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rick perry and mitt romney taking off the gloves and turning up the volume. the gop heavy weights going toe to toe in the republican debate. sparring over social security and who is better qualified to create jobs. jim a costas live in los angeles. the sparks were were flying between romney and rick perry. >> yes, they certainly were. you can say that for sure. last nitric perot o-- owe rick perry showed he can hit back. rick perry and mitt romney stood side by side last night. first on the question of which governor created more jobs. >> michael dukakis created jobs faster than you did. >> george bush and his predecessor created jobs more than you did, governor. >> a newly aggressive john huntsman. >> i hate to rain on the parade of the lonestar governor, but we were the number one job creator. >> it switched to the healthcare plan and the mandate requiring residents to have medical insurance. what some republicans call owe bottom any care. >> an individual mandate in this country. >> ron paul noted perry was once a democrat. >> the governor of texas criticized the governor of massachusetts for romney-care but he wrote a fancy letter supporting hillary care. >> speaking of letters, i was more interested in the one that you wrote to ronald reagan back and said i want to quit the party because of the things you believe in. >> newt gingrich tried to bring it to a halt. >> i for one, hope we repudiate the news media to get republicans to fight each other to -- barack obama deserves to be be defeated. whoever the nominee is, we are all for competing against barack obama. >> on the u.s. border with mexico could be used to keep americans caged in. >> every time you think of us keeping the bad people out, think about the fence being used against us, keeping us in. >> it was perry on the defense, take his anti-washington book fed up in which he refers to social security as a ponzi scheme. >> it is a monstrous lie. it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today you paying in to a program that's going to be there. >> romney couldn't resist. >> you say by any measure social security is a failure. you can't say that to tens of millions who live on it. >> in an interview with cnn before the reagan debate, president obama's election adviser says the book will be fair game. >> are you looking forward to running against that book? >> i think each of the candidates has their share of strange views. they'll be hard to defend. one of the biggest surprises was michele bachmann. you could argue that rick perry's rise has hurt her more than anybody else in this race. but she really took a kid gloves approach to both romney and perry. she really did not go after either one of those candidates and played it pretty safe last night. carol and christine. >> in fairness, jim, brian williams didn't pose a question to michele bachmann until 14 minutes into the debate. she was sort of left out of the thing for a long time anyway. >> well, you know, that is true. and we heard from rick santorum in the spin room last night. he came into the room and talked to reporters. he was complaining that he felt that the way that the dee pate was structured was really to turn had into a fight between rick perry and mitt romney. he was complaining that was not fair. if michele bachmann has those feelings this morning, we haven't heard that from her. it wouldn't be a surprise to hear that. >> jim acosta -- excuse me. i knew i would do that, christine. many thanks to you. nothing to do with the debate. i swear. >> it wasn't me>> it wasn't you either. it was the tea. this monday -- >> carol, careful there. >> i'm going to get this out, i promise. this monday, cnn along with the tea party express and several tea party groups will co-host a debate with the republicans in tampa, florida. the site of the national convention. american morning will be live from there beginning at 6:00 eastern. you can watch it live on cnn monday night at 8:00 eastern. see i have tea right here. >> this is true. 6:04 in the east. jobs. on the front on the burner during the debate is the focus of president obama's address tonight, this morning's cnn's learning new information about some of the things that are in the plan and bottom line. brianna keilar live at the white house. good morning. >> good morning. we told you yesterday it was a working number. that's true. because the number, the size of this jobs plan according to democratic sources familiar with the president's speech, it has grown now to $400 billion. a working number i should tell you. the biggest chunk of this is that payroll tax extension that we're expecting. we've talked about it. right now employees are seeing a break on their payroll taxes. the president also wants to extend that to employers. that's the big thing. the other big chunk is about $100 billion for infrastructure spending. some of the other things you can expect the president to talk about tonight will include aid to states and also incentives for companies to hire some of those who are chronically underemployed at this point. for instance,veterans or the elderly, guys. >> how optimistic is the white house in getting the president's plan through congress? a lot of what we hear is not that the president should do something. it's about how the president needs to undo healthcare reform and what he's already done. >> no. certainly, the white house doesn't share that view. as you can imagine. clearly, the president wants to do something, wants to have impact on jobs. but the reality is tough. this has to clear anything that he has on jobs would have to clear congress and to clear congress, you have to clear house republicans and you've seen the white house and house republicans diametrically opposed. here's the strategy. it's not surprising. if you are struggling to pass something or you have roadblocks, what is the strategy? it's then to sort of point to whoever is standing in the way and in the white house's point of view, of course, it's house republicans. you can kind of see this when you listen to press secretary jay carney said yesterday. >> washington needs to act. the american people outside of the beltway are tired of excuses. they want action. and there will be no reason that congress can't act on this unless politics gets in the way. >> so put forward a plan and, if congress doesn't just runaway with it, which guys as you can imagine, that's not going to happen and you have democrats on the hill, they accept that's not going to happen. then sort of addressing and pointing the finger at house republicans. who at this point are already really taking aim at the president's plan, the reality is that when you talk to people on the hill, democrats, republicans, they expect that jobs proposals, some of the proposals will be addressed incrementally in bits rather than a big sweeping jobs package that would be pushed through congress. >> brianna keilar, thanks. wool get more insight into the speech in half an hour. i'm going to talk to jay i carney, the white house press secretary. don't forget to tune in tonight for live coverage of the live speech. it begins at 6:00 followed by the speech at 7:00. now, it's your turn to talk back on one of the big stories of the day. the question this morning, how should the president handle the country's divisiveness in his big speech tonight? talk about pressure much the president will not only face a bitterly divided krg but a bitterly divided nation. the political forecast, cold, ice cold. republican congressman joe walsh is skipping the president's speech because "i don't see the point in being a prop for another of the president's speeches asking for more failed stimulus spending." louisiana republican senator david viter won't be there either. he's hosting an nfl football party. after that, the vicious partisan attacks from both parties. my lips are numb. you have heard it loud and clear. >> he's the most effective food stamp president in american history. >> that's what we've witnessed since friday. obama ged on. open owe. >> let's take them out and give america back to where we belong. >> why bother with a bipartisan speech? as new york times columnist paul krugman writes, the president should go big and bold and bipartisan ship be dammed. what will they agree to? that's easy. they will oppose anything mr. obama proposes. but wait, there are republican leaders who are willing to work with the president. in a letter to mr. obama, house speaker john boehner and majority leader eric cantor write, it is critical that our differences not preclude us from taking action in areas where there is common agreement. we should not approach this as an all or nothing situation. so our talkback question this morning. how should the president handle the country's divisiveness in his speech tonight. facebook.com/american morning. i'll read your responses later this hour. >> what should his tone be? some say he should come out in his tone as much as policies. i'm not taking this anymore, i'm not going to play the law professor, i'm going to play the street fighter and get something done. >> you think he can play the street fighter? >> i don't know. would it be genuine? he is a thinker. thinks it through. don't you think? more prone to compromise than unilateral action. >> you sound disappointed. he needs to be tougher. >> he put himself in a bind because he ran on being i con sill a tore. >> he can't come out. hockey fans around the world with mourning the loss of dozens of players killed in a plane crash in russia yesterday. 43 people died, including an entire team from russia's continental hockey league. among the dead, several players with extensive experience playing in the nhl in the united states. they'll begin the process of selecting a jury for the trial of dr. conrad murray, michael jackson's personal physician. he's charged with involuntary manslaughter in jackson's death. prosecutors claim he gave him propofol. the lawyers failed in sequestering the jury. the bipartisan panel of 12 lawmakers has until november 23rd to find $1.5 trillion in deficit savings. it's then up to congress to pass that plan or risk deep cuts to programs that are important to both parties. just ahead on american morning, wildfires in texas, many people who were forced to leave their homes have no idea what, if anything, they have to go back to. we're live on the fire line. >> plus, katia gets company. the hurricane center tracking one, two, three named storms right now. find out where they're headed. 12 minutes past the hour. 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>> gym spellman in bastrop, texas. is there any relief in sight? let's head to rob marciano. no relief? >> the tropical storm in the gulf of mexico, it doesn't look that promising either. here's the five-day forecast. nothing but sunshine here. the only silver lining that temperatures -- some mornings will be down to the 50s. that will help firefighters get a handle on thing. on the flip side, if we could transport some of the flooding rains across the northeast into texas. it's unbelievable the dichotomy here. binghamton, new york, nine inches. these are two cities that are enduring flooding right now. it's only going to get worse throughout the day today. flood warnings up for a number of the rivers that were flooded during hurricane irene, including philly seeing flooding right now and d.c. kind of a nightmare rush last night. again, this morning and then parts of eastern pennsylvania, including harrisburg, hershey and binge a.m. ton, new york. this is from lee, by the way. leftovers of lee. tropical moisture, dense moisture continues to get into this flow. it's not making much progress to the east. we'll see flooding on the roads and slow traffic, obviously at the airports at the usual spots that are being impacted by this. tropical storm maria, this formed yesterday. here's the forecast track. this may take a better run at the u.s. hopefully one of the strong cold fronts will push it out to sea like katia, which is still a hurricane. it will miss us later on today. this formed last night, this is tropical storm nate. doesn't look too menacing. it will probably go into mexico itself. it's going to probably strengthen. it will sit out here for a time. we can get some of the moisture into texas, that would be ideal. right now, all indications do not point to that. >> another miss. another miss. thank you, rob. >> all right, guys. still to come on american morning, the american middle class. the backbone of this country. but is the middle class beginning to break? 