Supporters chanting send her back, it is ludicrous. He is the one who started this entire shameful ploy. At this point, his lying is so ov obvious, its almost insulting because it assumes everyone listening is either dumb for looking for any excuse to ignore the president every time he says something racist or bigoted or inappropriate. This was his expression of alleged regret yesterday. Listen. Mr. President , if i may, when your supporters last night were chanting send her back, why didnt you stop them . Why didnt you ask them to stop saying that . Number one, i think i did. I started speaking very quickly, it really was a loud i disagree with it, by the way. But it was quite a chant, and i felt a little bit badly about it but i will say this, i did and i started speaking very quickly. But it started up rather fast as you probably noticed. Now, all right, before we go any further, it should be mention that by wednesday night, the president had already for days been tweeting these congresswomen should go back to where they came from, never mind three were morning in this country and iilan omar is a citizen. As saying i think i did, when asked the crowd to stop chanting or quote, i started speaking very quickly, the guy is just lying. I mean, hes just lying and if you dont believe that, its all on tape so just look at it. Omar has a history of launching vicious, antissemi c antissemitic send her back send her back send her back send her back send her back send her back okay. You saw that, right . You know what that is. Thats taking it all in. Thats letting it build. Thats savoring it. Its encouraging it. He stood there for 13 full seconds listening to the crowd chant back the very notion that he himself had been pushing for days leading up to the moment. He didnt ask them to stop. He didnt rush to move on. He didnt say its not appropriate and here is why. He didnt stand up to the worse elements of human nature. He stood there soaking in this greek chorus of racism and later returned to the very same subject launching even more attacks on the congresswoman that night and now, i mean, it continues with his daughterinlaw lara trump who is on tv this morning lying in a way that even contradicts what the president lied about yesterday. Listen. The crowd themselves started chanting. It wasnt the whole crowd. It was a could people there in the front but he didnt say it. A couple people. He didnt say it. I mean, i wouldnt even normally bring in the daughterinlaw of the president but shes putting herself out there and has a role in the campaign and shes just freaking lying. I mean, keeping them honest, the president just yesterday said it was a real loud chant. Quite a chant he went on to say. Not just a couple people. And he didnt have to say send her back, hes already said it in tweets and the crowd was already primed to chant it by guess who . Thats right. Lara trump. Many you dont love our country, the president said it, you should leave. Right . Am i right . Huh . You can leave. What is it they say, the family that hates together. Factual falsehoods aside, the president said he felt a little bit badly unquote about the chanting. You heard him say he quote disagreed with it. Which might lead you to think the next move might be the usual one after a politician blows the racial dog whistle as scenical as it is to contemplate, you think the president would say you know what . Mission accomplished. I served my purpose. Move on. I tossed out some red hemeat to the base and the president could pivot and you might believe the president saw the urge of his ways and honestly regrets bringing the country to an ugly and dangerous place. You might think having stared into the kind of abias that leads to a civil war, the standard barer of the president of lincoln, stand to the better angels of the nature. Here is what the president said today honoring the surviving apollo 11 astronauts. The chant was just repeated you know what im unhappy with . You know what im unhappy with . Im unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman can hate our country. Im unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman can say antissemitic things. Im unhappy with the fact that a congress wwoman in this case, a different congresswoman can call our country and people cgarbage. Thats what im unhappy with. These people in that stadium was packed i could have called it ten times. Those are incredible people and patriots. Okay. So that whole thing he said yesterday is throw that out. A whole day of people claiming he has regrets and renounces the chant. That was what was on tv all day yesterday and all the surrogates were out there singing the chant. You heard the president , hes repudiated that chant and went back to embracing the chanters as incredible patriots. Listen, listen to what he said a short time later on his way to a golf club for the weekend, the one among others that routinely hired undocumented ill granmmigo save wages. You know what is racist to me . When somebody goes out and says horrible things about our country, the people of our country that are antissemitic that hate everybody, that speak with scorn and hate, that to me is really a very dangerous thing. I think these four congressmen, i can say some worse than others but if you look at the statements they made where they call the people of our