sort of add willed. He didnt really know what he was saying. That will be an issue for the jury to review and consider. And apply their own common sense to. But paul, so you would expect the defense then since this will clearly be admissible to say, well the custody argument the chain of custody in terms of this tape right . Who did it go through . Editing possibly et cetera right . Yeah. Theyll argue that. Theyll take a shot. Therell be a preliminary hearing. Theyll make another argument and say the tapes not reliable. Thes also say hbo was working closely with the cops in preparing this documentary. So hbo became an agent of the police. You remember as danny says, if the governments involved the 14th amendment of the constitution protects you. If its strictly private you have no protection. So thats the argument that will be made. The stronger argument though in the end that theyll make is that that statement is a vague statement. You notice he doesnt say i killed berman. He says i killed them all. And ill just throw one weird thing onto the table for you. His brother says that he murdered seven alaskan huskies in preparation for the murder of his first wife. Wow so its a weird kind of defense. Maybe he was referring to the dogs as opposed to the murder of berman. So are going to say its an imprecise, vague statement not sufficient to support a murder prosecution. Danny, what do you make of the fact that his attorney is really coming out and blasting the fbi for telling Law Enforcement agencies in states where he previously lived to look at cold cases . This is a guy who admitted to a murder of his neighbor in texas but said it was in selfdefense and got acquitted. An attorney often takes the role in spokesperson. Thats exactly what hes doing. Defense attorneys are often faced with a difficult decision. Because the prosecution often gets out ahead of the media. They release statements. The fbi often posts things on their web site when they indict somebody and put that information out there. Defense attorneys in light of modern media are faced with sort of a hobsons choice. The quiet thing is the thing to do but sometimes they have to make statements. Hes going on the attack and trying to divideffuse some of the bad press his client has gotten including his arrest warrant. Theres supposed to be a hearing on monday. 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To the halls of congress to the nfl football field. Even cnn contributors throwing up their hands. Theres only one problem. Its no good. Its not true. It is either based on a lie or based on a misinterpretation of what happened. Reporter federal and local Authorities Say the evidence shows hands up dont shoot didnt happen. The final department of justice concludes Michael Browns hands were not up in surrender when he was shot and killed by officer wilson. So where did it come from . Browns friend the day of the shooting. His weapon was already drawn when he got out of the car. He shot again. Once my friend felt that shot he turned around and he put his hands in the air and he started to get down but the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and he fired several more shots. Reporter federal and local Authorities Say hes wrong. But there are still plenty in the protest movement who are convinced brown had his hands up. But few have read the nearly 100page report. We did. Heres what the witnesses closest to the incident who spoke to federal investigators and the grand jury say. Witness 102, a biracial male for sure that browns hands were not above his head. Witness 103, a black male reluctant to meet with fbi agents stating snitches get stitches eventually did talk. He had one of the best views of the shooting. And says he did not see browns hands up and witnessed brown moving fast forwards wilson. Witness 104, a biracial female with a clear view of the scene says she heard the shots fired inside wilsons car that hit brown in the hand. She then saw wilson hop out of the car and yell stop stop stop. Brown ran then turned around and for a second began to raise his hands as though he considered surrendering but then quickly balled up his fists and charged at wilson. In a stunning admission, she told investigators, wilson waited a long time to fire his gun, adding she would have fired sooner. Witness 105, a 50yearold black female says she noticed brown put his hands up for a brief moment but then turned around made a shuffling movement and put his hands down in a running position and ran towards wilson. Most of this not made public until long after the shooting. And that was too late to silence the slogan. I go with the fact that other witnesses also say his hands were up. But you know what . On some level thats minutiae. Were debating whether or not his hands were up. Were not debating whether or not hes dead or alive. We know for a fact that hes dead. Whether his hands were up or not, hes not here. And he didnt have a weapon. But the argument is that if he wasnt surrendering then theres a justification. To me thats a repetitive tactic thats been used against black males when dealing with the police for the longest. You can root back to the slavery with that tactic. You have to find a way to villainize the victim and find a the smallest means to justify why this officer had to use deadly force. Reporter the report shows officer wilson was justified. But in this case at least the facts cant stop a slogan. Sara sidner reporting for cnn. Sara thanks for that important report. In the next hour ryan stelter looks at how the hands of dont shoot mantra spread through both traditional and social media to become a part of popular culture. Welcome back. Indias threatened treasures are the subject