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"american morning" will be live from that debate site in tampa. tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern, president obama unveils his plan to create new jobs and strengthen the economy. democratic sources telling us the plan could top $400 billion. a heavy emphasis on infrastructure. we have live coverage of the speech. president obama putting in a call to dpof rick perry assuring him that federal help will be available to deal with wildfires burning across texas. fire crews are making progress battling the largest fire near austin. they say it is now 30% contained. all right. back now to a top story. tonight, president obama rolls out his plan to strengthen the economy, create jobs and support america's middle class. americans who work hard, play by the rules and hope to earn enough monday to spar their families. a new studies finds it's unraveling. the promise is unraveling. joining knee is vice president of policy and pramts. nonpartisan research group which conducted the study. woel come to the program. the middle class unraveling. one of the statistics in your report that's shocking is that a man with a high school degree today will earn 75 cents of what his father did. in a generation, the prospects for quote-unquote the average worker have declined. why? >> there's lots of factors into it. one, we know what has happened to the availability of good, blue collar middle class jobs. they've been shipped overseas. that's intensified since the recession. that's one major factor. the other factor is we built the middle class that we as a nation were so proud of and known for. with dedicated public investment, with regulation that protected middle class family savings and investments. so the middle class unraffled over the course of a generation. as we started to pull back from those kinds of investments. whether it was keeping college tuition at public universities well within reach in the middle class. you know, tuition has tripled in a generation. >> we do know, when you look at the tuition statistics, we do know that this has far outstripped the increase in inflation. in fact, you can't compare it with the increase in inflation when you look at the rise in tuition. we know that workers with a bachelors degree, it is to a degree an insulator for them. this is the instate college tuition increase. it's astronomical. >> it's off the charts. it used to be that middle class families could pay out of pocket for a public university. which is where the majority of young people go to get a college education. that's changed. the result is you have a whole generation that is paying for college with student loan debt. now they're entering this really brutal economy, they've got $25,000 in student loan debt and having a really hard time getting a job. >> we look at what you say is unraveling middle class. the insulator is, if you have a bachelors degree it's 4.3% for unemployment. but to get that degree, it's further and further out of reach of middle class families. >> that's exactly right. what has happened is it's become either harder to work your way into the middle class or educate your way into the middle class. a college degree is probably the best steppingstone we have today. but it's no guarantee. >> this was also all starting to happen before the great recession. i mean you can trace some of these trends back to the '830s. there are a lot of different reasons for it. people argue about the causes of it. what can the president do about now in the next two years? what can he say tonight that can address some of these issues? >> i think the first thing we have to do is stop the bleeding. there's actually a lot we can do to get the economy going. at least in the right direction. >> infrastructure spending? >> infrastructure spending for sure. there's no better bang for the buck. i would add to that, putting downpayments on investing in america's talent and people. we really need to turn around -- >> like refrang, you mean? >> retraining. we have hundreds of programs that don't work. i talked to a state government who said his own state's retraining programs, he said it's basically work jobs programs for people to sit in public jobs. they don't retrain anybody. >> right. the problem is, we've sort of gone, approached worker retraining in a haphazard fashion. we need to be a rigorous and serious as many other nations are. >> do you think owe ee we expect he will put that in the package? >> i would hope so. there are so many who lost their jobs, good construction jobs, manufacturing jobs that are having a hard time getting a hold in this labor market. >> the other side of this entire middle class squeeze is that the republicans, especially tea party people, say that we've got to stop spending. we have to stop spending. the problem is an out of control government. that's what's crushing business and crushing jobs and regular people. >> well, there's no indication that that is the case. i think most polls show that the american people actually understand that we need to walk and chew gum at the same time. they understand that long-term deficit reduction is not in any way getting in the way of speeding up the economic recovery. we can spend now and by the way, the best way to reduce long-term debt is to put americans back to work. >> yeah. >> the american people know that. >> congress could have talked about it in a real way before the great recession when things weren't so bad. i mean, the problem is, given a choice, congress doesn't attack the big problems. now wait for a crisis to try to do it. really interesting report. we look forward to talking to you again soon much thanks, carol? >> new this morning, the man held in connection with the disappearance of gardner in aruba is staying behind bars. gary giordano was appealing a ruling to be held for 60 days. yesterday that appeal has been denied. he's not been charged anything, but he was one of the last people to see gardner had she disappeared august 2nd. amanda knox's father says the italian prosecutors have no case left and his daughter will be free by the end of the month. curt knox making those remarks after a judge rejected a prosecution request for new dna testing in the case. knox is fighting a murder conviction for the death of a british roommate. her appeal hearing resumes september 23rd. up next, cnn's special report. teaching our children about 9/11. that dark day in history now becoming part of the curriculum in new jersey schools. we'll take you inside the classroom. also coming up, former new mexico governor bill richardson on a mission to cuba today. we'll tell you why. it's 35 minutes past the hour. a. and tastes simply delicious. for those of us with lactose intolerance... lactaid® milk. the original 100% lactose-free milk. there's another way to minimize litter box odor: purina tidy cats. our premium litters now work harder to help neutralize odors in multiple cat homes. purina tidy cats. keep your home smelling like home. welcome back to "american morning." when the trade center, world trade center towers fell ten years ago, we wondered to tell our kids then. educators in new jersey face the same challenge and have spent time trying to figure out how to teach this. >> they have. they just released this new set of guidelines adding the 9/11 terror attacks to the state's k-12 curriculum. i see you have the curriculum with you. >> yes. i have the entire curriculum with me. what's fascinating is they put a lot of thought into this. they wanted to start in the elementary grades, really teach basics, colors, diversity, what is a hero. simple concepts that children can understand. but the real key is context, context, context. that's what the creators of the curriculum are aiming to achieve. it's such a sad day for so many people that they want to show that terrorism is existed in many forms for generations. the question is, why? and how do we as a society change that? >> you can see the memory garden is going up. >> ask about the day the towers fell and isabel a fernandez, who was seven years old at the time, will tell you about the dust. the airplane parts in the family's living room and most especially the holes. >> had a friend who lived in tribeca. she said, the plane went through and there's holes on each side from either tower. i went through the day with this image of the two towers with holes on both sides. >> now 17 and a senior at a new jersey all girls prep school, fernandez is experiencing 9/11 in a new way. >> what does a terrorist look like? >> as part of history, she's studying it in class. in the context of global security and terrorism. >> it's important not only to look at the event but to understand the history and the consequences. >> though 9/11 is increasingly taught in schools, new jersey's 9/11 curriculum is the first known to be sanctioned by a state education department for grades kindergarten through 12. with more than 100 possible lesson plans on the subject, younger kids may learn about bullying and power. older ones study topics like the allure of terrorism, its history, grieving and also remembering. >> how stereotype in general is a negative. >> which was developed by educators like her. >> how can we make this world a better place that future generations can live in peace? that was a major request coming out of the families of 9/11 had they asked us to write this curriculum. >> 9/11 widow maryellen one of the leaders behind it, knew the time was right. >> these pictures mark a moment in time. they are exactly the age my children were when on 2001 when their dad was killed. >> life after has been a process for her. figuring out ways to explain to her three growing children a little more each year. >> in the beginning was as simple as something really bad happened in new york city. and your dad died. he's not coming home. >> two years ago, with her eldest son heading to high school, she showed her kids video of the attacks. >> hold on just a moment. we have an explosion inside -- >> it was hard for them to see it for the first time. >> you don't think of it as history, something that happened in the world. you think of it as something that happened directly to you. >> that's exactly the mind-set sal moan is trying to change. >> it's a much bigger global issue that has been in history and affected lots and lots of families, not just us. >> timothy mcveigh. >> an drers breivik. >> terror isn't 9/11. that's what we've grown up as far as terrorism -- in. >> learning approximate it in the hopes of trying to prevent it. >> the creators, educators, parents, they want the classroom to be a safe space so children can understand in a really comforting way this painful part of the nation's history. there are different exercises designed to stimulate critical thinking. in the class that you heard from, the students were asked what a terrorist look like. some of the girls br surprised that their responses were stereotypical. you identify with what you know. that's what they're trying to change. they're trying to say, well why? why does your terrorist not look like the norwegian gunman who opened fire on all those kids? it really sparks really good and healthy conversation. >> interesting. the former new jersey governor who helped with this curriculum, he told me this week that it's actually the victims' families who have been the wind at their sales in all of this. it's women like maryellen and her family and others who have all along been saying let's keep it moving, keep going. try to teach from this. this is a part of history. how are we going to do it right? i think that's brave of them. >> maryellen said, i don't want my husband's death to have been in vain. if something positive can come out of this, if children can learn and change the way they see the world, then maybe it will make a difference. >> i'm amazed that politics -- i know you said it was state sanctioned. >> it was endorsed. five years ago they tried this. couldn't get it through. people were just too raw from the experience and it was too political. now, it seems with ten years passed, it is, how do you explain to a six-year-old or an 11-year-old and those are questions people really want to know. teachers want to know. >> how do you explain to a 25-year-old. it's hard for a lot of us to understand. >> great story. this sunday cnn will have special live coverage of the remembrance events throughout the day. 9/11, ten years later. sunday, beginning at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here hon cnn. up next, boycotting the big speech, we'll be joined by a republican congressman who won't be there tonight. the man accused of helping himself at celine dion's house. we'll be back. coffee doesn't have vitamins... unless you want it to. new splenda® essentials™ no calorie sweetener with b vitamins, the first and only one to help support a healthy metabolism. three smart new ways to sweeten. same great taste. new splenda® essentials™. 