country and our country garbage, when they hit israel the way they hit israel so hard and horrible, i think to me, thats a disgrace and we should never forget it. Were dealing with people that hate our country. So again, hes talking about four elected representatives thats who hes talking about. Four american citizens. Four women of color. Four human beings who in his eyes and the eyes of at least the people chanting are the enemy. Not the opposition. The enemy. A lot to talk about. Well dig into the politics of this shortly but first, the larger questions and were especially glad to be joined by dr. Cornell west at harvard university. Professor west, i want to talk to you because i find that chant so depressing and i mean, look, weve seen this thing done before, you know, send them back was said to, you know, identirid italian and said to chinese and every wave of immigrants that came to the shores and desen den des descendents saying send her back, how do you explain that . Im like you, brother. Im very grim and down and out but i said to myself, ive got to be more fortified in the name of moral consistency, spiritual witness and courage. Ill make sure i will not stoop so low that when fred trump and when marry ann trump and when Melania Trump came as german, as scotch and as sloveniaen that you need to go back. Ive been here nine generations as a black man, enslaved, jim crow, jane crow at the center of the american experiment, at the center of the democratic experiment, im not going to stoop so low to be in the gutter with trump. This is not just a matter of trump as racist and sad to see the Democratic Party couldnt just call him a racist but say his words are racist. This is weak for me but donald trump, brother trump is at this moment becoming the american version. We have created a fast shows frankenstein and i say we, its not just a decrepit Republican Party with the collaborationest and facilitators, i mean, brother Lindsey Graham is just a donald doug version of joseph mccarthy, sad to see him stoop so low but kevin mourphy the sae way. Republicans across the board have adjusted themselves to a profoundly unjust pway of being in the world in terms of being lawless, hiding and concealing, rationalizing this kind of unadulted raw hatred and i come from a tradition of people who have been hated for 400 years. We teach the world about love and justice. So the question becomes, how do i becomfort fkocome fortified t trump you have to create a fastofas fausous america. We will go down fighting. We wont get in the gutter of hatred but we will make sure you do not allow for this kind of expansion. You read the book on the crowd and you see the ways in which you can manipulate the crowd and you know Madison Grant yale graduate 1887, the passing of the great race. The major scientific rationization of speople. Donald trump is as american as apple pie just like Martin Luther king junior is as american as apple pie and the question is, what apple pie is going to win . In that sense, we have to be fortified. We cant get too i think the sisters are right. The four sisters are so right in terms of not taking the bait and i have a great love for those four sisters but when you love somebody, brother, you respect, you protect but correct. All of us are in the process of needing correction in this regard. But we have to be consistent across the board. Right wing, center, left wing, what have you. Im sorry to go on so long but brother, we at a very historc and Pivotal Moment in the history of this nation. If we dont accent the moral, the spiritual and politically courageous, this democratic experiment will come to an end and its always been the vissous l vicious legal of White Supremacy but thats lodged in capitalism. Racism isnt floating but its a rationalization so we dont talk about the bombing of Nine Countries going on or the rule of big military and the 60 cent thats already taken before we get to the budget for social programs and other programs. And the rule of wall street. The poverty. The decrepit schools and so forth and hitler, they did make the trains run on time but they were full of hatred and scene phobia. Sister marry ann trump, i keep going back to Donald Trumps mother. She said what kind of son have i created . Thats the kind of question she raised. We have to answer that question. Is it the case the son she created becomes the american version of hitler in the white house . In the oval office. Thats the question. But there have been generations of americans who have stood up and questioned the order of things, the unjustice of things, we have people have died protesting and, you know, questioning the america that exists not as a wanting to destroy america or criticizing the america that exists to make america better. America is the experiment constantly evolving and always has this vision of being this shining city of a hill and for people to say, i mean, people told civil rights marchers, if you dont love america, leave it. If you dont go back to where you came from, thats an old chant the fact that it is being chanted by thousands of people and the president of the United States is standing there and, you know, nodding to it and soaking it all in, i hear what you say about not getting, you know, too depressed and down about it but it is i mean, it is dangerous current that he