of this weeks the wonder list. Bill weir joins me now. You went in search of what a lot of people think is an incredibly dangerous animal the tiger yes. But what many there are trying to convince people we need to save. So lets roll the clip and then talk about it. Okay. Sounds good. Punum and harsh have another idea convincing farmers to quit farming. Let their land go wild and live off the ecotourists who they hope will come in droves. And so is your vision that this whole area would be forest instead of farms . Yes. And happier people with better returns, people who look at the tiger as their own. And the next time the poacher comes here and hes going to say, can i lay a trap ill give you 500 the guy is going to say no. Your 500 is useless to me. This tiger is mine. And dont you dear come here. So you know looking at a situation today thats probably the only solution we have. That the local people, they benefit and they take care. Reporter to prove their concept, they bought seven barren acres between two tiger forests, put in a little water hole and let it go wild. In just a few years, it is an animal super highway. Oh, look at that sloth there. Porcupines leopards of course many many tigers. Oh, my goodness. Look at that. A family of four. What do your neighbors in the big city say when you say hey were going to spend the weekend with the tigers out in the woods . It kind of freaks them out. So you went in part with the sole mission of spotting one of these tigers. People are going to have to watch to see if youre successful. Right. But this is really about more than just this beautiful mysterious creature. Its about changing perceptions. It is. And about a changing planet. I heard this amazing statistic there are more tigers in cages in texas than running wild in the forests of india zbla. Unreal. Blew me away. I thought i wonder wholl be the last person to see one alive today. I also wanted to look at the taj mahal and study how these amazing human precious. Indias a third of the size of the u. S. With four times as many people. Has you been there before . Yes. Its a fascinating but exasperateing place. I ask because i havent been there before. Its somewhere id love to visit. I always wonder what shocked you the most about your time in india. How much time do you have . It is such a contrast of rich and poor and opulence and poverty. Democratic hope. Its a democracy. The british kind of broke them. They have a fondness of bureaucracy. Man that with four times as many people as u. S. Precious treasures man made like the taj mahal or natural made like the tiger, whats the rub . Who has to give and take you know . I think this episode also really focuses on sort of the individuals that are changing the game. Like the lawyer with the taj mahal or this couple with the tigers. Rather actually than government or anything so structured changing things. A lot like here. These grassroots activists who have great ideas whether its punum and harsh to rewild parts of india. Trying to stop the pollution thats damaging the taj. But you got to give them credit. India is the only country in the world that has a growing tiger population. Theyre disappearing in other places. Theyve got a couple hundred in the last few years in a new census. So projects and the ideas youre going to see sunday night are leading that way. So there is hope in this hour. 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What i have here is i drew a picture lets see if we can see it. I drew a picture of basically Yankee Stadium, okay . So basically what we have here is you see how i know its a crude drawing. But Yankee Stadium is surrounded by large roads. And on a day when theres a game just any game not any special game people will actually file in here. And as they come in at the beginning of the game people will there you go. People will file in and theyll come like to the different gates single file. And they kind of randomly go in. Right. We think of this whole thing as a soft target. A lot of people do. But the reality is this is pretty hardened right here. At the end of the game however, most people exit out of these three areas where you will have at one point in this area right here you will have 20,000 people exiting a stadium at the same time with a road that is not closed. So what you have there is, you have created a soft target. And airports are the same way. The reason i even brought this up is because i want people to realize when they go to an airport, when they go to a stadium, an arena, a concert, church a school or a mall for instance they have to be able to identify where these large groups are and where an attacker is going to look to attack. And shasta do we know if given this information the authorities are looking at doing anything different in terms of security at that airport in particular . I know they said it is safe skufr and fully operational. I think we have to look at past examples. This isnt the only time weve seen an attack in airports. Some have not turned out so well. So i think we need to Start Talking about a bigger approach a bigger reaction and not just at a single airport. Because having one mentally unstable man in new orleans doesnt mean that the new Orleans Airport is more vulnerable. No. Its about in general 2013 l. A. Tsa agent shot and killed. Miami. They had a similar incident. Exactly. Were going to debate it more on this show. Talk about it tomorrow as well. Should tsa agents be armed . Good question. