0 goals this year. and then move on. we'll continue to monitor what's going on over at the white house briefing. i'll be back, 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." "newsroom" continues right now with brooke baldwin. >> for some reason, democrats and republicans are patting themselves on the back today. giving standing ovations. when in reality, all it did was leave americans in a cloud of uncertainty. what the next three months means for you. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. under attack, a cnn exclusive. chilling video from inside the mall where terrorists murdered without warning. >> told him that michelle was a [ bleep ] and that she had drowned while not admitting to the murder, told him that authorities could not prove the case against him. >> opening statements in the trial of a doctor accused of drugging and drowning his wife. plus, one woman tells college women, stop getting drunk. now her message is taking heat. and should kathleen sebelius lose her job for the disastrous rollout of obama care? hi, there. i'm brooke baldwin, back from washington today. back in cnn studio seven, and the u.s. economy avoided a potential disaster. folks, it's back to business. yes, i'm happy to report at this moment the government is open. yes,ed workers are returning to the job today, and yes, the debt ceiling has been raised. but guess what? you know the deal. it's not permanent, so get ready to do this all over again. >> is this going to happen all over again in a few months? >> no. >> maybe some laughter there, but the president seemed pretty confident that things will turn around ahead of the next showdown, the next deadline, giving my colleague brianna keilar, her voice you heard, giving her a defiant no last night, and today, the president's message to congress was clear. make sure it doesn't happen again. >> now, there's been a lot of discussion lately of the politics of this shutdown. but let's be clear. there are no winners here. these last few weeks have inflicted completely unnecessary damage on our economy. we don't know yet the full scope of the damage, but every analyst out there believes it slowed our growth. those of us who have the privilege to serve this country have an obligation to do our job as best we can. and we come from different parties, but we are americans first. and that's why disagreement cannot mean dysfunction. it can't degenerate into hatred. the american people's hopes and dreams are what matters, not ours. if you don't like a particular policy or a particular presid t president, then argue for your position. go out there and win an election. push to change it. but don't break it. that brings me to one last point. i've got a simple message for all the dedicated and patriotic federal workers who have either worked without pay or been forced off the job without pay these last few weeks including most of my own staff. thank you. >> so, what happens now as the clock ticks toward january when a possible government shutdown looms and february as well when the debt ceiling will again need to be raised? that's up to this bipartisan committee. specifically these two people. take a good long look. you're looking at senate budget committee chair patty murphy and house budget committee chair paul ryan, a republican in charge of this conference committee, this sacred middle ground. and they met already today over breakfast. eyeing those deadlines december 13th. that's when they have been told to come up with this long-term plan for taxes and for spending. one that should have been done months ago. one that finds common ground between the house's budget proposal and that of the senate. so joining me now from houston, a face we know well from previous partisan blow-ups, he was right in the thick of things in many of these and was such a ferocious fighter, his own republicans called him the hammer. here he is, tom delay, house majority leader from 2003 to 2005. also served as republican whip under speaker newt gingrich. congressman tom delay, nice to see you. welcome. >> thank you, brookes. thanks for having me. >> we hear a lot of soul searching from within your own party. we're seeing republics pointing fingers. republicans licking wounds today. so let me tick through, if i may, some of the quotes here. first up, this is from your old friend, grover norquist, speaking about republican hardliners. this is what he said, quote, they hurt the conservative movement, they hurt the country's economic situation, and they hurt the republican party. next, this is representative thomas massey, kentucky. he says in return for shutting the government and causing a near default, republicans got a goose egg, nothing. senator roy blunt, missouri, quote, the only reason why the democrats don't look terrible is we look even worse. and just one more if i may, from speaker john boehner. we fought the good fight, we just didn't win. so tom delay, did your party lose this one? >> well, they did lose. unfortunately. they put up a good fight. i appreciate everyone that voted against the deal yesterday. and stood up and fought. unfortunately, they didn't have enough votes to carry out the fight and win. they could have won if they had stopped the deal yesterday and kept the government closed and the looming debt ceiling. unfortunately, they decided not to and decided to fight another day. i just hope