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>> carol, i've heard this campaign speech before. i've seen the proposals before. how we create jobs and create a strong economy. the president's proposals have not worked before. they're not going to work again. he's proposing the same old stuff that has failed in the past. in fact, big government, central planning has never worked. it didn't work in the soviet union. it's not going to work in this country no matter how president obama tries to put them in place. so i'm eager to hear from my constituents, that's the reason we're doing a town hall meeting over twitter. so people can communicate me and tell me what they think about the president's speech, ha they think we need to be doing in washington to create a strong economy and jobs. >> let's talk about your twitter town hall. you did the same thing during the state of the union. he sent about 25 tweets criticizing the president mostly. one of them went, mr. president you don't believe in the constitution. you believe in socialism. another one, all children will be poor if we continue with obama's policies. how is that exactly helping? that's not really a conversation. that's just accusing the president of things that you believe about him. >> we weren't holding a town hall meeting on that particular occasion. we're doing -- we're inviting people to come on board, to give me comments, to give me suggestions, to tell me what they think we should be doing here in washington, d.c. i'm trying to listen to my constituents. unfortunately, our president doesn't listen to many people except for his close advisers. he has not listened to the american people when he forced through obama care or the stimulus bill. >> i understand you want to listen to your constituents. right now, the country needs you to represent the entire united states, not just your district. >> absolutely. >> right now, the economy is in the tank and people need help. kr not go to the speech, sit down, listen, maybe you won't agree. but at least you'll be there telling the american people not just the people in your district, that you care about the country. >> well, i do care about the country deeply. i i'm a u.s. marine. i join the marine corps to defend our country. i love our country. i love liberty and the thing that i see from this president is he's taking away liberty. in fact, what we need to be doing is focus upon the job creators here in america. not bigger government, not central planning. that's what he believes in. >> but he is the president, sir. he is the president. >> i understand that. >> you have to work with him no matter what you believe. you have to. it's just the way our system is set up. >> carol, you're right. we have to work together. i work with democrats, in fact some of the most liberal democrats we've worked together on many issues, healthcare, housing issues, housing construction, things like that. but the thing is, this president does not listen. this is just another campaign speech. this is -- he's focusing on 2012 election. and that's what this is all about. we're seeing these same proposals of big government, big government spending. it's failed over and over again. i want to hear from my constituent what they say. so it's not being disrespectful to the president. it's being respectful for my -- towards my constituents and i'm eager to work with the president. in fact, he said if we have ideas, to come knocking on his door. but i knocked about my healthcare bill that nobody answered. i introduced hr 660 which would create a lot of jobs here in this country. we need to be focusing on those types of things instead of the central planning big government idea. >> i understand where you're coming from. even eric cantor who walked out of the debt ceiling meetings. even he said we have to find some areas that we agree on because it's so important at this time to do that. he says, i think we need to build consensus and that's going to require all of us not to impugn motives to question patriotism. he says we really need to be there tonight so that we can find common ground. is he wrong? >> carol, what we need to be doing is trying to create an environment so that job creators in the private sector will start hiring people. that's what my bill, hr 660, the jobs act will do. it will put money back in the hands of those job creators. small businesses, large businesses all over this country. so this can buy inventory, expand and hire permanent employees. not these ideas that have been proposed by the president. we've already seen them in the stimulus bill. they failed before. they'll fail again. we need to focus on what will get this country back on the right course. frankly, we can't wait until the 2012 election. we need to be doing that right now. >> uh-huh. >> i'm eager to work with my democrat colleagues in the house an the senate. >> just not the president. >> and the president too. i knocked on his door i many times to try to propose things that make sense for america. make sense for the healthcare and the job creation. make sense to create a strong economy in this country. but he doesn't listen. the thing is, i'm listening to my constituent. i'm listening to the american people. i invite people from all over this country to join in this town hall meeting. they can join me at rep paul brown md and join in the conversation. i encourage people to do so. >> thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you. carol, i have to make a point about stimulus. this is something you've heard a lot from republicans. that they tried stimulus, it didn't work. it's that it was disappointment. it didn't work as well as the white house said it would work. the congressional budget office, private economists, the white house all agree, without stimulus, you would have lost more jobs. it was a buffer. it wasn't the monster job creator that they had hoped. >> you're not allowed to say stimulus anymore. it's a dirty word. >> now it's called a jobs package. we'll be right back. ♪ [ sighs ] [ bird chirps ] [ bird squawks ] ♪ [ bird screeching ] ♪ [ elevator bell dings ] [ sighs ] how mad is she? 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[♪...] >> male announcer: now, for a limited time, your companion flies free, plus save up to 65%. call 1-800-sandals. conditions apply. 12 hours and counting. president obama putting the final touches on an all-important speech about creating jobs. this morning, there are new details on the plan he'll unveil. feisty words at the gop debate. mitt romney and rick perry debating job creation and saving social security. seems the only thing republican rivals agree on is beating barack obama. a frightening accident at washington's national cathedral. a 500-ton crane collapses while workers were making earthquake repairs. how will it impact the president's 9/11 speech scheduled to be delivered there? another super soaking from mother nature. flood warnings up from virginia to new england. as remnants of tropical storm lee lashes the already weather-beaten east coast. all this. "american morning." good morning. it's thursday, september 8th. welcome to "american morning." ali velshi has the morning off. gop frontrunners clash at the republican debate last night in california. rick perry and mitt romney sparring over social security and who is better kbfd to create jobs. at one point, perry said "kind of felt like a pinata." jim acosta live in los angeles this morning. it was an interesting debate. i got to say. >> it was. you know, rick perry did say last night that he felt like the pinata at the republican debate at the reagan library. that's for good reason. because nearly every other republican candidate on that stage was taking their best whack at the new gop front-runner. but rick perry showed he can hit back. >> rick perry and mitt romney stood side by side at the reagan debate, close enough for the if you remember to fly. first on the question of which governor created more jobs of. >> we created more jobs in the last three months in texas than he created in four careers in massachusetts. texas is a great state. it has zero income tax. tex tx has a right to work state. but governor perry doesn't believe that he created those things. if he tried to say that, it would be like al gore saying he invented the internet. >> michael dukakis create the jobs five times faster. >> george bush created jobs at a faster rate than you did, governor. >> jumping into the mix was a newly aggressive john huntsman. >> i hate to rain on the parade of the lonestar governor. we were the number one job creator in this country. >> it switched to the romney jose canseco plan and the original mandate requiring residents to have medical insurance. what some republicans call owe bottom any care. >> everyone elsa grease that the massachusetts example was a great opportunity fort rest of the country. no? it was a great opportunity for us as a people to see what will not work. that is an individual mandate in this country. >> ron paul later noted, perry was once a democrat who showed some of his own support for government healthcare. >> the governor of texas criticized the governor of massachusetts for romney-care. but he wrote really fancy letter supporting hillary-care. >> speaking of letters, i was more spd in the one that you wrote to ronald reagan back and said i'm going to quit the party because of the things you believe in. >> newt gingrich tried to bring the rumble to a halt. >> i for one, i hope all of my friends up here will repudiate every effort of the news media to get republicans to fight each other to protect barack obama o who deserves to be defeated. all of us as a team, we're all for defeating barack obama. >> contrast that applause with the crickets that followed paul's comment that a fence along the u.s. border with mexico could be used to keep americans caged in. >> so every time you think of a fence keeping all the bad people out, think about those fences maybe being used against us, keeping us in. >> it was perry who was on the defense. take his anti-washington book fed up in which he refers to social security as a ponzi scheme. >> it is a monstrous lie. it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you paying into a program that's going to be there. >> romney couldn't resist. >> you say that by any measure social security is failure. you can't say that to tens of millions of americans who live on social security. >> in an interview before the debate, president obama's reelection campaign adviser, robert gibbs said, perry's book will be fair game. >> are you looking forward to running against that book? >> well x look, i think each one of the candidates has their share of kooky views, if you will. each candidate has a view that the american people will find hard to defend. one of the most surprising things about the debate was michele bachmann's performance. you could argue that perry's rise has hurt her the most. but carol, she didn't go after the gop front-runner. it was pretty much hands off. >> and the first question to her didn't come for 14 minutes much she was shutout at the beginning. you're right, she wasn't aggressive. >> had an hour and a half to get her message across. that's the debate. you got to play with the cards you're dealt. >> seemed like she was sticking to her talking points. jim acosta live in los angeles, thank you. in 30 minutes, we'll break down the debate and find out who came out on top when we talk to dana loesc. and former john mccain campaign adviser, mark mick kin none. be with us on monday when the tea party express, cnn co-host a debate with the republican candidates in tampa, florida. the site of the 2012 republican national convention. the cnn tea party republican debate, monday night at 8:00 eastern. and "american morning's" ali velshi will be live from tampa monday morning. you'll get a front row seat and bring us everything that happened beginning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. in 12 hours president obama will stand before a joint session of congress and the american people and deliver his plan for an economic revival. specifically, in jobs. democratic source tell cnn the prescription to create jobs and grow the economy is expected to call for more tax cuts, targeted tax cut and more spending on roads and bridges. and the price tag, we're told it won't cost a penny. that's because the spending, which sources tell cnn could maybe tap $400 billion, any of that new spending would be offset by the same amount in cuts. you can watch the president's speech tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern coming up in less than a half an hour. i'm going to ask white house press secretary jay carney about the tone that the president will take ton. how tough the president will sound. how he's going to put it in the court of congress. you guys have to pass these laws to get some of this stuff done. >> looking congress straight in the eye. it's your turn to talk back on the big story of the the day. the question this morning, how should the president handle the country's divisiveness in his speech tonight? talk about pressure much the president will be facing a bitterly divided congress. the political forecast, ice cold. republican congressman joe wallish is skipping the president's speech because i don't see a point in being a prop for another of the president's speeches asking for more failed stimulus