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Coming up next the white house is unhappy with israels Prime Minister specifically his controversial comments opposing a twostate solution. And then backtracking on those comments this week. Is americas friendship with israel in trouble . And ferguson. My panel join me to debate it next. From panera bread. Our hero is the soba noodle. mmmm which we pair with fresh spinach ahhh mushrooms yes and chicken raised without antibiotics. very nice then top with a soymiso broth. That noise panera broth bowls should be slurped with gusto yumm to explore further order online or visit your neighborhood panera bread. The lexus command performance sales event has begun. Come experience whats made lexus the fastestgrowing automotive luxury brand on the road. Featuring the stylish es sporty ct hybrid and versatile rx. 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In a matter of hours before and after the vote he took both sides of an issue that has long been critical to any peace in the middle east insisting at first that he could not but later could support a twostate solution. Lets bring in cnn political commentator Marc Lamont Hill and ben ferguson to talk about it. Guys thanks for being with me. Marc let me begin with you. President obama waiting two days to call netanyahu to congratulate him on the victory. And then the white house coming out and using a very key word reassess to describe the relationship between the u. S. And israel. How significant is that . Its significant because its one of the first moments where theres been such a public wedge between the United States and israel. We saw in august during the siege in gaza that the u. S. Was willing to say critical remarks about israel. But in a sense they were echoing that of the international community. This is the first time where it feels personal and it feels direct taking two days to respond, the criticism that the white house had of netanyahus speech before the joint sessions of congress. All that stuff is incredibly significant. But i dont think long term that its going to matter. Its a disappointment for me. For me an anxiety Zionist Party victory they end up in the same place. Let me ask you this. That word reassess is not new coming from a white house towards an israeli leader was actually used back in 1975. Thats when Henry Kissinger wanted to send a message to then Prime Minister itzhak rabin. It worked. He called it political theater but it was effective. Will it be effective this time . I dont know if it will be effective. Its very obvious the relations between barack obama and the Prime Minister are at a high point. Theyre at a low point. I think the white house is actually okay letting them get a little bit worse. Look theres two ways to look at this. One, politicians say a lot of things to get elected. I remember a guy named barack obama the day he was inaugurated said i was going to close down guantanamo. Its still open. People make Campaign Promises and say things that in reality dont happen. Im being serious. My point is [ overlapping speakers ] let me finish. For the white house to act as if somehow netanyahu saying things in the last hours of a campaign is going to change the entire relationship between the u. S. And israel i think is a complete overreaction. And i think purposely the white house wants this to get worse before it gets better. Ive got to respond to that. Ben, first of all, comparing guantanamo which began in 2008 as a promise and hasnt reached fruition yet is totally different. And again, im critical of obama [ overlapping speakers ] its a Campaign Promise and still not closed. Were not talking about obama today, were talking about netanyahu who hours before election, hours before election said he didnt believe it a twostate solution. Hours after the election he says you know what maybe i do. Its an insult to our collective intelligence to suggest somehow that this is comparable to obama on guantanamo. Again, i concede the point. Obamas wrong on guantanamo. We agree on that. But back to netanyahu. [ overlapping speakers ] one more thing, ben. The other issue here its not just that were reassessing the situation because he made a faulty Campaign Promise. The entire relationship largely was supposed to be predicated on building a Peace Process. A peace proces that has never seen any tangible benefits in the last few decades, probably since the last camp david accords. [ overlapping speakers ] marc if you want peace, okay . I think then is the president closer to getting any type of peace deal or leaving here or purposely digging, putting a wedge to make it harder . If we keep relationship the way it is now between barack obama and Benjamin Netanyahu, therell never be a deal done and america will not be able to believe it that deal being done. So i do i this obama [ overlapping speakers ] let me quickly ask you this guys before we have to go. To you, ben, House Speaker john boehner, hes traveling to jerusalem to meet with netanyahu after being the one who invited netanyahu to come to this country to speak in a move that the white house is not alerted about beforehand. Does that make things better or worse, ben . I dont think it does either. I think its consistent. John boehner said were your friend before the election. Well be your friend after the election. Im going to stand beside you before and after. At least hes being consistent. Is that correct. Is that correct. The problem is thats one of the most unhealthy friendships imaginable. What it leads to is no Peace Process. No reasonable resolution. No sovereignty. No land for palestinians. No end to the siege in gaza. No end to the settlements in the west bank. [ overlapping speakers ] pretending to be besties with netanyahu while undermining a Peace Process for decades doesnt get us closer. Ultimately we need a fundamental shift and a Global Response to whats happening in israel. And that cant happen if obama cozies us to netanyahu or vice versa. Were going to talk about another issue after the break. Talk about starbucks launching the race together campaign. Some people say this is the right 3450u6789 otherthing. Others are saying this is something that should not be launched on this platform. I spoke with starbucks ceo. Were going to debate it after the break. It kinda is. Its as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. Cue the horns. 