is tinkering with in this country. Oh, there is no doubt about that, though, brother. There is no doubt about that. You know weve had president whose were slave holders and president s who were defenders of american barbarism and so fourth but facisism distracts the people and manipulates emotions and give them a sense of being a Pure Community thats threatened by the inpure and hes the agent that provides the rescue for those based on that fear. Every death spa manipulates fear and lies so criminality go hand and hand to hide and conceal social structures that are generating more mystery. There has to be an other. There has to be an other that can be dem monoiz ideemen de needs the other to focus everyone against. Thats exactly right. The fact that i mean, we have to be very clear. Sister omar, she never said all the American People are garbage. Now trump talked about american carnage. Never said israel was evil. She said the evil ding doings o israel. Every person i know has done evil. Quite lying on the sister to hide and conceal your own lies. Thats part of the challenge here. But this is true also for the liberals because you know, weve had our dialogues, brother. I cant stand the liberal selfrighteousness. I called him a racist. It dont take too much courage to call someone a racist. The question is what will you do to generate action . Dont just articulate a view that becomes part of the in crowd. We need more than just liberal selfrighteousness and need more than this rightwing drift towards neo where people adjust themself based on certain people on the court. Tax cuts for the rich and you lose your country. What does it gain in nation to lose its own soul and gain the whole world with wall street and company . Thats the fund mental question of the ice man of the greatest play written by an irish brother American Play written by irish brother named eugene oneil. We need to go back to that. Something i read is biblical, too, but we wont get religious here tonight. Youre always welcome to be religious here. This is a moment for fighting. This say moment for gathering your spiritual and moral and political weaponry because we on a battle field and of course, we all have been on it every day of our lives whether we realize it or not. Dr. West, appreciate hearing from you. Thank you. Love you, brother, stay strong. Im still pulling for you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, Julian Castro and his take and the politics of what dr. West called this Pivotal Moment in this election season. Whos dog is this . Its my special friend, antonio. 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These continued attacks obviously from the president , youve described what hes doing as racial priming. Can you explain what that means . Well, this guy is the biggest identity politician out there. And what hes trying to do is to divide americans along racial and ethnic lines and i dont think that there has been anybody who has been more successful at building his political career on dividing people on racial and ethnic lines as donald trump has and thats what hes trying to do with his attacks on these four congresswomen of color, trying to make them the other and putting out this siren song to people that might support the idea that really that this is a White America only. Thats what hes trying to do but i know because ive seen that the values that we have of basic respect for each other, of love of country, of compassion, of hard work, that those no know boundary so the collision of people who are white, who are black, who are latino, asian american, native american, rich, poor, muslim, jewish, christian, i believe is much stronger than his narrow base of people who support him and thats why i actually feel that the more he does this, that the better the odds get for democrats in 2020. Is it i mean, this is likely to be a corner stone of the president s campaign so how do you as a candidate for the democratic nomination of president as you are, how do you take on that on the trail without it also derailing you from talking about the issues that, you know, table top issues that people care about and that, you know thanks you want to discuss . Well, i keep my eye on the ball. Im always focused on the trail on what families need to prosper in the 21st century that they have good health care, that their child can get a good education and they have good Job Opportunities whether they live in a small town or a big city. And i also address this, i address the fact that we need to Work Together to make our down country stronger and ill tell you, anderson, you think about how he won last time. Okay . He won michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania by 77,000 votes collectively. In the trump era, what were seeing is that the suburbs are clearly moving away from this president. We saw that in 2018 including in those states and in my home state of texas where liz l Izzy Fletcher won in the suburbs of houston. In regan country is all blue, i believe the more he does this and turns off those suburban voters in suburban milwaukee, suburban detroit, suburban pittsburgh and philadelphia, he makes it harder, hes also going to drive up the turnout in detroit, in philadelphia, in milwaukee. Some people, you know, they hear what hes doing and they have heart burn. They think well, you