spending. louisiana republican senator david viter won't be there either. he's hosting an nfl football party. add to that the vicious partisan attacks coming from both parties you become numb, you've heard it loud and clear. >> he's the most effective food stamp president in american history. >> tea party can go straight to -- >> that's what we have witnessed since friday. obama-geddon. barackalypse now. let's give america back to america where we belong. >> why bother with a bipartisan speech as new york times columnist paul krugman writes, what will republicans agree to? that's easy. nothing. they will oppose anything mr. obama proposes. but there are republican leaders who say they want to work with the president. in a letter to obama, house speaker john boehner and majority leader eric cantor write, it's critical that our differences not preclude us from taking action in areas where there is common agreement. we should not approach this as an all or nothing situation. so our talkback question this morning, how should the president handle the country's divisiveness in his speech tonight? facebook.com/"american morning." i'll reed your comments later this hour. >> divisiveness, carol? i have a feeling that a bunch of press releases have been written before his speech has been said. >> wouldn't it be nice if the president during his speech and members of congress would just break down in a couple ba i can't song? >> i would faint. in the northeast, flood warnings are up across a very wide area this morning. the remnants of tropical storm lee expected to bring heavy rain from washington, d.c. to western new england. some areas could get as much as ten inches of rain. rob marciano at the extreme he they are center. rob, there's been -- august was already the rainiest month on record for new jersians. any relief in sight? >> it's moving so slowly, i'm afraid it gets worse before better. you mentioned ten inches of rain possible. we've seen that in harrisburg, pennsylvania. bingehamton new york. the susquehanna valley getting hit hard with this. jersey is seeing a decent amount of rainfall. many of the rivers, the passaic included, will rise to levels that will rival if not surpass irene just a week and a half ago. here's the passaic at pine brook. expected to go to major stage in the next day but to break records up through saturday. so be aware of that. flash flood warnings from central new york all the way to the delmarva. d.c., baltimore, heavier rain in the past 12 hours. moisture from what's left over of lee, continues to stream to the north. not a lot of easterly progress with this. we're seeing the amount of rainfall, serious situation across the susquehanna valley, including hershey, pennsylvania. they're looking for those rivers to crest in the next 12 to 18 hours. detroit, new york, boston, if you're traveling biplane, we have issues there from the rainfall. u.s. open will probably have issues as well. speaking of issues, we have three of them now. many of you know about katia, still a category 1 hurricane. not worried approximate that. maria popped up yesterday about this time. we might have to worry about this about next week. then nate, that popped up yesterday afternoon. we'll probably have to deal with that here before too long. we'll take nate as far as rainfall goes. but there's no guarantee that the rainfall from nate will get up into texas where we desperately need it. likely, guys it will go more into mexico itself. it could strengthen to a hurricane in the next couple days as it spins in the bay of campeche. watching the rivers continue to rise in the northeast with leftovers of what was only a tropical storm but we know how much moisture those tropical systems carry. tropical storm lee in the northeast. >> i discovered that this morning. >> very wet out there. right. thanks, rob. also new this morning, investigators still trying to figure out why a 500-ton crane collapsed while workers were repairing the earthquake damaged national cathedral in washington. two building and several cars were damaged, too, when the operator of the crane was injured. officials would not say whether the accident will delay their plans to reopen the cathedral on friday. president obama is scheduled to give his 9/11 speech there on sunday. fire crews in texas gaining ground on the most destructive across the state. near austin, 30% contained. president obama personally called texas governor rick perry promising a quick federal response to the fire disaster. >> searching for gadhafi, a spokesman for the new military council saying the ousted dictator is surrounded but he won't say where. >> a message reportedly from gadhafi insisting he's still in libya and that nato will be defeated. ha amanda knox's father say the prosecutors have no case left and hoping his daughter will be freed by the end of the month. this after a judge rejected a prosecution request for new dna testing in the case. knox's murder conviction appeal resumes september 23rd. actress reese witherspoon is said to be resting comfortably after being struck by a car while jogging near los angeles. that car according to police was drich by an 84-year-old woman. the driver was cited for failing to yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk. all right. still to come this morning, a chilling audiotape some never heard before from a poord one of the planes hijacked on september 11th. also ahead, a day in the life of new york city police commissioner ray kelly as he tries to secure the big apple a hefd the 9/11 ceremonies. nasa keeping an eye on the weather. a storm system could scrap the launch of its new nigs to the moon. it's 12 minutes past the hour. [ female announcer ] lactaid milk is easy to digest. it's real milk full of calcium and vitamin d. and tastes simply delicious. for those of us with lactose intolerance... lactaid® milk. the original 100% lactose-free milk. welcome back to "american morning." tep years after the 9/11 terror attacks, real time recordings from the tragic morning in 2001 are being posted by the new york times. some of these recording we've never heard before. >> you might find them disturbing. in this first cut we hear a flight attendant on flight 11 speaking to an operation's agent from the air phone in the back of her hijacked plane. >> number one got stabbed, our purser is stabbed. nobody knows who stabbed who. we can't get up to business class now because nobody can breathe. our number 1 is strabd right now. and our number 5. our first class passengers are -- first class galley flight attendant and purser has been stabbed. we can't get up to the cockpit. the door won't open. >> as you know, flight 11 crashed into the north tower of the world trade center. in this next recording, a boston air traffic controller hears hijacker muhammad telling everybody on board flight 11 to keep silent. >> is that american 11 trying to call? >> we're having claims to stay quiet and they'll be okay. we are returning to the airport. >> and who is trying to call me here? american 11, are you trying to call? >> nobody move. everything is okay. if you try to make any moves, you will injure yourself and the airplane. just stay quiet. >> just chilling today, isn't it? the new york city police department says even though there are no specific threats, thousands of extra officers will be deployed this weekend for the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. >> security will be very, very tight. not only because two presidents will be on hand but because there's evidence osama bin laden was hoping to strike america on the tenth anniversary of its darkest day. jason carroll is with us. you had a chance to speak with ray kelly. >> about a week off and on. the man keeps an incredible schedule. but he says that helps to keep him going. police commissioner ray kelly admittedly is a man who likes to be in control. his department has been credited in reducing crime over the past several years. but his greatest challenge is protecting the city against another terrorist attack. as we approach the ten-year anniversary of 9/11, we spoke to commissioner kelly about his job and what he's doing to meet that challenge. new york city, the largest city in the united states. its iconic structures making it the nation's number one tourist spot. also making it a potential target for terrorists. >> we have to think about a nuclear event. we have to think about a dirty bomb. those sorts of things that we're paid to think about. so i wouldn't say keeps me up at night but it's constantly on our radar screen. >> cnn spent several days with ray kelly, new york's top cop. to get an idea of what it's like to manage the country's large he's police force. >> i find it exhilarating. energizing. so -- i think the work that the officers do is really inspirational. >> for the commissioner, there are daily security briefings, meetings with muslim leaders, community outreach. on this day, marching in the west indian day parade. speaking engagements, like this graduation for the first class of officers assigned to specifically patrol the world trade center. >> we'll do that now. >> mobilizing for potential emergencies, like hurricane irene. >> one of the things that we have honed and developed in a post 9/11 experience is our ability to mass large numbers of police officers fairly quickly. >> a vietnam marine with decades of service on new york's police force, kelly held several high-profile law enforcement jobs before the city's mayor brought him back just months after 9/11 to serve as police commissioner for a second time. >> you've been police commissioner for so long now, it seems, how would you define your management style? >> i guess a little bit hands-on. >> whatever the style, in his latest stint as commissioner, kelly says his department has prevented 13 terrorist attacks. >> you have the brooklyn bridge here. one of those potential targets. >> kelly showed us a fraction of the department's vast array of security cameras, just one of the tools used in securing the city. >> we work with the community, we have uniformed presence at significant locations. we have a proactive intelligence division. all of those things so far have worked well. there's no guarantees. >> kelly shares a concern recently expressed by president obama. namely, how to stop an attack from a so-called lone wolf. someone not connected it a terrorist group who operates below the radar. >> with great difficulty. we hope for intelligence information and that's our sort of first line of defense. but it may not be forthcoming. you have an individual who stays only to himself or herself, it's very difficult to predict that or protect against it. >> that's their greatest concern. kelly has been so successful at his job, his name has been tossed around as a possible candidate for new york city mayor or perhaps even the next fbi director. when i asked kelly about both of those jobs, he gave hee his standard answer. basically saying he already has the best job in the world and that he has no plans to run for office. but you know, when he said that, he had a bit of a twinkle in his eye. so it sort of makes me wonder. >> that's interesting. but he's right about that lone wolf. because there really isn't much you can do to stop that. >> well, you know, you can rely on intelligence. you can rely on the extra undercover officers that you have, but when you're operating below the radar, you know, as many security analysts will tell you, there are no guarantees. >> the people around you. like we can probably stop a lone wolf, maybe perhaps better than a -- >> that's a good point that's why when you're here in new york city, a lot of people not in the city don't realize this, they have a slogan, if you see something, say something. always be vigilant. >> man, that's everywhere. thanks so much. be sure to join us for live coverage of 9/11 ten years later on sunday, beginning at 8:00 a.m. eastern on cnn. we'll have special live coverage of the remembrance event throughout the day. still to come, president obama is putting the final touches on tonight's big jobs plan speech. we'll get insight into what the president is thinking. what he's going to say of the we'll talk to the white house press secretary, jay carney in a couple of minutes. improve the health of your skin with aveeno daily moisturizing lotion. the natural oatmeal formula improves skin's health in one day, with significant improvement in 2 weeks. i found a moisturizer for life. 