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More than 400,000 people around the world ready to help you solve problems while theyre still called opportunities. From figuring it out to getting it done were here to help. A move to spark discussion about race in america over a cup of coffee has sparked debate both online and offline. This Week Starbucks ceo Howard Schultz launched the race together campaign hoping to start a National Conversation about Race Relations. Baristas can write racetogether if they want. I spoke with ceo Howard Schultz this week and asked him why he decided to take this on. I was like many of us in the country watching the Cultural Divide and the racial issues in ferguson, in new york and cleveland and most reendlycently in madison, wisconsin. As a result of that i decided to have a series of town Hall Meetings internally at starbucks. In all of those meetings they were unscripted but all the time. That was people sharing their Life Experience and with great empathy, compassion understanding. I think we all had a better understanding coming out of those meetings what it was like to be that person of color, to be that person whos discriminated against. We all have unconscious bias. And perhaps through education and understanding we would be able to move the country forward. Were not going to solve the race problem. Right. But perhaps by leaning into it we could have a positive effect on the National Conversation. Howard you were quoted in a Time Magazine article recently saying that people warned you not to touch this issue, that it was just too hot button of an issue and not to go near it. Im wondering if you could tell us who advised you of that and why did you go ahead with it . First off, this is an issue i brought into the board room over the last few quarters. And to the boards credit they understood that this is an issue facing the country, not only people of color but the entire country. And perhaps we could have a positive effect. But certainly there were people friends of mine and certain people at starbucks, who felt that this is not an issue that we should engage in. And i rejected that. I rejected that because if we all individually and collectively continue to be a bystander on something that is dividing the nation where is this headed . Let me ask you this, howard. Ways think i was thinking about it. Youre 61 years old. You were 11 years old when the march in selma happened. I wonder when was your First Experience witnessing racism . Well i grew up in federally subsidized housing, the projects in brooklyn. All the buildings in the projects were made up of a very Diverse Group of people. All lower class and lower middle class. So i learned at a very early age getting along, i was color blind. I didnt see color and i didnt see race at an early age. And that imprinted me with a level of empathy and understanding of how to get along with all kinds of people. So i have not had personal experiences of discrimination. But im not coming at this because something happened to me. Im coming at this because im looking at the landscape of the country, the outrage that is going on in cities across the country. Ferguson is not an outliner. This is happening in many places. And how much are we going to absorb and take before we take some steps as citizens as businesses as newscasters, to do something that is positive as opposed to being reactive and saying this is the way things are . Some people say good talk about it. Some people say, the coffee shop is not the place for this. And they feel like this the conversation i want to have with my barista . Whats your response to some of that concern that people say maybe this just isnt the platform for such a sensitive, important discussion . All were saying is in view of how serious the problem is, were asking ourselves, what can we do given the assets we have and what we do every day to try an elevate the conversation in a voluntary way. But again, that is a small piece of the puzzle. The big piece of the puzzle is were creating real serious content that will be a tool for people to take home to read to understand and perhaps one person in every store will be better informed and as a result of that have more empathy and compassion and understanding to others. If we do that the company is successful. This is not about the stock price or p. R. Or marketing. I think this is a bigger issue. That is that companies, i believe, have a deeper responsibility today to their people in the communities we serve. And im trying to use our scale for good. Thats the bottom line. Let me show our viewers this Time Magazine cover you were recently on. It shows a box unchecked for 2016 candidate. You and starbucks have take an clear position a progressive position on gun control, on gay marriage on jobs on wages, on veterans. And now on racism. To many this sounds like a position list for a future president ial candidate. I know i have asked and i am going to ask again. Are you considering at all a run for the white house . I have no plans whatsoever to run for political office. Im very happy in the job i have. And i think i can use the position and the platform i have for good. And thats what im trying to do. What do you think of the move . Do you agree or disagree . Well find out what ben and marc think. Theyll debate after the break. Learn more by calling 8448242424. Or visit your24info. Com. [rob] so weve had a tempurpedic for awhile, but now that we have the adjustable base, its even better. [evie] i go up. Heeeeyyy. [alex] when i put my feet up on this bed my stress just goes away. [announcer] visit your local retailer and discover how tempurpedic can move you. 