know, is he going to be able to get another Electoral College havivictory . I believe hes hurting himself doing this and this is a sign not of confidence but desperation of trying to eke out a little bit more from a base that aint going to go very far for him. Some have said that this is not going to be a race about who has the best plan because frankly, the president got elected not with plans, i dont think anybody can really put their finger on his health care plan. He hasnt had one, even immigration he hasnt had one so is i mean, do you have something other than, you know, well thought out plans . Is there i mean, is this going to be a vision election . The vision thing as george h. W. Bush once said . I think this is going to be about what kind of country we want to become. Do we want to become a country that cuts off opportunity . If you dont look like donald trump or do you want to be a country that we can be proud of because we expand opportunity to everybody in our nation. Its going to be an election about bringing us together versus tearing us apart, about a leader that has demonstrated integrity and honesty in Public Service or one that is the dirtiest politician that weve seen in generations and whether were going to try to make the country something again and go backward or were going to make the country better than ever and move forward and i choose to move forward. I choose to bring the country together and i demonstrated integrity and honesty in Public Service where this president has a big ethical cloud, the darkest cloud weve seen hanging over his presidency. 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Undoubtly he heard a lot of criticism what happened at the rally and tweets for the weekend and i wrote a piece responding to his disappoint vvowing it ane at the next rally, somebody will start this and hell have to decide whether to let it go or not. These folks are americans. They live under the same constitution and First Amendment we do. We dont have to win ugly. We can debate ideas and win an election on our policies and record. We dont have to be ugly to win and i hope the president understands hes got something to run on other than this. The president doesnt seem to be confused, though. He said one thing in the moment, you know, maybe the last person in the room had been a member of his family or something telling him, you know, he shouldnt say that, but now, clearly, today he had the opportunity to, you know, talk about why he felt uncomfortable or why its not good to chant that. Instead, you know, he just fully backed everybody in that room. Racist are racist. Donald trump has been a racist since the 70s, i think we should take him literally and c conspiracy and said mexicans are rapist and hes the one for the 2018 midterms, he could run on the economy and jobs but he runs on the caravan of immigrants and rapists funded by george soros and says four american congresswomen, citizens, women of color told them to go back to their country, fix it and come back and three were born here and one is a naturalized citizen and he says in front of his crowd, insights them and for 13 seconds, anderson, he baithes a they say send her home. Send her back. I dont know about you but when i want to stop someone, i stop them. I dont stand there and bathe in the racism and he finally walks back for a second but then doubles down and this is where the rubber hits the road because he said that those people chanting a racist nativest chant that has been used against jews, italians, irish catholics, muslims and people of color, he said those people are quote incredible patriots. So this is the scene in the movie, anderson, where the republicans get to be the hero or villain. Will you step up to Donald Trumps racism or be mitt romney of Susan Collins of jeff flake and do a strongly worded tweet or say this is hateful. This is the scene in the movie, anderson, where it will decide the future of the country for the next two or three years. Scott, it is strange not strange. Its obvious but when the president did allegedly seem to kind of repudiate it a little bit, he i mean, he was clearly lying about trying to stop the chant. You know, he said he quickly started talking again. He was uncomfortable. He didnt like it. But i mean, 13 seconds went by and just watching him soak it in, allowing the chant to build, you know, if not only is he not really sincere, it seems, in repute iddiating it but hes al lying about what he did. Look, he is going to have another chance to get this right and i hope he does get it right. I dont think he got it right in the moment. I dont like the chant. I dont like the fact it happened at a big rally and he didnt take the opportunity to put a big stop to it. Well know how sincere he is about it all at the next rally. Thats when well know how hes going to handle this because obviously, people are going to want to do it again, which is regrettable because its rather weakminded. If you dont think you can debate people on our record and issues which were running and the best thing you got is to send them away and sensor them by sending them away, doesnt show much confidence in what the republicans are running on. I want to see what he does in the next rally. I wont ascribe racism to the people i havent met. I wont do that. What i would say to everybody that