the fight on the next time they fight in january or february is a true fight and one that they fight to win. >> i want to talk strategy here. and if they want to continue with the same play with you in a minute, that's interesting what you just said, but when you look at this, and i was on capitol hill yesterday, and looking at the republicans and democrats, both parties took a beating in the polls, but specifically republicans have hit an all-time low approval rating at 24%. this is a poll by abc and the wall street journal. do you think it was the shutdown and the debt ceiling debacle, the fight that is the reason or is it something else? >> first of all, brooke, most of these polls are run to push the media's narrative. >> i have no narrative, sir. i'm just right in the middle, just asking the question. >> i'm not attacking you, brooke, but we saw how the media completely trashed ted cruz and others, trying to fight for what their people believe in. and these polls are static. they're not dynamic. politics, when you're in a fight, people just don't like the fight. so they're going to respond negatively. it's who wins and comes out of the fight that has long-lasting effects. and i got to tell you right now, out here in the real world, outside of new york and washington, d.c., these people think ted cruz is a hero. they think that those republicans in the house are heroes. and they think that obama is destroying this country. and what they saw yesterday is more destruction of this country by obama. now he's going to add another trillion dollars to the debt after he's already raised $6 trillion on the debt. and then lying to the american people this morning, saying his deficits are coming down faster than in history. his deficits are a trillion dollars a year. we used to burn down the capitol when the deficits were $250 billion. >> i hear you on the numbers and i want to have hope that the bipartisan conferrees can come up with something. since you bring him up -- hang on, hang on. ted cruz, will you humor me, congressman? because i would like to run through a couple names and i want one word answers. so let me give you this first name. you brought him up, ted cruz. >> i'm not going to give you one-word answers. that's not fair. >> then elaborate. you can elaborate. >> ted cruz is a leader. people in this country for years have been begging for leadership, and ted cruz filled the void of leadership. and he took on the democrat senate and he took on the president, and he took on a bunch of republican senators. >> do you see him as the leader of the republican party right now? >> i think he's one of the major leaders of the republican party right now. i definitely do. >> what about president obama? a couple words for him. >> arrogant in chief. his statement this morning was the height of arrogance. and incompetent. the president is incompetent with obama care. he can't even roll out obama care. he's incompetent by enforcing on this country something that they don't want. he's incompetent in his foreign policy. he's just an incompetent president. >> what would you give up, tom delay, in this next fight here to try to reach some kind -- so we're not governing by crisis, if you were in the thick of things? >> well, governing by crisis, that's not the right term. >> it's a term i heard from a republican congressman this week when i was in washington. just quoting her. >> i don't agree with them. you fight for what you believe in. and you stand on principles. if that creates a crisis, so be it. you don't give in before you even get started. when you get started, you stay strong. that's what obama did. obama said, i'm not going to negotiate. i want a clean cr and i want a clean debt ceiling and i'll shut down the government to get it. and he stood strong, and he got it. and unfortunately, the american people got it, too. they got the shaft. >> what about just quickly the future of the tea party? where do they stand next election? >> i think you're going to see the future of the tea party in the upcoming fight that this agreement has set. >> in 90 days? >> they're gearing up again, and they're going to come after him. that's what should happen. republicans should regroup and come out fighting, and be on offense. and not be on defense. they need to develop a game plan, getting ready for january and february's fight. and they need to take this out of the beltway and they need to go to the american people and convince the american people that if they'll stand up and shout out to the people that represent them, things will be different. >> so even though you said at the top of this interview that they lost, you say, and i'm just using a football analogy, they should run the same play in 90 days? 