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I think it actually almost marginalizes how big of an issue this is that you can solve anytime a drive through line. The bigger issue for me is the fact that when you go in i did this not once but twice this week and i tried talk to a barista about race they had no clue what to say. They had no idea how to handle it. I said lets talk about race. What do we want to accomplish . They looked at me like i was a foreign object. So i feel bad for the employees. Marc let me clarify one thing. Schultz told me this is not going to solve the issue and we are not a perfect company. But i couldnt stand by and do nothing. Marc whats your take . Yeah. I mean in fairness to Howard Schultz, he wasnt suggesting that starbucks could fix the race issue in america. But i do think its important for us to have a conversation. I think hes right. Ordinary everyday conversations about race are what we need. We dont need to treat race like its a very dangerous thing we can only talk about under specific circumstances or after a crisis. What would be it like to talk about race preferguson not just post ferguson et cetera et cetera. However, i agree with ben. This is not the way to do it. First of all its not like theyre doing some sort of professional training or development for the staff. These are people who are working their jobs. They dont necessarily have the language or equipment to talk about race in ways that uplift the conversation. Also people dont want to be cornered into conversation about race. When i want my pumpkin latte at 6 00 a. M. I dont necessarily want to talk about White Supremacy either. And i like talking about it. [ overlapping speakers ] when i order a black coffee i dont want it to have some wig bigger meaning, either. Give me my coffee. Its early. It felt manufactured to me. When i went in and got a coffee there was a sticker they put on my cup. I literally said what does this mean to you . The lady looked at me so nice. She had no idea. This was a corporate pushdown. She put the sticker on the cup. That was all it was and it meant nothing to her. So heres the thing. I understand that. But what i also understand is that if no one does anything, then what gets accomplished . You have to take risks and try things and see if they work to at least keep things moving. Im fine with pushing for this. But heres the thing. If the starbucks ceo really wanted to make a difference why not sponsor a forum at College Campuses . Why not sponsor a forum in ferguson . Why not have town halls that they pay for and bring next perts toin experts to talk about race . Thats why i think part of this is selfserving for him and maybe his future in politics. Marc ill get to you. They have held these forums and town halls that they have totally paid for and put on in st. Louis, california here in new york city. So they have been having those ahead of this push. But marc i want you to respond to what some people have said. Okay what we also want to see is even more diversity within the company. Youve got 40 of starbucks employees that are a minority. 18 of the top leadership are minority. 29 are women. And some folks have come out, marc and said look i want to see more of your top executives be those minorities. Thats exactly the point. I think its important to respond. They have to do something. But the response should be principled and it should be informed. I think that Howard Schultz is a principled guy. I know Howard Schultz. I like Howard Schultz. I dont want to be cynical here. I think hes doing the right thing or at least thinks hes doing the right thing. I just think he could have made a different choice funding programs as you said investing in education, doing even more forums. Hes done forums youre right. He should be doing more forums is important. One of the funniest things from the ads for the starbucks, they noticed in the ad was all the hands serving coffee were white. So they werent even conscious of sort of what the images were of there what the optics were. Poppy, heres the thing. You better have your own house in order and be above reproach if youre going to lead the way on this. It reminds me of the white house when they continue to say that Women Deserve equal pay but women at the white house still to this day make less money than men do at the white house. So if youre going to come out in the stateoftheunion and say Women Deserve equal pay you better make sure your own white house theyre deserving equal pay. Youre always on time with an obama dig. Ben is always on time with an obama dig. [ overlapping speakers ] gentlemen, were going to leave it there because this is actually not a political segment. But it was starting to be one. Stick with me. Were going to talk about something important after the break. I agree with you agree with the starbucks movement or not im glad were talking about it. The shooting of Michael Ferguson a whole movement grew around that with four words. Hands up dont shoot. But that is not what happened when Michael Brown was shot by officer Darren Wilson according to the Justice Department. Were going to talk about what that means for the Broader Movement and those that embrace the idea next. Ive lived my whole life here in fairbanks, alaska. I love the outdoors, spending time with my family. I have a Family History of prostate cancer. I had the test done and that was when i got the news. My wife and i looked at treatment options. Cancer Treatment Centers of america kept coming up on the radar. So we flew to phoenix. Greg progressed excellently. We proceeded to treat him with hormonal therapy, concurrent with intensity modulated Radiation Therapy to the prostate gland. Go to cancercenter. 