believes thats the correct messaging tactic, its absolutely not the correct messaging tactic. There is a way to win and set of issues to run on and thats not it. Im not you know, the idea, the whole send them back, that is a racist concept, you know, its an anti religious concept and deepending who youe talking about been used time and time again over the course of American History and its it is reprehensible, yes, you cant say an entire room of people are racist but certainly that chant is racist, no . Scott . I think that some people are going to interpret it that way and again, im not going to ascribe racism to people i dont know scott, its easy, yes, yes, say yes. Look, brother, dont ent interrupt me. I didnt interrupt you, dont interrupt me. I dont personally believe people are chanting that and thinking that but we have to live in the reality in which we live here and that is that this is not the correct tactic, message, idea, direction for this president s campaign. Very quickly. Anderson, its racist because last time i checked Bernie Sanders was never told to go back to where they came from and four congresswomen of color were told that. Its rate ecist. The president dismissed reports his daughter ivanka and melania got him to backtrack. A fascinating new piece on ivanka trump. Is she serving the American People or just herself and what is she actually doing . Well be right back. Fact is, every Insurance Company hopes you drive safely. But allstate actually helps you drive safely. With drivewise. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. 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What did the first lady and ivanka advice you about the chant . I know you guys talked about it. False information. Fake news. You never talked about it. I talked about it but they didnt advice me. By the way, what youre saying, fake news. What did they tell you about it . Okay, so they talked about it. They didnt advice him. Cnn political analyst wrote a whole article about ivanka trump and well, well talk about it in the atlantic. Its a fascinating article. I urge you to read it. The president said ivanka didnt advice him about wednesday nights chant even if she did, certainly doesnt seem to have had much effect and i feel like, i may have joked about this the other night before this, it seems like every time there is something controversial that happens, there is a leak that ivanka trump was whispering in the president s ear her concern which i dont know if it comes from ivanka trump or her people but seems like it does. Right, there are two things i think we can take that from pattern. The source close to ivanka that magically appears after any controversial moment takes place but the one thing is why would she not say this in public if she believes her father has done something racist or reprehensible as the source close to ivanka will imply in this case. Why not go on the record and say that . The second thing would be that the influence that she would telegraph she had along the campaign trail to ease moderates moininds in voting f him, she doesnt have that. She has enough influence to go to the g 20 and try to shoe horn herself into a conversation with World Leaders or show up in the dmz but when the rubber hits the road and there is something, you know, repulsive or unattractive that the president is doing or racist, shes nowhere to be seen. Michael barber of the New York Times, for the x time ivanka trump spoke to her father x time told him x was problematic and despite mountains of evidence, this matters. It happens again and again. White it was important for me to report this piece is because like you said, it came on the heels of the g 20 summit and her elbowing her way into the Demilitarized Zone of all places, the most tense important negotiating spot probably on this entire globe and you have to wonder, if she is willing to step out when there is a historic photo op to be had, but not when the very moral fabric or our nation is called into question as it was this week, who is she really in the white house for . For herself, something to tell her grandkids about one day or to actually, you know, steer the direction of this country in a positive matter . Well, the idea that she portrays herself someone fighting for womens empowerment and maybe she is doing stuff, but her father spent the week trying his hardest to disempower four prominent congresswomen of color and, you know, the irony that she is the champion of women with this president and the way he has spoken about women and some of the allegations against him, its ironic if it wasnt actually important. Real. Yes. So like an actual thing taking place within the bounds of the leader of the free world and another point to that, too, you know, comical but scary is that any time Something Like this happens, the balance of her portfolio suddenly narrow and narrower. Womens empowerment was the umbrella she came in with and when the president is disempo r disempowering women as you point out, suddenly its no, this is about womens Economic Empowerment in the ivory coast. So the four congresswomen in america dont necessarily fall into that i think you quoted in your article that on some show, she was confronted about something regarding it. Im not the president of womens empowerment or Something Like that. She said im not the president of all womens issues. Thats the thing. Its this lovely oblique phrase you can throw out when youre questioned about something you find uncomfortable. An article in the atlantic. Thanks. Some remarkable and disturbing information from a private investorer what he heard and saw tracking Jeffrey Epsteins involvement with underaged girls. Travis in it. Its amazing. Oh is that traviss app . Its pretty cool, isnt it . Theres two of them. Theyre multiplying. No, guys, its me. See, im real. Im real he thinks hes real. Geico. Over 75 years of savings and service. With advil liquigels, what stiff joints . What bad back . Advil is. Relief thats fast. Strength that lasts. Youll ask. What pain . With advil liquigels. 