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"american morning" will be back after this quick break. and tastes simply delicious. for those of us with lactose intolerance... lactaid® milk. the original 100% lactose-free milk. the authentic, the rare, the hard to define. to those always searching for what's pure and what's real from we who believe we know just how you feel. haagen-dazs. good morning to you. it is 30 minutes past the hour. time for top stories. another round of heavy rain and flooding in the east. the remnants of tropical storm lee have communities from virginia to new england dealing with the hurricane cleanup on alert for a new round of flash flooding. the flooding blamed for at least one death in pennsylvania. jury selection set to begin in the trial of dr. conrad murray, michael jackson's personal physician. murray is accused of involuntary manslaughter in jackson's death. his lawyers tried unsuccessfully to have jurors sequestered during the trial. we expect a verdict in the trial of john gallonian owe. he made -- faces up to six months in prison if convicted. now to rob marciano in atlanta. rain, rain go away, come back another day. it keeps coming back. hi, rob. >> good morning, guys. some of the flooding like we mentioned is going to rival, if not surpass what we got from irene. the focus has shifted to eastern pennsylvania. these are the areas highlighted as far as the flash flood watches and warnings. there's the moisture continues to stream up towards the north from the south. it is not making a whole lot of progress off to the east. d.c. had a terrible rush hour last night, this morning is no better. same deal for a lot of the metro areas. but we're really seeing areas to the west and the eastern pennsylvania seeing quite a bit of flooding. we're anticipating some of these rivers and tributaries of the susquehanna including the creek here hershey not only record flood stage, this may go several feet or is already several feet above record flood stage. there are evacuations up river along the susquehanna toward scranton. this is going to be an issue for the next 12 to 24 hours. a dangerous one. we have one fatality in pennsylvania because of flooding. we may get more if people don't act quickly. we'll keep you posted. back to you. >> thank you, rob. tonight president obama puts his job plan before the american people. the plan could end up topping $400 billion. it includes a lot of infrastructure spending and targeted tax cuts. offset by spending cuts elsewhere. joining me live to talk more about the plan is white house press secretary jay carney. good morning, jay. >> good morning, christine. thanks for having me. >> i'm told it has a name. the mefrp jobs act. does that mean there's legislation written tied to the name that you can present to congress and say here's our plan, plets do it? >> absolutely, christine. it does indeed have a name. the american jobs act. the president will announce tonight that he intends to submit legislation to congress early next week which will contain all of his proposals, as well as a provision to pay for all of his proposals as you mentioned. and that he will challenge congress to examine what he's put forward, to recognize that all of these ideas are bipartisan in nature. they're the kinds of things that republicans and democrats have broadly supported in the past. and that, therefore, given the fact that they're paid for, given the fact that the economy needs help and that americans need help, congress should act right away and get done. congress, after five weeks of recess is ready to get to work for the american people. they should look at this package, recognize that it's sensible, that it will absolutely help dproe the economy, absolutely help create jobs and pass it right away. >> let's talk about what's in it. some of the things we probably have seen and i'm sure you don't want to get in front of your boss. i recognize that too. unemployment benefits extension. payroll tax holiday. infrastructure spending. all of these things widely suspected. is there anything new in there. something we haven't tried before to get jobs going? >> there will be some new ideas that you haven't heard from us before that are part of the baskets, part of the areas in terms of tax relief and infrastructure spending, assistance to communities to help rebuild their schools, assistance to states to help retain teachers so teachers aren't laid off. every parent in america knows that the key to their children's economic future is a good education. we need to have those teachers on the job. we need to have first responders on the job. there will be a variety of proposals, reforms within these baskets that will be new and we believe we'll have broad bipartisan support in congress and certainly in the broader american community. >> how do you convince opponents that it's going to work? remember, before stimulus, the white house said if you don't pass stimulus -- if you pass stimulus, you'll be able to make sure the unemployment rate doesn't rise before 8 percent. that didn't happen. the white house underestimated how bad the economy was. today you have republicans who said look, they told us we could keep the unemployment rate at 8%. they use that to discredit anything you come up with now. >> you made an important point. we shouldn't spend too much time on history. there is not an economist worth the piece of paper that his ph.d. is printed on who does not recognize the fact that the recession that this president inherited was far worse than anybody recognized at the end of 2008 or early 2009. that 8 million jobs in total were lost because of that recession. there is not an economist worth his or her ph.d. the value of that paper who doesn't recognize that the measures this president took with congress in 2009 saved the automobile industry in america, prevented the banks in america from collapsing and put more than three million back to work through the recovery act. >> jay? >> the measures he proposes today are absolutely what this economy is demanding and what the american people are demanding. >> the narrative has shifted from what the president did to i guess ameliorate a terrible situation to now the president is destroying jobs. that's a narrative that's resonating and you know it. >> that's a narrative -- no, no. that's resonating among a narrow slice of -- this is the kind of stuff that americans just they pull their hair out had they hear this. the bickering and political approximates touring. there is broad bipartisan consensus in america of the kinds of actions the president will propose. what i know is that americans do not believe that the policies that got us into in mess are the policies that will help get us out of it. that is absolutely from any polling data you read. i know you know that's the case. what we hope to hear from congress is a will necessary to act now. what we hope to hear from congress is a recognition that the old ideas aren't going to get us out of the mess. the old ideas that created it, woechbt get us out of the mess. the ideas that the president are putting forward have traditionally had bipartisan support. the republicans need to explain why they don't support it. why what they supported before they don't support now? is it because it's this president's proposal. i don't think that will fly with the american people. they want action. most of all, they're tired of washington gridlock and inaction. what we saw over the summer, christine, is the gridlock and inaction isn't just annoying, it's harmful and dangerous. the behavior that we saw this summer that brought us to the brink of economic crisis because of the debt ceiling is unbelievable bli dangerous and harmful to the economy and the american people. >> jay carney, white house press secretary. it's got a name, going to be legislation, you'll deliver it to congress, making news this morning. we'll watch tonight for sure. thanks, jay. >> thanks for having me. of course, we'll cover it live. that coverage begins at 6:00 p.m. eastern followed by the speech at 7:00 and analysis at 8:00. interesting. still to come this morning, the fallout from last night's fiery republican debate. we'll ask the experts if perry or romney came out on top or someone else made headway. who knows? 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things got testy when the gop frontrunners tried to create separation on issues like social security and job creation. who scored with the voters and who slipped? let's ask the experts. joining us live, dana loesh, co-founder of the st. louis tea party. from washington, ron brown stein, editorial director of the national journal. mark. mckinnon. and a former adviser to john mccain. welcome to all of you. >> good morning. good morning. >> that wasn't a spirited good morning. >> good morning! >> how are you? >> better. dana, let's start with you. tea party voters are looking at this debate closely. who do you think won? did the field narrow to two candidates last night? >> i think it did. it was a really -- it was kind of an odd shifting going on last night. michele bachmann, who i think has performed very aggressively in past debates was just sort of on the outside last night. i don't -- i think part of it it was due to the number of questions asked her. but at the same time, she was a lot less fiery. i think ultimately, it became a two-man race in the beginning. you could have pretty much have ended the debate after the first ten minutes because that summarized it right there. they had them front and center. they had them standing side by side and it was romney and perry and ultimately, i think romney perhaps performed the best. and i am not a big romney fan. i think he performed the best. i think perry, especially from the other candidates piling on him and the nature of the questions asked to him, i think he was the perceived front-runner. >> let's talk about that first ten minutes of that debate. ron, the big fight is obviously as dana said between perry and romney. each one wants to be known as the guy who can create jobs. let's listen to some of the debate starting with romney giving perry a hard time for the advantages he had in the state of texas. >> texas has a lot of oil and gas in the ground. those are wonderful things. but governor perry doesn't believe he created those things. if he tried to say that, it would be like al gore saying he invented the internet. >> michael dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did mitt. >> as a matter of fact, george bush and predecessor created jobs at a faster rate than you did, governor. >> that's not correct. >> romney, interesting thing. as i'm listening to that, on my blackberry comes an e-mail from the perry campaign saying huh-uh, george w. bush did not the offense. but much shakier, i thought, on the defense. when he was challenging mitt romney on his jobs record base. he was can have depth, firm, strong language. when he was put on the defense, though, when he had to talk about his views on social serity or climate change or his mandatory vaccinations of young girls in texas or the large number of uninsured in texas, i thought he was much shakier. i thought romney, once again he's the performance, you can use the same adjectives to describe his hair, one key mome how ideologically isolated on a big issue when every other candidate on the stage said they would oppose the individual mandate. they opposed the mandate on health insurance that he applied in massachusetts. i agree with dana, i think a big point here, the gavitational pull of the race, the desire of voters and the media especially to kind of narrow it once you get th opportunity, it was very difficult, i think, for anyone else to really insert themselves in this debate. john huntsman was pretty good. like tim pawlenty in the summer, he kind of blinked at a big moment where he did not personalize his criticism of rick perry and attach the argument to him. i think it was really, you're going to see how difficult it will be for anybody else to shoe horn their way into in argument. >> let's talk about the science. the global issue or the global warming issue. because you're right, rick perry stuck to his ideology. let's play a bit of what he said about that last night. >> just because you have a group of scientists that stood up and said here is the fact. galileo got outvoted for a spell. >> by making comments that basically don't reflect the reality of the situation, we turn people off. >> mark, what do you make of that? that might appeal to very conservative republicans, but it likely will t appeal to republicans who aren't so conservative or independents. >> well, i don't happen to agree with that sentiment. i'm not a ma juror jort of the republican primary. the heat and the energy is among that constituency. i think tlerp really -- four stories. it was great theater, good fireworks. rick perry is the front-runner and he did nothing last night to knock himself off that status. mitt romney was solid as he has been in the recent debates. >> mark, even on the social security issue? because rick perry stuck by his guns and said social security is a ponzi scheme. >> because a lot of -- i think a lot of people agree that. he'll have an opportunity over time to explain what he's talking about. the funding of it. he's not for abolishing the program. he's talking about the funding of it. to a larmg extent that that's true. many republicans agree with that. the other story as ron mentioned, huntsman did very well and ron