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and through the stories recounted by people who survived that attack. but now, cnn has exclusively obtained some of the surveillance video from inside that westgate mall in nairobi, kenya, and the images are absolutely chilling. much of the video, i want to warn you, is tough to watch. definitely not suitable for kids. if you have little ones in the room, get them out. it is important, though, to show the depravity of the terrorists, their total indifference to human life. their lack of hesitation in ending it all together. we have been going through hours and hours of this video. today she reports on what we have learned about the horrendous saturday less than one month ago. >> shoppers at westgate mall. this is the scene moments before the al shabaab attack. suddenly, men, women, and children begin to run for their lives. this man on the floor thought he had found safety. wounded, he gathers the strength to try and crawl for help. another gunman returns. without mercy. the security camera spotted two other attackers making their way to the top parking lot. walking towards the children's cooking competition held there. just beyond the camera's view. they open fire. this edited silent video obtained by cnn shows what happened during the attack in nairobi on september 21st. as the attackers go through the mall, you see people desperate, trying to run and crawl to safety as bullets streak by. a body on the floor gets barely a glance, and another bullet. this is only a fraction of the surveillance video recorded during this day. most of it too horrifying to broadcast. in the supermarket, the hostage roundup has begun. a mother and her two children push an injured child in a shopping cart. a teenage girl follows, her hands in the air. she's bloody. a gunman points the way. kenyan authorities say they closely watched the security cameras as the attack was happening. the hostage takers are spotted on the phone. authorities believe they are receiving instructions from outside the mall. here, one of them even appears to look for surveillance cameras. only four attackers are seen in the video. there are long periods of time where they appear almost relaxed. at one point, the attackers take turns for prayers. elsewhere, at a mall restaurant, a western man gun in hand, in what appears to be a plain-clothed kenyan police officer, take position to try to protect the staff and customers ca cowering behind a counter. this was just the first day of what would become a four-day nightmare for kenya. cnn, nairobi. >> of all the video you saw, i am happy to report at least, remember seeing the mother, she was pushing that cart with those children? there they are. she was seen in the surveillance video, including the teenage girl. they're okay. they were released by those terrorists. but the siege that went down inside that shopping mall for four long days with some shoppers held hostage, amid gun battles between the terrorists and police, this brazen terror strike still raises questions about what are soft targets, public places with little security. i'm joined by wallace, and first, you sat here and watched this. just your impressions of what we saw. >> well, right off the bat, it was the theater of terror. you know, this was a typical terrorism attack, planning a soft target, going into the mall, gettingies many people as they can get. their objective is money, manpower, and media. they got their point across easily. if you look at the whole pick dhr and everything that took place, it falls into what the hostage situations are. the first ten to 30 minutes of any hostage situation is what we call panic reaction. that's what took place. the hostage takers are looking for a place where they can be comfortable. the military and the police are looking for cover and containment, and the hostages are running around, trying to find cover. it's fight or flight. >> i'm curious because you mentioned media. something we noticed, i don't know if you saw this. the gunmen, they're sign loeen g up at the ceiling, talking on the phone, maybe to their partners on the outside, perhaps people following the news, relaying the reports on the inside. is that possible? >> absolutely possible. you know, keep in mind, way back, remember the olympics that happened when israel -- when the terrorists came. the munich olympics. the theater of terror. the hostage takers were the stars. the police and army and hostages were the co-stars, and the world was the audience. this is the point they wanted to get across to the world. and this took days. and they didn't care. keep in mind, if they get killed, they are martyrs. so they win one way or the other. but in the situation like this, there are steps that can be taken. >> what do you do if you find yourself inside? >> well, if you find yourself, you have been taken hostage, one of the most important things, number one, you treat the hostin taker or takers as royalty. number two, if you have any type of medical problems, let the hostage taker or takers know because they don't want a sick hostage. they want people they can use. they don't want someone who's going to die on them and another charge added to them. the other thing, speak when you're spoken to. >> they're thinking about charges? sorry. >> what i'm saying is another situation could happen where they're going to be charged for that particular incident. >> okay. >> the other aspect of it -- >> just quickly. >> just treat them like royalty. and if a dynamic entry is made by the military or police, hit the ground. stay low. >> wallace, thank you very much. coming up next, the frantic search for two convicted killers on the run. find out how prison officials were duped into letting these killers walk out of prison. we're on the case. plus, the debt deal may be done. the fight, though, continues over obama care. technical glitches have led to bad press. one question some critics are asking health and human service secretary kathleen sebelius, should she be fired? ñe