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The Palm Beach County sheriff said today hes ordered an internal investigation into his own Offices Supervision of Jeffrey Epstein while he was serving time back in 2008 and 2009. To see if any rules were violated. He was granted work release privileges during that time. Its an anger that has come under some harsh scrutiny especially in the light of epsteins arrest on federal sex trafficking charges. Hes been denied bail. Tonight drew griffin brings to light some new information in the case. Its the First Television interview with a private investigator whos been tracking epstein for more than a decade. Heres drews report. Reporter mike was a cop for 30 years, homicide detective, worked narcotics, hed seen it all and thought he would retire to south florida. His first case brought to him ten years ago, investigate Jeffrey Epstein. I was interviewing victims, the three girls turned into five, six, seven. I couldnt help but think that this could have been my daughter or your daughter or my nextdoor neighbors daughter. The case is infamous. A secret deal with prosecutors, a slap on the wrist jail sentence from the state of florida. If you had to see the paint on their faces when they found out, not only that, but the fear factor that he was going to be out, was tremendous. Reporter they sought justice through civil suits on behalf of alleged victims winning settlements against the multimillionaire. Victims were so young, he says its inconceivable those in epsteins social circles could not have suspected the girls were underage. Worst these girls lost their brace and is they started becoming 16 years old or 17 years old, they were too old for him. So then he started using them for recruiters to bring the younger girls. Reporter epstein did plead guilty in 2008 to two state charges, including procuring a person under 18 for prostitution, a charge so demeaning to the children he victimized, it silenced many of them. These were girls that were not of age of consent in the state of florida. They couldnt be prostitutes. Reporter one victim said she was just 13 when it started. She looked like she was nine. And she started telling me the whole story about how, you know, she tried to live a good life. She was blaming herself for what jeffrey did to her. And she was in such pain, listen, nothing really phases me after spending 13 years in homicide. That really fazed me. Reporter documents detail how epstein intimidated potential witnesses against him, including the girls he had abused. The u. S. Attorneys office knew the fbi was investigating but chose not to prosecute. He witnessed this harassment firsthand. He hired private investigators and all their job was to do was to follow the girls around and intimidate them. They were on their bumpers everywhere they went, they pull into a gas station, they pull up behind them. They pull up to a grocery store, they pull up behind them. Reporter this is happening while hes serving his 13 months. While hes serving it and after he gets out, while hes on probation. Reporter if you look at this from a law and justice point of view, whatever that prosecution was, it doesnt sound like it sent any message to Jeffrey Epstein. It did send a message, you can do what you want. Reporter and anyone watching epstein during his 13month jail sentence would have been epstein being allowed to leave jail during the day, head to his office where young women would come and go. They were bringing lavish lunches and food into his office. And you saw girls going in . I saw girls going in. Underage . I couldnt tell if they were underage. You have to doubt hes been abusing his his plea. Absolutely. He cant stop. Epsteins Attorney Says hes had a spotless record since he got out of jail in 2010. You mention you have proof that just recently hes been abusing girls. We had some people come forward and you have their names. I have their names and weve turned that information over. Which is why the victims of Jeffrey Epstein are rejoicing in his recent arrest. They dont want his money. They wanted this is what they wanted. This is all they wanted. Mike says there are new victims, recent victims. Is there proof of that . Anderson, according to the detective, associates of epstein have come forward alleging that epstein has been traveling with two young women who have been procuring girls for him in recent years, thats the information, including the names of those women who have been turned over to authorities, prosecutors, not talking. Epsteins attorneys deny it. Thank you very much. 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