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He put his hands into the air being compliant and still got shot down like a dog. Reporter those four words along with the movement traveling across the country not only via rallies but through the news media and several nfl players take the field with their hands in the air. It has staying power. Even months after the grand jury decision pharrell turns his happy into a dark performance tagging the headline at the grammys. The hand up echo through congress, too. Some assuming it is true that brown actually had his hands up. For others it is a symbol. We want you to know that our hearts are out there marching with them. Reporter here at cnn, a panel of commentators moved by the protests put their own hands up after the grand jury decision. Some people celebrated it but others were outraged by the continued use of the phrase. The st. Louis rams think its cool for them to suggest that st. Louis cops shoot young black men who have their hands up in the air . When we know that that was a lie . Its a lie. Reporter Washington Post Writer Jonathan capeheart concluding this week that hands up dont shoot is quote built on a lie. In fact a department of justice report concluded that evidence contradicts eyewitness claims that brown had his hands up. Now as protesters call for justice, some are phrasing it differently. Black lives matter. Brian felter cnn, new york. Lets talk more about the hand up dont shoot with political commentators Marc Lamont Hill and ben ferguson. Marc to you. Seeing what the Justice Department wrote in this report a few weeks ago now what do you think this does to the movement that grew out of it . I dont think it does much damage to the movement that grew out of it. Ive not just analyzed this and written about this also someone whos on the ground as an activist at various points and currently with regard to the black lives Matter Movement and hands up dont shoot chants being a center of that. Hands up dont shoot wasnt merely an evidentiary claim. It was also a claim about the despair and despon dense that many people feel in black communities because unarmed black men and women continue to be killed whether its trayvon martin, raemeisha mcbride others. All these are experiencing death by police. Thats the issue here. It wasnt merely an evidentiary claim. So irrespective of what we see in the doj report the claim black lives matter is still central. The notion of hands up dont shoot is still important. I dont want that to ever be obscured by an individual set of circumstances. Ben . This is the problem that we have when we have situations like this and the big issue with race. If we want to actually have a real conversation we cant have conversations based on things that never happened bays on lies. You got to look at Darren Wilson for example. He was attacked by someone. We use the word unarmed to make it sound that Michael Brown was less of a threat to that Police Officer. The reality is he attacked a Police Officer in the car and went after him and his gun and it got him shot. In that situation youre not an innocent unarmed bystander. Youre someone who is committing a crime, who has just committed a crime. That Police Officer, Darren Wilson is now going to have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life because of a lie that was told. Hes going to have to be fearful for his life and change careers because people said hands up dont shoot when it never happened. Where is the justice for that guy who went out and did his job as a Police Officer in america and was attacked. Now hes still a target over something that never happened. Marc i want to get your response to a Washington Post column thats gotten a lot of attention by jonathan capeheart. He wrote in part we must never allow ourselves to march under the banner of a false narrative on behalf of someone who would otherwise offend our sense of right and wrong. And when we discover that we have we must acknowledge it admit our error and keep on marching. Amen. I would imagine its been clear to everyone that the Justice Department report which said hands up dont shoot is not what happened in the case of the shooting of Michael Brown and also outlines the atrocities of racism that were rampant through the Ferguson Police department. The hands up dont shoot part did not get as much attention. Thats interesting. I would argue the opposite has been the case we spend a lot more time talking about that now than the systemic problems in ferguson st. Louis Police Departments and broader nation and world. Theres probably two sides of the story here. At the end of the day we have to take the department of justice report seriously. We shouldnt dismiss it. I was on the ground in ferguson. I interviewed eyewitnesses spoke to people on and off the record who say they were there, have evidence they were there who tell a very different story than the doj report. Im not saying the doj report is wrong or theyre wrong. Im taking it all seriously. My criticism of what happened in ferguson wasnt reducible to what happened between Darren Wilson and mike brown in that interaction. Theres an entire array of circumstances. [ overlapping speakers ] that boy laid on the ground that movement didnt start when we got evidence of what happened