paul, he gets ignored by the media, but he wins every on-line poll on his performance. >> mark, i would qualify one thing that you said. i thought that perry's performance explained why so many of the republican base are excited by him. also, if you were a republican inclined to be concerned about his general election viability, i don't think he came out of last night's debate with your concerns soothed. the kind of language he uses and the positions that he espoused, shows the effect of competing in a state that is in effect a one-party state. this is not a politician who really had to win swing voters in order to win elections. there are kind of instincts that you don't get honed when that is the case. again, if you looked at the kind of language he used and some of the positions he took, if you were inclined toe worried about him as a general election candidate, i don't think you came out less worried. >> i feel like forcing you all to make a prediction right now. like who do you think is going to win the republican primary. do any of you care to do that? >> no. >> it would be who do you not want to win the republican primary is the better question. i can make that answer, i can give that answer easily. >> go ahead. >> if i could, i'll just say i think ron is right. there's concern among the republicans about general election viability. but if the economy doesn't get better than it is right now, ron paul can be the nominee and win this nomination. >> all right. we got to wrap it up. >> not with that foreign policy stance. our debaters are debating. we like that. thank you all for joining us. it's never too early in the morning for a good debate, right? >> that's right. still to come this morning, nasa set to launch a new mission to unlock the mysteries of the moon. it's9 minutes pa the hour. [ barks ] [ cat meows ] [ woman ] ♪ i just want to be okay ♪ be okay, be okay ♪ i just want to be okay today - ♪ i just want to know today - [ whistles ] ♪ know today, know today - [ cat meows ] - ♪ know that maybe i will be okay ♪ [ chimes ] travelers can help you protect the things you care about... and save money with multi-policy discount are you getting the coverage you need... and the discounts you deserve? for an agent or quote, call 800-my-coverage.. or visit travelers.com. welcome back to "american morning." the shuttle program is done but nasa's exploration of space is not. >> it is not. this morning, nasa is heading back to the moon. the grail rocket launch is scheduled less than an hour from now, weather permitting, of course. >> john zarrella is live at the ken city space center. how is the weather, john? >> reporter: better than expected a lot better nasa thought it would be today. something i never really thought of, despite the fact that we have sent people to the moon, we really don't know what the moon is made of. the delta rocket behind me has two probes inside of it that nasa hopes, when they get to the moon, will awer that question. the moon. okay. so we have established it's not really made of green cheese. the apollo astronauts bagged up more than 800 pounds of rock and dirt. >> the soil here is a bit firmer, i think. >> reporter: what about all of that stuff? isn't what the moon is made of? that is just on top. the fact is we really don't know what is beneath the surface. >> the part of lunar understanding that we don't yet have is what is inside the moon, so to really understand the moon and understand what makes it special, we need to study what is inside. >> reporter: to dohat, nasa is embarking on a unique mission bawled grail. two space probes will fly one behind the other in identical owner bits around the moon. the gravitational tugs on the probes changes as they fly over mountains, valle or masses under the surface. it gives them a lunar cat scan. that's right. imagine a cat scan of the moon. >> it provides us essentially with a picture of the lunar interior, just like you would make a picture of the inside of your body. >> reporter: it's theorized pfs formed after a collision between the earth and another giant body. that is the case, it will give scientists a better understanding of how the interplanets of the solar system were formed. in a first, nasa will dedicate instruments, in this case, cameras on the probes, exclusively to education. middle school students and teachers can go to the moon cam website and request a lunar surface location to be photographed. >> and i think once they begin to look at detailed images when they go out in their backyard and look at the moon, they will look at it in a whole new way and i think that is priceless. >> reporter: the pictures will be posted in a photo gallery on the internet. now, to me, that is as cool as any part of this whole mission. there are four cameras on each of the probes and middle school teacrs and their students from around the world can go online to moon cam, moonkam and go ahead after the first of the year and start putting in your requests for your own personalized photos of the lunar surface. that is pretty cool. middle school teachers out there, get ready. carol, christine? that is awesome. >> it really is. thanks, john. we asked you to talkback. the question how should the president handle the country's divisiveness in his speech tonight? george saying it's time for him to remember chicago democratic roots and come out swinging with a hard, definite stand. at some point, the president must remember he is a democrat and that heas to take a specific stand in order to persuade everyone. tom says in a weird way i agree with the republicans. the president's speech won't matter. our government isso broken that it is well past the point of repair. all that politicians from any party care about is themselves and the companies and lobbyists who have paid him out. this from andrew. the future of our country is more important than anyone's individual agenda. keep the comments coming. facebook.com/americanmorning and i'll read more in the next hour. two men both want president obama's job and squaring off last night in the debate an made it clear they are the leaders in the republican pack. plus, the lessons of 9/11. how one state is teaching kids about the terror attacks and the history of terrorism. you're watching "american morning." it's 56 minutes past the hour. coffee doesn't have vitamins... unless you want it to. new splenda® essentials™ no cae sweetener with b vitamins, the first and only one to help support a healthy metabolism. three smart new ways to sweeten. same great taste. new splenda® essentials™. same great taste. membership rewards points from american express. the social currency. today is the day! i'm carol costello. tonight, president obama lays out his big jobs plan but will his ideas be enough to jump-start this country's sputtering job market? i'm christine romans. rick perry making his debate debut. the texas governor tangling last night with mitt romney and six other republicans on job creation and social security. how did he do? we are sorting out the scorecards on this "american morning." ♪ good morning to you! it is thursday, september 8th. ali velshi h the day off. we begin with breaking news out of germany. police say they have arrested two men for planning a possible attack. according to police, 24-year-old lebanese descent and 28-year-old man from gaza trying to buy explosives. president obama takes his case for a massive jobs plan directly to the nation. democratic sources telling cnn the plan could top $400 billion. we are told it will include a mix of infrastructure spending and targeted tax cuts. >> earlier, i spoke to white house press secretary jay carney about what else we can expect tonight. >> is there anything new in there? a new -- something we haven't tried before to get jobs going? >> there will be some new ideas that you haven't heardrom us before that are part of the baskets, part of the areas in terms of tax relief and infrastructure spending, assistance to communities to help rebuild their schools, assistance to states to help retain teachers so teachers aren't laid off. every parent in america knows that the key to their children's economic future is a good education. we need to have those teachers on the job. we need to have first responders on the job. there will be a variety of proposals, reforms within these baskets that will be new and we believe we'll have broad bipartisan support. >> it will be a piece of legislation. the american jobs act will be delivered to congress. joining me to talk about the president's plan is ron brownstein, cnn's political analyst and the editorial of "the national journal and nick ryd gone. ron, let me start with you. the criticism we have heard over and over again the president hasn't put a wrd on paper and hasn't given us hi real details. jay carney says there will be words on paper and a bill and it will go congress. >> first of all, presidents are judged primarily by results so a limit to how much you can change your political situation with any proposal or any speech. but having said that, i think the president as you suggest has two clear political needs in the speech tonight. one reassure people he has a plan. i mean, the public's faith that the economy is going to get better has eroded enormously. i think the latest need for the president is show he believes in and will fight for a plan. we have seen his ratings on leadership declined significantly this year, particularly around that debt ceiling fight and that is usually a leading indicator for trouble for politician and elected official in executive position. ithink he has to show he has a direction and fight for that direction. i think above the imperative he faces as he faces the nation tonight. >> jay carney told us there will be measures within this that republicans have supported before. sort of putting them in a box now you're not supporting the president's plan? something you've been behind before. how important is that? >> i think it's important and revealing of this president's mindset how he approaches the job of presidency and thinking about re-election. a lot of democrats want him to be harry truman putting out a very bold plan that would draw sharp contrast with republicans and bash them for not supporting it. i think his model is like theodore roosevelt we need to support and affirm the national interest and i think that is more of the line of argument that he pursues tonight. i think he will argue a plan he has been popular in both parties. >> nick, he has to be tough and conciliatory because he can't really anger this kind of powerful sliver of the republican party that has been holding things up. >> it's a fine needle to thread. president has two other big speeches he'll give before the country. the state of the union and his democratic acceptance speech so this is a rare moment. typically, presidents do the joint sessions during great times of crisis. fdr before the war and gerald ford after he became president. he has to meet the republicans halfway on a few items as ron mentioned to get things done and, at the same time, draw a line in the sand. it is a political speech so it's a very fine line to walk. >> you know, the era of decisiveness we have in and ask both of you to finish this off. ron, carol's question of the day. how do we overcome this? i mean, can this legislation, this speech, this moment tonight overcome which is a poisoned atmosphere? >> we are dealing with the party line voting. we have enormous gaps the way presidents are viewed and more primary challenges and more overtly partisan media that attacks anybody who is seen as collaborating with the other side. all of these are big forces. the only real force on the other side of the weight is the voters themselves. most politicians, as i've said before, right now, believe they have nor to fear from compromising too much from compromising too little. i think even at a moment like this we are not in the moral equivalent of war but facing a true national challenge i think it calls on both parties to find ways to reach out of comfort zone and find a path forward to deal with the seriously problems in the country. >> the president is good at big speeches and living up to the moment. it will be a big challenge tonight. he is not going to get many more chances to speak to the country and give them his plan. >> thank you both. we will cover this. you can watch the president's speech live at 6:00 p.m. eastern followed by some analysis before and after the speech. the speech is at 7:00 but we will be starting it at 6:00. now is your turn to talkback. the question for you this morning is how should the president handle the country's decisiveness in his speech tonight? the president will be facing a bittering divided congress. the forecast is ice cold. joe walsh is skipping the president's speech altogether because, quote. louisiana republican senator david vitter won't be there either. he is hosting an nfl football party. the vicious partisan attacks coming from both parties. unless you become numb, you have heard it loud and clear. >> he's the most effective food stamp president in american history. >> tea party can go straight to hell! >> that's what we have witnessed since friday. obama getten. barack lips now. >> why bother with a bipartisan speech? as paul krugman writes. but there are republicans leaders who say they want to work with the president. in a letter to obama, house speaker john boehner and mjt leader eric cantor write it is critical our differences not preclude us from taking action in areas where there is common agreement and not approach this as all or nothing situation. our question for you is how should the president handle the country's divisiveness in his speech tonight? i'll read your comments later this hour. two men who want barack obama's job, rick perry and mitt romney, clashing last night at the big presidential debate. >> interesting to watch because sparring over social security and who is better qualified to create jobs. jim acosta watched it all and he joins us live from los angeles this morning. good morning, jim. >> reporter: good morning to you. rick perry said last night trting debate that he felt like the republican party pinata and because he was. rick perry and mitt romney stood side-by-side at the reagan debate close enough for the fur to fly. first on the question of which governor created more jobs. >> we created more jobs in the last three months in texas than he created in four years in massachusetts. >> texas is a great state. texas has zero income tax. texas has a right to work state. but governor perry doesn't believe he created those things. if he tried to say that, it would be like al gore saying he invented the internet. >> michael dukakis created jobs than you did. >> jumping into the mix was a newly aggressive jon huntsman. >> i hate to rain on the parade of the great lone star governor but as governor of utah we were the number one job creator in this country. >> reporter: the debate switched to the romney health care plan in massachusetts and its individual mandate that requires residents to have medical insurance. what some republicans now call obamney care. >> everyone else on this stage agrees it was a great opportunity for the rest the country. >> no. >> no. >> it was a great opportunity for us as a people to see what will not work and that is an individual mandate in this country. >> ron paul noted perry once a democrat showed some of his own support for government health care. >> the governor of texas criticized the governor of massachusetts for romney care but he wrote a fans li letter supporting hillary care. >> speaking of letters. i was more interested in the one that you wrote to ronald reagan and said i'm quitting the party because of the things you believe in. >> newt gingrich tried to bring it to a halt. >> i for one and hope all of my friends up here will repudiate every effort of the news media to get prps to fight each other to protect barack obama who deserves to be defeated and all of us are committed as a team whoever the nominee is, we are all for defeating barack obama! >> contrast that roaring applause with the cricket that followed paul's comment that a fence along the u.s. border with mexico could be used to keep americans caged in. >> every time you think of a fence keeping those bad people out, think about those fences maybe being used against us keeping us in. >> reporter: but it was perry who was on the defense. take his anti-washington book fed up as he refers to the social security as a ponzi scheme. >> it is a monstrous lie. it is a ponzi scheme to tell our kids you are paying into a program is going to be there. >> reporter: romney couldn't resist. >> you say that by any measure, social security is a failure. you can't say that to tens of millions of americans who live on social security and those who have lived on it. >> reporter: in an interview with cnn before the reagan debate president obama's campaign adviser robert gibbs said perry's book will be fair game. are you looking forward to running against that book? >> i think each one of these candidates have their share of cookie views if you will. each candidate has an idea i think american people will find hard to defend. >> reporter: you know, outside the debate last night, they had one of those spin rooms and i had a chance to catch up with mark minor who is the spokesman for the perry campaign. i asked him about the texas governor's decision to go ahead and double down on that comment that socially is that social security is a ponzi scheme. he thinks it's fine for the governor to say that because that is what he believes. >> i think this was brought out in the debate, texas is a republican state and rick perry hasn't had to temper his remarks because the competition hasn't been that much most him. you wonder here on how if he has to temper the comments a little. >> reporter: that's right. at this point, it looks like iowa is a state that rick perry could win. new hampshire is a state that mitt romney could win. once you get down into south carolina and florida, those are states where you are a larger elderly population and so the big question for the republican party is can you talk about social security in this fashion and be successful as a republican candidate? we know this has been a big tea party movement for the republican party and rick perry sort of fits that bill. but the social security question is going to be a big test for his campaign. can he survive these comments which he double down on last night, not backing away from them at all. >> thanks, jim. >> be with us on monday when the tea party express and other tea party groups co-host a debate in tampa. the site of the republic national convention. it is at 8:00 eastern here on monday night. ali live from tampa on monday morning. i'm going to make him start at 5:00 a.m. eastern. >> let's do it. >> he'll start at 5:00 a.m. eastern! >> all right. that will be great. still head, most elementary school students weren't alive on september 11th, 2001. the day terrorists made the country stand still how how is america teaching the students today? we will take a look ahead. tropical storm lee are to blame for deadly flooding in the northeast. plus a triple threat in the atlantic. rob marciano has got the latest on katia and maria and now nate. nasa heads back to the moon promising to unlock its mysteries. is the weather a go for the launch? 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"american morning" will be back after the break. ten years now after the 9/11 terror attacks. rea real-time recordings are posted by "the new york times." >> they are hard to listen to and give you chills. you might find them sdrushing. we hear from a flight attendant on flight 11 speaker to agents on the air phone in the back of the hijacked plane. >> we can't get up to business class. nobody can breathe. our number one is stabbed right now. and who else? and our number five. first class passengers -- first class gallery flight attendant and our purser has been stabbed and we can't get the cockpit the door open. >> it crashed into the world trade center. >> here is mouhamed atta telling everyone on board flight 11 to keep silent. >> is that american 11 trying to call? >> we have some planes. just stay quiet and we'll be ok. we returning to the airport. >> who is trying to call me here? american 11, are you trying to call? >> nobody move! everything okay. if you try to make any moves, you will injure yourself and the airplane. just stay quiet. >> how do you explain that to anyone? but especially children. ? when the twin tours fell ten years ago, everybody wondered what to tell their kids. educators today in new jersey, they face the same challenge. >> because this is a part of history and everyday life every year at this time but more often in parts of our lives. in new jersey, they released a new set of guidelines that add terror attacks to the k through 12 curriculum. >> what any did is they didn't want to design one formal sort of class. they issued guidelines for all grades, k through 12 on how teachers could best incorporate the less ons of 9/11 and how you teach it. from the young ages you talk about bullying up to analyzing what is terrorism. really the creators of this wanted to give this whole thing context. they thought they wanted context, perspective, helping children understand really the terrorism and violence has been around for generations, while it is scary, it is not just an american problem, it is a global problem. >> ask about the day the towers fell and isabel a fernandez, who was seven years old at the time, will tell you about the dust. the airplane parts in the family's living room and most especially the holes. >> had a friend who lived in tribeca. she said, the plane went through and there's holes on each side from either tower. i went through the day with this image of the two towers with holes on both sides. >> now 17 and a senior at a new jersey all girls prep school, fernandez is experiencing 9/11 in a new way. >> what does a terrorist look like? >> reporter: as part of history, she's studying it in class. in the context of global security and terrorism. >> it's important not only to look at the event, but to understand the history and the consequences. >> reporter: though 9/11 is increasingly taught in schools, new jersey's 9/11 curriculum is the first known to be sanctioned by a state education department for grades kindergarten through 12. with more than 100 possible lesson plans on the subject, younger kids may learn about bullying and power. while older ones study topics like the allure of terrorism, its history, grieving and also remembering. >> how stereotype in general is a negative. >> reporter: it was developed by educators like edda petraeus. >> how can we make this world a better place that future generations can live in peace? that was a major request coming out of the families of 9/11 had they asked us to write this curriculum. >> reporter: 9/11 widow, maryellen, one of the leaders behind it, knew the time was right. >> these pictures mark a moment in time. they are exactly the age my children were when on 2001 when their dad was killed. >> reporter: for her, life after has been a process. figuring out ways to explain to her three growing children a little more each year. >> in the beginning was as simple as something really bad happened in new york city, and your dad died, he's not coming home. >> reporter: two years ago, with her eldest son heading to high school, she showed her kids video of the attacks. >> hold on just a moment. we have an explosion inside -- >> it was hard for them to see it for the first time. >> you don't think of it as history. you don't think of it as something that happened in the world. you think of it as something that happened directly to you. >> reporter: and that is exactly the mindset salamoan is trying to change. >> it's a much bigger global issue that has been in history and affected lots and lots of families, not just us. >> timothy mcveigh. >> anders breivik. >> terror isn't 9/11. that's what we've grown up as far as terrorism is concerned. but that's not what it's about. >> reporter: learning it in the hopes of trying to to prevent it. we hope the children can process the violent attack. in the high school class, students were asked to draw what a terrorist looks like. no one drew the norwegian gunman and he killed 35 people up in norway. the girls were surprised their breakdown was on their own personal 9/11 experience. the curriculum hopes to open it up and make them understand what happened in norway is affecting families there just as what happened here is affecting people here. so it's understanding terrorism, to be able to recognize it and to be able to identify it and to be able to say this is not acceptable. >> i wonder how many school systems teach about -- i mean, have classes about 9/11? >> they are starting. they are starting. religion classes, literature classes, social studies classes. it's now really part of the experience but teaching it in the right way. even my kids, when they ask me, what is 9/11? what is ground zero? it's very tricky. i'm not sure how much i want to tell them because i don't want to scare them but they will soon learn and it's best it be done in a safe way. >> you can always ask your kids what they know. you might be surprised that they know something that is not quite right, you snow ask them. point blank, ask them. what do you know about this and do you have any questions about this for me? because that is important. >> the dialogue always has to start with the parent. if you rely on the friends to tell them. >> like everything. >> if you're willing to fill in the vacuum, you can fill it in. >> i'm lucky i don't have kids because i can say go ask your mom. >> this sunday, we bring your our special coverage at 8:00 a.m. eastern here on cnn. we are following breaking news this morning out of germany. police say they have arrested two men for