between Darren Wilson and mike brown. It happened when we saw that poor boys body stay out there for four hours as if he belonged to no one. Not a community, not a police force, medical establishment. We responded to that. As more evidence came out from mitt tarized police force, voting patterns, corrupt emails, we saw a system of injustice there. Not reducible to one piece of the case. We need to talk about all of it. The doj report is important. Its also important to realize if you start a narrative based on a lie, it takes away from the actual real conditions and things in the report that you and i both agree should be changed. And i also think that it also puts police lives at risk including those two Police Officers that were shot in ferguson because went you have a narrative that someone put their hands up and they were killed coldblooded murder when it never happened there are people that never hear the other side of that story. And look at what happened to those Police Officers that were shot in ferguson recently. [ overlapping speakers ] they were killed by a mentally ill man. Guys i appreciate the debate. It will continue on this show. Marc and ben, thanks very much. Coming up next how dangerous is the situation in yemen . It has become so perilous even americas toughest troops are evacuating. Well bring you the latest next. Im almost done. 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Embassy was closed last month there when a minority rebel group took over the capital and also has tried to at at least once kill yemenis president. John yemen is a region that the president not eve an year ago said was somewhat of a Success Story in fighting terrorism. What happened . Well ill tell you, theres nothing stable or successful about the fight in yemen. Just a good example of the reality of yemen is they have a war chest thats over 20 million a year that they collect money through kidnappings and basically extortion. Thats how out of control this place is. Are you talking act the deposed president of yem. Or the houthis, the rebel group . Thats a good thing to bring up. We dont know a lot of the town which is group is group when it comes to kidnapping people. You have the isis fighters. We do have at least we think now Isis Al Qaeda in yemen, anl the other side rebel groups. It goes back and forth, but its a very dangerous, very unstable area to begin with because we actually had a footprint there. What i dont understand is, okay so, the u. S. Is pulling out our last sort of advisers on the ground there. Right. But we have those advisers and just put more into iraq, for example, to fight isis. So if you talk about yemen where it looks like isis is getting a stronger hold than ever before why pull out completely . Well i dont know the exact circumstance whats going on here. They may have been pulling back. There may be a shift off the coast where these individuals, operate or thes are going. I dont actually know that and havent been able to confirm where tay ear pulling out to. But i think overall what you just explained about iraq and yemen at the same time is it just goes to show you that, you know, whether its obama and i think theres a failed Overall Mission plan when it comes to fighting global terrorism. And its not just obama. I mean its globally, look at france, canada denmark, people are waiting till its too late and then they get attacked but also theyre not going to the direct root of the problem, places like yemen where people are getting trained, places like iraq where we created a vacuum libya, where we created a vacuum and it constantly gets filled by these people. Correct me if im wrong, its not so much us creating a vacuum its these states becoming failed states with such poor economies and collapsed governments that create a breeding ground for this. Yes and no. I like to use the war on drugs as a good example in this. We did the same thing in the war on drugs. We go in and try to stop a cartel, for instance and remove that cartel. But what that does is it creates a vacuum and its filled by other cartels that are even more dangerous. So thats what weve done. 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We now know that he is dead. And they also told us that his family had been cooperating all along so, this will be a blow for them. I know that they believe that he may have been planning other attacks because of what they found in his car. Thats right. Shortly after the attack they went to his car, they found it and what they discovered inside were malltov cocktails, these tanks of gas, and everything that would lead them to believe that he had more weapons to really obviously inflict a lot more damage if he had tried. No question about it. Shasta thank you very much. Very lucky no one else was killed in that incident or more severely injured. At 7 00 eastern youll hear the emotional sound from this amazing tsa agent named carol who was able to not only protect other people at the same time that she herself was shot in the midst of all of it. 7 00 eastern right here when i join you again. Were going to take you to a quick break. Smerconish coming up right after this. Im michael smerconish. Welcome to the program. Breaking news. Secretary of state john kerry and irans president both expressed optimism today that an agreement can be reached on Irans Nuclear program. Kerry told reporters in switzerland this morning theres substantial progress in the struggle to reach an agreement. Over the past few days ive had lengthy negotiations with the iranian team about the steps that iran must take to demonstrate that its Nuclear Program now and ongoing into the future is exclusively for peaceful purposes. Over the past months the p5 1 have