plotting a possible attack. according to police, a 24-year-old of lebanese descent and 28-year-old man from gaza tried to buy chemicals that be used to make a bomb. police do not believe the two had a specific target yet. the search for moammar gadhafi, council telling the libyan leader is surrounded but won't say where. a message is airing that he is still in libya and nato will be defeated. fashion designer john gal lee an know found guilty of making anti-semitic comments to three people in a paris cafe and fined 6,000 euros but not have to serve prison time. the topic for conversation for days. the president delivers tonight speaking to a joint session of congress, he will lay out his plan to boost the economy and create jobs and expected to include spending on roads and bridges, as well as tax cuts, but does it go far enough? joining me now to you take about this is the president of the afl-cio. good morning. >> thanks for having me on today, carol. >> thank you for coming on "american morning." you met with the president. you talked with the president face-to-face. did you suggest anything about tone to the president for tonight's speech? >> you know, look. i think american working people want to know that the president is going to go to the mat for policies that are going to help working people and put 25 million people back to work. i think they want him to be a leader in that effect. they want him to be bold. they want him to be aggressive and they want to know that he is on their side and he will fight hard to put them back to work. so i suggested that and several other things as well. >> i'm sure you did. the president says that included in this plan, he has actually written legislation he is going to present to congress. but he says in this plan, there will be things that republicans like. is there a fear in your mind that the president might go too far in trying to please republicans? >> well, i hope he doesn't do that. i hope he doesn't do just what he thinks they will pass. i hope he looks at the problem and says, this is what will solve the problem. we have urged him to do that. i think that is the solution that is needed. that is what the american public wants and, quite frankly, i think this is one of those times in history where history will judge him and the other politicians out there on what role they take on job creation and whether they actually focus all their efforts on it or not. >> and i should ask you this too. do you believe that it is necessary to put some things in that plan that republicans will like? >> well, you would like to think that this isn't a republican or a democrat or an independent issue. you would like to say, here's is the problem. 25 million americans are out of work. this is what it will take to get them back to work. now, of course, that is not what we have seen. all kind of political games and brinksmanship being played for political reasons that are putting the american people and our economy behind us. this is a time when democrats and republicans need to come together and say this is what is best for the country. let's put 25 million people back to work that will save our economy, that will help this country, it will reduce and/or eliminate the fef sdeficit and everybody lives happy ever happen if that happens. >> a lot of people say it doesn't exist. you want to talk about jim hoffa? president of the teamsters, i'm sure you've heard he is taking heat for the comments he made earlier this week. >> president obama, we want one thing -- jobs, jobs, jobs! everybody here has got a vote. if we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let's take these son of a bitches out and bring america back to america where we belong! >> not exactly conciliatory terms. give me your thoughts on this. did jim hoffa go too far? >> look. i think this is a tempest in a teapot. the real issue here is jobs creation and instead of saying what policies will create jobs. i think that is the distraction. you know, maybe i wouldn't have used the words, but i can tell you he sort of is expressing what millions of americans think out there, their frustration that people that stand in the way of job creation for their own political reasons really are frustrated people. look what representative mike ka did. he shut down the faa and put 90,000 people out of work for a couple of weeks. finally, came to his senses and said, okay, i'll agree. these are things that were done without thought like raising the debt limit. done dozens of time in the past and now every time something comes up, it becomes a political crisis. that is nonsense and people are frustrated over that. they are not creating jobs to put them back to work. and so they think the same thing he said. maybe not in those words. i would have edited a few words out, but the thoughts, i think, speak for millions of americans. >> because i guess what i'm getting at, when that kind of rhetoric is used by the other side, it gives ammunition to the other side to take it one step farther and poison the minds of other people. listen to what rush limbaugh said about hoffa's comments. >> what is this when is obama going to repudiate hoffa? obama wrote it for hoffa! who the hell do you think is inspiring these sons of a bitches anyway? quote/unquote! >> you were laughing before i played that sound bite. so i'm just going to say, take it away! >> i mean, look. that is what he does for a living. he's an entertainer. he's insidary. of all people to be talking about reconciliation, rush limbaugh? come on. cut me a break. the guy is insidary every day and the truth never gets in his way. that is not what happens but look at the actions they take. what civil actions? civil language would be great, but rather have civil actions. look. when you fight for no reason and you shut down the faa, that's not good. when you fight over something as simple as raising the debt limit that has been done dozens of times in the past and you threaten to shut down the government, that's not good. they need to come together to do what is right by the american people and create jobs and if they do that, i think everybody out here will support him. a little less partisanship and a little more americanism. do what is right for the country, regardless of what political advantage or disadvantage. >> we will see what happens after tonight. richard trumka, president of the afl-cio, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me on. just in to cnn. nasa's mission to the moon is delayed. we are live from cape canaveral next. carol, another window of opportunity. >> i'm not panicking yet. >> it could happen still in a few minutes. 42 minutes after the hour. are you curious about new ideas? 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isn't what the moon is made of? that is just on top. the fact is we really don't know what is beneath the surface. >> the part of lunar understanding that we don't yet have is what is inside the moon, so to really understand the moon and understand what makes it special, we need to study what is inside. >> reporter: to do that, nasa is embarking on a unique mission called grail. two space probes will fly one behind the other in identical owner bits around the moon. the gravitational tugs on the probes changes as they fly over various features, mountains, valleys, or masses hidden below the surface. it gives scientists in essence a cat scan. a lunar cat scan. that's right. imagine a cat scan of the moon. >> it provides us essentially with a picture of the lunar interior, just like you would make a picture of the inside of your body. >> reporter: it's theorized the moon was formed after a collision between the earth and another giant body. if that is the case, it will give scientists a better understanding of how the interplanets of the solar system were formed. in a first, nasa will dedicate instruments, in this case, cameras on the probes, exclusively to education. middle school students and teachers can go to the moonkam website and request a lunar surface location to be photographed. >> and i think once they begin to look at detailed images, when they go out in their backyard and look at the moon, they will look at it in a whole new way, and i think that is priceless. >> reporter: the pictures will be posted in a photo gallery on the internet. there are four cameras on each of these probes and for teachers around the world, middle school teachers, it's moonkam. so get on there and pretty soon start requesting those pictures and dr. sally ride, the first american woman in space, she's one of the principal movers behind this moonkam project. that is pretty cool. >> it is cool you can track things and get pictures of the inside of the moon. thankfully you told me it wasn't made of green cheese and now i know! >> and there is no one in there smiling at you either. hate to tell you. >> and no cow jumping over it. morning headlines coming your way next, including oscar winner reese witherspoon who was hit by a car. it's 47 minutes past the hour. . \s 4,000 unemployment claims filed last week. worse than they had forecast. right now, stock futures for the dow, nasdaq and s&p 500 trading lower ahead of the opening bell. tonight, president obama announce he intends to submit a jobs bill to congress next week that contains all of his proposals. they include nnkts and tinfrast tax cuts. you can see the debate live tonight on cnn the at 7:00 a.m. the gop candidates will debate on monday night and in an event hosted by cnn and the tea party. actress reese witherspoon said to be resting comfortable after hit by a car. the car was driven by an 84-year-old woman. the driver was cited for failing to yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk. that is the news you need to start your break. prosecution and defense in the conrad murray trial will select a jury. dr. murray was jackson's personal physician and he is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the pop star's death. >> cnn's ted rowland is live at the courthouse in los angeles. you got to think this is a difficult process. >> reporter: absolutely. today, the first of three groups of 180 potential jurors are coming to the courthouse. a lot of them will get out of this because it's a four to six-week trial and dismissed on hardship. the ones left over today and tomorrow and monday will then be given a 30 plus page questionnaire to fill out and that is just the beginning of this very long process. ♪ >> reporter: what is your opinion of michael jackson? what is your opinion of dr. conrad murray? the physician accused in his death. >> i'm an innocent man. >> reporter: those are among the questions jurors will be asked to a lengthy questionnaire today as the involuntary manslaughter case kicks off. but legal experts say the questionnaire alone won't be the only way the perspective jurors at such a high profile case will get screened. >> you make an effort to find out whatever information you can about jurors. >> reporter: that may conjure up images like this from the movie "run-away jury" where background checks are done on jurors including surveillance. >> a card carrying member of the sierra club and registered democrat. >> reporter: i think that is safe to say that a little bit of hollywood embellishment. >> reporter: since jurors in a majority of cases are pulled from voter roles that is where he starts his screening process. >> i personally make it a practice to know what the voter registration is of every juror on a case i may try. republicans tend to be more law and order and tend to favor prosecution. democrats may tend to side with defendants. >> reporter: jury consultant richard gabriel has been advising forns for 25 years like o.j. simpson and casey anthony under his belt. he says screening jurors today is easier because of how much people share on the internet. >> on facebook, do a google search, if they have a twitter account. it can give you a little bit more about how they interact with the rest of the world and not just in a formalized courtroom setting. that is helpful. >> reporter: more important, attorneys can find out if perspective jurors have already posted opinions about the case at hand. thomas meseriuus secured an acquittal in the michael jackson case. >> they will try to find out whatever they can about the jurors. >> reporter: especially to uncover the stealth jurors who seem to provide all of the right answers at the courthouse but have a hidden agenda which might include trying to grab the spotlight for themselves after a verdict. the defense in this case wanted the jury to be sequestered but they are losing that argument. they say that there's so much media covering this that it would poison the jury even after they have been seated and that their client conrad murray won't get a fair trial but, at this point, the jury will be able to go home at night. opening statements in this case begin september 27th and the entire trial will be televised. guys? 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